From Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 14:15:57 2003 From: Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Busting the Spam Buster ... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:16:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0305436804327124392==" --===============0305436804327124392== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... Ted. EXCERPT: ======================================================= From: Agnes McMullin Subject: Greetings SIZE AND STAMINA DO MATTER
More Than You Can Possibly Imagine!!
She is just trying to spare your feelings by telling you otherwise.

DON'T WAIT UNTIL SHE IS GONE
TO FIND OUT THAT YOU COULDN'T SATISFY HER!!!

INTRODUCING, THE FIRST ALL-IN-ONE
Male Performance Enhancer AND Penis Enlargement
[etc.] ========================================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 01-Apr-03 Time: 13:16:09 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ --===============0305436804327124392==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Tue Apr 1 15:47:21 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Busting the Spam Buster ... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:48:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c2f85d$e1f545f0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6698755851964418575==" --===============6698755851964418575== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Ted Harding; > > Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. > The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) > no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... > > Ted. > > EXCERPT: > ======================================================= > From: Agnes McMullin > Subject: Greetings > > >
> SIZE AND STAMINA > DO MATTER
> More Than You Can Possibly > Imagine!!
> She is just trying to > spare your > feelings > by telling you > otherwise.
>
> DON'T WAIT UNTIL > SHE IS GONE
TO FIND OUT THAT YOU COULDN'T > SATISFY HER!!! >
>
> INTRODUCING, THE > FIRST ALL-IN-ONE
> Male Performance > Enhancer AND > Penis > Enlargement
> [etc.] > ========================================================= > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > E-Mail: (Ted Harding) > Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 > Date: 01-Apr-03 Time: 13:16:09 > ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ > That's all very well, but is what they're selling any good!!?? :o) --===============6698755851964418575==-- From Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Tue Apr 1 16:17:47 2003 From: Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [linux-users] RE: [Alug] Busting the Spam Buster ... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:18:09 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001901c2f85d$e1f545f0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2784191303927423328==" --===============2784191303927423328== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 01-Apr-03 Keith Watson wrote: >> Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. >> The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) >> no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... >> >> EXCERPT: >> ======================================================= >> >> >
>> SIZE AND STAMINA >> DO MATTER
>> More Than You Can Possibly >> Imagine!!
>> [etc.] >> ========================================================= > > That's all very well, but is what they're selling any good!!?? >:o) Interruptus at best, by the look of it ... Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 01-Apr-03 Time: 16:03:01 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ --===============2784191303927423328==-- From tmh@magenta-netlogic.com Tue Apr 1 16:18:09 2003 From: Tony Hoyle To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Re: [linux-users] Busting the Spam Buster ... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:32:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3E89AD7F.5050507@magenta-netlogic.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6113094493309317652==" --===============6113094493309317652== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Ted Harding) wrote: > Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. > The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) > no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... > > >
> SIZE AND STAMINA > DO MATTER
SA makes short work of it, though... X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 tagged_above=-10000.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, PENIS_ENLARGE2, UPPERCASE_25_50 Anything like an open relay or forged header would have pushed it over the edge into spam oblivion. Tony -- "When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." -- Buckminster Fuller --===============6113094493309317652==-- From id@nooped.com Tue Apr 1 16:33:42 2003 From: iD To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Busting the Spam Buster ... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 16:34:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030401153342.GA17447@nooped.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2192786626782169195==" --===============2192786626782169195== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 01:16:09PM -0000, Ted Harding wrote: > Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. > The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) > no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... Looks like a growing trend, every piece of spam I've received this week has had 'mangled' HTML, full of random junk comment tags. :) -- iD, id(a)nooped.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Overload -- core meltdown sequence initiated. --===============2192786626782169195==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Tue Apr 1 17:05:09 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: [linux-users] Busting the Spam Buster ... Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 17:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3E89B909.5070605@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: <3E89AD7F.5050507@magenta-netlogic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7965420207686626437==" --===============7965420207686626437== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tony Hoyle wrote: > (Ted Harding) wrote: >=20 >> Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. >> The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) >> no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... >> >> >> >
>> SIZE AND STAMINA >> DO MATTER
>=20 >=20 > SA makes short work of it, though... >=20 > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3D3.4 tagged_above=3D-10000.0 required=3D5.0 > tests=3DHTML_30_40, PENIS_ENLARGE2, UPPERCASE_25_50 >=20 > Anything like an open relay or forged header would have pushed it over=20 > the edge into spam oblivion. I'm running SA with amavisd, the latest versions, and I must say, it seems a = lot less effective than it was, and a lot less flexible... Maybe I need to=20 spend more time customising, but I'm getting a lot of spam breaking through, = and can't find a way to create user-specific white/black-lists/filters any mo= re. I came back from the rugby this weekend to over 500 detected spams... Cheers, Laurie. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============7965420207686626437==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Wed Apr 2 12:21:57 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Gentoo and the LSB Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:22:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3E8AC830.8050007@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4093253845916668672==" --===============4093253845916668672== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, According to the latest Gentoo newsletter, the following is happening: "In what will likely prove to be a controversial decision, Portage 2.1 will adopt the RPM format for all packages moving forward. The use of ebuilds will be deprecated in favor of the defacto RPM standard. The primary driver for this decision was to ensure compliance with the Linux Standard Base[1] specification, which mandates RPM support for package management." Further: "Additionally, because of LSB's required library support[2], the xfree86 package will move to become part of the base Gentoo Linux system, rather than an optional addition." I have *major* problems with this. Firstly, I want compiled, optimised code, not someone else's RPMd crap, and secondly, what the hell do I want xfree86 on a server for? I've been really happy with G2 for the last year, and now this... What's Debian doing in this regard? Anyone know? Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============4093253845916668672==-- From c@wizball.co.uk Wed Apr 2 12:29:30 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Gentoo and the LSB Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:36:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030402112928.GA7374@cablaptop.mth.uea.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3E8AC830.8050007@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0793627494771835902==" --===============0793627494771835902== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 12:23:28PM +0100, Laurie Brown wrote: OH NO. (yeah right). -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============0793627494771835902==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Wed Apr 2 12:31:06 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Gentoo and the LSB Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:32:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3E8ACA54.6010809@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: <3E8AC830.8050007@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5411939091341443091==" --===============5411939091341443091== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurie Brown wrote: > Folks, > > According to the latest Gentoo newsletter, the following is happening: [SNIP] Heart attack over! I received this today from a "friend". Had I received it yesterday, I'd've realised... Nice one, the Gentoo Development team! Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============5411939091341443091==-- From mail@johnwoodard.co.uk Wed Apr 2 14:31:40 2003 From: John Woodard To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Gentoo and the LSB Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:32:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304021434.27242.mail@johnwoodard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3E8AC830.8050007@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2053181427304608405==" --===============2053181427304608405== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday 02 Apr 2003 12:23 pm, Laurie Brown wrote: > Folks, > > According to the latest Gentoo newsletter, the following is happening: > > "In what will likely prove to be a controversial decision, Portage 2.1 will > adopt the RPM format for all packages moving forward. The use of ebuilds > will be deprecated in favor of the defacto RPM standard. The primary > driver for this decision was to ensure compliance with the Linux Standard > Base[1] specification, which mandates RPM support for package management." > > Further: > > "Additionally, because of LSB's required library support[2], the xfree86 > package will move to become part of the base Gentoo Linux system, rather > than an optional addition." > > I have *major* problems with this. Firstly, I want compiled, optimised > code, not someone else's RPMd crap, and secondly, what the hell do I want > xfree86 on a server for? I've been really happy with G2 for the last year, > and now this... > > What's Debian doing in this regard? Anyone know? > > Cheers, Laurie. Do the words spagetti and tree have any meaning to you Laurie? Check the date of the newsletter. :-) Cheers, BJ --===============2053181427304608405==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Wed Apr 2 14:50:36 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Gentoo and the LSB Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:51:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3E8AEAFF.1070306@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: <200304021434.27242.mail@johnwoodard.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9026663013509118521==" --===============9026663013509118521== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Woodard wrote: [SNIP] > > Do the words spagetti and tree have any meaning to you Laurie? > > Check the date of the newsletter. :-) Yeah, I know, but I got the snippet out of context! Who needs friends... Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============9026663013509118521==-- From uknutter@graffiti.net Wed Apr 2 15:43:23 2003 From: NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] meetings Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:44:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030402144226.28846.qmail@graffiti.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4906873802132936533==" --===============4906873802132936533== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye that seems like a good idea to me dont you need a certain amount of UEA st= udents to do it(15?)? If it is too late just do it next year(Sep or October o= r whenever you go back). Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? Dennis Dryden ----- Original Message ----- From: Kamel Saadi Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:40:02 +0000=20 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] meetings > Hi, >=20 > I think as a UEA student I can create a linux society, I don't know=20 > whether it is late or not but I will ask and find out, this way we can=20 > have regular meetings. If you think it is a good please let me know. >=20 > Regards. >=20 > Kamel. --=20 _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze --===============4906873802132936533==-- From adam@Drakken.com Wed Apr 2 15:50:09 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Alug site was RE: [Alug] meetings Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:51:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF910683C@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2903811735388834962==" --===============2903811735388834962== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? > > Dennis Dryden Ummm, oh dear, php4 hosting were hosting it but if you read here http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/update.php that would explain the sites current status. Adam --===============2903811735388834962==-- From mail@johnwoodard.co.uk Wed Apr 2 17:21:46 2003 From: John Woodard To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: Alug site was RE: [Alug] meetings Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:22:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304021724.34421.mail@johnwoodard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF910683C@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6770363834286563135==" --===============6770363834286563135== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday 02 Apr 2003 3:49 pm, Adam Bower wrote: > > Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? > > > > Dennis Dryden > > Ummm, oh dear, php4 hosting were hosting it but if you read here > http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/update.php that would explain the sites > current status. I think MJR was dealing with this on Monday night. Now where did you put tha= t=20 recent backup Mark? :-) Cheers, BJ --===============6770363834286563135==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 2 17:59:51 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: Alug site was RE: [Alug] meetings Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:00:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF910683C@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5700872571568560586==" --===============5700872571568560586== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Bower wrote: > Ummm, oh dear, php4 hosting were hosting it but if you read here > http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/update.php that would explain the sites current > status. Cool. I'd not seen that. I have some backups and am rebuilding the site (and adding a few gratuitous fixes). Once it's back, I'll post mirroring instructions so we don't get caught like this again. Then maybe we should look at introducing some more anarchy. MJR --===============5700872571568560586==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 3 10:39:12 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Allow to sell? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030403093906.GD13586@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6176368189735319439==" --===============6176368189735319439== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to sell! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============6176368189735319439==-- From Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Thu Apr 3 10:53:37 2003 From: Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Allow to sell? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7157077629044544236==" --===============7157077629044544236== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig wrote: >Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few >hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just >want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to >sell! 's'ok by me - I'm interested. Can't speak for list protocol though. Jen --===============7157077629044544236==-- From adam@Drakken.com Thu Apr 3 11:31:10 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Allow to sell? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:32:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106842@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7431114687655431735==" --===============7431114687655431735== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [mailto:craig(a)wizball.co.uk] > Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few > hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just > want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to > sell! Ummm, we did have an FAQ on this... I can't remember what it was though and as the site is still half down its a bit hard to tell you :) Anyhow I think it was along the lines of "selling stuff is fine but it must be GNU/Linux related or hardware must be compatible with GNU/Linux (or free software) and put ADV or advert in your subject line and make sure it is obvious that you are selling stuff." Don't send it more than once either, if you do then I will boil or barbecue you depending on what my mood is at the time :) Adam --===============7431114687655431735==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Thu Apr 3 11:41:09 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Allow to sell? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:42:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2f9cd$d157f690$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: <20030403093906.GD13586@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6159494712476445466==" --===============6159494712476445466== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Craig >=20 > Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few > hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just > want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to > sell! >=20 Sounds good to me. Watcher got? In a similar vein, I'm on the lookout for a 2nd hand inkjet printer with a pa= rallel I/F. Anyone got one going spare? Keith=20 ____________ 'Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less travelled by, and = that has made all the difference.' - Robert Frost --===============6159494712476445466==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 3 11:43:17 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Allow to sell? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:44:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030403104311.GE13586@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106842@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8713476914185811822==" --===============8713476914185811822== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:30:22AM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > Anyhow I think it was along the lines of "selling stuff is fine but it must > be GNU/Linux related or hardware must be compatible with GNU/Linux (or free > software) and put ADV or advert in your subject line and make sure it is > obvious that you are selling stuff." Don't send it more than once either, if > you do then I will boil or barbecue you depending on what my mood is at the > time :) Heh thanks for this. I will send one email per item yeah? ;) As far as I know.. all the hardwares I am selling off are compatible with GNU/Linux :) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============8713476914185811822==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 3 13:31:27 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Allow to sell? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:32:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030403104311.GE13586@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1056916096978152824==" --===============1056916096978152824== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Craig wrote: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:30:22AM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: >> obvious that you are selling stuff." Don't send it more than once either, = if >> you do then I will boil or barbecue you depending on what my mood is at the >> time :) > Heh thanks for this. I will send one email per item yeah? ;) As far as I Want to borrow some charcoal, Adam? --===============1056916096978152824==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Thu Apr 3 14:19:35 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 14:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c2f9e3$f39adc20$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3944630500841490157==" --===============3944630500841490157== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=3D03/04/02/201255 Augustus writes "LinuxHardware.org just published a review looking at NVIDIA's latest driver. "Monday, NVIDIA took the next step in their strive to own the Linux video market with the release of their 1.0-4349 drivers. These drivers represent a first in the Linux driver market, a utility that not only installs the drivers on any distribution, but also keeps the driver up-to-date. We now take a look at this new utility and the drivers themselves. ...=20 anyone tried the new NVIDIA driver installer yet? Keith ____________ 'I always use the word impossible with the greatest caution.' - Wernher Von = Braun --===============3944630500841490157==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 3 15:10:26 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:11:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030403141019.GG13586@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <000501c2f9e3$f39adc20$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7356506294696684410==" --===============7356506294696684410== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:21:34PM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/04/02/201255 > > Augustus writes "LinuxHardware.org just published a review looking at > NVIDIA's latest driver. "Monday, NVIDIA took the next step in their > strive to own the Linux video market with the release of their 1.0-4349 > drivers. These drivers represent a first in the Linux driver market, a > utility that not only installs the drivers on any distribution, but > also keeps the driver up-to-date. We now take a look at this new > utility and the drivers themselves. ... > > anyone tried the new NVIDIA driver installer yet? Seeing it is there in gentoo.. I am going to test it out right now on this laptop :) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============7356506294696684410==-- From adam@Drakken.com Thu Apr 3 15:17:49 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 15:18:01 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106846@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9079536934605620220==" --===============9079536934605620220== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Seeing it is there in gentoo.. I am going to test it out right now on > this laptop :) Is this a precursor to "For Sale - 1 used laptop, works well except screen or graphics card broken, has nvidia chipset....." ;) Adam --===============9079536934605620220==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 3 16:36:51 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:37:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000501c2f9e3$f39adc20$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0101637429374214799==" --===============0101637429374214799== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Watson wrote: > NVIDIA's latest driver. "Monday, NVIDIA took the next step in their > strive to own the Linux video market with the release of their 1.0-4349 I think they meant 0wn. Auto-updating binary-only drivers. Do they have good security in place, or is the "mass nvidia driver users' blowout" only a download site exploit away, I wonder. I'll stick with the XFree86's own nv drivers on the box here that has their chips until I replace that hardware. -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. --===============0101637429374214799==-- From adam@Drakken.com Thu Apr 3 16:48:37 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:49:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106849@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5955075181434266211==" --===============5955075181434266211== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > I think they meant 0wn. Auto-updating binary-only drivers. > Do they have > good security in place, or is the "mass nvidia driver users' > blowout" only > a download site exploit away, I wonder. Ummm, from what I read the utility they provide "auto-updates" by you having to run it, no different from using apt-get really. > I'll stick with the XFree86's own nv drivers on the box here that has > their chips until I replace that hardware. You do realise that Nvidia wrote that support (definetly parts of it, they do have there own "special" license mentioned in the XFree86 distribution) in XFree86? and out of interest which of the GFX manufacturers warez would you seek to procure in their place? AFAICT there are no GFX card manufacturers out there who provide full real free software support for their products :( Adam --===============5955075181434266211==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 3 16:55:04 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:56:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030403155455.GA3370@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106846@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8715284966839646433==" --===============8715284966839646433== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 03:17:01PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > Is this a precursor to > > "For Sale - 1 used laptop, works well except screen or graphics card broken, > has nvidia chipset....." > > ;) Darn! Heh. Okay, I just installed it a while ago and I am impressed. Glxgears FPS just leapt from 1500+ fps to 1800+ fps. Decent improvement. No doubt that quake 3 etc will have a noticeable speedup! Only a emerge ebuild away ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============8715284966839646433==-- From S.Jude@uea.ac.uk Thu Apr 3 17:07:45 2003 From: Simon Jude To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:08:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106849@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5481497305934929319==" --===============5481497305934929319== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Adam Bower wrote: > You do realise that Nvidia wrote that support (definetly parts of it, they > do have there own "special" license mentioned in the XFree86 distribution) > in XFree86? and out of interest which of the GFX manufacturers warez would > you seek to procure in their place? AFAICT there are no GFX card > manufacturers out there who provide full real free software support for > their products :( > One the subject of Nvidia graphics cards and drivers, here at work we are in the process of purchasing a new VR lab. One of the PC image generator systems we have been shown is basically a cluster of PCs that does parallel rendering and uses Nvidia GeForce 4 cards with one or two tweeks of the chips and drivers...Now for the amusing bit...for these tweeks to what are basically fairly standard PCs we have been quoted 100K for one system and 140K for a one with more rendering power. I think I am in the wrong business!!! Oh and as for support...we were quoted 20K per year for this system!!! ;-) Simon --===============5481497305934929319==-- From adam@Drakken.com Thu Apr 3 17:25:51 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:26:01 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF910684A@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3737040901258688280==" --===============3737040901258688280== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Jude [mailto:S.Jude(a)uea.ac.uk] > One the subject of Nvidia graphics cards and drivers, here at > work we are > in the process of purchasing a new VR lab. One of the PC > image generator > systems we have been shown is basically a cluster of PCs that does > parallel rendering and uses Nvidia GeForce 4 cards with one > or two tweeks > of the chips and drivers...Now for the amusing bit...for > these tweeks to > what are basically fairly standard PCs we have been quoted > 100K for one > system and 140K for a one with more rendering power. I think > I am in the > wrong business!!! But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without support! > > Oh and as for support...we were quoted 20K per year for this > system!!! ;-) Commercial support isn't cheap though, 20k per year is less than the cost of 1 fairly well trained monkey... Again if it was SGI you would probably be paying about 10x as much (I won't dare compare SGI with monkeys, one of the two would get very offended) Adam --===============3737040901258688280==-- From S.Jude@uea.ac.uk Thu Apr 3 17:56:20 2003 From: Simon Jude To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2815283493985087957==" --===============2815283493985087957== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Adam Bower wrote: > > But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) > systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had > given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million > quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without > support! > Yep! Exactly the original plan from about 5 years ago was for an SGI at about 400K. Evidently they quoted 1 million plus for a system for one uni and another company wheeled in a couple of PC image generators that had better performance!! We recently saw an SGI Onyx system down at BP research which wasn't too impressive!! Sorry to go a bit off topic!!! --===============2815283493985087957==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Fri Apr 4 00:08:16 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Advert! Hardwares To Go! Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 00:09:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030403230813.GA8210@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7610936544105091161==" --===============7610936544105091161== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Okay, here we go: Hitachi GD-7500 DVD-ROm 4X = �15 Liteon CDRW 32x12x40x = �20 Unbranded 4x4x24x CDRW(!) = �10 2x 256mb PC133 = �25 each 10 gig Matrox hdd = �20 41.1gig IBM 5400RPM hdd = �50 Geforce 3 ti200 DDR 64mb AGP = �45 Geforce 2mx 32mb AGP = �20 Matrox 4mb Mytisque PCI = �5 Creative Soundblaster AWE64 ISA = �5 Duron 800mhz (Including Heatsink) + Chaintech CT-7AJA2 (onboard cmedia 8738) + ATX Mini-Tower Case + MS Intellimouse Explorer 2 button optical PS2/USB = �100 AMD K2(?) 350Mhz + VA-503+ mobo + AT Full Tower case + AT keyboard. �60 17" Hansol 710P monitor = �80 TV card (Bt848AKPF as it says on the chipset) PCI = �10 Let me know if you are interested to buy them. Also, spread the word if you know someone looking for some hardwares as well. Just anything to get them off my hands for them to be in use rather than collecting dust! And yes, they all work under GNU/Linux ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============7610936544105091161==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Fri Apr 4 09:44:50 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 09:45:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2fa86$b738a660$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5243742235699713171==" --===============5243742235699713171== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Installed the latest Nvidia drivers last night, very slick, but, as someone s= aid, no better than a Debian or RPM package with a couple of extra bells and whistles. I think the main thing is the implicit r= ecognition that GNU/Linux is an important enough user base for them to provide this. OK, the real point of this is that after the install I was reviewing the sta= rt-up log and noticed a message saying I had 16 x 4Mb RAM disks. Presumably this was a default kernel option as I haven't knowingl= y created these. Question is, is this just a capability or is there an actual 64M RAM overhead associated with this? Do I need any RAM disks? Keith ____________ TWICE, adv. Once too often. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary --===============5243742235699713171==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Fri Apr 4 10:06:31 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:07:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030404090627.GA19378@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <001001c2fa86$b738a660$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1457349811333148962==" --===============1457349811333148962== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 09:46:42AM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > OK, the real point of this is that after the install I was reviewing the > start-up log and noticed a message saying I had 16 x 4Mb RAM disks. > Presumably this was a default kernel option as I haven't knowingly created > these. > > Question is, is this just a capability or is there an actual 64M RAM > overhead associated with this? Where about is this start-up log? I have never come across this at all since gentoo do all the work for me (they extracted the file from the installer and put it in a nice tarball file). -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============1457349811333148962==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Fri Apr 4 10:39:18 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c2fa8e$59951e00$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: <20030404090627.GA19378@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3332579869988834799==" --===============3332579869988834799== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Craig > On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 09:46:42AM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > > > > OK, the real point of this is that after the install I was reviewing the > > start-up log and noticed a message saying I had 16 x 4Mb RAM disks. > > Presumably this was a default kernel option as I haven't knowingly creat= ed > > these. > > > > Question is, is this just a capability or is there an actual 64M RAM > > overhead associated with this? > > Where about is this start-up log? I have never come across this at all > since gentoo do all the work for me (they extracted the file from the > installer and put it in a nice tarball file). > Well, in Debian ( :o) it's Ctrl+Alt+F9 to get the console messages, then hit = Escape so you can scroll back, but isn't there a copy in /var/log somewhere? Keith ____________ I have just three things to teach: simplicity, patience, compassion. These th= ree are your greatest treasures. Lao-Tzu --===============3332579869988834799==-- From tristan@pc-seller.com Fri Apr 4 14:54:05 2003 From: Tristan Scott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: <008901c2fab1$c3c331e0$0300a8c0@Host> In-Reply-To: <001301c2fa8e$59951e00$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7586554888884843190==" --===============7586554888884843190== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable type dmesg at a console Tristan Scott Computer Engineer PC-Seller PLC 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Watson" To: "'ALUG'" Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: RE: [Alug] RAM Disks > > From: Craig > > On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 09:46:42AM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > > > > > > OK, the real point of this is that after the install I was reviewing t= he > > > start-up log and noticed a message saying I had 16 x 4Mb RAM disks. > > > Presumably this was a default kernel option as I haven't knowingly created > > > these. > > > > > > Question is, is this just a capability or is there an actual 64M RAM > > > overhead associated with this? > > > > Where about is this start-up log? I have never come across this at all > > since gentoo do all the work for me (they extracted the file from the > > installer and put it in a nice tarball file). > > > > Well, in Debian ( :o) it's Ctrl+Alt+F9 to get the console messages, then hit Escape so you can scroll back, but isn't there a copy > in /var/log somewhere? > > Keith > ____________ > I have just three things to teach: simplicity, patience, compassion. These three are your greatest treasures. Lao-Tzu > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > --===============7586554888884843190==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Fri Apr 4 15:02:34 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:03:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c2fab3$203290f0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: <008901c2fab1$c3c331e0$0300a8c0@Host> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6469710685006658886==" --===============6469710685006658886== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Tristan Scott >=20 > type dmesg at a console >=20 Dooh!!! But what about my original question? Keith ____________ PIRATE, n. A politician on the high-seas. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictio= nary --===============6469710685006658886==-- From fozzy@pelvoux.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 5 23:16:02 2003 From: Steve Fosdick To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Fw: Kernel Symbol and Sysmap Trouble Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 23:17:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030405231612.395c6169.fozzy@pelvoux.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2020872496855620699==" --===============2020872496855620699== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are an interesting couple of problems I am having with kernel symbols I am hoping someone may be able to help me with. 1. Symbol Not Found. Having selected basic ATM and IP over ATM to be built into the kernel and PPPoA to be built as a module and building and installing both kernel and modules, when I try to install the pppoatm module I get an unresolved symbol error for pppoatm_ioctl_hook. Having checked the source pppoatm_ioctl_hook is defined in net/atm/common.c like this: #if defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM) || defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM_MODULE) int (*pppoatm_ioctl_hook)(struct atm_vcc *, unsigned int, unsigned long); EXPORT_SYMBOL(pppoatm_ioctl_hook); #endif As my .config file contains: CONFIG_PPPOATM=m I would expect the symbol to be defined and if I run 'nm' on common.o I find the line: 00000000 B pppoatm_ioctl_hook So the symbol is definitely there. Is the B for BSS segment and is that why it isn't found? If I select pppoatm to be built into the kernel the symbol is resolved correctly. 2. System.map does not match kernel data. After building a kernel and installing it, running LILO and installing the modules, sometimes I get errors about System.map not matching the kernel data. The last example is having build pppoatm into the kernel and I got the following errors during startup: {pppoatm_ioctl_hook} {pppoatm_ioctl_hook_R__ver_pppoatm_ioctl_hook} /boot/System.map-2.4.20 does not match kernel data On a machine at work I often get a similar warning about the System.map not matching kernel data when running the ps command though when the machine is first booted this problem rarely happens, it only appears after some time. Any guesses? Steve. --===============2020872496855620699==-- From neill@entora.co.uk Mon Apr 7 06:00:11 2003 From: Neill Newman To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 06:01:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4751379705512642311==" --===============4751379705512642311== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!) --===============4751379705512642311==-- From trs@scott998.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 7 09:01:46 2003 From: Tristan To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c2fcdc$0d8f6060$0300a8c0@Host> In-Reply-To: <001501c2fab3$203290f0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3724764097730867901==" --===============3724764097730867901== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so how much ram are you using after booting? kill X server (Ctrl-alt-backspace) and check ram use top or free will give you use of ram. basically, theres the old ram disk (static allocation) and the new type, which expands as you use it. gotta go. Tristan Scott Computer Engineer PC-Seller PLC 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Watson" To: "'Alug List'" Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: RE: [Alug] RAM Disks > > From: Tristan Scott > > > > type dmesg at a console > > > > Dooh!!! > > But what about my original question? > > Keith > ____________ > PIRATE, n. A politician on the high-seas. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > --===============3724764097730867901==-- From xs@kittenz.org Mon Apr 7 10:53:26 2003 From: xs@kittenz.org To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 10:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030407094613.GA25033@meltdown> In-Reply-To: <001001c2fa86$b738a660$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1792120027604813902==" --===============1792120027604813902== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 09:46:42AM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > OK, the real point of this is that after the install I was > reviewing the start-up log and noticed a message saying I had 16 x 4Mb > RAM disks. Presumably this was a default kernel option as I > haven't knowingly created these. Question is, is this just a > capability or is there an actual 64M RAM overhead associated with > this? These are just capabilities. > Do I need any RAM disks? They are very fast, and their contents easily removed. This makes them good filesystems for /tmp. --===============1792120027604813902==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 7 17:43:26 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:44:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5305565312323532754==" --===============5305565312323532754== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neill Newman wrote: > there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. > > The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the > #alug channel. Is everyone OK to make this? I'm going to try to get the web site back up and running between about 7pm and midnight, so I'll probably be firing information bullets, help request bombs, etc, off in all directions if you're around. I'm sure that people will be asking other questions and for help with the ALUG Library too ;-) That reminds me. Who do I return this library book to now? MJR --===============5305565312323532754==-- From wildduck_zaseuk@yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 7 17:56:48 2003 From: Kirsten Naylor To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030407165640.97331.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2978025111014839968==" --===============2978025111014839968== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- MJ Ray wrote:=20 > That reminds me. Who do I return this library book > to now? Jenny, or Adam, or indeed myself :) /Kirsty =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "If I were a penguin, and this were my pile of rocks, I'd be virtually irresi= stible." __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer --===============2978025111014839968==-- From Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Tue Apr 8 15:20:30 2003 From: Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] past meetings Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:21:01 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2780418988816843410==" --===============2780418988816843410== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a tricky one, but can all members who have hosted a meeting over the last two years (since Nov 2001) try and remember the date, venue and a very rough overview of who turned up and what took place? Send to me off list. Ta Jen --===============2780418988816843410==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 9 18:49:58 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Attention web editors and any others Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:50:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5963042330053798325==" --===============5963042330053798325== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that the Makefile seems to be working, I've uploaded another copy of the ALUG website source to http://www.alug.org.uk/alug-web-20030409.tar.gz Feel free to download it. You probably need GNU shellutils and textutils, but most distributions install them by default. To actually build a copy of the site, you'll need xsltproc from libxslt. Could anyone who has their name as the author of a page please either check/update it and then run "make patch", or tell me that they no longer wish to own that page. Anyone who wants to add a page to the web site, please let me know. We probably should move any mature pages out of the wiki and into the main site. My next tasks are: update the layout files; check and update my own pages, the same as everyone else does; make sure all pages have someone looking after them. The owners that I have listed are: ./articles/2001a/lpr2fax.xml: MJ Ray ./articles/2001a/meeting20011.xml: BJ ./articles/2001a/linuxday.xml: MJR ./articles/2001a/meeting20012.xml: BJ ./articles/2001a/ircnames.xml: Jenny Hopkins ./articles/2001a/alugfaq.xml: Current maintainer Adam Bower ./articles/2001a/venuereq.xml: Adam Bower ./articles/2001a/promoart.xml: MJR ./articles/2001a/bestmeat.xml: Alexis Lee ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: Jenny Hopkins ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: Alexis Lee ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: Jenny Hopkins ./background/contacts.xml: MJ Ray ./background/submissions.xml: ALUG Webmaster ./background/cvs-access.xml: MJ Ray ./background/xml-formats.xml: MJ Ray ./background/jobs.xml: Alexis Lee -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. --===============5963042330053798325==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 9 21:12:24 2003 From: BenEBoy To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] strange window maximising question Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304092122.12993.mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4546983573757678228==" --===============4546983573757678228== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Evening all, I don't suppose anyone knows of a way to control the way a window maximises i= n=20 X (using fluxbox to be precise)? I'm trying to find a way to make sure no=20 windows obscures gkrellm on my desktop when maximised, so I can keep an eye=20 on my new mail indicator (amongst other things). Conversely, I don't really=20 want gkrellm to obscure other windows either. The man pages etc. didn't mention anything about this so I'm guessing it woul= d=20 involve hacking the X/fluxbox code. I thought I'd just check with you lot=20 first, just in case theres a head slappingly simple solution ;-) Cheers, BenE --===============4546983573757678228==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 9 22:23:35 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] strange window maximising question Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:24:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304092122.12993.mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4364703589764370254==" --===============4364703589764370254== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BenEBoy wrote: > X (using fluxbox to be precise)? I'm trying to find a way to make sure no > windows obscures gkrellm on my desktop when maximised [...] Unless you can tell gkrellm to set the "do not cover" or "panel" hints (hopefully Brett can remember the proper names for them, or you can look them up in the Extended Window Manager Hints), I'm not sure that this can be done. It couldn't the last time I used gkrellm, so I switched to using a hacked-over copy of clock from lwm's author to display needed data when the mouse hits the corner. Again, that assumes that fluxbox supports EWMH, but it probably does. Most window managers do now. Even mine has a go. -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. --===============4364703589764370254==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 10 01:47:50 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:48:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c2f4e4$e3872180$1e01a8c0@noahsark.th3zu6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6625944301080674113==" --===============6625944301080674113== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Douglas wrote: > behind a Smoothwall 1.0. (Don't worry - ALUGers are usually quite tolerant > of our newbie foibles! ;-) But... but... but... but... Smoothwall! Fancy supporting the man who wanted to kill ALUG. I guess he's left that project now, but I'd still use IPcop in prefernce until they disown him. Do we have many gnomemeeting users in the group? MJR --===============6625944301080674113==-- From ben@plextech.co.uk Thu Apr 10 08:49:56 2003 From: Ben Norcutt To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:50:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2ff35$717185d0$120510ac@admin01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5151274813640560868==" --===============5151274813640560868== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry I don't know the background to this wantign to kill ALUG statement but I presume you are talking about Richard Morell well he's now resigned from the company and is pursuing other projects. IPcop, *spit*, hmm Cheers, Ben --===============5151274813640560868==-- From leagard@lycos.com Thu Apr 10 08:56:21 2003 From: lea Gardner - Dennant To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] short shpiel... Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:57:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4988681152766293273==" --===============4988681152766293273== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the reason that i am interested in linux is that i am sick of the half-assed coding, mundane, not so powerful windblows. yes it serves a purpose for some (and i certainly get a lot of stick from friends because of my penguinian persuasion), however, i find that many "tools of the trade" are already within linux/unix. i do not have to buy thirdparty stuff. many extra bits are freely d/l-able. (and when leading a "scouting mission" on a network, linux quite frankly kicks the pants off of any windblows box!) there are many many different flavours of linux to choose from too, which means in turn that maybe for a specific task, you could switch to a particular type/version that is better suited to the task in hand. blah blah...(list is near endless!) ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus --===============4988681152766293273==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Thu Apr 10 09:14:33 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:15:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3E95286B.8000101@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6092056977809120641==" --===============6092056977809120641== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MJ Ray wrote: > Ian Douglas wrote: > >>behind a Smoothwall 1.0. (Don't worry - ALUGers are usually quite tolerant >>of our newbie foibles! ;-) > > > But... but... but... but... Smoothwall! Fancy supporting the man who > wanted to kill ALUG. I guess he's left that project now, but I'd still > use IPcop in prefernce until they disown him. I understand shorewall (http://www.shorewall.net)is pretty good (there's a Gentoo package, unlike ipcop) but I've yet to play with it. Any one in ALUG used it yet? So far a handmade iptables script has done what we need, but we're managing more and more machines, meaning more and more similar but different configs, and may need to go the "package" route in the future. Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============6092056977809120641==-- From lists@andrewsavory.com Thu Apr 10 09:18:10 2003 From: Andrew Savory To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:19:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0917864848095875712==" --===============0917864848095875712== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 10 Apr 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > But... but... but... but... Smoothwall! Fancy supporting the man who > wanted to kill ALUG. Wanted to kill ALUG? Did I miss something, or is this hyperbole? Andrew. -- All views are my own .... who else would want them? --===============0917864848095875712==-- From jamie.french@talk21.com Thu Apr 10 09:43:58 2003 From: jamie.french@talk21.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:44:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030410084308.BQPS5693.wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com@wmpmtavirtual> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8836083233649134451==" --===============8836083233649134451== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know about Richard Morrells antics against ALUG, though I was on the = receiving end of vicious verbal abuse for using the GPL version of smoothwall= within their IRC channel. Basically he claimed we are a bleeders, sucking to= company dry ?? Oh well ditched them rather quickly and got myself a router,= but it was a good product which served me well. Shame it was let down by it'= s founders. Take Care, Jamie > Ian Douglas wrote: > behind a Smoothwall 1.0. (Don't worry - ALUGers are usually quite tolerant > of our newbie foibles! ;-) > >But... but... but... but... Smoothwall! Fancy supporting the man who >wanted to kill ALUG. I guess he's left that project now, but I'd still >use IPcop in prefernce until they disown him. > >Do we have many gnomemeeting users in the group? > >MJR > > > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >http://www.alug.org.uk/ >http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/l= istinfo/main >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! Best Regards, Jamie French -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21= .com --===============8836083233649134451==-- From Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Thu Apr 10 10:33:51 2003 From: Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] kernel upgrade problems Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:34:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4817606848153426250==" --===============4817606848153426250== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, list. I've been trying to upgrade my kernel for what seems like months now. It has an ancient old 2.2.18pre21 kernel, and I've been trying many times to compile 2.4.19. I've tried from a fresh confi, from the 2.2.18pre21 config, removing apm and vari0us bits and bobs. But all that happens if I try and boot into it is that it gets as far as "loading linux......................." then reboots back to the startup. 2.2.18pre21 still boots just fine from lilo. on IRC it was suggested I look in lilo.conf for lines like "initrc", I looked and there are none. I spent a while last night looking at the differences between all the files I could find relevant to the two kernels, like permissions gone wrong, missing links, but can't find any. Any ideas, anyone? It's a pretty old box now, but i didn't think backwards compatability was a problem. Thanks, Jenny --===============4817606848153426250==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 10 13:53:26 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:54:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E95286B.8000101@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3729101473000244417==" --===============3729101473000244417== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurie Brown wrote: > I understand shorewall (http://www.shorewall.net)is pretty good (there's a > Gentoo package, unlike ipcop) but I've yet to play with it. Any one in ALUG It's running happily on my router, as far as I can tell. Text file config, but we're used to that... --===============3729101473000244417==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 10 13:56:33 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0701865612335327551==" --===============0701865612335327551== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Savory wrote: > Wanted to kill ALUG? Did I miss something, or is this hyperbole? It was split between ALUG, private email and a web site that no longer exists. RM wanted to create a "Southern England LUG" to replace all of the existing LUGs in the south of England (Nottingham down, IIRC). It never came to much, but it's a fun story. Consistent with other tales of RM, too. --===============0701865612335327551==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Thu Apr 10 16:14:10 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:15:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3E958AC5.7010506@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2465881252129068427==" --===============2465881252129068427== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MJ Ray wrote: > Laurie Brown wrote: > >>I understand shorewall (http://www.shorewall.net)is pretty good (there's a >>Gentoo package, unlike ipcop) but I've yet to play with it. Any one in ALUG > > > It's running happily on my router, as far as I can tell. Text file config, > but we're used to that... Text file config is good because then only the config file changes from installation to installation rather than custom editing the existing fw script. I'm sold: I'll give it a go. Thanks. Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============2465881252129068427==-- From paul@bdiemc.fslife.co.uk Thu Apr 10 17:43:50 2003 From: Paul To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] kernel upgrade problems Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:44:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030410164346.RNVP11246.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@there> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0991719705010964272==" --===============0991719705010964272== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jenny Two things to try.. a) Upgrade modutils to the latest version, and, b) Upgrade lilo also. Regards, Paul. On Thursday 10 April 2003 10:30 am, Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > I've been trying to upgrade my kernel for what seems like months now. It > has an ancient old 2.2.18pre21 kernel, and I've been trying many times to > compile 2.4.19. I've tried from a fresh confi, from the 2.2.18pre21 > config, removing apm and vari0us bits and bobs. But all that happens if I > try and boot into it is that it gets as far as "loading > linux......................." then reboots back to the startup. > 2.2.18pre21 still boots just fine from lilo. -- "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password." --===============0991719705010964272==-- From raph@panache.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 10 18:20:18 2003 From: raph@panache.demon.co.uk To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] kernel upgrade problems Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:21:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3812520656860501410==" --===============3812520656860501410== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To build 2.4.x udner 2.2 you will have to upgrade lots of things, including gcc, modutils. binutils, libraries and possibly others. the easy way to do it is to build a complete new system in a spare partition; don't try to upgrade = in place - you may screw up your working system. On 10-Apr-2003 Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > Hi, list. >=20 > I've been trying to upgrade my kernel for what seems like months now. It > has an ancient old 2.2.18pre21 kernel, and I've been trying many times to > compile 2.4.19. I've tried from a fresh confi, from the 2.2.18pre21 > config, removing apm and vari0us bits and bobs. But all that happens if I > try and boot into it is that it gets as far as "loading > linux......................." then reboots back to the startup. > 2.2.18pre21 still boots just fine from lilo. >=20 > on IRC it was suggested I look in lilo.conf for lines like "initrc", I > looked and there are none. I spent a while last night looking at the > differences between all the files I could find relevant to the two kernels, > like permissions gone wrong, missing links, but can't find any. >=20 > Any ideas, anyone? It's a pretty old box now, but i didn't think backwards > compatability was a problem. >=20 > Thanks, > Jenny >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --=20 A liberal is a person whose principles are not at stake at the moment. - Willis Player Raphael Mankin E-Mail: raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------- --===============3812520656860501410==-- From lists@theangel.net Thu Apr 10 19:37:58 2003 From: Michael Sage To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:38:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5301996345380655920==" --===============5301996345380655920== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally we use shorewall, its great! ;o) Nice hardcore text file! You can get a webmin module for iptables, shorewall, simple firewall, ipchains and turtle, if your a bit soft and like webadmin :o) Aside Webmin is great, esp. for those of us who admin a windows network and cant be bothered with ssh (having said that I now have a Linux box and a windies box on my desk)! And also for the soft windows admins who are scared of text files! At home I use a simple masq firewall, 3 lines and protecting me from windoze script kiddies. :o) What more do you want on a 56k connection! hmmmmm, East Anglia for ya! Has anyone ever managed to setup Snort for the IDS side of things, I am really struggling with the whole needing a MySQL db, I come from an MS SQL side of things so I am still a bit soft... :-P Any way, All the best. Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 08/04/2003 --===============5301996345380655920==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 10 21:37:29 2003 From: BenEBoy To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] strange window maximising question Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:38:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304102138.17065.mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200304092122.12993.mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1090593228730328999==" --===============1090593228730328999== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday 09 April 2003 21:22, BenEBoy wrote: > Evening all, > > I don't suppose anyone knows of a way to control the way a window maximises > in X (using fluxbox to be precise)? I'm trying to find a way to make sure > no windows obscures gkrellm on my desktop when maximised, so I can keep an > eye on my new mail indicator (amongst other things). Conversely, I don't > really want gkrellm to obscure other windows either. I've sorted this now. Cheers for semi-suggesting looking in the gkrellm man pages MJ. It mentioned using an argument which would allow it to go into the flubox 'slit', and a config option for fluxbox is 'don't maximise over the slit'. I had to play with a few more options but it's working now :-) BenE --===============1090593228730328999==-- From kpwatson@ukfsn.org Fri Apr 11 20:11:40 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:12:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030411201313.38f5a7ec.kpwatson@ukfsn.org> In-Reply-To: <20030407094613.GA25033@meltdown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2056235371829823803==" --===============2056235371829823803== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:46:13 +0100 xs(a)kittenz.org wrote: > > They are very fast, and their contents easily removed. This makes > them good filesystems for /tmp. > sounds interesting, can you point me in the direction of some material that explains this in more detail? Cheers Keith --===============2056235371829823803==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 11 21:09:49 2003 From: BenE To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] P2P Search Engines Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030411201313.38f5a7ec.kpwatson@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6439814740477654439==" --===============6439814740477654439== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (I hope this gets through, I've just installed/configured exim ::grin::) There's a thread on another list I'm on, with regards to the recent google stories on the register, about open source search engines. Has anyone had any experience of any? I notice theres a few about, but none I've heard of. A few people have suggested that a peer to peer search engine might be a good solution (mostly for decentralisation reasons). Does anyone have any thoughts? Good? Bad? Impossible? It's certainly an interesting idea IMO. Might be worth giving it a go to see if it's feasable. BenE --===============6439814740477654439==-- From xs@kittenz.org Fri Apr 11 22:55:24 2003 From: xs@kittenz.org To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:56:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030411214751.GA4060@meltdown> In-Reply-To: <20030411201313.38f5a7ec.kpwatson@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2063610444488790416==" --===============2063610444488790416== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 08:13:13PM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:46:13 +0100 > xs(a)kittenz.org wrote: > > They are very fast, and their contents easily removed. This makes > > them good filesystems for /tmp. > > sounds interesting, can you point me in the direction of some material that > explains this in more detail? http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November1999/article124.html is similar to how I remember doing it with 2.2.x. It may have changed since then. /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ramdisk.txt documents some of it. --===============2063610444488790416==-- From leagard@lycos.com Sat Apr 12 11:59:43 2003 From: lea Gardner - Dennant To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Re:need help with sparcbook2... Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:00:01 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1015612941979784699==" --===============1015612941979784699== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does anyone know of how to install a clean sunOS4 over the network onto a pas= sworded sparcbook2? (network primarily runs windblows/disc-less linux at pres= ent, but will soon have running sun enterprise 450 server.) this one is baffl= ing guys, so any help would be much appreciated -- On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 06:25:11 =20 main-request wrote: >Send main mailing list submissions to > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk > >You can reach the person managing the list at > main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of main digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RAM Disks (Keith Watson) > 2. P2P Search Engines (BenE) > 3. Re: RAM Disks (xs(a)kittenz.org) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:13:13 +0100 >From: Keith Watson >To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks > >On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:46:13 +0100 >xs(a)kittenz.org wrote: >>=20 >> They are very fast, and their contents easily removed. This makes >> them good filesystems for /tmp. >>=20 > >sounds interesting, can you point me in the direction of some material that >explains this in more detail? > >Cheers > >Keith > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:10:37 +0100 (BST) >From: BenE >Reply-To: mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk >To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: [Alug] P2P Search Engines > > >(I hope this gets through, I've just installed/configured exim ::grin::) > >There's a thread on another list I'm on, with regards to the recent >google stories on the register, about open source search engines. Has >anyone had any experience of any? I notice theres a few about, but none >I've heard of. > >A few people have suggested that a peer to peer search engine might be a >good solution (mostly for decentralisation reasons). Does anyone have any >thoughts? Good? Bad? Impossible? It's certainly an interesting idea IMO. >Might be worth giving it a go to see if it's feasable. > >BenE > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:47:52 +0100 >From: xs(a)kittenz.org >To: Keith Watson >Cc: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks > >on Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 08:13:13PM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:46:13 +0100 >> xs(a)kittenz.org wrote: >> > They are very fast, and their contents easily removed. This makes >> > them good filesystems for /tmp. >>=20 >> sounds interesting, can you point me in the direction of some material that >> explains this in more detail? > >http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November1999/article124.html is similar >to how I remember doing it with 2.2.x. It may have changed since >then. /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ramdisk.txt documents some >of it. > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ >http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > >End of main Digest > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=3Dplus&ref=3Dlmtplus --===============1015612941979784699==-- From W.B.Hill@uea.ac.uk Sat Apr 12 12:30:53 2003 From: wbh To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:31:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030411214751.GA4060@meltdown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3975418302929978260==" --===============3975418302929978260== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 11 Apr 2003 xs(a)kittenz.org wrote: > http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November1999/article124.html is similar > to how I remember doing it with 2.2.x. It may have changed since > then. /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ramdisk.txt documents some > of it. I'm currently using tmpfs (formerly shmfs???) on 2.4.18 --===============3975418302929978260==-- From noodles@earth.li Sat Apr 12 18:24:05 2003 From: Jonathan McDowell To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:25:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030412172405.GA14386@earth.li> In-Reply-To: <20030302183213.GD11540@earth.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8304543449521483292==" --===============8304543449521483292== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 06:32:13PM +0000, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 06:09:52PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: > > I bought a conexant internal PCI ADSL modem a while ago as it > > advertised Linux compatability on the box and I was (at the time) fed > > up with the Alcatel Frog modem. > The drivers at: > > http://www.themad-house.co.uk/Conexant/conexant-drivers.html > > include source. They're only prebuilt for 2.2.16 and 2.4.3, but I've > just built a set against 2.4.21-pre3 with no issues. I don't have the > hardware to test they actually work of course. Update: I've just used these drivers with a Dabs Value PCI ADSL modem in a Debian Woody box successfully. Main hassle was getting a version of pppd that supports PPPoATM, but aside from that it wasn't too bad. J. -- /------------------------------------\ | Rock and roll stops the traffic. | | http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ | \------------------------------------/ --===============8304543449521483292==-- From jamie.french@talk21.com Sat Apr 12 20:31:32 2003 From: Jamie French To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] SuSe 8.2 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:32:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c3012a$96d806e0$0b07a8c0@bitswkst01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5777991297045975478==" --===============5777991297045975478== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Hope all is well! I am looking to get hold of SuSe 8.2, largely for the inclusion of MainActor. Can anyone recommend a source to obtain a copy? Amazon do have it, but thought I would see if there are any other sources. Take Care, Jamie --===============5777991297045975478==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 12 20:39:03 2003 From: BenE To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] SuSe 8.2 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c3012a$96d806e0$0b07a8c0@bitswkst01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5072041406199734378==" --===============5072041406199734378== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 12 Apr 2003, Jamie French wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Hope all is well! I am looking to get hold of SuSe 8.2, largely for the > inclusion of MainActor. Can anyone recommend a source to obtain a copy? > Amazon do have it, but thought I would see if there are any other sources. > As chance would have it, I was in Waterstones today (in Norwich) and saw it in there (all 3 versions!). I expect it will in other branches too, if you aren't in Norwich. Not sure how the price compares to online though. BenE (also Jarrolds stocks SuSE, not sure about 8.2 though) --===============5072041406199734378==-- From lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Sat Apr 12 21:32:12 2003 From: Steve Fosdick To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:33:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030412213155.221ed3ec.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4633298846056935594==" --===============4633298846056935594== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:24:05 +0100 Jonathan McDowell wrote: > Update: I've just used these drivers with a Dabs Value PCI ADSL modem in > a Debian Woody box successfully. Main hassle was getting a version of > pppd that supports PPPoATM, but aside from that it wasn't too bad. I also have the Dabs Value PCI ADSL modem working. My kernel version is 2.4.= 20 and I didn't need to apply any kernel patches at all. The Debian atm-tool= s package supplies the necessary libatm.so. For me the two points of slight difficulty were: 1. The Debian ppp package doesn't support PPPoA. I was able to find a patch = against the version of pppd used in Debian so I downloaded the Debian source,= patched it, and build it into a binary package which I could install in plac= e of the normal Debian one. It is working fine with both PPPoA for ADSL and = standard dialup. 2. For some reason building the kernel pppoatm driver as a module didn't work= because modprobe couldn't find the pppoatm_ioctl_hook symbol. I posted a se= parate message about this on 5th April. This is not a showstopper though as = it works correctly with ATM support including PPPoA compiled into the kernel. Steve. --===============4633298846056935594==-- From lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Sat Apr 12 22:40:42 2003 From: Steve Fosdick To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] LinuxConf Australia (LCA) 2003 - CD-ROM available Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:41:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030412224025.66975bd4.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1450842705045196493==" --===============1450842705045196493== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I spotted on Debian Planet that a CD-ROM had been released of the papers and presentations at LCA-2003 and it looks pretty interesting. Below is list of the papers/presentations. I have downloaded a copy of the CD and if anyone wants a real CD-ROM copy I'd be happy to do one - please let me know. Otherwise see http://conf.linux.org.au/ Wednesday, 22nd January 2003 ============================ Welcome to Linux.conf.au 2003 PHP Introduction Rasmus Lerdorf PHP Advanced Rasmus Lerdorf Using autoconf, automake and friends. Malcolm Tredinnick The Unreliable Guide to Kernel Hacking Paul "Rusty" Russell Using Sweep: Fun with Scrubby Conrad Parker The Ins and Outs of PostgreSQL Gavin Sherry Thursday, 23rd January 2003 =========================== Reverse Engineering Techniques Andrew Tridgell My computer is bigger than yours! Martin Schwenke Making the right sort of difference: bugs Telsa Gwynne and what to do with them Sweep: Real-world audio editing on Linux Conrad Parker more, More, MORE! - Porting Hints and Horror Bdale Garbee Stories from the Debian Project ARQuake - Outdoor Augmented Reality Gaming Wayne Piekarski $100,000 OUT OF THE WINDOW? YOU Philip Hart CANNOT BE SERIOUS! Teaching Software Engineering using David Glance Open Source Software Dynamic Feedback in LVS Jeremy Kerr Pretend Systems doing real Work Dan Shearer Dynamic Probes - Debugging by Stealth Suparna Bhattacharya What is that CONFIG_HAMRADIO thing anyway? Hugh Blemings A Linux users guide to Ham Radio DHCPv6 for Linux Suresh Kodati Q&A Session Friday, 24th January 2003 ========================= Herding Wild Cats and Related Adventures Bdale Garbee An Inside Look at the Debian Project The Boston Consulting Group/OSDN Hacker Survey Jeff "Hemos" Bates initramfs, klibc and early userspace H. Peter Anvin Towards full NTFS semantics in Samba Andrew Tridgell Useful kernel audits Alan Cox Putting a filesystem into a device driver Greg KH PHP Printing with PDF Rasmus Lerdorf Biometrics and Linux Alexander Reeder Perdition: A Mail Retrieval Proxy Simon "Horms" Horman Zeroconf networking Brad Hards Problems in Open Source Licensing Jeremy Malcolm High Availability using Reliable Server Pooling Thomas Dreibholz Who wants another filesystem Neil Brown Saturday, 25th January 2003 =========================== Hacking the kernel and looking cool whilst Paul "Rusty" Russell driving a fast car distcc Martin Pool I'll Do It Later: Softirqs, Tasklets, Bottom Matthew Wilcox Halves, Task Queues, Work Queues and Timers The Linux Kernel Device Model Patrick Mochel Sequel Syndrome: The GNOME Project Grows Up Jeff Waugh Linux at the Little End of the World Malcolm Tredinnick EggMenu James Henstridge Katie, open-source revision control system Geoffrey D. Bennett Design of the Portable.NET Interpreter Rhys Weatherley Developing network applications under UNIX Adrian Chadd Debian Mini-conf ================ DPL State of the Nation Address Bdale Garbee Debian and Ham Radio Bdale Garbee Debian package cache with apt-cacher Jonathan Oxer "Hopefully enough stuff to fill the allotted Paul "Rusty" Russell time" FAI - unattended Debian installations Niall Young IPv6 in Debian Trent "Lathiat" Lloyd IPv6 Mini-conf ============== Writing IPv6 Network Applications Trent "Lathiat" Lloyd IPv6 Tunnel Broker Anand Kumria IPv6 for Everyone Anand Kumria Enabling a Campus LAN for IPv6 Grahame Bowland --- End --- --===============1450842705045196493==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 13 01:43:38 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:44:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030412213155.221ed3ec.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7530192787011898460==" --===============7530192787011898460== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Fosdick wrote: > Debian source, patched it, and build it into a binary package which I > could install in place of the normal Debian one. It is working fine > with both PPPoA for ADSL and standard dialup. Remember to mark the package as "hold" if you use apt-get at all. You can do this through one of the front-ends (not sure whether dselect can, though), or I think it's echo "pppd hold" | dpkg --set-selections if you feel like brute force. You should check the fine manual before believing me, though. [...] > I posted a separate message about this on 5th April. This is not a > showstopper though as it works correctly with ATM support including > PPPoA compiled into the kernel. Actually, I remember someone complaining on another IRC channel about this problem, but I don't remember if there was another solution. Such is the trouble with IRC for technical questions. -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. --===============7530192787011898460==-- From lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Sun Apr 13 02:13:47 2003 From: Steve Fosdick To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Fw: Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:14:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030413021346.17428f35.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8982200817836129982==" --===============8982200817836129982== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:44:27 -0000 MJ Ray wrote: > Steve Fosdick wrote: > > Debian source, patched it, and build it into a binary package which > > I could install in place of the normal Debian one. It is working > > fine with both PPPoA for ADSL and standard dialup. > > Remember to mark the package as "hold" if you use apt-get at all. You > can do this through one of the front-ends (not sure whether dselect > can, though), or I think it's echo "pppd hold" | dpkg --set-selections > if you feel like brute force. You should check the fine manual before > believing me, though. I just checked in aptitude and it seems to have aquired hold status automatically, unless in a brief moment of inspiration I thought to do this myself. When building the package I did look to see if there was any easy way of setting the package version so it was obvious it was an unoffical package but I didn't see such a thing. Anyone know if this is easy? > Actually, I remember someone complaining on another IRC channel about > this problem, but I don't remember if there was another solution. > Such is the trouble with IRC for technical questions. My guess is that it is to do with the fact that the symbol is a BSS symbol rather than a normal text or data symbol, but that doesn't provide a solution. Actaully, since my last e-mail I have remembered another small issue with the Conexant Tigris drivers - one is supposed to be able to get status information from /proc/net/atm/CnxAdsl:0 but if I try to cat this file it dies with a segmentation fault with syslog indicating that a NULL pointer dereference is happening within the kernel. Kudos to Linus and the other kernel contributors that the kernel can recover from errors like this by killing the process that invoked the faulted code. This bug also doesn't seem to make any difference to the actual operation of the card and sufficient status information seems to be available from the /proc/CnxAdslDebugQuery file. Steve. --===============8982200817836129982==-- From paul@bdiemc.fslife.co.uk Sun Apr 13 17:42:44 2003 From: Paul To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] LinuxConf Australia (LCA) 2003 - CD-ROM available Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:43:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030413164243.PWEI6166.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> In-Reply-To: <20030412224025.66975bd4.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6461378215341950507==" --===============6461378215341950507== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listening to Alan Cox on kernel source - Yes, very interesting. I dare say there are loads of other usefull snippits in there. Thanks for the link. Regards, Paul. On Saturday 12 April 2003 10:40 pm, Steve Fosdick wrote: > I spotted on Debian Planet that a CD-ROM had been released of the > papers and presentations at LCA-2003 and it looks pretty interesting. -- "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password." --===============6461378215341950507==-- From neill@entora.co.uk Mon Apr 14 06:00:00 2003 From: Neill Newman To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:00:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1445654512100639748==" --===============1445654512100639748== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!) --===============1445654512100639748==-- From syd@toufol.com Mon Apr 14 08:11:58 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Adding a udma-100 card? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:12:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304140750.16696.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3878705043354918726==" --===============3878705043354918726== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an udma-100 hard drive but the m/board supports only ata-33 (apologies if these are not the correct technical terms). Is a udma-100 card simply a hardware addition or will it need drivers and, if so, are these likely to be modules or will it require a kernel rebuild? If distro dependant, it is likely to be used with either mandrake 9.1 or knoppix. TIA Syd --===============3878705043354918726==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 14 09:40:57 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:41:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5050449155444064940==" --===============5050449155444064940== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neill Newman wrote: > there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. > The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the > #alug channel. The current web site source has just been uploaded to http://www.alug.org.uk/src/alug-web-20030414.tar.gz (519kb) It looks like "make patch" finally works in this edition. If you'd like to help update the web site, I'll be on IRC this evening to field questions etc about how to use it. Next tasks for me include some more developer improvements and asking authors of pages that haven't been freshened up what they want to do with them. MJR --===============5050449155444064940==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Mon Apr 14 09:50:36 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:51:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c30263$33168e80$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7457592758527791121==" --===============7457592758527791121== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a directory containing a bunch of MP3 files and I want to convert them= to CDR prior to burning a CD. eg. foo.mp3 -> foo.cdr bar.mp3 -> bar.cdr dog.mp3 -> dog.cdr cat.mp3 -> cat.cdr etc..... Currently I'm looking at a script that uses MPG321 and a 'for' loop. 2 questions; 1) is there a better way? 2) can I parse the filename (in the script) to separate the extension (.MP3) = from it so I can then append .CDR to it?=20 Keith=20 ____________ A bend in the road is not the end of the road... unless you fail to make the = turn. --===============7457592758527791121==-- From W.B.Hill@uea.ac.uk Mon Apr 14 10:40:08 2003 From: wbh To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:41:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c30263$33168e80$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5070557518825950568==" --===============5070557518825950568== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I have a directory containing a bunch of MP3 files and I want to convert th= em to CDR prior to burning a CD. >=20 > eg. > foo.mp3 -> foo.cdr > bar.mp3 -> bar.cdr > dog.mp3 -> dog.cdr > cat.mp3 -> cat.cdr > etc..... >=20 > Currently I'm looking at a script that uses MPG321 and a 'for' loop. >=20 > 2 questions; >=20 > 1) is there a better way? >=20 > 2) can I parse the filename (in the script) to separate the extension > (.MP3) from it so I can then append .CDR to it? Cheap'n'cheerful: for file in *.mp3; do (echo mpg321 -s \"$file\" \> \"$(basename $file .mp3).c= dr\"); done | sh --===============5070557518825950568==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Mon Apr 14 11:07:02 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:08:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c3026d$e09b70c0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2112371361073737780==" --===============2112371361073737780== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: wbh > > > I have a directory containing a bunch of MP3 files and I > want to convert them to CDR prior to burning a CD. > > > > eg. > > foo.mp3 -> foo.cdr > > bar.mp3 -> bar.cdr > > dog.mp3 -> dog.cdr > > cat.mp3 -> cat.cdr > > etc..... > > > > Currently I'm looking at a script that uses MPG321 and a 'for' loop. > > > > 2 questions; > > > > 1) is there a better way? > > > > 2) can I parse the filename (in the script) to separate the > extension > > (.MP3) from it so I can then append .CDR to it? > > Cheap'n'cheerful: > for file in *.mp3; do (echo mpg321 -s \"$file\" \> \"$(basename $file .mp3)= .cdr\"); done | sh > cheers, looks interesting. let's see if I understand what's going on here; you're using 'echo' to build = a list of mpg321 commands and then piping these into a separate shell? and the '\'s are because you're escaping the quote and greater than character= s so that they're passed across as part of the command string rather than being parsed by the original command shell? looking at the man pages I see 'basename' is a separate utility, are there an= y other useful ones that are handy for manipulating filenames, paths etc? thanks for the help, Keith ____________ There is only one thing certain and that is nothing is certain. G.K. Chestert= on --===============2112371361073737780==-- From rjk@terraraq.org.uk Mon Apr 14 11:25:13 2003 From: Richard Kettlewell To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:26:01 +0000 Message-ID: <84ptnpml4m.fsf@rjk.greenend.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <001001c3026d$e09b70c0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6000840172814781700==" --===============6000840172814781700== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Keith Watson" writes: >> Cheap'n'cheerful: >> for file in *.mp3; do (echo mpg321 -s \"$file\" \> \"$(basename $file .mp3= ).cdr\"); done | sh >> > > cheers, looks interesting. > > let's see if I understand what's going on here; you're using 'echo' > to build a list of mpg321 commands and then piping these into a > separate shell? > > and the '\'s are because you're escaping the quote and greater than > characters so that they're passed across as part of the command > string rather than being parsed by the original command shell? It looks like an incomplete attempt to get the quoting right; it'll still go wrong if there are, for instance, quotes or multiple consecutive spaces in a filename. It'd be better to just invoke mpg123 directly rather than building up a command list and then executing it; you can get the quoting exactly right that way. Also, there's no need to call out to basename to strip the .mp3 suffix - the shell can do this for you using one of the things under 'Parameter Expansion' in 'man bash'. Taking the above into account, I suggest something like this: for file in *.mp3; do mpg321 -s "$file" > "${file%.mp3}.cdr" done # untested l-) --=20 http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/ --===============6000840172814781700==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 14 12:03:11 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c30263$33168e80$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2296182033786539016==" --===============2296182033786539016== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Watson wrote: > 1) is there a better way? I think it's called mp3burn -- burns Oggs too. --===============2296182033786539016==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Mon Apr 14 12:17:51 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:18:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c30277$c4dcbbf0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: <84ptnpml4m.fsf@rjk.greenend.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5575323323671813440==" --===============5575323323671813440== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Richard Kettlewell > > "Keith Watson" writes: > > >> Cheap'n'cheerful: > >> for file in *.mp3; do (echo mpg321 -s \"$file\" \> > \"$(basename $file .mp3).cdr\"); done | sh ...[snip]... > > It looks like an incomplete attempt to get the quoting right; it'll > still go wrong if there are, for instance, quotes or multiple > consecutive spaces in a filename. It'd be better to just invoke > mpg123 directly rather than building up a command list and then > executing it; you can get the quoting exactly right that way. > > Also, there's no need to call out to basename to strip the .mp3 > suffix - the shell can do this for you using one of the things under > 'Parameter Expansion' in 'man bash'. > > Taking the above into account, I suggest something like this: > > for file in *.mp3; do > mpg321 -s "$file" > "${file%.mp3}.cdr" > done # untested l-) > ah! yes, thanks Richard, I suspected that there would be some built in bash f= eatures I could exploit. Looks like I need to read up on parameter and filename expansion in bash. Found the man page section on '= expansion' but I'll see if google has anything with a bit more meat in it. Anyone got any favourite tutorial material on this (or = bash shell scripts generally)? I'll have a bash tonight when I get in from work. (hark? is that a collective= groan I hear? :o) ) Keith ____________ Each of us must journey through the dots, beyond the dots, and to the truth, = alone. Russell Hoban --===============5575323323671813440==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Mon Apr 14 12:37:34 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:38:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c3027a$86089180$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1499021959161314844==" --===============1499021959161314844== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: MJ Ray > > Keith Watson wrote: > > 1) is there a better way? > > I think it's called mp3burn -- burns Oggs too. > Yep, and there's a Debian package for it; mp3burn: burn audio CDs directly from MP3, Ogg Vorbis, or FLAC files mp3burn is a Perl script that allows you to burn audio CDs composed of MP3, O= gg Vorbis, or FLAC tracks without an intermediate file conversion to .cdr or .wav. The .mp3/.ogg/.flac files *are* converted using a= decoder, but are written to FIFOs so they don't consume filesystem space during the burn. sounds good, I'll grab a copy and give it a try, but I might play around with= the bash script just for the fun of it anyway :o) Thanks for all the feedback. Keith ____________ DEFAME, v.t. To lie about another, also, to tell the truth about another. Amb= rose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary --===============1499021959161314844==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Mon Apr 14 12:41:39 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:42:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c3027b$17f6f780$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4106854192020219751==" --===============4106854192020219751== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: MJ Ray >=20 > Keith Watson wrote: > > 1) is there a better way? >=20 > I think it's called mp3burn -- burns Oggs too. >=20 ...and there's also a GUI front-end; gtkmp3burn Regards, Keith=20 ____________ CONSULT, v.i. To seek another's disapproval of a course already decided on. A= mbrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary --===============4106854192020219751==-- From Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Mon Apr 14 13:06:24 2003 From: Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] kernel upgrade problems Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:07:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9190399652203077383==" --===============9190399652203077383== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul wrote: >a) Upgrade modutils to the latest version, and, >b) Upgrade lilo also. and raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk wrote: >To build 2.4.x udner 2.2 you will have to upgrade lots of things, including >gcc, modutils. binutils, libraries and possibly others. the easy way to do it >is to build a complete new system in a spare partition; don't try to upgrade in >place - you may screw up your working system. Thanks for this advice. My system has only a dialup modem, so the last update I did was from the woody cdrom. I'll also read up on debian kernel packages as advised on IRC last week. Will let you know if I have any success, hoping to have lots of nice home-computer time this weekend :-) Jen --===============9190399652203077383==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Mon Apr 14 14:54:41 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c3028d$adc2e0a0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: <200304141342.14718.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6331714076026639882==" --===============6331714076026639882== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about an informal evening meeting in Norwich on Monday's from about 8pm. Syd Hancock and I have been discussing a suitable venue for this off-list, bu= t are having trouble coming up with one. We thought a quiet pub would be good but if it's in the city centre parking m= ight be a problem. Anyone know of any pub's or coffee bars, cafes etc. in the city centre that m= ight fit the bill? I've often parked in the Forum car park when going out in Norwich in the even= ing so venues around the Forum might be a possibility. (is the Theatre coffe bar a possibility?) > > 8pm on a monday evening is fine with me too. The coming monday is > easter of course so maybe a week on monday for the first > get-together? If I have my sums right, the monday after that is a > bank holiday. > > > > I don't know either Norwich or its pubs at all well so cannot > > > suggest anywhere. The Wild Man that I was asking about on the > > > social list looks OK, central Norwich, easy to find, no idea > > > how busy it is on a monday evening. Or there is a big pub on > > > the right just up the hill past the guildhall (St Giles?) > > > > My thoughts also. I've only lived in Norfolk for a few years so > > I'm not too well up on the local pubs. There's a pub halfway > > down the Newmarket road that used to be an Internet 'Cafe' sort > > of affair, that might be a possibility. From my experience of > > other cities there are often pubs that seem to get most of their > > trade from working people during the day and are pretty quiet in > > the evenings, so it might be worth looking at a city centre > > venue. Big problem with city centre is parking. > > True and true - when shopping etc I usually use the multi-storey off > St Giles but it is a bit dear. There is the pay-and-display on the > inner ring road by Toys'R'Us, end of St Benedicts street (and there > is the Arts Centre on St Benedicts, nice little bar/cafe in there > too). > > > Probably best to ask on the list as there's a few members who > > live in Norwich and might be a bit more knowledgeable. What we > > need is a 'Norwich Pubs Howto' :o) > > I agree, let's put it to the list (although I like the idea of the > Arts Centre unless there is an event there that evening). > Regards, Keith ____________ Where does a wise man look for pebbles? On a beach. Where does the wise man h= ide a leaf? In a forest. G.K. Chesterton --===============6331714076026639882==-- From Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Mon Apr 14 15:00:11 2003 From: Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:01:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5972954142139765158==" --===============5972954142139765158== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Syd wrote: >How about an informal evening meeting in Norwich on Monday's from about 8pm Syd - I live too far away, but enjoy. Should we change the IRC meeting evening, though? Jen --===============5972954142139765158==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Mon Apr 14 15:17:25 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:18:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c30290$d8da7ed0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8218140246197945653==" --===============8218140246197945653== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Jenny_Hopkins > Syd wrote: (actually Keith wrote, but I'm happy to pass the blame on to Syd :o) ) > >How about an informal evening meeting in Norwich on Monday's > > from about 8pm > Syd - I live too far away, but enjoy. Nothing to stop us also meeting up in Ipswich, King's Lynn, Diss, etc. if a g= roup of us are similarly co-located. :o) > Should we change the IRC meeting evening, though? > Jen hmm, forgot about the IRC meeting. No I wouldn't suggest changing it, I (don= 't know about Syd) was thinking about having these about once a month anyway. Monday is just a good day for Syd and I, Thursday's were also discussed, any = other bids for another day? BTW I see the forum coffee bar stays open until midnight (and has a drinks li= cense - for those who care) so The Forum might be a possibility, especially as you can park all night after 6pm for a pound. Keith ____________ CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired = book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbour. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary --===============8218140246197945653==-- From gt@pobox.com Mon Apr 14 18:27:10 2003 From: Graham Trott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <00bf01c302ab$1474fbe0$0a01a8c0@graham> In-Reply-To: <001701c30290$d8da7ed0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8146320693741749023==" --===============8146320693741749023== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can I put in an expression of interest in Norwich meetings? I live about 9 miles south-west of the City. However, a meeting in an (expensive) coffee bar without any equipment seems of limited use. I belong to a local PC club that meets at the British Legion Club. They charge (I think) about £11 for a room for the evening and there's a bar. Plenty of room to set up kit. Of course, if there's only a handful of attendees, people's houses might be another option. I have no objection to hosting the occasional meeting in Wymondham for maybe three of four. -- GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Watson" To: Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings > From: Jenny_Hopkins > Syd wrote: (actually Keith wrote, but I'm happy to pass the blame on to Syd :o) ) > >How about an informal evening meeting in Norwich on Monday's > > from about 8pm > Syd - I live too far away, but enjoy. Nothing to stop us also meeting up in Ipswich, King's Lynn, Diss, etc. if a group of us are similarly co-located. :o) > Should we change the IRC meeting evening, though? > Jen hmm, forgot about the IRC meeting. No I wouldn't suggest changing it, I (don't know about Syd) was thinking about having these about once a month anyway. Monday is just a good day for Syd and I, Thursday's were also discussed, any other bids for another day? BTW I see the forum coffee bar stays open until midnight (and has a drinks license - for those who care) so The Forum might be a possibility, especially as you can park all night after 6pm for a pound. Keith ____________ CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbour. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============8146320693741749023==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 14 20:00:53 2003 From: BenE To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c30277$c4dcbbf0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6567924147019408631==" --===============6567924147019408631== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Keith Watson wrote: > Anyone got any favourite tutorial material on this (or bash shell scripts generally)? > The LDP has a guide to bash scripts http://www.tldp.org/guides.html It's called the advanced bash scripting guide, about half way down. I won't post the full link since it's available in a few versions (judging by the index page you may want to get the tarball, it's *huge*) BenE --===============6567924147019408631==-- From syd@toufol.com Mon Apr 14 21:15:57 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:16:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304142053.17276.syd@toufol.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0206130169286404945==" --===============0206130169286404945== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Should we change the IRC meeting evening, though? Oops, in my enthusiasm this morning I forgot IRC - no, I would certainly not suggest that it be changed. Either we will meet on a monday from time to time or else meet on thursdays instead. The idea is only germinating at present, I expect it to change as we go along. Syd --===============0206130169286404945==-- From syd@toufol.com Mon Apr 14 21:15:58 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:17:17 +0000 Message-ID: <200304142110.34674.syd@toufol.com> In-Reply-To: <00bf01c302ab$1474fbe0$0a01a8c0@graham> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0186299141607405803==" --===============0186299141607405803== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 14 Apr 2003 6:26 pm, Graham Trott wrote: > Can I put in an expression of interest in Norwich meetings? I > live about 9 miles south-west of the City. However, a meeting in > an (expensive) coffee bar without any equipment seems of limited > use. I agree that it is limited, in some respects, but it is a start. The first idea is simply to have a get-together so that people in the area can meet up regularly and to have it in the evenings so as to complement the week-end alug meets at uea that are already planned. Then we can see what can develop from this. I would expect some changes of venue, perhaps some changes of day, perhaps moving towards getting a room and bringing along equipment - and why not? If there are a few people who will say here on the list that they would definitely attend and want to bring gear along then we can look for a suitable date and place right away. If not, then let's just start small and see what it becomes. What I would like to see, after an initial period, is regular meetings, on the same day of the month at the same place so that anyone interested does not have to think "I wonder when and where it is this month". But we may need a few different tries before that happens. > I belong to a local PC club that meets at the British > Legion Club. They charge (I think) about £11 for a room for the > evening and there's a bar. Plenty of room to set up kit. Would that be the Norwich PC User Group? Or do you mean in Wymondham? It's certainly an idea that's worth more thought. > Of course, if there's only a handful of attendees, people's > houses might be another option. I have no objection to hosting > the occasional meeting in Wymondham for maybe three of four. Graham, that is a good idea and if you want to suggest some dates then I for one am interested. I would equally be interested in hosting an occasional meeting where I live - although it's not in a built-up area and there are few busses so... perhaps not such a great idea. Best wishes Syd --===============0186299141607405803==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 14 21:16:12 2003 From: BenE To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:19:15 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6682885798502249674==" --===============6682885798502249674== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a place in Norwich that sells the Sharp Zaurus PDA pls? I've been looking to buy one for a while now and since they are *relatively* cheap, as I've discovered tonight, I'm even more tempted :-) Has anyone had any experience of them? I assume being linux based there would be no problems connecting my desktop to it. I've now realised that's prolly quite a big assumption, hmm? *googles* cheers, BenE --===============6682885798502249674==-- From abower@thebowery.co.uk Mon Apr 14 21:45:06 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:46:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030414204504.GA25735@thebowery.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200304142110.34674.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1326794746099554573==" --===============1326794746099554573== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 09:10:34PM +0100, Syd Hancock wrote: > On Monday 14 Apr 2003 6:26 pm, Graham Trott wrote: > > Can I put in an expression of interest in Norwich meetings? I > > live about 9 miles south-west of the City. However, a meeting in > > an (expensive) coffee bar without any equipment seems of limited > > use.=20 >=20 > I agree that it is limited, in some respects, but it is a start. The=20 > first idea is simply to have a get-together so that people in the=20 > area can meet up regularly and to have it in the evenings so as to=20 > complement the week-end alug meets at uea that are already planned. I like this idea best, it means I can consider the 1 1/2 hour drive on the sp= ur of the moment instead of worry about navigating to a new location every time. >=20 > Then we can see what can develop from this.=20 >=20 > I would expect some changes of venue, perhaps some changes of day,=20 > perhaps moving towards getting a room and bringing along equipment=20 > - and why not? If there are a few people who will say here on the=20 > list that they would definitely attend and want to bring gear along=20 > then we can look for a suitable date and place right away. >=20 > If not, then let's just start small and see what it becomes.=20 Good plan. Adam --=20 jabberid =3D quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem --===============1326794746099554573==-- From abower@thebowery.co.uk Mon Apr 14 21:50:50 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:51:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030414205048.GB25735@thebowery.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0748106351725332273==" --===============0748106351725332273== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 10:16:52PM +0100, BenE wrote: > Does anyone know of a place in Norwich that sells the Sharp Zaurus PDA > pls? I've been looking to buy one for a while now and since they are > *relatively* cheap, as I've discovered tonight, I'm even more tempted :-) I got mine from http://www.expansys.com I know its not in Norwich but they were/are cheap and fairly reliable for that kind of stuff. > Has anyone had any experience of them? I assume being linux based there > would be no problems connecting my desktop to it. I've now realised that's > prolly quite a big assumption, hmm? Well I own one, the first thing I did was ditch the Sharp Linux and replace it with openzaurus http://www.openzaurus.org mine syncs to my work (windows atm) desktop using qtopia which you can download from the trolltech website. There are linux packages that do the same also so it should be relatively easy to g= et working. My Zaurus at home uses a wireless lan to connect to things and at wo= rk it uses the USB cradle (this can have problems in linux if you have a kernel lower than 2.4.21pre7 so you may need to walk on the wild side a bit) Anyhow the Zaurus is a great little bit of kit, you may want to factor the co= st of getting a 128Mb MMC for it so you can run your / filesystem off that and then dedicate 64Mb of memory for RAM. Adam --=20 jabberid =3D quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem --===============0748106351725332273==-- From wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com Mon Apr 14 23:39:16 2003 From: Wayne Stallwood To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304142349.19183.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2157423771392680282==" --===============2157423771392680282== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 14 April 2003 21:16, BenE wrote: > Has anyone had any experience of them? I assume being linux based there > would be no problems connecting my desktop to it. I've now realised that's > prolly quite a big assumption, hmm? > I've had mine for sometime now. I paid top dollar when they first became=20 available (but I did get a free CF card, and mobile power kit thingy) It=20 might be worth trying the Sharp website as I think they have a deal on on at = the moment. There are new models that should be over here soon (hence the discounts) one = that is functionally the same but with a faster chip and one that is a very=20 different beast altogether. All in all it is a cracking little widget, as a basic PDA I'd be forced to sa= y=20 that it is not as good as a decent Palm, but as a Linux machine in your=20 pocket it is fantastic. I did try OpenZaurus a while ago, it was very pretty but there were some (at = the time) functional blips that stopped me from keeping with it. Maybe it's=20 time I looked again. Linux desktop sync with older kernels is not for the faint hearted, but it=20 does work with a little patience and once connected via the USB cradle the Z = simply appears as another machine on your network (the same is true for the=20 Windows connection) If you are going to stick with the Sharp rom and you are planning on=20 connecting it to a network with untrusted users then one thing you must do it= =20 upgrade to a later ROM image (really easy to do) There is a nasty security=20 flaw with the original ROM version. Oh and install Interstellar Flames to impress your inquiring friends (the 3D = graphics are out of this world on a PDA) Wayne --===============2157423771392680282==-- From madtom1999@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 08:19:47 2003 From: tom potts To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Re: Zauruss Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:20:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415071915.47185.qmail@web41310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5669287117912884716==" --===============5669287117912884716== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Excuse my ignorance but can you stick on of those 1G microdrives in them? (quite cheap as www.scan.co.uk (£127 ex vat!) at the mo) Tom __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer --===============5669287117912884716==-- From gt@pobox.com Tue Apr 15 08:47:33 2003 From: Graham Trott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:48:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c30323$4603d1e0$0a01a8c0@graham> In-Reply-To: <20030414204504.GA25735@thebowery.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7414111789829135138==" --===============7414111789829135138== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new around here so I missed this one. What's the story re the UEA meeting? Just up the road from here. -- GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Bower" To: Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings > I agree that it is limited, in some respects, but it is a start. The > first idea is simply to have a get-together so that people in the > area can meet up regularly and to have it in the evenings so as to > complement the week-end alug meets at uea that are already planned. --===============7414111789829135138==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Tue Apr 15 09:04:32 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c30325$edb10320$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6204495954051005030==" --===============6204495954051005030== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: BenE > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Keith Watson wrote: > > > Anyone got any favourite tutorial material on this (or bash shell > scripts generally)? > > > > The LDP has a guide to bash scripts > > http://www.tldp.org/guides.html > > It's called the advanced bash scripting guide, about half way down. I Yes, exactly what I was looking for, thanks for the pointer. Regards, Keith ____________ There is no here, no there. Infinity is before our eyes. Seng-T'san --===============6204495954051005030==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Tue Apr 15 09:16:00 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:16:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c30327$884ef670$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1824859016540540270==" --===============1824859016540540270== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following works a treat; for file in *.mp3; do mpg321 --wav "${file%.mp3}.wav" "$file"; done cdroast didn't seem to like CDR but was quite happy with WAV (which it then s= eemed to convert to CDR - heigh ho). mp3burn was also quite good and does save on a lot of intermediate disk space= but I liked the extra comfort factor of the cdroast GUI (OK who said 'wimp'!! :o) ) All I need to do now is sort out some way of normalising the volume levels ac= ross all of the tracks so that I'm not constantly re-adjusting the volume all the time. Anyone come across something that will = help with this? Many thanks to all for the help, Keith ____________ Look for what is, and not for what you think there should be. Albert Einstein --===============1824859016540540270==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 15 09:19:04 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Re: Zauruss Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:20:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106865@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9123767166399697333==" --===============9123767166399697333== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Excuse my ignorance but can you stick on of those 1G > microdrives in them? > (quite cheap as www.scan.co.uk (£127 ex vat!) at the > mo) > Tom AFAIK they work, at least I have read as much so you could use it to store vast amounts of .ogg files :) but I have not tried one! Adam --===============9123767166399697333==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 15 09:30:37 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:31:01 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106866@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8406120485201197678==" --===============8406120485201197678== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There are new models that should be over here soon (hence the > discounts) one > that is functionally the same but with a faster chip and one > that is a very > different beast altogether. The new 5600 model is not actually as good as the 5500 (these are things I have read online BTW) , basically they have stuck a new cpu in it (400Mhz instead of 200Mhz) but due to implementation problems it will run at about the same speed as the 5500. Also they have taken the amount of RAM down to 32MB from 64MB but bolted on 64MB of non-volatile flash instead of 16MB of flash in the 5500. This means you will be limited to a maximum of 32MB of RAM where my Z is currently running with 64MB (and 128MB of MMC for its file system) with openzaurus. The main advantages of the newer model is that it has a 1700mAh battery instead of a 950mAh (but the new cpu burns more juice iirc) but this adds a bulge onto the back of the unit, and it has a built in microphone which you don't have with the 5500. > All in all it is a cracking little widget, as a basic PDA I'd > be forced to say > that it is not as good as a decent Palm, but as a Linux > machine in your > pocket it is fantastic. I would say that it makes the palm look like a pile of something brown and smelly :) although I have now had 4 different models of palm break on me in pretty much the same way. I do find the Z is much better as a PDA. One thing is that I did have problems with openzaurus 3.0 (and the sharp rom too) but I now have openzaurus 3.2 installed and it works very nicely, apart from the occasional hot plug problem. > Oh and install Interstellar Flames to impress your inquiring > friends (the 3D > graphics are out of this world on a PDA) I have this, it does tend to impress people when they see it :) although I still have to check out other games yet. Adam --===============8406120485201197678==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 15 09:46:35 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:47:01 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106867@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5471871728763428091==" --===============5471871728763428091== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Trott [mailto:gt(a)pobox.com] > Sent: 15 April 2003 08:46 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings > > > I'm new around here so I missed this one. What's the story re the UEA > meeting? Just up the road from here. I am trying to get some meetings organised off list atm, when we have some fixed dates I will post them here and on the Alug website. Then I can see when people who have offered to do talks are available etc. Adam --===============5471871728763428091==-- From ben@toasta.com Tue Apr 15 09:53:30 2003 From: Ben Dunham To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Zaurus Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c3032c$6c4213e0$1900a8c0@toastaltop> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106866@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6622819933382142233==" --===============6622819933382142233== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Hi there, never posted before. 3rd year CS student @ UEA] Bought one of these a couple of months ago. Excellent, really good. However, I got it from Amazon. I suggest you get it from a shop and ask to see it before buying it. Mine has a dirty rotten dead pixel in the top corner. The Sharp policy (in line with pretty much everyone elses) is that a couple of dead pixels is acceptable. They wont fix it. Just a pain really! ben dunham --- ben(a)toasta.com | http://www.toasta.com | icq: 78154409 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Bower" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: RE: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) > > > There are new models that should be over here soon (hence the > > discounts) one > > that is functionally the same but with a faster chip and one > > that is a very > > different beast altogether. > > The new 5600 model is not actually as good as the 5500 (these are things I > have read online BTW) , basically they have stuck a new cpu in it (400Mhz > instead of 200Mhz) but due to implementation problems it will run at about > the same speed as the 5500. Also they have taken the amount of RAM down to > 32MB from 64MB but bolted on 64MB of non-volatile flash instead of 16MB of > flash in the 5500. This means you will be limited to a maximum of 32MB of > RAM where my Z is currently running with 64MB (and 128MB of MMC for its file > system) with openzaurus. The main advantages of the newer model is that it > has a 1700mAh battery instead of a 950mAh (but the new cpu burns more juice > iirc) but this adds a bulge onto the back of the unit, and it has a built in > microphone which you don't have with the 5500. > > > All in all it is a cracking little widget, as a basic PDA I'd > > be forced to say > > that it is not as good as a decent Palm, but as a Linux > > machine in your > > pocket it is fantastic. > > I would say that it makes the palm look like a pile of something brown and > smelly :) although I have now had 4 different models of palm break on me in > pretty much the same way. I do find the Z is much better as a PDA. One thing > is that I did have problems with openzaurus 3.0 (and the sharp rom too) but > I now have openzaurus 3.2 installed and it works very nicely, apart from the > occasional hot plug problem. > > > Oh and install Interstellar Flames to impress your inquiring > > friends (the 3D > > graphics are out of this world on a PDA) > > I have this, it does tend to impress people when they see it :) although I > still have to check out other games yet. > > Adam > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > > > > --===============6622819933382142233==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Tue Apr 15 10:14:04 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zaurus Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:15:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415091416.GA8830@cablaptop.mth.uea.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <001f01c3032c$6c4213e0$1900a8c0@toastaltop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2345387924485478982==" --===============2345387924485478982== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 09:53:01AM +0100, Ben Dunham wrote: > [Hi there, never posted before. 3rd year CS student @ UEA] Welcome ;) > Bought one of these a couple of months ago. Excellent, really good. However, > I got it from Amazon. I suggest you get it from a shop and ask to see it > before buying it. Mine has a dirty rotten dead pixel in the top corner. The > Sharp policy (in line with pretty much everyone elses) is that a couple of > dead pixels is acceptable. They wont fix it. You could try er.. damaging some more but then would be a little scary to do on it ;) I am surprised that a number of you on ALUG got the zaurus since I've played with one for 15 minutes (One of the staff in SYS got one). And boy.. what a toy! I am so keen to ditch my handspring visor (first color model they made) for the zaurus. Looks like I better check my funds to get one ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============2345387924485478982==-- From Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Tue Apr 15 10:19:57 2003 From: Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] 3com modem Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:20:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3463966322351224288==" --===============3463966322351224288== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As for me, I just sent a Sad and Disappointed email to 3com concerning their lack of linux support for product 3CP012884A. Perhaps they'll offer to refund me :-) Jen --===============3463966322351224288==-- From syd@toufol.com Tue Apr 15 11:47:44 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:48:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304151129.03138.syd@toufol.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c30323$4603d1e0$0a01a8c0@graham> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0599127119536554676==" --===============0599127119536554676== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday 15 Apr 2003 8:45 am, Graham Trott wrote: > I'm new around here so I missed this one. What's the story re > the UEA meeting? Just up the road from here. MJR put this on the list in January (these are daytime meetings) - Mark (and others), any idea of the current status of these? Provisional Dates 2003: * Syleham: 23 Feb, 18 May, 17 Aug (BBQ?), 23 Nov * Elmswell: 27 Apr + more (all TBC) * Norwich (all UEA unless stated): 2 Feb, 16 Mar, 4 May, 7 Jun, 20 Jul (not UEA), 24 Aug (not UEA), 5 Oct, 16 Nov, 11 Jan 2004 Syd > > -- GT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Bower" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings > > > > > > I agree that it is limited, in some respects, but it is a > > start. The first idea is simply to have a get-together so that > > people in the area can meet up regularly and to have it in the > > evenings so as to complement the week-end alug meets at uea > > that are already planned. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============0599127119536554676==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 15 11:51:01 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:51:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106869@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2250028835269144969==" --===============2250028835269144969== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Syd Hancock [mailto:syd(a)toufol.com] > Sent: 15 April 2003 11:29 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings > Mark (and others), any idea of the current status of these? As I said in my earlier email its all (hopefully) being sorted out off list at the moment. I will mail the list and update the website when dates/venues have been confirmed. Adam --===============2250028835269144969==-- From S.Jude@uea.ac.uk Tue Apr 15 11:56:19 2003 From: Simon Jude To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3728302465232087661==" --===============3728302465232087661== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site for some friends and myself. Simon --===============3728302465232087661==-- From lewis@zquack.net Tue Apr 15 12:36:28 2003 From: Lewis Collard To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:37:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415113836.GA7899@zquack.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1672292725862563298==" --===============1672292725862563298== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simon Jude sed: > Hi, > Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing > particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site for some > friends and myself. Now Internet. www.nowi.net > Simon lewis -- Lewis Collard --===============1672292725862563298==-- From gt@pobox.com Tue Apr 15 12:47:35 2003 From: Graham Trott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zaurus Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:48:01 +0000 Message-ID: <005301c30344$cde8a060$0a01a8c0@graham> In-Reply-To: <20030415091416.GA8830@cablaptop.mth.uea.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1031377998784908540==" --===============1031377998784908540== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just like to say I got one too. Never dared replace the OS, mind you; too afraid of blowing it away completely. Besides, I need it to be standard to test the stuff I write for it. Is there anyone in this group who doesn't own a Z? Boy, you guys must feel pretty left out ;-) -- GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig" To: "ALUG" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Alug] Zaurus On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 09:53:01AM +0100, Ben Dunham wrote: > [Hi there, never posted before. 3rd year CS student @ UEA] Welcome ;) > Bought one of these a couple of months ago. Excellent, really good. However, > I got it from Amazon. I suggest you get it from a shop and ask to see it > before buying it. Mine has a dirty rotten dead pixel in the top corner. The > Sharp policy (in line with pretty much everyone elses) is that a couple of > dead pixels is acceptable. They wont fix it. You could try er.. damaging some more but then would be a little scary to do on it ;) I am surprised that a number of you on ALUG got the zaurus since I've played with one for 15 minutes (One of the staff in SYS got one). And boy.. what a toy! I am so keen to ditch my handspring visor (first color model they made) for the zaurus. Looks like I better check my funds to get one ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============1031377998784908540==-- From gt@pobox.com Tue Apr 15 12:49:56 2003 From: Graham Trott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:50:02 +0000 Message-ID: <006d01c30345$22cb6e50$0a01a8c0@graham> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3295804926030044811==" --===============3295804926030044811== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You *could* host your own on an ADSL line. If available, of course. -- GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Jude" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: [Alug] Web hosting Hi, Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site for some friends and myself. Simon --===============3295804926030044811==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Tue Apr 15 12:51:52 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zaurus Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:52:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415115204.GA14935@cablaptop.mth.uea.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <005301c30344$cde8a060$0a01a8c0@graham> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7126265427647523542==" --===============7126265427647523542== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 11:58:17AM +0100, Graham Trott wrote: > Just like to say I got one too. Never dared replace the OS, mind you; too > afraid of blowing it away completely. Besides, I need it to be standard to > test the stuff I write for it. > > Is there anyone in this group who doesn't own a Z? Boy, you guys must feel > pretty left out ;-) Well talk about timing ;) I could splash out the cash however I am moving to Norwich as of next week.. so the cash is needed just for whatever really... er... important... er... *Wanders to various websites for the cheapest zaurus* -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============7126265427647523542==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Tue Apr 15 13:00:56 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:01:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3E9BF4C9.8010409@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8262410884763599134==" --===============8262410884763599134== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Simon Jude wrote: > Hi, > Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing > particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site for some > friends and myself. I do that, on Gentoo Linux-based servers: £120 pa. We have a 2meg line, and support mysql/php4 etc. Could be talked into doing a deal for ALUGers. We're based in Ipswich, BTW. Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============8262410884763599134==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 15 13:10:27 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:11:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9140932600494029586==" --===============9140932600494029586== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simon Jude wrote: > Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing ALUG's current web hosts are www.php4hosting.co.uk who have been very good, recent hardware failure notwithstanding. ALUG's mailing lists are hosted by www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk who also offer hosting of various types. Other service providers may be available ;-) --===============9140932600494029586==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 15 13:12:57 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zaurus Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005301c30344$cde8a060$0a01a8c0@graham> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6955291192759586341==" --===============6955291192759586341== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham Trott wrote: > Is there anyone in this group who doesn't own a Z? Boy, you guys must feel > pretty left out ;-) I dunno. I have another palmtop and I can program it in Scheme, so I'm happy. To an extent, I don't care about the hardware as long as it is reasonably open and runs Scheme. Even some lego runs Scheme. You have to love a language that portable. MJR --===============6955291192759586341==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 15 13:18:27 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] P2P Search Engines Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:19:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8446601987906395198==" --===============8446601987906395198== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BenE wrote: > There's a thread on another list I'm on, with regards to the recent > google stories on the register, about open source search engines. Has > anyone had any experience of any? I notice theres a few about, but none > I've heard of. Can you point me to that thread please? This sounds interesting, but I can't find good material on it. A lot of the p2p search engine suggestions I've seen aren't really p2p at all, but client-server with clients sending back more information than normal. Can it work? I don't know. Are we crossing into things like agent technology and semantic web, or are there simpler ways of doing this that haven't been considered yet? The vlib.org project is a sort of p2p yahoo, but doesn't really seem to get the interest any more. -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. --===============8446601987906395198==-- From toby@earth.li Tue Apr 15 13:39:38 2003 From: Toby Jaffey To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: Zauruss Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:40:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415123127.GA10613@twoey> In-Reply-To: <20030415071915.47185.qmail@web41310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5940914210554545989==" --===============5940914210554545989== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 08:19:15AM +0100, tom potts wrote: > Excuse my ignorance but can you stick on of those 1G > microdrives in them? > (quite cheap as www.scan.co.uk (?127 ex vat!) at the > mo) I have a Compaq iPAQ and an IBM 340mb microdrive. The drive itself is CompactFlash so you can use it with the CF iPAQ jacket, or you can use it with a PCMCIA adapter and the PCMCIA jacket (which I do). Having a decent sized disk means that (for the iPAQ at least) you can run Intimate (http://intimate.handhelds.org) which is basically Debian for iPAQ. (However, sadly the main battery in my iPAQ is dead and refuses to charge. I think a new one would cost me about �50.) -- [ Can I trade this job for what's behind door #2? ] Toby Jaffey. http://pkl.net/~trj/ --===============5940914210554545989==-- From barry@beenthere-donethat.org.uk Tue Apr 15 16:00:38 2003 From: Barry Samuels To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415153702.A16441@dataman1.ibmpeers> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8413989952676041005==" --===============8413989952676041005== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2003.04.15 11:55 Simon Jude wrote: > Hi, > Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing > particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site for some > friends and myself. I have had my site hosted by www.ghoulnet.com for just over two years now. Generally quite reliable and not expensive. I believe they start at about £35.00 a year for 25MB. Regards Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain --===============8413989952676041005==-- From mail@johnwoodard.co.uk Tue Apr 15 16:55:20 2003 From: John Woodard To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:56:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304151658.35534.mail@johnwoodard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200304151129.03138.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0257127684045256780==" --===============0257127684045256780== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday 15 Apr 2003 11:29 am, Syd Hancock wrote: > On Tuesday 15 Apr 2003 8:45 am, Graham Trott wrote: > > I'm new around here so I missed this one. What's the story re > > the UEA meeting? Just up the road from here. > > MJR put this on the list in January (these are daytime meetings) - > Mark (and others), any idea of the current status of these? > > > Provisional Dates 2003: > > * Syleham: 23 Feb, 18 May, 17 Aug (BBQ?), 23 Nov > * Elmswell: 27 Apr + more (all TBC) > * Norwich (all UEA unless stated): 2 Feb, 16 Mar, > 4 May, 7 Jun, 20 Jul (not UEA), 24 Aug (not > UEA), 5 Oct, 16 Nov, 11 Jan 2004 > All the Syleham meetings are still booked and have a green light. cheers, BJ --===============0257127684045256780==-- From jamie.french@talk21.com Tue Apr 15 19:11:33 2003 From: Jamie French To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:12:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c3037c$287e4de0$0b07a8c0@bits.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030414205048.GB25735@thebowery.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4535978847772200348==" --===============4535978847772200348== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also own a Zaurus, which I have had for a long time. It is a nice bit of kit, as a toy, though I do have problems with it as a PDA. I currently run OZ 3.2, which I have inherited many problems such as the Z locking when docking in cradle, hard locks now and again, slow after a suspend, some of the apps which I need to organise my life are buggy and in some instances fail to work. I am sure many of these issues can be resolved if you have time to speak to the ever growing community, which I don't, which is why my Z has been neglected by not being used. Yeah it is cool, but for me it was an expensive toy which fails to deliver out of the box, again unless you have time. I have debated switching back to the latest Sharp ROM, though I hear it still doesn't match OZ. Anyone used the crow rom? Jamie -----Original Message----- From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Adam Bower Sent: 14 April 2003 21:51 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 10:16:52PM +0100, BenE wrote: > Does anyone know of a place in Norwich that sells the Sharp Zaurus PDA > pls? I've been looking to buy one for a while now and since they are > *relatively* cheap, as I've discovered tonight, I'm even more tempted :-) I got mine from http://www.expansys.com I know its not in Norwich but they were/are cheap and fairly reliable for that kind of stuff. > Has anyone had any experience of them? I assume being linux based there > would be no problems connecting my desktop to it. I've now realised that's > prolly quite a big assumption, hmm? Well I own one, the first thing I did was ditch the Sharp Linux and replace it with openzaurus http://www.openzaurus.org mine syncs to my work (windows atm) desktop using qtopia which you can download from the trolltech website. There are linux packages that do the same also so it should be relatively easy to get working. My Zaurus at home uses a wireless lan to connect to things and at work it uses the USB cradle (this can have problems in linux if you have a kernel lower than 2.4.21pre7 so you may need to walk on the wild side a bit) Anyhow the Zaurus is a great little bit of kit, you may want to factor the cost of getting a 128Mb MMC for it so you can run your / filesystem off that and then dedicate 64Mb of memory for RAM. Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============4535978847772200348==-- From jamie.french@talk21.com Tue Apr 15 19:17:41 2003 From: Jamie French To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:18:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c3037d$03841910$0b07a8c0@bits.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030414205048.GB25735@thebowery.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2552903466907631866==" --===============2552903466907631866== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anyhow the Zaurus is a great little bit of kit, you may want to factor the cost > of getting a 128Mb MMC for it so you can run your / filesystem off that and > then dedicate 64Mb of memory for RAM. MMC or SD? Which is better? --===============2552903466907631866==-- From abower@thebowery.co.uk Tue Apr 15 19:25:51 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:26:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415182550.GA28700@thebowery.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000501c3037d$03841910$0b07a8c0@bits.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2843500949693865751==" --===============2843500949693865751== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 07:29:55PM +0100, Jamie French wrote: > > Anyhow the Zaurus is a great little bit of kit, you may want to factor the > cost > > of getting a 128Mb MMC for it so you can run your / filesystem off that > and > > then dedicate 64Mb of memory for RAM. >=20 > MMC or SD? Which is better? MMC is better, for the following reasons a. SD on the Z doesn't use the full 4 bit data path so MMC is the same speed = as SD. b. MMC is cheaper than SD c. SD has DRM built in d. The module that allows you to access SD is non-free because of SD using DR= M, this means you will be stuck on kernel 2.4.6 forever if you use SD if you get MMC then there is a chance/possibility it will work with later kernels. Adam --=20 jabberid =3D quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem --===============2843500949693865751==-- From neill@gnashie.com Tue Apr 15 19:27:27 2003 From: Neill Newman To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:12:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3E9C4E31.3090309@gnashie.com> In-Reply-To: <000501c3037d$03841910$0b07a8c0@bits.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0760779949440445920==" --===============0760779949440445920== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie, how long does the battery last on the Z ? Sz Jamie French wrote: >>Anyhow the Zaurus is a great little bit of kit, you may want to factor the > >cost > >>of getting a 128Mb MMC for it so you can run your / filesystem off that > >and > >>then dedicate 64Mb of memory for RAM. > > >MMC or SD? Which is better? > > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >http://www.alug.org.uk/ >http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > --===============0760779949440445920==-- From tristan@pc-seller.com Tue Apr 15 19:42:58 2003 From: Tristan Scott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:43:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304162012.25599.tristan@pc-seller.com> In-Reply-To: <20030415153702.A16441@dataman1.ibmpeers> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5033499610587436059==" --===============5033499610587436059== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 15 April 2003 3:37 pm, Barry Samuels wrote: > On 2003.04.15 11:55 Simon Jude wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing > > particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site for some > > friends and myself. > > I have had my site hosted by www.ghoulnet.com for just over two years > now. Generally quite reliable and not expensive. I believe they start > at about =C2=A335.00 a year for 25MB. At PC-Seller (where I work) we do hostsing ona Windoww 2000 servers with IIS = 5=20 (haaaawk - spit). Anyway, =C2=A3100 a year, not sure of the bandwidth availiable, but its lots.= ..=20 anyway, the space is theoretically infinite (we might get upset if you use=20 more than a few gb... only if you inconvenience other users...) infinite pop3 boxes for the domain. We would do Redhat servers, php and so on, except thats an extra =C2=A3250 pe= r=20 year, and we dont actually have any demand (apart from me, my site is all PHP= =20 and mysql, dammit) I might be able to get a discount for Aluggers, maybe down to ~60 but dont=20 quote me there... Tristan Scott PC-Seller 01493 442233 > > Regards > > Barry Samuels > http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk > The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============5033499610587436059==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 15 20:44:15 2003 From: BenE To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:45:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c30327$884ef670$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3510378892030535932==" --===============3510378892030535932== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Keith Watson wrote: > All I need to do now is sort out some way of normalising the volume levels = across all of the tracks so that I'm not constantly > re-adjusting the volume all the time. Anyone come across something that wil= l help with this? > I have come across a tool that will do that. Can't remember the name off hand, try searching sourceforge for 'normalize' or 'normalise'. It *may* just be an XMMS plugin though... --===============3510378892030535932==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Tue Apr 15 21:33:46 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:34:02 +0000 Message-ID: <006501c3038e$4d1ea840$0a28a8c0@martynxp> In-Reply-To: <200304162012.25599.tristan@pc-seller.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6906585474028695510==" --===============6906585474028695510== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote on 16 April 2003 20:12: > At PC-Seller (where I work) we do hostsing ona Windoww 2000 servers > with IIS 5 (haaaawk - spit). As in Albatross? I remember that place - it was where I cut me teeth in the ISP world before moving on to Net Communications and then into the wider world of London where I'm now in the film industry and regretting every moment of it :) BTW, do you guys actually host your servers there now, or are you still running under Fasthosts (and if so - WHY? There are far better places in which to get hosting). > Anyway, £100 a year, not sure of the bandwidth availiable, but its > lots... anyway, the space is theoretically infinite (we might get > upset if you use more than a few gb... only if you inconvenience > other users...) infinite pop3 boxes for the domain. We would do > Redhat servers, php and so on, except thats an extra £250 per year, > and we dont actually have any demand (apart from me, my site is all > PHP and mysql, dammit) I might be able to get a discount for > Aluggers, maybe down to ~60 but dont quote me there... Ah, but do you offer SSH access to any of your accounts? Regards, Martyn --===============6906585474028695510==-- From gt@pobox.com Tue Apr 15 21:37:37 2003 From: Graham Trott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:38:02 +0000 Message-ID: <011701c3038e$d9c7dfa0$0a01a8c0@graham> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1762890984280910452==" --===============1762890984280910452== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Normalizing audio is a black art. So many music tracks start quiet and build up, often only reaching full volume right at the end. So the tool has to make a judgement as to which bit constitutes 'nominal' level. This is a highly subjective assessment, not easily subjected to an algorithm. Human perception of 'volume' is not well represented by a VU or PPM meter. For example, there's a common complaint about broadcasts that "the adverts are always louder than the program". How can this be - both are lined up using PPMs. A simple answer is to compress the ads, knocking out the peaks and boosting the mean power. Since peaks are what the PPM is measuring it's easily fooled. A good loudness meter takes account of many subjective, perceptual factors. Ears are relatively happy with sharp peaks; they contribute little to loudness, whereas a long sustained tone does. However, don't be put off; a lot of this is down at the nit-picky end where 'golden ears' quibble over the differences between 20-bit and 24-bit DACs. So I expect there's a tool that does the job well enough for most of us. One further question, though. If you normalise MP3 files you're reconverting them. At what point do you judge the consequent loss of quality to exceed the benefits of normalisation? -- GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "BenE" To: "ALUG Main (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Keith Watson wrote: > All I need to do now is sort out some way of normalising the volume levels across all of the tracks so that I'm not constantly > re-adjusting the volume all the time. Anyone come across something that will help with this? > I have come across a tool that will do that. Can't remember the name off hand, try searching sourceforge for 'normalize' or 'normalise'. It *may* just be an XMMS plugin though... --===============1762890984280910452==-- From toby@earth.li Tue Apr 15 21:54:03 2003 From: Toby Jaffey To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415204552.GA12061@twoey> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7222241153776216105==" --===============7222241153776216105== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 09:43:08PM +0100, BenE wrote: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Keith Watson wrote: > > All I need to do now is sort out some way of normalising the volume level= s across all of the tracks so that I'm not constantly > > re-adjusting the volume all the time. Anyone come across something that w= ill help with this? > I have come across a tool that will do that. Can't remember the name off > hand, try searching sourceforge for 'normalize' or 'normalise'. It *may* > just be an XMMS plugin though... This looks like something to do it: http://www.geocities.com/mp3gain/ -- ()=3D | Toby Jaffey : pkl.net/~trj //\ | "I'll need daily status reports on why you're so behind" -- v_/_ | Dilbert's boss --===============7222241153776216105==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 15 21:55:47 2003 From: BenE To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] P2P Search Engines Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:56:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0624388749910657352==" --===============0624388749910657352== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > BenE wrote: > > There's a thread on another list I'm on, with regards to the recent > > google stories on the register, about open source search engines. Has > > anyone had any experience of any? I notice theres a few about, but none > > I've heard of. > > Can you point me to that thread please? afraid not, the archive isn't available due to a major troll incident a while back (do a google on 'ian gomeche' if you want the gory details. He's an ex-norwich resident too). I could post (privately since there are quite a few) the erm...posts if you like, after I ask permission from the writers... >This sounds interesting, but > I can't find good material on it. A lot of the p2p search engine > suggestions I've seen aren't really p2p at all, but client-server with > clients sending back more information than normal. The thread was more of a 'wouldn't it be cool...' and the political side of it, so it may not help much. BenE --===============0624388749910657352==-- From abower@thebowery.co.uk Tue Apr 15 22:40:29 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:41:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030415214028.GB29481@thebowery.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8467029011485211697==" --===============8467029011485211697== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Just a confirmation that this meeting *is* going to happen. I will update the webpage when I get a chance. The venue is near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk IIR= C. The other meetings at Syleham (also Suffolk) are also still arranged for the = same dates as before (Sun May 18th, Sun Aug 17th and Sun 23rd Nov.)=20 Norwich dates are still to be confirmed, I will let everyone know more later. Adam --=20 jabberid =3D quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem --===============8467029011485211697==-- From syd@toufol.com Wed Apr 16 06:47:02 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:48:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304160644.18749.syd@toufol.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c30327$884ef670$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1660756312715170407==" --===============1660756312715170407== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > All I need to do now is sort out some way of normalising the > volume levels across all of the tracks Here is an article about using linux in a recording studio. This may not give the specific answer you're looking for but I'd assume that at least one of the apps mentioned must be capable of normalising. http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5847717353.html Worth a read as a linux success story too. Syd --===============1660756312715170407==-- From syd@toufol.com Wed Apr 16 06:56:17 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Linux Desktops comparative review Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304160653.46352.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9002209433697895154==" --===============9002209433697895154== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5747451177.html Linux desktops comparative review. Long, detailed, interesting. Could be worth forwarding to friends/colleages thinking of switching. Another comparative review on Open For Business http://www.ofb.biz less detailed and already outdated in some ways but also worth a look. Syd --===============9002209433697895154==-- From syd@toufol.com Wed Apr 16 07:01:55 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]newbie desktop distros Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304160659.23624.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3699678600152476971==" --===============3699678600152476971== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone used xandros, lindows or any similar distro? Very interested in any comments/experiences. I do realise all the disadvantages etc for the more knowledgable user - so pardon the heresy :-) Syd --===============3699678600152476971==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Wed Apr 16 09:04:31 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c303ef$115b9eb0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: <011701c3038e$d9c7dfa0$0a01a8c0@graham> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0884567706497890738==" --===============0884567706497890738== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Graham Trott > > One further question, though. If you normalise MP3 files you're > reconverting them. At what point do you judge the consequent loss of > quality to exceed the benefits of normalisation? > sorry, I should have said, I want to normalise the .WAV (i.e. uncompressed) f= iles. Just for the reason you've mentioned. However as a fan of 70s and 80s Heavy Metal, loss of quality is not an issue ;o) Regards [running away very fast], Keith ____________ A flash of lightning - into the gloom, the heron's cry. Basho --===============0884567706497890738==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Wed Apr 16 09:16:00 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:16:42 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c303f0$b23f8ed0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: <20030415204552.GA12061@twoey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0873245919960351886==" --===============0873245919960351886== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Toby Jaffey > On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 09:43:08PM +0100, BenE wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Keith Watson wrote: > > > All I need to do now is sort out some way of normalising > > > the volume levels across all of the tracks so that I'm not constantly > > > re-adjusting the volume all the time. Anyone come across > > >something that will help with this? > > > > I have come across a tool that will do that. Can't remember the name off > > hand, try searching sourceforge for 'normalize' or 'normalise'. It *may* > > just be an XMMS plugin though... > > This looks like something to do it: > http://www.geocities.com/mp3gain/ yes, there seems to be quite a few, now I know what to look for i.e. normali[= sz]e, I can do some serious searching. There are also a couple that are Debian packages, including on called 'normalize' that look = very interesting and operate directly on uncompressed audio files. Regards, Keith ____________ The natural order of things includes us, and its laws are our laws. We are an endless moving stream in an endless moving stream. Jisho Warner --===============0873245919960351886==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Wed Apr 16 11:54:35 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c30406$8a901880$0a28a8c0@martynxp> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0754427872381408644==" --===============0754427872381408644== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote on 15 April 2003 11:56: > Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? > Nothing particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site > for some friends and myself. I've decided to enter into the foray of web hosting offers, and I'd like to offer Aluggers a bargin hosting fee of £3.50 per month (or if you want to pay annually, £35) for an account which offers the following features:- - 150Mb web space - 5Gb data transfer per month - 1 hosted domain, 1 sub-domain and 1 parked domain - 2 MySQL databases - 2 MailMan mailing lists - 10 POP3 email addresses - CGI access along with PHP 4.3.1 support - Ultra easy to install phpBB2 forums - Email forwarding and autoresponders - Email blocking and filtering including Spam Assassin spam filter - CPanel 6 control panel to manage the account - Frontpage extensions (of course, *entirely* optional) - Web stats, etc. If you need any more web space, MySQL databases, mailing lists or whatever, then that's not a problem - I can arrange whatever is required for a good fee. I'm working on the possibility of shell access, but for the time being there isn't. However, the site would be hosted on a Red Hat 7.3 box in the US and I've not had any problems with the provider that I'm using for this. Payments by Paypal, Nochex, Fastpay or personal cheque/P.O. If anybody should be interested in this, please email me off list. Regards, Martyn (trying to be an ISP again - I miss it!) --===============0754427872381408644==-- From S.Jude@uea.ac.uk Wed Apr 16 12:36:52 2003 From: Simon Jude To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:37:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c30406$8a901880$0a28a8c0@martynxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8490761945427792334==" --===============8490761945427792334== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everybody who has posted suggestions about web hosting. I have temporarily set the domain we have to redirect to one of my websites. In the longer term I may take up one of the offers of low cost hosting, although a broadband connection and a linux box may be an option. Is this latter option easy to do and which broadband suppliers allow static ip addresses?? Simon --===============8490761945427792334==-- From adam@Drakken.com Wed Apr 16 12:41:10 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:42:01 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106873@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0311132927971372232==" --===============0311132927971372232== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > although a broadband connection and a linux box may be an > option. Is this > latter option easy to do and which broadband suppliers allow static ip > addresses?? I used to do this with Eclipse internet ( http://www.eclipse.net.uk ) they don't do any port blocking and have no restrictions on servers etc. they even setup reverse DNS for me for free. Adam --===============0311132927971372232==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 16 12:48:30 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Bulk MP3 Conversion Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c303ef$115b9eb0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3381397515399619181==" --===============3381397515399619181== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Watson wrote: > sorry, I should have said, I want to normalise the .WAV > (i.e. uncompressed) files. Just for the reason you've mentioned. However I think there's wavtools which has one to do that, as well as lots of other odd effects. --===============3381397515399619181==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Wed Apr 16 12:50:10 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:51:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3E9D43BE.1040008@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3245955040080264411==" --===============3245955040080264411== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simon Jude wrote: > Thanks to everybody who has posted suggestions about web hosting. I have > temporarily set the domain we have to redirect to one of my websites. In > the longer term I may take up one of the offers of low cost hosting, > although a broadband connection and a linux box may be an option. Is this > latter option easy to do and which broadband suppliers allow static ip > addresses?? Bear in mind that your upstream speed on ADSL is only 256kbs, regardless of=20 your downstream speed. SDSL is different (but not available outside London=20 yet), as is a leased line (which is what we have here: 2mbs each way). You should also bear in mind the possible consequences of "low-cost" hosting.= =20 I've been there, which is one reason I started running an ISP. I get almost=20 all my business by referral, and a large proportion of that is people who've = been burnt by the various problems of low-cost/US-based hosting. I've seen outfits offering hosting for less than 2 quid a month. I fail to=20 see how they can offer any support at all in that, or how there can be any=20 semblence of service in it. When I got quotes for my line, they ranged from=20 =C2=A312Kpa to =C2=A335kpa. It would be cheaper to go to some outfit like rac= kspace and=20 have a Cobalt RAQ (yuk) or a Dead Rat box (double-yukk) in the US, but=20 there's no hope of service or knowing they are secure. One reason I won't do "low-cost" hosting is that I offer secure, fast,=20 UK-based hosting, with personal service and support, based on Gentoo Linux.=20 If I charged less than 2 quid a month, I wouldn't survive in business more=20 than 5 minutes. YMMV. Cheers, Laurie. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============3245955040080264411==-- From gt@pobox.com Wed Apr 16 12:59:53 2003 From: Graham Trott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:00:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c3040f$b0d81e80$0a01a8c0@graham> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106873@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6875732611667009544==" --===============6875732611667009544== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------------------------------------------- > although a broadband connection and a linux box may be an > option. Is this > latter option easy to do and which broadband suppliers allow static ip > addresses?? I used to do this with Eclipse internet ( http://www.eclipse.net.uk ) they don't do any port blocking and have no restrictions on servers etc. they even setup reverse DNS for me for free. Adam -------------------------------------------- Zen Internet (http://www.zen.co.uk) offer a similar facility. Their 'home' service allows small business use (i.e.servers) and you can have 8 static IP addresses for the basic price. Consult the ADSL Guide (http://www.adslguide.org) for comparisons; I think Eclipse and Zen are usually among the leaders. And yes, it is easy to do. Just plug in and go. Make sure you get an appropriate modem/router, though; avoid the USB models like the plague. Zen supplied me a Draytek Vigor 2600, which is a 4-port router, modem and firewall. Not cheap (~£170) but buying from the ISP guarantees you support. -- GT --===============6875732611667009544==-- From adam@Drakken.com Wed Apr 16 13:09:50 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106874@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5760509989161431977==" --===============5760509989161431977== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Trott [mailto:gt(a)pobox.com] > And yes, it is easy to do. Just plug in and go. Make sure you get an > appropriate modem/router, though; avoid the USB models like > the plague. Zen What do you have against the USB modems? I was quite happy with my Alcatel frog running under Linux, I got some very nice uptimes with it and the only reason they weren't longer was due to the electricity having a key meter... I actually prefer the modem terminating on a linux pc rather than through a router as you can see network traffic directly on the DSL interface rather than being abstracted by ethernet. Adam --===============5760509989161431977==-- From jmb@paston.co.uk Wed Apr 16 13:43:53 2003 From: jmb@paston.co.uk To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]newbie desktop distros Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:53:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030416124614.GB12356@purple.paston.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200304160659.23624.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8483803025803377146==" --===============8483803025803377146== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 06:59:23AM +0100, Syd Hancock wrote: > Has anyone used xandros, lindows or any similar distro? Yes - See below. > Very interested in any comments/experiences. > > I do realise all the disadvantages etc for the more knowledgable > user - so pardon the heresy :-) Heh. My mum and dad both now use free-er software than they did when using Microsoft based systems, and both are happy with the increased reliablility. Dad is reasonably eager to learn more about the unlying system - mum cares as little about the under lying system as she did when using windows. Either way i'd score it as a win for Free Software, or at least a scoredraw. I've installed/used Desktop/LX (www.lycoris.com) which is RedHat based, and also the Debian based Xandros (www.xandros.com). Desktop/LX - Downloaded a CD image and burnt it. - Installer: Pretty reasonable. Has auto detected everything on all but one machine i've installed it on - it screwed up on a fairly new and very poor embedded graphics card to the point where i went and got Xandros, of which more later. Partioning was easy enough. IIRC you could choose your user level, and the sorts of things you were likely to want, from which it chose to install various utils and environments. A nice touch is the game of solitare it gives you to play while you wait for the installer to finish. Better than looking at endlessly looping billboards anyway. Desktop: KDE based, with a different icon set - a fancy looking windows XP-alike one. The familiar (to existing users) cogwheel of the KDE 'start' menu is replaced by a flower, and there's a 'My Linux System' type icon on the desktop, which gives access to drives and other bits and pieces. The Kontrol Center has had a new interface added, to make it more XP-ish, grouping the settings panels into wider catagories. Quite friendly if you don't know exactly what you're looking for. By default I think you get 4 desktops, each of which can obviously have different proggies running on them. The default web browser is Mozilla, and the KOffice suite is also provided, IIRC. Updates: Via a graphical interface, but you need to pay to play it seems. I did, and it didn't - this may be because of my downloaded version of the software tho. Novice (linux) User Comments: Dad: "Comfortable looking - obvious where things are." Mum: "Looks like what i used to use." Housemate: "I managed to install it in 40 mins - woah" Windows: If you're interested in windows compatibility, it's not bad - you can easily mount samba shares, and talk to samba printers - you can also run some windows proggies with the supplied version of wine, but in order to get a couple of bits of my dad's software installed I had to download and install a new RPM with the latest version in. License: IIRC, it's entirely Free, but I could be wrong. Xandros - Bought from a UK supplier, who's name i've now forgotten. - Installer: Fantastic - Have yet to trip it up, even on my dodgy new Toys-R-Us laptop everything was detected. Looks slick, and on a blank system with an express install only asks 5 questions before installing the system. An expert install allows more control over partitioning and software to install. One note on partitioning is that the installer does not (yet) allow the resizing of windows partitions, which is contrary to what is said on the box and on the website. Either that or i'm missing something. Which is possible. No game of solitare here either. Desktop: Another KDE clone, this time with a 'Launch' button with the xandros 'X' symbol on it - fairly familiar layout of icons, including a 'My Computer' clone, and a 'network neighborhood' clone. The Xandros File Manager (XFM) is quite cool as graphical file managers go - windows users will be quite at home with it. One interface can be used to copy files between CDs, floppys, HDs, Samba and NFS shares and FTP sites. I also merrily recognised and displayed my Fuji Camera, which acts as a standard USB Mass storage device. You can also do such wonderful things as right clicking on folders in XFM and go to properties, in order to update permissions and share things as samba shares. Internet dialup was easy, once we gave up on an internal winmodem, alltho I have to say that the support we got in trying to get this to work was fantastic. There are 4 desktops set by default, each with a different colouration to let you know where you are easily. Mozilla is the default for web and mail. Koffice and abiword are supplied, and OpenOffice can be easily downloaded from the Xandros Archive, or from a standard Debian repositry. Updates: From xandros or debian apt archives, via a very usable graphical apt tool. Could do with a little bit of interface tweaking to make it a bit more intuitive, but it was worked out fairly quickly. Novice (linux) User Comments: Dad: "Fantastic - very professional looking - wouldn't be out of place in a corporate workplace" Mum: See above Housemate: "no solitare on this installer. that sucks" Windows: Xandros is available in it's more expensive form with Crossover Office, which pretty flawlessly runs a given set of normally windows based software. Once we'd installed a version of wine from deb unstable (which wasn't as hard as it sounds, using the graphical tool) we also managed to run a plethora of dad's accounting and office manager type software. License: This is the sticker - it's not all Free, specifically the Crossover Office and XFM bits. In terms of installation you're allowed to install it on any number of home PCs, and 1 business PC. Hope this helps. Cheers, John -- This space intentionally left blank --===============8483803025803377146==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Wed Apr 16 13:46:22 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:47:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3E9D50EF.2000708@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106874@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9177062180384944774==" --===============9177062180384944774== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Adam Bower wrote: > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Graham Trott [mailto:gt(a)pobox.com] > > >>And yes, it is easy to do. Just plug in and go. Make sure you get an >>appropriate modem/router, though; avoid the USB models like >>the plague. Zen > > > What do you have against the USB modems? I was quite happy with my Alcatel > frog running under Linux, I got some very nice uptimes with it and the only > reason they weren't longer was due to the electricity having a key meter... > I actually prefer the modem terminating on a linux pc rather than through a > router as you can see network traffic directly on the DSL interface rather > than being abstracted by ethernet. One of my customers has just bought a new BT ADSL line, and was supplied with an Intel Anypoint 3240, which is a) USB, and b) completely incompatible (as far as I can find on the net) with Linux. I don't think that BT supply the Alcatel unit any more. I've found another RJ45 modem/router which is Linux compatible, sold by Scan (amongst others) for £55 inc VAT. It's the MRI ADSL Router + Ethernet, and looks just the job. I'll be fitting it to a standard Linux firewall next week, so we'll see. I agree, the USB ones, unless there's a (known, good) driver, are the spawn of the devil. Ethernet is just so much easier to set up... Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============9177062180384944774==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Wed Apr 16 13:57:12 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:58:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c30417$aa8de250$0a28a8c0@martynxp> In-Reply-To: <3E9D50EF.2000708@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5934917738144464046==" --===============5934917738144464046== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote on 16 April 2003 13:48: > One of my customers has just bought a new BT ADSL line, and was > supplied with an Intel Anypoint 3240, which is a) USB, and b) > completely incompatible (as far as I can find on the net) with Linux. > I don't think that BT supply the Alcatel unit any more. > > I've found another RJ45 modem/router which is Linux compatible, sold > by Scan (amongst others) for £55 inc VAT. It's the MRI ADSL Router + > Ethernet, and looks just the job. I'll be fitting it to a standard > Linux firewall next week, so we'll see. > > I agree, the USB ones, unless there's a (known, good) driver, are the > spawn of the devil. Ethernet is just so much easier to set up... The ADSL connections provided by my work come with Intel Anypoint modems and consequently we will be in the process of replacing them with Draytek routers (which also do VPN). They're cheap and they've got a good feature set on them for the price.. Regards, MArtyn --===============5934917738144464046==-- From lists@andrewsavory.com Wed Apr 16 14:09:56 2003 From: Andrew Savory To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]newbie desktop distros Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030416124614.GB12356@purple.paston.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9055048490662107363==" --===============9055048490662107363== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, John Billings wrote: > License: This is the sticker - it's not all Free, specifically the > Crossover Office and XFM bits. But the great thing about paying (indirectly) for non-Free Crossover is that you're funding Wine development (which _is_ Free), and therefore providing people with the tools needed to make the migration to linux. So it's really not all bad ;-) Andrew. -- All views are my own .... who else would want them? --===============9055048490662107363==-- From gt@pobox.com Wed Apr 16 14:12:39 2003 From: Graham Trott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: <003901c30419$db070630$0a01a8c0@graham> In-Reply-To: <3E9D50EF.2000708@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9150213016353407504==" --===============9150213016353407504== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------------------------------------------- > What do you have against the USB modems? I was quite happy with my Alcatel > frog running under Linux, I got some very nice uptimes with it and the only > reason they weren't longer was due to the electricity having a key meter... > I actually prefer the modem terminating on a linux pc rather than through a > router as you can see network traffic directly on the DSL interface rather > than being abstracted by ethernet. One of my customers has just bought a new BT ADSL line, and was supplied with an Intel Anypoint 3240, which is a) USB, and b) completely incompatible (as far as I can find on the net) with Linux. I don't think that BT supply the Alcatel unit any more. I've found another RJ45 modem/router which is Linux compatible, sold by Scan (amongst others) for £55 inc VAT. It's the MRI ADSL Router + Ethernet, and looks just the job. I'll be fitting it to a standard Linux firewall next week, so we'll see. I agree, the USB ones, unless there's a (known, good) driver, are the spawn of the devil. Ethernet is just so much easier to set up... Cheers, Laurie. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Well answered. To which I'd add that low-cost modems don't offer a lot of flexibility. They may be fine for dynamic IP but with static you usually want more control than they offer. Such as multiple NAT mixed with fixed IP. I'm no kind of an expert, but I lurked on an ADSL list for a while. Some posts reckon cheap routers make services such as MSN Messenger or VPN impossible to use. Since this was a once-off purchase I decided not to be cheap (for once). The Draytek was easy to set up (there's a remote management mode so the tech guy at Zen did much of it for me on an 0870 call) and has since been very boring indeed. I run a couple of servers behind it on fixed routable addresses, plus a network of Linux, Windows and wi-fi Zaurus mostly with dynamic IP. There's nothing to stop you putting your own firewall on it if you don't like what it offers. The only downside is the documentation is unsuited to novices like me, so it'll take me yonks to make full use of it. -- GT --===============9150213016353407504==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Wed Apr 16 14:12:55 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:13:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3E9D572E.6010504@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: <000101c30417$aa8de250$0a28a8c0@martynxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0201309973363252877==" --===============0201309973363252877== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Martyn Drake wrote: > main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote on 16 April 2003 13:48: > > >>One of my customers has just bought a new BT ADSL line, and was >>supplied with an Intel Anypoint 3240, which is a) USB, and b) >>completely incompatible (as far as I can find on the net) with Linux. >>I don't think that BT supply the Alcatel unit any more. >> >>I've found another RJ45 modem/router which is Linux compatible, sold >>by Scan (amongst others) for £55 inc VAT. It's the MRI ADSL Router + >>Ethernet, and looks just the job. I'll be fitting it to a standard >>Linux firewall next week, so we'll see. >> >>I agree, the USB ones, unless there's a (known, good) driver, are the >>spawn of the devil. Ethernet is just so much easier to set up... > > > The ADSL connections provided by my work come with Intel Anypoint modems and > consequently we will be in the process of replacing them with Draytek > routers (which also do VPN). They're cheap and they've got a good feature > set on them for the price.. Those'll be the Draytek Vigor 2600s I suppose. They really look the business, but I still prefer a "real" iptables firewall I can manage and control from afar, so that's what we install. The main problem I have with the built-in stuff like all these firewall/router/NAT/dhcp/DNS/etc things is vulnerabilities. They rarely come up in bugtraq, and I'm sure it's not because they are so secure. I think it's a reflection of the userbase not being technical or trying to break them. With a standard Linux box running iptables/snort I know where I am, and what I need to do. Just a preference... Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============0201309973363252877==-- From adam@Drakken.com Wed Apr 16 14:20:41 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:21:01 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106876@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6890870484565011779==" --===============6890870484565011779== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Graham Trott [mailto:gt(a)pobox.com] > Well answered. To which I'd add that low-cost modems don't > offer a lot of > flexibility. They may be fine for dynamic IP but with static > you usually > want more control than they offer. Hmmm, I think the complete opposite of this an adsl router will give you less flexibilty than an adaptor (either usb pci etc.) directly into a linux box. With a linux box acting as a router you can do *anything* you wish with the static ip that you are given such as run any kind of VPN you like and enjoy the far more advanced Linux firewall options. If you have to have connections natted through the router then you lose lots of the flexibility you get from having static ip addresses. Adam --===============6890870484565011779==-- From adam@Drakken.com Wed Apr 16 14:23:31 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:24:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106877@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4666739804305280915==" --===============4666739804305280915== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Laurie Brown [mailto:laurie(a)brownowl.com] > The main problem I have with the built-in stuff like all these > firewall/router/NAT/dhcp/DNS/etc things is vulnerabilities. > They rarely come > up in bugtraq, and I'm sure it's not because they are so > secure. I think it's > a reflection of the userbase not being technical or trying to > break them. > With a standard Linux box running iptables/snort I know where > I am, and what > I need to do. Just a preference... This is the main reason why I avoided getting a router and went directly for the USB option (I liked the blinky lights on the external and there was no pci ADSL modem available at the time for linux) I really do not trust these embedded devices to be secure and they seemed rather expensive when they would do less than what I could do with my usb modem. Adam --===============4666739804305280915==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Wed Apr 16 16:36:19 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Web hosting Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:37:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c3042d$e6a35890$0a28a8c0@martynxp> In-Reply-To: <3E9D572E.6010504@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2997086665802852891==" --===============2997086665802852891== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurie Brown wrote on 16 April 2003 14:14: > Those'll be the Draytek Vigor 2600s I suppose. They really look the > business, but I still prefer a "real" iptables firewall I can manage > and control from afar, so that's what we install. Yes - both the wireless and non-wired variety. While I agree with you entirely that a proper Linux firewall solution is best, we do not have the luxury of having everybody behind a Linux box at home (particularly the engineering department who are primarily made of Windows XP laptop and Mac users). > The main problem I have with the built-in stuff like all these > firewall/router/NAT/dhcp/DNS/etc things is vulnerabilities. They > rarely come up in bugtraq, and I'm sure it's not because they are so > secure. I think it's a reflection of the userbase not being technical > or trying to break them. With a standard Linux box running > iptables/snort I know where I am, and what I need to do. Just a > preference... Again, agreed on all points. The firmware on these things isn't open-source either, so you can't simply have a read of the source code to see if anything looks suspect or just plain wrong. However, I've never came across a security flaw yet with these things, but it's only a matter of time, as they say.... Regards, Martyn --===============2997086665802852891==-- From lxs@sdf-eu.org Wed Apr 16 17:21:35 2003 From: Alexis Lee To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Routers Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:22:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030416161948.GA8907@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4186514614959825878==" --===============4186514614959825878== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vaguely re: the web hosting discussion... the subject of all-in routers came up. I'm thinking about getting a Buffalo Tech. ADSL/wireless/VPN router thing. Most people seem to think very highly of the Draytek ones, but this one comes in at about 100UKP which is a distinct advantage in my mind. Anyone used one of these, or have opinions for some other reason? They use the 802.11g (not)standard, which hasn't been finalised. However, apparently they have back compatibility with 802.11b and Buffalo T guarantee to fix them up to comply when g is standardised. I don't really care about b or g though, as long as they don't break down all the time. Cheers, Alexis -- "We can't spell FAILURE without U R A!" - despair.com "The purpose of words is to convey ideas. When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten. Where is the man who has forgotten words?" - Chuang-Tzu --===============4186514614959825878==-- From lxs@sdf-eu.org Wed Apr 16 17:21:53 2003 From: Alexis Lee To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:22:31 +0000 Message-ID: <20030416162022.GB8907@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8627474204340394024==" --===============8627474204340394024== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Been looking thru adslguide.org for an ADSL ISP. Virgin.net look good.. any testimonials, good or bad? Cheers, Alexis -- Failure- When your best just isn't good enough. "The human brain is a wonderful thing. It starts working the moment you are born, and never stops until you stand up to speak in public" - Sir G Jessel --===============8627474204340394024==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Wed Apr 16 18:01:11 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030416170100.GF5633@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <20030416162022.GB8907@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3712510884440701265==" --===============3712510884440701265== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 05:20:22PM +0100, Alexis Lee wrote: > Been looking thru adslguide.org for an ADSL ISP. Virgin.net look good.. > any testimonials, good or bad? Do yourself a favour, join either nildram or AA. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============3712510884440701265==-- From jamie.french@talk21.com Wed Apr 16 19:16:35 2003 From: Jamie French To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Routers Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:17:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c30446$07864e10$0b07a8c0@bits.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030416161948.GA8907@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5551007736325632385==" --===============5551007736325632385== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Though I haven't used a Draytek or even wireless communication, I can recommend Solwise routers and the exceptional service they provide. I presently use their SAR715 router/switch, which works a treat. They do offer a SAR715-PW as their wireless/router solution which may be of interest. http://www.solwise.co.uk/modems.htm#SAR715 Hope this helps. Jamie P.S. You probably know this site already, http://www.adslguide.org/hardware/reviews/ , if not it is a good reference for hardware reviews. -----Original Message----- From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Alexis Lee Sent: 16 April 2003 17:20 To: ALUG Subject: [Alug]Routers Vaguely re: the web hosting discussion... the subject of all-in routers came up. I'm thinking about getting a Buffalo Tech. ADSL/wireless/VPN router thing. Most people seem to think very highly of the Draytek ones, but this one comes in at about 100UKP which is a distinct advantage in my mind. Anyone used one of these, or have opinions for some other reason? They use the 802.11g (not)standard, which hasn't been finalised. However, apparently they have back compatibility with 802.11b and Buffalo T guarantee to fix them up to comply when g is standardised. I don't really care about b or g though, as long as they don't break down all the time. Cheers, Alexis -- "We can't spell FAILURE without U R A!" - despair.com "The purpose of words is to convey ideas. When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten. Where is the man who has forgotten words?" - Chuang-Tzu _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============5551007736325632385==-- From kpwatson@ukfsn.org Wed Apr 16 22:27:55 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030416222933.48b37ace.kpwatson@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4738948304492435489==" --===============4738948304492435489== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just filenames prefi= xed with directory paths. Can anyone think of a way to get the same listing within a bash shell? Keith --===============4738948304492435489==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 16 23:01:11 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030416222933.48b37ace.kpwatson@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8371878257297444572==" --===============8371878257297444572== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith Watson wrote: > In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just filenames pre= fixed > with directory paths. Can you give an example? I only remember using /p and /w to dir. --===============8371878257297444572==-- From lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Wed Apr 16 23:03:24 2003 From: Steve Fosdick To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'? Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:04:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030416230250.24843d62.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030416222933.48b37ace.kpwatson@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6838817509829392405==" --===============6838817509829392405== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:29:33 +0100 Keith Watson wrote: > In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just > filenames prefixed with directory paths. I can't remember what the output of 'dir /s /b' looks like but possible thins= g to try are: ls -R ls -lR find . -type f find . -type f | xargs ls -l Steve. --===============6838817509829392405==-- From lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Wed Apr 16 23:22:16 2003 From: Steve Fosdick To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] NTL Broadband Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:23:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030416232144.543f2c6e.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200301082117.59833.mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2720277314546722900==" --===============2720277314546722900== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:17:59 +0000 BenEBoy wrote: > As an aside, why does PPP install resolv.conf in /etc/ppp when it > expects to find it in /etc. It's just taken me an embarressingly long > time to figure that one out :-) I can't say for sure, but I would guess it is to give you extra flexibility. If your only network connection is via PPP and you have no DNS cache then the resolv.conf written by PPP is probably right for you and you could make the system always use it by making /etc/resolv.conf a symbolic link to it, or making /etc/ppp/resolv.conf a symbolic link to /etc/resolv.conf If you have a more complex configuation you have the opportunity to run a script from /etc/ppp/ip-up.d to take the contents of /etc/ppp/resolv.conf and build them into the config for your DNS cache, or combine with other entries before generating the real /etc/resolv.conf. Steve. --===============2720277314546722900==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Thu Apr 17 09:09:28 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:10:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c304b8$f2d78510$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0585726253437085568==" --===============0585726253437085568== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: MJ Ray > Keith Watson wrote: > > In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just filenames p= refixed > > with directory paths. >=20 > Can you give an example? I only remember using /p and /w to dir. >=20 No problem; D:\>dir /b /s \Test1 D:\Test1\Cat D:\Test1\Cow D:\Test1\Dog D:\Test1\Pig D:\Test1\foo.bar D:\Test1\foo1.bar D:\Test1\foo2.bar D:\Test1\foo3.bar D:\Test1\foo4.bar D:\Test1\foo5.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Diamond D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby D:\Test1\Cat\Diamond\foo.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald\foo1.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald\foo2.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald\foo4.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald\foo5.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald\foo6.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl\foo.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl\foo1.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl\foo2.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl\foo4.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo1.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo10.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo2.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo4.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo5.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo6.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo7.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo8.bar D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby\foo9.bar D:\Test1\Cow\foo.bar D:\Test1\Cow\foo1.bar D:\Test1\Cow\foo10.bar D:\Test1\Cow\foo2.bar D:\Test1\Cow\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Apple D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana D:\Test1\Dog\foo.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Orange D:\Test1\Dog\Pear D:\Test1\Dog\Plum D:\Test1\Dog\Apple\foo.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Apple\foo1.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Apple\foo7.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Apple\foo8.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Apple\foo9.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Curry D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\foo10.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Stew D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Curry\foo2.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Stew\foo.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Stew\foo10.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Stew\foo2.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Stew\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Stew\foo5.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Bannana\Stew\foo6.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Orange\foo.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Orange\foo10.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Orange\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Orange\foo5.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Orange\foo7.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Orange\foo9.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Pear\foo.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Pear\foo1.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Pear\foo10.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Pear\foo2.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Plum\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Plum\foo4.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Plum\foo5.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Plum\foo6.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Plum\foo7.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Plum\foo8.bar D:\Test1\Dog\Plum\foo9.bar D:\Test1\Pig\foo.bar D:\Test1\Pig\foo3.bar D:\Test1\Pig\foo4.bar D:\Test1\Pig\foo5.bar D:\Test1\Pig\foo6.bar D:\Test1\Pig\foo8.bar D:\Test1\Pig\foo9.bar Keith=20 ____________ Even before I can say it, it is no more. Sengai --===============0585726253437085568==-- From lxs@sdf-eu.org Thu Apr 17 09:20:01 2003 From: Alexis Lee To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:20:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417081828.GB7137@sdf-eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20030416170100.GF5633@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7108088185591975892==" --===============7108088185591975892== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 06:01:00PM +0100, Craig wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 05:20:22PM +0100, Alexis Lee wrote: > > Been looking thru adslguide.org for an ADSL ISP. Virgin.net look good.. > > any testimonials, good or bad? > > Do yourself a favour, join either nildram or AA. Why? And is AA the full name? I haven't heard of them. Cheers, Alexis -- If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. "Think of how stupid the average person is. Now realize that by definition HALF of the population is even STUPIDER." - Lex --===============7108088185591975892==-- From jonathan.dye@automationpartnership.com Thu Apr 17 09:24:57 2003 From: Jonathan Dye To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:25:01 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3938738422945834415==" --===============3938738422945834415== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith Watson wrote: >> From: MJ Ray >> Keith Watson wrote: >>> In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just >>> filenames prefixed with directory paths. >> >> Can you give an example? I only remember using /p and /w to dir. >> > > No problem; > > D:\>dir /b /s \Test1 > > D:\Test1\Cat > D:\Test1\Cow > D:\Test1\Dog > D:\Test1\Pig > D:\Test1\foo.bar > D:\Test1\foo1.bar > D:\Test1\foo2.bar > D:\Test1\foo3.bar > D:\Test1\foo4.bar > D:\Test1\foo5.bar > D:\Test1\Cat\Diamond > D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald > D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl > D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby [...] How about: find /Test1 JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service --===============3938738422945834415==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Thu Apr 17 09:30:56 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:31:02 +0000 Message-ID: <007701c304bb$abf45da0$060f10ac@akutan> In-Reply-To: <20030417081828.GB7137@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4665685008345024831==" --===============4665685008345024831== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 06:01:00PM +0100, Craig wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 05:20:22PM +0100, Alexis Lee wrote: >>> Been looking thru adslguide.org for an ADSL ISP. Virgin.net look >>> good.. any testimonials, good or bad? >> >> Do yourself a favour, join either nildram or AA. > > Why? > > And is AA the full name? I haven't heard of them. Andrews & Arnold Internet? Regards, Martyn --===============4665685008345024831==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 17 09:37:17 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:38:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417083621.GA4414@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <20030417081828.GB7137@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1272896716519414137==" --===============1272896716519414137== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 09:18:28AM +0100, Alexis Lee wrote: > > Do yourself a favour, join either nildram or AA. > > Why? A lot of people I have spoken to recommend those ISP. If you check their customer service on adslguide.org.uk (I think it is around there). You will notice they are very helpful. Same goes for AA. Mind you, the coolest thing about AA is that they txt you if they are having service problems. Useful if you are at work, somewhere in the UK etc. > And is AA the full name? I haven't heard of them. Andrew and Arnolds. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============1272896716519414137==-- From Keith.Watson@Kewill.com Thu Apr 17 10:07:58 2003 From: Keith Watson To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'? Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:08:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c304c1$17c854f0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7788431511565199869==" --===============7788431511565199869== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Jonathan Dye > Keith Watson wrote: > >> From: MJ Ray > >> Keith Watson wrote: > >>> In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just > >>> filenames prefixed with directory paths. > >> > >> Can you give an example? I only remember using /p and /w to dir. > > > > No problem; > > > > D:\>dir /b /s \Test1 > > > > D:\Test1\Cat > > D:\Test1\Cow > > D:\Test1\Dog > > D:\Test1\Pig > > D:\Test1\foo.bar > > D:\Test1\foo1.bar > > D:\Test1\foo2.bar > > D:\Test1\foo3.bar > > D:\Test1\foo4.bar > > D:\Test1\foo5.bar > [...] > > How about: > > find /Test1 > That's it!! Brilliant! Great! Trouble with Unix is that sometimes the answers are so simple you can't see t= hem for looking. I'd tried just about every combination of 'ls' and its operands I could think= of but hadn't considered 'find'. (Mind you I now know a lot more about 'ls' than I really want to know :o) ) Regards, Keith ____________ Each of us must journey through the dots, beyond the dots, and to the truth, = alone. Russell Hoban --===============7788431511565199869==-- From lxs@sdf-eu.org Thu Apr 17 11:25:30 2003 From: Alexis Lee To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:26:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417102351.GG7137@sdf-eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20030417083621.GA4414@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8502032653067723695==" --===============8502032653067723695== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 09:36:21AM +0100, Craig wrote: > Mind you, the coolest thing about AA is that they txt you if they are > having service problems. Useful if you are at work, somewhere in the UK That is neat. Metronet seem interesting actually... there's been a bit of a furor here over NTL's bandwidth cap, which is fair enough really. MetroNet have gone the other way - rather than penalise you if you exceed ~6Gbpcm, they charge you less if you don't. So if you go away for a month, you'll only pay ten squid! Capped at 24, so it won't spiral out of control. Cheers, Alexis -- "Modernism itself was a kind of hammer" - http://www.wall.org/~larry/pm.html "I think she must have been very strictly brought up, she's so desperately anxious to do the wrong thing correctly" - Saki, 'Reginald on Worries' --===============8502032653067723695==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 17 12:31:54 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:32:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417113138.GA32356@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <20030417102351.GG7137@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4265401743277854063==" --===============4265401743277854063== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 11:23:51AM +0100, Alexis Lee wrote: > Metronet seem interesting actually... there's been a bit of a furor here > over NTL's bandwidth cap, which is fair enough really. MetroNet have > gone the other way - rather than penalise you if you exceed ~6Gbpcm, > they charge you less if you don't. So if you go away for a month, you'll > only pay ten squid! Capped at 24, so it won't spiral out of control. Look at Nildram's special 1mb adsl offering. 150gig limit a month. Which is around 5 gig a day though. Reports that people don't actually reach that mark at all (straight from nildram's mouth). Only 40ukp a month... so it is worth considering.... -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============4265401743277854063==-- From lxs@sdf-eu.org Thu Apr 17 13:03:45 2003 From: Alexis Lee To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417120211.GA22455@sdf-eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20030417113138.GA32356@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4077176280391658344==" --===============4077176280391658344== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 12:31:38PM +0100, Craig wrote: > Look at Nildram's special 1mb adsl offering. 150gig limit a month. Which > is around 5 gig a day though. Reports that people don't actually reach > that mark at all (straight from nildram's mouth). > > Only 40ukp a month... so it is worth considering.... That's pretty good, yes... used to be that 512/256 was �50! And people called that cheap! 5GB/day... that's complete Debian ISOs every day (600*7=4200MB) leaving 800MB. Minus 8 hours of MP3s (480MB), you still have 320MB for reading Slashdot. Oh well, I guess it had to give somewhere... Cheers, Alexis -- "If you don't strike oil in twenty minutes, stop boring." - Andrew Carnegie "But the Emperor has nothing on at all!" cried a little child - Hans Christian Anderson --===============4077176280391658344==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 17 13:25:45 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:26:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417122530.GA31485@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <20030417120211.GA22455@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7702258530720902640==" --===============7702258530720902640== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 01:02:11PM +0100, Alexis Lee wrote: > That's pretty good, yes... used to be that 512/256 was =A350! And people > called that cheap! > > 5GB/day... that's complete Debian ISOs every day (600*7=3D4200MB) leaving > 800MB. Minus 8 hours of MP3s (480MB), you still have 320MB for reading > Slashdot. Oh well, I guess it had to give somewhere... Good thing with that offer is that you can try it out for a month at least. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============7702258530720902640==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 15:52:13 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106849@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8148889252415796958==" --===============8148889252415796958== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Bower wrote: > Ummm, from what I read the utility they provide "auto-updates" by you having > to run it, no different from using apt-get really. Automated rather than automatic. That's something, I guess. > [...] and out of interest which of the GFX manufacturers warez would > you seek to procure in their place? AFAICT there are no GFX card > manufacturers out there who provide full real free software support for > their products :( Oh. I just had someone raving at me about the latest ATI cards (currently out around the 250-300 quid mark?) but I don't think even their support is full under free software at the moment. MJR --===============8148889252415796958==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 15:54:41 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c30290$d8da7ed0$79cca8c0@kst068nt4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1452172894809138116==" --===============1452172894809138116== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith Watson wrote: > BTW I see the forum coffee bar stays open until midnight (and has a drinks = license - for those who care) so The Forum might be a > possibility, especially as you can park all night after 6pm for a pound. Sounds good (evening meetings in general). Was there a conclusion that needs adding to the wiki and web site, or is this with Adam now? MJR --===============1452172894809138116==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 15:56:07 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030415214028.GB29481@thebowery.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4774776359457626769==" --===============4774776359457626769== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam Bower wrote: > Just a confirmation that this meeting *is* going to happen. I will update t= he > webpage when I get a chance. The venue is near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk I= IRC. Do we have a topic? An external speaker? What do people want? Adam, I think you are OK to send me patches for the web site? Who else wants to write pages for the web site? MJR --===============4774776359457626769==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 15:58:57 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] P2P Search Engines Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:59:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7752679287076962154==" --===============7752679287076962154== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BenE wrote: > He's an ex-norwich resident too). I could post (privately since there are > quite a few) the erm...posts if you like, after I ask permission from the > writers... Please. Even just yours would probably be interesting. > The thread was more of a 'wouldn't it be cool...' and the political side > of it, so it may not help much. Maybe, maybe not. One idea that just fired off in my mind was the old habit of uploading bookmark files to the web. If we all did that and kept some sort of index of bookmarks of people that we know, then combine them somehow, we get a defacto "personal web directory". Add some sort of spidering and indexing, and you get a reasonable "personal web search" which is a good starting point. There's been some work on personal gophers done. I wonder how they fit into this. Probably wildly OT for this list, though. Ho hum. MJR --===============7752679287076962154==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Thu Apr 17 16:19:52 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:20:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417151937.GB4634@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <20030417151427.GE30421@purple.paston.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8153359803317272426==" --===============8153359803317272426== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 04:14:27PM +0100, john(a)paston.co.uk wrote: > > Only 40ukp a month... so it is worth considering.... > > Worth noting, however, that not everyone who can get ADSL can get this > service, due to the line lenth issues... Apparently, if you cannot get ADSL due to some strange line length issue. Ask AA, they somehow managed to solve the problem. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============8153359803317272426==-- From adam@Drakken.com Thu Apr 17 17:36:00 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:36:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106880@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5640297258516602276==" --===============5640297258516602276== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > > Oh. I just had someone raving at me about the latest ATI > cards (currently > out around the 250-300 quid mark?) but I don't think even > their support is > full under free software at the moment. Their "offical" support is non-free the same as Nvidia and from what I have heard is far worse in both terms of what capabilities they give you and the installer is very rpm focused. As for what they actually give the free software community so that people can work on to support their products it looks about the same as Nvidia, i.e. not much. and they certainly are giving nothing important away. :( Adam --===============5640297258516602276==-- From adam@Drakken.com Thu Apr 17 17:38:29 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:39:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106881@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1656960977883726141==" --===============1656960977883726141== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > Adam, I think you are OK to send me patches for the web site? > Who else wants to write pages for the web site? Yes, I am set for patches and getting things up to date, I have a copy of the website on the laptop and it builds for me so maybe I will get something done this weekend. As for Elmswell and speakers, I havn't been able to get anything done yet. One other bit of Alug trivia people may want to know is that I have spoken to O'Reilly about review copies of books etc. and they are going to keep in touch with me and sort something out I think. more as and when... Adam --===============1656960977883726141==-- From mail@edenyard.co.uk Thu Apr 17 17:42:56 2003 From: Edenyard To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Free Ink-carts for Linux printers! Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:43:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304171642.ABY53351@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7526625894837854970==" --===============7526625894837854970== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have here three inkjet cartridges which are unused and unwanted - they're free to a good home. (All "compatible" types and made by JR): 1 off black for Epson Stylus 400/800/800+/1000 2 off colour for Epson Stylus Color II/IIs/820 To make this message legal, they must be used with Linux printers!! They're lightweight, so I could post - alternatively they could be collected from Martlesham. Please contact me off-list if interested. Cheers, Gerald. --===============7526625894837854970==-- From paul@paulrussell.org Thu Apr 17 17:52:47 2003 From: Paul Russell To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:53:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417170435.GA755@plenum> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9152946049097026349==" --===============9152946049097026349== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 10:16:52PM +0100, BenE wrote: > Does anyone know of a place in Norwich that sells the Sharp Zaurus PDA > pls? I've been looking to buy one for a while now and since they are > *relatively* cheap, as I've discovered tonight, I'm even more tempted :-) I'm not sure about the price, but I got mine from John Lewis in Norwich. Also, I happened to notice the other day that argos (yes, really) have it in their in-store catalogues 'rather cheaply', so they might be worth a look... > Has anyone had any experience of them? I assume being linux based there > would be no problems connecting my desktop to it. I've now realised that's > prolly quite a big assumption, hmm? mine's been fine, although I've not made any attempt to connect it to 'nux. (I use wireless to get software etc).. --===============9152946049097026349==-- From wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com Thu Apr 17 19:39:09 2003 From: Wayne Stallwood To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Netbox Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304171949.07705.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0932621275175778186==" --===============0932621275175778186== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was at an Auction in Ipswich today and I spotted two boxed Netgem Netbox's (A Web/eMail Set Top Box thingy) Nearly walked past them but then a Penguin on the box caught my eye (They run Linux 2.2.something) Imagine my disappointment when I discovered that they were an unsold lot from a previous auction waiting for collection by the seller. Anyway a quick chat with the Auctioneer afterwards had me getting them for reserve (£15 each) One is missing it's Smart Card (and they seem to need this in some way) but the other is booting fine. I have no interest in STB's but given that these have Linux, an ethernet interface, sound, TV out and a remote keyboard. I figure that as a toy to hack around with they may fill a rainy night (not that we seem to be getting those at the moment) I am away for the weekend so can't play until sometime next week, but would the list be interested in me posting details of what I find ? --===============0932621275175778186==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 21:59:08 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: TWIN, was: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:00:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106880@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3133630148150918885==" --===============3133630148150918885== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Bower wrote: > As for what they actually give the free software community so that people > can work on to support their products it looks about the same as Nvidia, > i.e. not much. and they certainly are giving nothing important away. :( You see, let one get away with it and they all want to try :-( A sad day for fixability and stability, to be sure. At the other end of the graphical scale, I can't make twin run on the console. Can anyone? The machine running it is using gentoo stable, but the version in unstable fails the same way: fails to open the console and quits with no echo of characters. MJR --===============3133630148150918885==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 17 22:01:52 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 22:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200304171949.07705.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6232301041752536943==" --===============6232301041752536943== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Stallwood wrote: > I am away for the weekend so can't play until sometime next week, but would > the list be interested in me posting details of what I find ? Definitely. tsw still have one of these tucked away somewhere, I think, yet to be hacked and they read this list. MJR --===============6232301041752536943==-- From toby@earth.li Fri Apr 18 00:10:24 2003 From: Toby Jaffey To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:11:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030417230214.GA6097@twoey> In-Reply-To: <200304171949.07705.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3150339032801204835==" --===============3150339032801204835== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 07:49:07PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: > I have no interest in STB's but given that these have Linux, an ethernet=20 > interface, sound, TV out and a remote keyboard. I figure that as a toy to=20 > hack around with they may fill a rainy night (not that we seem to be gettin= g=20 > those at the moment) Do you know what variant these boxes are? I found the MontaVista page which talks about partnering with Netgem. http://www.mvista.com/partners/isv/netgem.html Does the box have an RF or F-Connector going in (for digital TV)? The info says it's using the IBM Vesta (STB03xxx, PowerPC 405 core with integral MPEG-2 demultiplexer and decoder). I've been working with the chips in this range for over a year now on other set-top-box products, so would be interested in what sort of box you've got. If you're brave enough to crack it open, is the processor marked with a code? What else is inside the box? > I am away for the weekend so can't play until sometime next week, but would= =20 > the list be interested in me posting details of what I find ? Definitely. --=20 [ 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. ] Toby Jaffey. http://pkl.net/~trj/ --===============3150339032801204835==-- From j.e.taylor@uea.ac.uk Fri Apr 18 22:32:15 2003 From: J To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 22:33:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c305f1$f0d2a620$0c00000a@chicago> In-Reply-To: <20030417230214.GA6097@twoey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4923762022683259022==" --===============4923762022683259022== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes the tsw still have one. It seemingly needs to ring france before all the config settings open up on it. It does however have a groovy wireless keyboard :) J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby Jaffey" To: Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 07:49:07PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: > > I have no interest in STB's but given that these have Linux, an ethernet > > interface, sound, TV out and a remote keyboard. I figure that as a toy to > > hack around with they may fill a rainy night (not that we seem to be getting > > those at the moment) > > Do you know what variant these boxes are? I found the MontaVista page > which talks about partnering with Netgem. > > http://www.mvista.com/partners/isv/netgem.html > > Does the box have an RF or F-Connector going in (for digital TV)? > > The info says it's using the IBM Vesta (STB03xxx, PowerPC 405 core with > integral MPEG-2 demultiplexer and decoder). I've been working with the > chips in this range for over a year now on other set-top-box products, > so would be interested in what sort of box you've got. > > If you're brave enough to crack it open, is the processor marked with a > code? > > What else is inside the box? > > > I am away for the weekend so can't play until sometime next week, but would > > the list be interested in me posting details of what I find ? > > Definitely. > > -- > [ 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. ] > Toby Jaffey. http://pkl.net/~trj/ > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============4923762022683259022==-- From alug@k1ngph1cher.com Sun Apr 20 08:49:55 2003 From: Ian Douglas To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:50:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030420084952.0e42be22.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6050463861934097864==" --===============6050463861934097864== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I have just installed sylpheed-claws 0.8.11 on my PC but the "spelling" optio= n is greyed out in the compose window. If I type "which aspell" (or ispell) = my system confirms that they are installed in /usr/bin so I am not sure why t= he spell checking function is not available within Sylpheed. Does anyone hav= e any ideas about what I need to tweak in order to get this function working? Ian. --===============6050463861934097864==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Sun Apr 20 09:56:12 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 09:57:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c3071a$af037790$0a28a8c0@martynxp> In-Reply-To: <20030420084952.0e42be22.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4791874901625575775==" --===============4791874901625575775== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote on 20 April 2003 08:50: > I have just installed sylpheed-claws 0.8.11 on my PC but the > "spelling" option is greyed out in the compose window. If I type > "which aspell" (or ispell) my system confirms that they are installed > in /usr/bin so I am not sure why the spell checking function is not > available within Sylpheed. Does anyone have any ideas about what I > need to tweak in order to get this function working? If you've installed Sylpheed via tarball, you'll need to explicity tell it to use aspell/ispell at configure time. Type ./configure --help for the list of options. Regards, Martyn -- Affordable web hosting packages from Martyn Drake -> http://forum.movielad.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=2 --===============4791874901625575775==-- From barry.samuels@btinternet.com Sun Apr 20 12:56:32 2003 From: Barry Samuels To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Debian 'Testing' CD images Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:30:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030420125535.A1565@dataman1.ibmpeers> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1059811542631694151==" --===============1059811542631694151== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone possess the above and would they be prepared to create CDs for me if I provide the blank CDs and cover any costs involved. I have only a 56k modem connection and I think that downloading these CDs would take rather a long time! Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain --===============1059811542631694151==-- From alug@k1ngph1cher.com Sun Apr 20 13:31:14 2003 From: Ian Douglas To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:32:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304201331.15724.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c3071a$af037790$0a28a8c0@martynxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5516494518909238231==" --===============5516494518909238231== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday 20 April 2003 9:55 am, Martyn Drake wrote: > If you've installed Sylpheed via tarball, you'll need to explicity tell it > to use aspell/ispell at configure time. Type ./configure --help for the > list of options. Thanks for the tip Martyn. The tarball I have downloaded is: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2647125 Apr 18 18:06=20 sylpheed-0.8.11claws.tar.gz which I unpacked. I have had a look at the ./configure --help and notice these options which ma= y=20 be relevant: --enable-aspell Enable GNU/aspell support default=3Dno --with-aspell-prefix=3DPFX Prefix where aspell is installed=20 (optional) --with-aspell-libs=3DLIBS Where GNU/aspell library reside=20 (/usr/local/lib) --with-aspell-includes=3DINCLUDES Where GNU/aspell headers reside=20 (/usr/local/include) I have had a look in /usr/local/lib (where sylpheed expects to find the libs?= )=20 and can see: bash-2.05a$ ls /usr/local/lib X11 libaspell.so.15 libpspell.so libaspell.la libaspell.so.15.0.2 libpspell.so.15 libaspell.so libpspell.la libpspell.so.15.0.2 and if I look in /usr/local/include (where sylpheed expects to find the=20 includes?) I can see: bash-2.05a$ ls /usr/local/include aspell.h pspell I therefore assume that these default locations are correct so tried just: ./configure --enable-aspell Amongst all the messages which scrolled past I could see: checking whether to use GNU/aspell... yes checking for aspell... /usr/local/bin/aspell checking for GNU/aspell - version >=3D 0.50... yes checking for GNU/aspell dictionaries location... /usr/local/lib/aspell checking if GNU/aspell is correctly installed... no *** The GNU/aspell test program did not succeed. This usually means that=20 *** the headers and the libraries could not be found. Check config.log *** for detailed error message and add the relevant options *** --with-aspell-prefix, --with-aspell-includes or --with-aspell-libs *** to the configure command. *** This can also mean that the library was not found at runtime. In that case *** add its path to LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable or in /etc/ld.so.conf This suggests I look at config.log. If I look in that, then, amongst all the= =20 information I see a section which says: configure:16043: checking for aspell configure:16061: found /usr/local/bin/aspell configure:16074: result: /usr/local/bin/aspell configure:16082: checking for GNU/aspell - version >=3D 0.50 configure:16127: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 configure:16130: $? =3D 0 configure:16132: ./conftest configure:16135: $? =3D 0 configure:16150: result: yes configure:16152: checking for GNU/aspell dictionaries location configure:16160: result: /usr/local/lib/aspell configure:16162: checking if GNU/aspell is correctly installed configure:16197: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include conftest.c =20 -L/us r/local/lib -laspell >&5 configure:16200: $? =3D 0 configure:16202: ./conftest ./conftest: error while loading shared libraries: libaspell.so.15: cannot ope= n=20 shared object file: No such file or directory configure:16205: $? =3D 127 configure: program exited with status 127 Unfortunately I don't know much about installing programs via tarballs and wa= s=20 wondering if someone could interpret the above messages for so so I can suss = out what I need to do to get sylpheed-claws to compile with a spell checker. Thanks, Ian. PS: Operating Sytem =3D Slackware 8.2 if this is relevant. --===============5516494518909238231==-- From lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk Sun Apr 20 17:04:49 2003 From: Steve Fosdick To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030420170446.6541af9e.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200304201331.15724.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6713161631081377783==" --===============6713161631081377783== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:31:15 +0100 Ian Douglas wrote: > bash-2.05a$ ls /usr/local/lib > X11 libaspell.so.15 libpspell.so > libaspell.la libaspell.so.15.0.2 libpspell.so.15 > libaspell.so libpspell.la libpspell.so.15.0.2 then... > configure:16202: ./conftest > ./conftest: error while loading shared libraries: libaspell.so.15: cannot o= pen=20 > shared object file: No such file or directory > configure:16205: $? =3D 127 > configure: program exited with status 127 I looks like the program is trying to load the shared library by using the na= me libaspell.so.15 whereas the library is probably actually in the file libas= pell.so.15.0.2 libaspell.so.15 should be a symbolic link to libaspell.so.15.= 0.2 - if it isn't then this is probably the problem - you just need to remove= libaspell.so.15 and re-link it. Steve. --===============6713161631081377783==-- From alug@k1ngph1cher.com Sun Apr 20 19:17:15 2003 From: Ian Douglas To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:18:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c30769$0ed4e660$1e01a8c0@noahsark.th3zu6.net> In-Reply-To: <20030420170446.6541af9e.lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8261024714940020479==" --===============8261024714940020479== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:04 PM, Steve Fosdick wrote: > Ian Douglas wrote: > > > bash-2.05a$ ls /usr/local/lib > > X11 libaspell.so.15 libpspell.so > > libaspell.la libaspell.so.15.0.2 libpspell.so.15 > > libaspell.so libpspell.la libpspell.so.15.0.2 > > then... > > > configure:16202: ./conftest > > ./conftest: error while loading shared libraries: libaspell.so.15: > > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > configure:16205: $? = 127 > > configure: program exited with status 127 > > I looks like the program is trying to load the shared library by using the > name libaspell.so.15 whereas the library is probably actually in the > file libaspell.so.15.0.2 libaspell.so.15 should be a symbolic > link to libaspell.so.15.0.2 - if it isn't then this is probably the > problem - you just need to remove libaspell.so.15 and > re-link it. Thanks for the tip Steve. However, unfortunately, it looks like the file is already linked: bash-2.05a$ ls -l /usr/local/lib total 7884 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 18 16:22 X11 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 809 Apr 20 12:34 libaspell.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 libaspell.so -> libaspell.so.15.0.2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 libaspell.so.15 -> libaspell.so.15.0.2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8036610 Apr 20 12:34 libaspell.so.15.0.2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 837 Apr 20 12:34 libpspell.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 libpspell.so -> libpspell.so.15.0.2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 libpspell.so.15 -> libpspell.so.15.0.2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6260 Apr 20 12:34 libpspell.so.15.0.2 bash-2.05a$ Thanks for the suggestion. Ian. --===============8261024714940020479==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Sun Apr 20 19:53:49 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c3076e$2ac3ae10$0a28a8c0@martynxp> In-Reply-To: <001201c30769$0ed4e660$1e01a8c0@noahsark.th3zu6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7406695240987236750==" --===============7406695240987236750== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a thought, but according to README.claws included within the tarball, it stipulates that version 0.50 or newer of aspell is required. What version have you got on your system, Ian? -- Begin Quote --- a. Requirements --------------- Note: As for version 0.8.3 (and cvs version 0.8.2claws3), Sylpheed-Claws uses the new GNU/aspell 0.50 for spell checking instead of the obsolete pspell and old aspell 0.33.x. You will need to upgrade your system. See http://www.gnu.org/software/aspell for instructions on how to do this. The spell checker in Sylpheed requires the new GNU/aspell library (http://www.gnu.org/software/aspell), version 0.50 or newer. You also need the dictionaries. Check GNU/aspell home page for how to download and install them. NB: The old dictionaries used by the old aspell will not work. -- End Quote -- Ian Douglas wrote on 20 April 2003 19:17: > On Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:04 PM, Steve Fosdick wrote: >> Ian Douglas wrote: >> >>> bash-2.05a$ ls /usr/local/lib >>> X11 libaspell.so.15 libpspell.so >>> libaspell.la libaspell.so.15.0.2 libpspell.so.15 >>> libaspell.so libpspell.la libpspell.so.15.0.2 >> >> then... >> >>> configure:16202: ./conftest >>> ./conftest: error while loading shared libraries: libaspell.so.15: >>> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory >>> configure:16205: $? = 127 configure: program exited with status 127 >> >> I looks like the program is trying to load the shared library by >> using the name libaspell.so.15 whereas the library is probably >> actually in the file libaspell.so.15.0.2 libaspell.so.15 should be >> a symbolic link to libaspell.so.15.0.2 - if it isn't then this is >> probably the problem - you just need to remove libaspell.so.15 and >> re-link it. > > Thanks for the tip Steve. However, unfortunately, it looks like the > file is already linked: > > bash-2.05a$ ls -l /usr/local/lib > total 7884 > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 18 16:22 X11 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 809 Apr 20 12:34 libaspell.la > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 libaspell.so > -> libaspell.so.15.0.2 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 > libaspell.so.15 -> libaspell.so.15.0.2 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8036610 Apr 20 12:34 > libaspell.so.15.0.2 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 837 Apr 20 12:34 libpspell.la > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 libpspell.so > -> libpspell.so.15.0.2 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 20 12:34 > libpspell.so.15 -> libpspell.so.15.0.2 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6260 Apr 20 12:34 > libpspell.so.15.0.2 bash-2.05a$ > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Ian. > > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! -- Affordable web hosting packages from Martyn Drake -> http://forum.movielad.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=2 --===============7406695240987236750==-- From mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 20 21:34:54 2003 From: BenE To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:35:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c3076e$2ac3ae10$0a28a8c0@martynxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4380565800886276825==" --===============4380565800886276825== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 20 Apr 2003, Martyn Drake wrote: > Just a thought, but according to README.claws included within the tarball, > it stipulates that version 0.50 or newer of aspell is required. What > version have you got on your system, Ian? > The other option is that /usr/local/lib isn't in /etc/ld.so.conf or that ldconfig hasn't been run since it was added. I would expect slackware to use /usr/local for some apps already, so it's prolly a longshot... BenE --===============4380565800886276825==-- From alug@k1ngph1cher.com Sun Apr 20 21:48:18 2003 From: Ian Douglas To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:49:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c3077e$2914ab40$1e01a8c0@noahsark.th3zu6.net> In-Reply-To: <000001c3076e$2ac3ae10$0a28a8c0@martynxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4396845418503880722==" --===============4396845418503880722== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:53 PM, Martyn Drake said: > Just a thought, but according to README.claws included within the tarball, > it stipulates that version 0.50 or newer of aspell is required. What > version have you got on your system, Ian? Hi Martyn, I think I am using 0.5: bash-2.05a$ aspell -v @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.50.3) *HOWEVER* > -- Begin Quote --- > a. Requirements > --------------- > Note: > As for version 0.8.3 (and cvs version 0.8.2claws3), Sylpheed-Claws uses > the new GNU/aspell 0.50 for spell checking instead of the obsolete > pspell and old aspell 0.33.x. You will need to upgrade your system. > See http://www.gnu.org/software/aspell for instructions on how to do > this. > > The spell checker in Sylpheed requires the new GNU/aspell library > (http://www.gnu.org/software/aspell), version 0.50 or newer. Yep, think I upgraded Aspell ok. > You also need the dictionaries. Check GNU/aspell home page for how > to download and install them. > > NB: The old dictionaries used by the old aspell will not work. Oooooopppps! Guess who has forgotten to also upgrade his dictionaries! Could this be the problem... New Aspell but old dictionaries??? Thanks for spotting that. Will upgrade my dictionaries tomorrow and retry the compile! Ian. --===============4396845418503880722==-- From glen.tyler@tesco.net Sun Apr 20 22:58:13 2003 From: Glen Tyler To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]booting Gentoo install Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:59:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c30787$de011c60$b690fc3e@barkland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2170226816389805159==" --===============2170226816389805159== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wanting to try a new configurable linux I have been sent a gentoo x86 1.4 rc3 CD. At the top level there is one file livecd.cloop and two directories gentoo - (containing the three level tarballs) and isolinux (with initrd and gentoo.lss files in it among others). I'm guessing that the livecd.cloop file should be a boot.img or something like it as I don't think that gentoo can be installed unless you can boot from the CD. Normally (i.e. never before) I have no problem booting from CD's. Can anyone give any pointers? Glen --===============2170226816389805159==-- From abower@thebowery.co.uk Mon Apr 21 00:04:15 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: TWIN, was: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:05:03 +0000 Message-ID: <20030420230405.GA4871@thebowery.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3458474763187278221==" --===============3458474763187278221== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 08:59:54PM -0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Adam Bower wrote: > > As for what they actually give the free software community so that people > > can work on to support their products it looks about the same as Nvidia, > > i.e. not much. and they certainly are giving nothing important away. :( >=20 > You see, let one get away with it and they all want to try :-( > A sad day for fixability and stability, to be sure. Interestingly I think the first people to release non-free drivers were diamo= nd (?) for the fireGL series of cards, these are now owned by ATI and their driv= er releases are based on the fireGL drivers. What is absolutely abysmal about th= is was having about 30 of these cards in a previous job and the drivers not working on anything at all, at least the Nvidia cards worked (depending on yo= ur definition of work of course). > At the other end of the graphical scale, I can't make twin run on the > console. Can anyone? The machine running it is using gentoo stable, > but the version in unstable fails the same way: fails to open the > console and quits with no echo of characters. I just found out what this program does, It looks very fun, time for some experiments :) Adam --=20 jabberid =3D quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem --===============3458474763187278221==-- From abower@thebowery.co.uk Mon Apr 21 00:34:19 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Debian 'Testing' CD images Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:35:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030420233418.GD4871@thebowery.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030420125535.A1565@dataman1.ibmpeers> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8257370437260077726==" --===============8257370437260077726== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 12:55:35PM +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: > Does anyone possess the above and would they be prepared to create CDs > for me if I provide the blank CDs and cover any costs involved. > > I have only a 56k modem connection and I think that downloading these > CDs would take rather a long time! Yeah, I can offer this to everyone on list. I have bandwidth at work to borrow and I quite often grabs bit for myself. I can get other stuff if people want too. If there are things people want then mail me off list, oh and there is a meeting next weekend so please let me know what you want by thursday at the latest.... Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem --===============8257370437260077726==-- From neill@entora.co.uk Mon Apr 21 06:00:02 2003 From: Neill Newman To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Weekly IRC reminder Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 06:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3138452828447612863==" --===============3138452828447612863== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!) --===============3138452828447612863==-- From alug@k1ngph1cher.com Mon Apr 21 12:14:46 2003 From: Ian Douglas To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:15:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304211214.48292.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3272277293081206678==" --===============3272277293081206678== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday 20 April 2003 10:35 pm, BenE wrote: > The other option is that /usr/local/lib isn't in /etc/ld.so.conf or that > ldconfig hasn't been run since it was added. > > I would expect slackware to use /usr/local for some apps already, so it's > prolly a longshot... Thanks for the suggestion BenE. I have had a look in /etc/ld.so.conf and can = see: root(a)parka:~# cat /etc/ld.so.conf /usr/local/lib /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/i386-slackware-linux/lib /opt/kde/lib /usr/lib/qt/lib I then ran ldconfig just to be on the safe side: root(a)parka:~# ldconfig and retried: ./configure --enable-aspell make make install However the spell-checker is now no loger grayed out in the "compose new mail= "=20 window, it is now completely missing, when I restarted sylpheed. Ian. --===============3272277293081206678==-- From alug@k1ngph1cher.com Mon Apr 21 12:16:21 2003 From: Ian Douglas To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:17:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304211216.23915.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> In-Reply-To: <000e01c3077e$2914ab40$1e01a8c0@noahsark.th3zu6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8168507407480100933==" --===============8168507407480100933== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday 20 April 2003 9:47 pm, I wrote: > Oooooopppps! Guess who has forgotten to also upgrade his dictionaries! > Could this be the problem... New Aspell but old dictionaries??? > Thanks for spotting that. Will upgrade my dictionaries tomorrow and retry > the compile! Hi folks, I have just upgraded my Aspell dictionaries. I then cd into my sylpheed-claws tarball directory and ran configure: ./configure --enable-aspell This time the spelling section looked ok: configure:15968: checking whether to use GNU/aspell configure:15971: result: yes configure:16043: checking for aspell configure:16061: found /usr/local/bin/aspell configure:16074: result: /usr/local/bin/aspell configure:16082: checking for GNU/aspell - version >= 0.50 configure:16127: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c >&5 configure:16130: $? = 0 configure:16132: ./conftest configure:16135: $? = 0 configure:16150: result: yes configure:16152: checking for GNU/aspell dictionaries location configure:16160: result: /usr/local/lib/aspell configure:16162: checking if GNU/aspell is correctly installed configure:16197: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/local/include conftest.c -L/usr/local/lib -laspell >&5 configure:16200: $? = 0 configure:16202: ./conftest configure:16205: $? = 0 configure:16222: result: yes The little summary table at the end of the ./configure process said: sylpheed 0.8.11claws image support : yes (gdk-pixbuf) GnuPG : no JPilot : no LDAP : no OpenSSL : no iconv : yes compface : no IPv6 : no GNU/aspell : no Crash dialog : no Plugins : The binary will be installed in /usr/local/bin Configure finished, type 'make' to build. I then done a "make" followed by a "make install" and restarted Sylpheed however, unfortunately, the "Spelling" menu is now completely missing (rather than just being greyed-out) in the "compose new email" window. Very frustrating! Ian. --===============8168507407480100933==-- From alug@k1ngph1cher.com Mon Apr 21 13:24:21 2003 From: Ian Douglas To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:25:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304211324.23540.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> In-Reply-To: <200304211216.23915.alug@k1ngph1cher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2701333206753747102==" --===============2701333206753747102== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Spell Checking may be working but just not configured: > > Start Sylpheed > Click on "Configuration" menu > Click on "Common Preferences" > Click on "Spell Checker" > Click on "Enable Spell Checker" > Make sure "Default Dictionary" is set to "en_GB" > Click on "OK" Aha! Got it! Thanks for that! Obvious when you know how! Spell Checker is now up and running. Thanks everyone for all your help! Ian. --===============2701333206753747102==-- From tristan@scott998.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 21 14:10:18 2003 From: Tristan Scott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]booting Gentoo install Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304211411.34454.tristan@scott998.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000901c30787$de011c60$b690fc3e@barkland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7104257227920852375==" --===============7104257227920852375== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday 20 April 2003 10:57 pm, Glen Tyler wrote: > wanting to try a new configurable linux I have been sent a gentoo x86 1.4 > rc3 CD. At the top level there is one file livecd.cloop and two directories > gentoo - (containing the three level tarballs) and isolinux (with initrd > and gentoo.lss files in it among others). I'm guessing that the > livecd.cloop file should be a boot.img or something like it as I don't > think that gentoo can be installed unless you can boot from the CD. > Normally (i.e. never before) I have no problem booting from CD's. Can > anyone give any pointers? > basically the cd contains ISOLINUX, which gives you a nice linux environment, and the you make your partitions, format them ('mkfs.ext2 -j' for instance) mount them (gentoo advises a separate boot partition, as then its harder to break it!) just unzip the chosen tarball to the root of your new system partitons. example: mkfs.ext2 -j /dev/hda1 mkfs.ext2 -j /dev/hda2 mkdir /mnt/gentoo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/gentoo -t ext3 mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot -t ext3 cd /mnt/gentoo tar -xvjpf /mnt/cdrom/gentoo/stage?-*.tbz2 # untars the entire filesystem for a basic tree. get the flags right, and be in /mnt/gentoo, or you'll destroy the system you're hosting on. mkdir /mnt/gentoo/dev mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev # not vital,but makes installing a bootloader possible mkdir /mnt/gentoo/proc mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc # inportant if you want to emerge stuff (like lilo) cd /mnt/gentoo chroot . env-update source /etc/profile # you are now in, yay... emerge rsync # builds portage tree think thats it. the only really agravating thing, is that if you boot off the cd it builds the filesystem from somewhere, and the install instructions are in /usr/doc/install.txt (i think). you dont seem to have them within the stage tarballs. ill send you the instructions if required, however its probably easier to boot the cd and put them on a partition/floppy/other computer whatever, or get them off the gentoo site. ive been building gentoo for years, got 5 systems running it at the moment... > Glen > > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --===============7104257227920852375==-- From Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Mon Apr 21 14:17:53 2003 From: Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]A Holiday Entertainment Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:18:02 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3417766667614623851==" --===============3417766667614623851== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, For your amusement during this brief holiday, I offer you the following teaser: Which country has the highest density (i.e. numbers per million of population) of Linux users? And, for seconds: Which country is number 2? (I'll post my answers later. If yours differ from mine, I'd like to know why). Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 21-Apr-03 Time: 14:07:50 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ --===============3417766667614623851==-- From dh@iucr.org Mon Apr 21 17:40:11 2003 From: David Holden To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Re: [Sheflug] A Holiday Entertainment Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: <1050943200.5968.20.camel@ojuelaite.iucr.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3846976183125951503==" --===============3846976183125951503== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 14:07, Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: > Folks, > > For your amusement during this brief holiday, I offer you > the following teaser: > > Which country has the highest density (i.e. numbers per > million of population) of Linux users? Finland, complete guess thats where linus is from... > > And, for seconds: > Which country is number 2? Taiwan, another complete guess. > > (I'll post my answers later. If yours differ from mine, I'd > like to know why). > > Best wishes to all, > Ted. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > E-Mail: (Ted Harding) > Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 > Date: 21-Apr-03 Time: 14:07:50 > ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Sheffield Linux User's Group - > http://www.sheflug.co.uk/mailfaq.html > > GNU the choice of a complete generation. -- Dr. David Holden. (Systems Developer) Visit: Crystallography Journals Online Thanks in advance:- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See: UK Privacy (R.I.P) : http://www.stand.org.uk/commentary.php3 Public GPG key available on request. -- 99% of politicians give the rest a bad name -- ------------------------------------------------- --===============3846976183125951503==-- From wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com Mon Apr 21 18:02:29 2003 From: Wayne Stallwood To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:03:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304211812.16637.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <20030417230214.GA6097@twoey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8577637864180786640==" --===============8577637864180786640== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday 17 April 2003 23:02, Toby Jaffey wrote: > If you're brave enough to crack it open, is the processor marked with a > code? > > What else is inside the box? I cracked it open this afternoon, here's what I have found inside. The board is marked Netbox 3.55 ISDN IT1, it is a very small board (not much = larger footprint than a DVD case) The Processor is marked STPC Consumer, STPCC0166BTC3. At first I thought this= =20 was one of the ST Micro Consumer II Products (133Mhz 486 core, with some=20 video on chip) But now I am not so sure. In fact I can't seem to find any=20 reference to this chip so any help here would be gratefully received. (If it was a consumer II then that would be dandy as there is a bit of Linux = stuff for that, XFree drivers etc) Next to that there is a Orca FPGA, not sure what this is doing most likely=20 it's providing some interface logic. Slightly below we have 8MB of M Systems Disk on chip. Above the processor we have an ESS ES1869F Audio chip (similar to what's used= =20 in Laptops with ESS audio. Over to the right we have a Crystal Lan KTAAFD0007 connected to a RJ45 socket= .=20 (this netbox is supposed to use a Cable box as an ethernet gateway to the=20 internet) Below this is a smartcard reader, the unit can come like mine with an "empty"= =20 smart card for the user to program in the internet setup. Or it can come with= =20 a "fixed" smartcard (presumably provided by a service provider) On this card = as well as ethernet setup you can configure homepages and banner sources. To the left of the processor is 4x K4E151612C-TC60 (8MB of ram ?? I haven't=20 checked yet) Above the processor is a rather nifty Micronas Video Pixel Decoder (presumabl= y=20 there for the TV Picture as a Thumbnail function.) At the front is a Microphone and a IR Device for the Keyboard/remote (Note no= t=20 an IRDA device I think this this is a pickup only) To the left is a Unidentified properiatary 26 pin connector (wired via some=20 protection and filters straight to the Processor) Some sort of expansion=20 connector no doubt. To the rear we have two Scart connectors, one output and one loopthrough, RGB= =20 pins wired on the output one. (when in operation you can have a thumbnail=20 view of what's on the loopthrough connector) I'll have more info when I get some cat 5 from the office and get this thing = on a network.=20 =20 --===============8577637864180786640==-- From abower@thebowery.co.uk Mon Apr 21 18:14:55 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:15:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030421171453.GA11423@thebowery.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200304211812.16637.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3054563180573778248==" --===============3054563180573778248== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 06:12:16PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: >=20 > The Processor is marked STPC Consumer, STPCC0166BTC3. At first I thought th= is=20 > was one of the ST Micro Consumer II Products (133Mhz 486 core, with some=20 > video on chip) But now I am not so sure. In fact I can't seem to find any=20 > reference to this chip so any help here would be gratefully received. > (If it was a consumer II then that would be dandy as there is a bit of Linu= x=20 > stuff for that, XFree drivers etc) typing STPCC0166BTC3 into google gives=20 http://us.st.com/stonline/products/support/select/videqu4.htm and this links = to a page suggesting is a "consumer" chip. Adam --=20 jabberid =3D quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem --===============3054563180573778248==-- From craig@wizball.co.uk Mon Apr 21 20:50:11 2003 From: Craig To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]booting Gentoo install Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:51:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030421195019.GB3565@cablaptop> In-Reply-To: <200304211411.34454.tristan@scott998.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6471553321526931608==" --===============6471553321526931608== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 02:11:34PM +0100, Tristan Scott wrote: > ive been building gentoo for years, got 5 systems running it at the moment.= .. Years? ;) Anyway, are you running unstable at the moment? I am running it on 2 machines at the moment. Seriously cool with xfree 4.3 running (Hmm.. transparent mouse cursor!) along with the mm-sources. Though, my only problem at the moment is the ide-scsi bug in 2.5. Ah well, but the system response in 2.5.xx is incredible. Possibly thinking of switching to the gaming-sources. I wonder what that would be like... --=20 =20 (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk --===============6471553321526931608==-- From barry@beenthere-donethat.org.uk Mon Apr 21 21:19:16 2003 From: Barry Samuels To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]A file system puzzle Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:27:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030421211915.A32440@dataman1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9059224358511693400==" --===============9059224358511693400== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to change the contents of a bootable floppy to include a specific module. On the floppy is a file 'miniroot.gz' which I have copied to my hard drive. I can gunzip the file and mount the resultant file system 'miniroot' using mount -o loop. If I unmount, without changing anything, and re-gzip the file the result is the same as the original. If I delete a file when the file system is mounted then unmount and re-gzip I end up with something that is larger than the origianl which doesn't seem to make sense to me. I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file system with one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed file system that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. Could someone please explain, to a 'bear of little brain', what I must be doing wrong? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain --===============9059224358511693400==-- From tristan@scott998.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 21 21:52:00 2003 From: Tristan Scott To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]booting Gentoo install Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304212153.17574.tristan@scott998.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20030421195019.GB3565@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4203701448898248022==" --===============4203701448898248022== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 21 April 2003 8:50 pm, Craig wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 02:11:34PM +0100, Tristan Scott wrote: > > ive been building gentoo for years, got 5 systems running it at the > > moment... > > Years? ;) well, year at least.... > Anyway, are you running unstable at the moment? naah, too much hassle. on gaming sources. i mean to switch when alan cox has = got the promise 376 to work, damn bleeding edge nforce 2 raid boards.... > I am running > it on 2 machines at the moment. Seriously cool with xfree 4.3 running urgh, big download.....not yet > (Hmm.. transparent mouse cursor!) along with the mm-sources. Though, my > only problem at the moment is the ide-scsi bug in 2.5. Ah well, but the > system response in 2.5.xx is incredible. > > Possibly thinking of switching to the gaming-sources. I wonder what that > would be like... stabler! havent really had any problems, dont think the performance is particularly=20 better though. dont quote me there, as i havent run the gentoo sources or vanilla in ages=20 (apart from the other machines, which are a server (just serves mp3s, distfiles mirror etc, kinda handy as its a 24/7,=20 its got a cron job to emerge rsync ; emerge --fetchonly -u world at=20 midnight.) workstation (at work, must be working so thats vanilla (i think) sisters machine (mainly runs msn on windows, urgh) parents machine (hasnt been emerge -u world in months, still, they cant brea= k=20 it) and my box. (full tower, 2600+, 1gb PC2700, 200Gb (down from 280, rest is no= w=20 in server - which is 140gb.) --===============4203701448898248022==-- From ruffrecords@uklinux.net Mon Apr 21 22:22:51 2003 From: Ian Bell To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:08:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304212223.02666.ruffrecords@uklinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8457361652442241858==" --===============8457361652442241858== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just upgraded from RH7.3 to RH9.0 and I am not a particularly happy bunny. O= K=20 it has some nice eye candy and up to date KDE, Open Office, gtk+ and Mozilla.= =20 However kpackage and gnorpm have not only gone but have been deleted despite = doing an upgrade rather than an install. The RH rpm installer is a joke. I = have no idea where an rpm's files go so its very hard to make a desktop link = or find the docs. I have downloaded both binary rpms and source tarballs for= =20 both progs but they have a whole bunch of dependency problems. It seems as=20 though RH is deliberately trying to obstruct users from managing their own=20 rpms. Fortunately I have been able to download and install apt and synaptic=20 so all is not lost but I had to use the command line rpm to do it. AND I just discovered the kde menu editor is gone too!! I have debian 3 on DVD and if it were not for the significant backup task=20 associated with a clean install I would be installing it now. Ian=20 --===============8457361652442241858==-- From wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com Tue Apr 22 00:37:03 2003 From: Wayne Stallwood To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:38:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304220046.50102.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <20030421171453.GA11423@thebowery.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4476124432813060556==" --===============4476124432813060556== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday 21 April 2003 17:14, Adam Bower wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 06:12:16PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: > > The Processor is marked STPC Consumer, STPCC0166BTC3. At first I thought > > this was one of the ST Micro Consumer II Products (133Mhz 486 core, with > > some video on chip) But now I am not so sure. In fact I can't seem to > > find any reference to this chip so any help here would be gratefully > > received. (If it was a consumer II then that would be dandy as there is a > > bit of Linux stuff for that, XFree drivers etc) > > typing STPCC0166BTC3 into google gives > http://us.st.com/stonline/products/support/select/videqu4.htm and this > links to a page suggesting is a "consumer" chip. > > Adam Thanks for that Adam, turns out that this is a 586 type core running at 66mhz now for some more info. I fancied a late night so popped over to the office and picked up an old Hub and some Cat5 First the good news I've got the Netbox routing through my PC to my ADSL connection and it's all working very well. It's actually quite nice. There was a problem with google repeatedly refreshing but clicking on the update Netbox icon seemed to sort that. A big supprise was that it plays mpeg audio streams from Shoutcast ! Pretty Impressive for a set top box I thought. (even more so considering the processor speed) It's picking up mail from one of my accounts and as far as it's intended use goes it's working well. Now the bad news Hacking it is not going to be so easy. A Nmap scan shows no ports within the ones that nmap scans, trying to telnet to the box results in a connection refused. I noticed that /bin/sh was one of the files updated when I hit the update button but so far I have found no way of getting to it. The keyboard seems unresponsive during boot so I cannot interrupt the boot process which is a shame. So a few questions for the group. Does anybody know of a way to scan all 65535 ports on a host (yes I know this is going to take hours) But I am wondering if there is a useful service running on a non standard port (thinks of the Zaurus running it's ftp server on a strange port) Any ideas about ways of killing the front end or otherwise getting to a shell prompt. The other machine is next to useless at the moment. You have to insert a special smart card before the initial setup (I only have one between the two boxes) and inserting this card gives me a message saying that this card has already been used to initialise a Netbox and therefore cannot be used. I am thinking that the only way to save this box and make it do something is to build a IDE - disk on chip interface and carefully remove the M Systems device from the board and take a look at it's contents. Unless of course anyone out there has a better idea. Wayne --===============4476124432813060556==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Tue Apr 22 09:22:52 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]booting Gentoo install Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:23:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3EA4FC4F.6010501@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: <20030421195019.GB3565@cablaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4093187515284870314==" --===============4093187515284870314== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Craig wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 02:11:34PM +0100, Tristan Scott wrote: >=20 >=20 >>ive been building gentoo for years, got 5 systems running it at the moment.= .. >=20 >=20 > Years? ;) Anyway, are you running unstable at the moment? I am running > it on 2 machines at the moment. Seriously cool with xfree 4.3 running > (Hmm.. transparent mouse cursor!) along with the mm-sources. Though, my > only problem at the moment is the ide-scsi bug in 2.5. Ah well, but the > system response in 2.5.xx is incredible. >=20 > Possibly thinking of switching to the gaming-sources. I wonder what that > would be like... We use G2 in a production environment, so we're still on 1.2. Worse, I=20 haven't had a chance to play with 1.4 *at all* yet, despite the imminence of = the full release. I need to a) install and play, and b) document and test the= =20 migration process. The biggest issue, I suppose, is migrating our build=20 script to use 1.4, which will be a challenge... Time! Cheers, Laurie. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============4093187515284870314==-- From lxs@sdf-eu.org Tue Apr 22 09:28:15 2003 From: Alexis Lee To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]A file system puzzle Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:29:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030422082628.GB3889@sdf-eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20030421211915.A32440@dataman1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1703576896501059125==" --===============1703576896501059125== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 09:19:15PM +0100, Barry Samuels wrote: > I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file system with > one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed file system > that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. You could try `gzip -9`? -# --fast --best Regulate the speed of compression using the speci- fied digit #, where -1 or --fast indicates the fastest compression method (less compression) and -9 or --best indicates the slowest compression method (best compression). The default compression level is -6 (that is, biased towards high compres- sion at expense of speed). Cheers, Alexis -- "Yes means nothing if you never say no" - The Wright Stuff Of course there's a lot of learning in universities. The students come with 13 years worth and leave with none, so it just piles up. --===============1703576896501059125==-- From laurie@brownowl.com Tue Apr 22 09:29:18 2003 From: Laurie Brown To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:30:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3EA4FDD2.2040009@brownowl.com> In-Reply-To: <200304212223.02666.ruffrecords@uklinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7344145594394554966==" --===============7344145594394554966== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ian Bell wrote: > Just upgraded from RH7.3 to RH9.0 and I am not a particularly happy bunny. = OK=20 > it has some nice eye candy and up to date KDE, Open Office, gtk+ and Mozill= a. =20 > However kpackage and gnorpm have not only gone but have been deleted despit= e=20 > doing an upgrade rather than an install. The RH rpm installer is a joke. = I=20 > have no idea where an rpm's files go so its very hard to make a desktop lin= k=20 > or find the docs. I have downloaded both binary rpms and source tarballs f= or=20 > both progs but they have a whole bunch of dependency problems. It seems as= =20 > though RH is deliberately trying to obstruct users from managing their own = > rpms. Fortunately I have been able to download and install apt and synaptic= =20 > so all is not lost but I had to use the command line rpm to do it. >=20 > AND I just discovered the kde menu editor is gone too!! All of the above and a whole lot more is why I've left the fluffy world of=20 SuSE behind and gone over to Gentoo. It's also why I installed RH once a few = years ago, and never went near it again. IMO all the major distros are fast=20 making many of the same mistakes that MS made with windows. Luckily, they=20 have something decent underneath it all, but even so, IT professionals are=20 finding that the major distros are making their jobs harder and harder by=20 chasing the numpty market the way they are. Using Debian or Gentoo may mena it takes longer to build the "Corporate=20 Desktop" or server platform, but once it's done, consistent roll-outs are a=20 piece of cake, and subsequent management much easier. Cheers, Laurie. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============7344145594394554966==-- From lxs@sdf-eu.org Tue Apr 22 09:42:21 2003 From: Alexis Lee To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:43:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030422084034.GC3889@sdf-eu.org> In-Reply-To: <200304212223.02666.ruffrecords@uklinux.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0173101306421184701==" --===============0173101306421184701== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:23:02PM +0100, Ian Bell wrote: > I have debian 3 on DVD and if it were not for the significant backup task > associated with a clean install I would be installing it now. You'd thank yourself later. Say, when RH 10 comes out ;) If you have broadband, I find net storage very convenient for holding essentials during an upgrade. And if you're like me, you might be surprised how little data a few thousand hours of typing accumulates to. My .zshrc and .vim{,rc} are the only files that have anything of lasting value in them. Cheers, Alexis -- That which does not kill you, softens you up nicely. "I love deadlines. Specifically, the swooshing sound they make as they fly past." - ? --===============0173101306421184701==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 22 09:52:26 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]A file system puzzle Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106882@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2234405402261451718==" --===============2234405402261451718== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Barry Samuels [mailto:barry(a)beenthere-donethat.org.uk] > If I delete a file when the file system is mounted then unmount and > re-gzip I end up with something that is larger than the > origianl which > doesn't seem to make sense to me. > > I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file > system with > one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed file system > that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. > > Could someone please explain, to a 'bear of little brain', > what I must > be doing wrong? Sounds like the "smaller" module is making the archive less compressable. Try gzip -9 for the best compression (and slowest) and see if that helps it fit. Adam --===============2234405402261451718==-- From wildduck_zaseuk@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 22 09:55:27 2003 From: Kirsten Naylor To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]A Holiday Entertainment Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:56:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030422085520.20926.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6017737695342592221==" --===============6017737695342592221== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: > Which country has the highest density (i.e. numbers per > million of population) of Linux users? Well according to the Linux Counter report http://counter.li.org/reports/short.php it is the Faroe Islands. > And, for seconds: Which country is number 2? --===============6017737695342592221==-- From wildduck_zaseuk@yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 22 09:58:47 2003 From: Kirsten Naylor To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Re: [Sheflug] A Holiday Entertainment Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:59:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20030422085846.92547.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1050943200.5968.20.camel@ojuelaite.iucr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8982690690279304975==" --===============8982690690279304975== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- David Holden wrote:=20 > On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 14:07, > > Which country has the highest density (i.e. numbers per > > million of population) of Linux users? >=20 > Finland, complete guess thats where linus is from... Finland is third in the list at the Linux Counter so that is a=20 very good guess! :) /Kirsty =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "If I were a penguin, and this were my pile of rocks, I'd be virtually irresi= stible." __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer --===============8982690690279304975==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Tue Apr 22 10:08:22 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:09:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c308ae$b89a7d90$060f10ac@akutan> In-Reply-To: <3EA4FDD2.2040009@brownowl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0741881340113551005==" --===============0741881340113551005== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurie Brown wrote: > All of the above and a whole lot more is why I've left the fluffy > world of SuSE behind and gone over to Gentoo. It's also why I > installed RH once a few years ago, and never went near it again. IMO > all the major distros are fast making many of the same mistakes that > MS made with windows. Luckily, they have something decent underneath > it all, but even so, IT professionals are finding that the major > distros are making their jobs harder and harder by chasing the numpty > market the way they are. In my industry we have little choice over what distros we can use, simply because when you purchase expensive things like Maya or Pixar's Renderman, you're tied to what they support and both these products will only support Red Hat 7.2 and 7.3 at the time of writing. People have tried Debian with RenderMan only to have been told that it's not supported in any way shape or form. Of course, it's not just the industry that I work in that has this problem. I'm sure that most commercial Linux software imposes limits on what distros are supported. Red Hat is going to be the closest you're going to get as a "corporate desktop" and consequently the big boys will only support it. As for RedHat 8 and 9, own opinions on it is that 8 was full of bugs and I couldn't work with it and 9 is an improvement but perhaps a little too late. It works, but it's still very resource hungry. I also don't like some of the default installation choices - why will they not include 'lynx' as an essential install? Why must everything be graphical? > Using Debian or Gentoo may mena it takes longer to build the > "Corporate Desktop" or server platform, but once it's done, > consistent roll-outs are a piece of cake, and subsequent management > much easier. Absolutely in agreement here :) Regards, Martyn --===============0741881340113551005==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 22 10:19:00 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:19:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106883@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2810716393325102982==" --===============2810716393325102982== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Martyn Drake [mailto:martyn(a)drake.org.uk] > In my industry we have little choice over what distros we can > use, simply > because when you purchase expensive things like Maya or > Pixar's Renderman, > you're tied to what they support and both these products will > only support > Red Hat 7.2 and 7.3 at the time of writing. People have > tried Debian with > RenderMan only to have been told that it's not supported in > any way shape or > form. Of course, it's not just the industry that I work in > that has this > problem. I'm sure that most commercial Linux software Not supported doesn't mean it won't work though :) The Matrix was rendered with renderman (and other bits) running on FreeBSD through the Linux compatability system. What I found with the movie industry was that people were unwilling to try things which were "unsupported" as they equated it with "not working". Adam --===============2810716393325102982==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Tue Apr 22 10:23:06 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:24:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c308b0$cf6f9ad0$060f10ac@akutan> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106883@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8167291707175584232==" --===============8167291707175584232== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Bower wrote: > Not supported doesn't mean it won't work though :) The Matrix was > rendered with renderman (and other bits) running on FreeBSD through > the Linux compatability system. What I found with the movie industry > was that people were unwilling to try things which were "unsupported" > as they equated it with "not working". I never said that it wouldn't work if you tried something a bit different, but the support department of these big companies won't touch you with a barge pole unless you stick with their supported OS(es) and other system requirements. Regards, Martyn --===============8167291707175584232==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 22 10:48:15 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]Netbox Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:49:01 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106885@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6122938563167233376==" --===============6122938563167233376== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Wayne Stallwood [mailto:wayne.stallwood(a)btinternet.com] > Hacking it is not going to be so easy. > > A Nmap scan shows no ports within the ones that nmap scans, > trying to telnet > to the box results in a connection refused. > Does anybody know of a way to scan all 65535 ports on a host > (yes I know this > is going to take hours) But I am wondering if there is a > useful service > running on a non standard port (thinks of the Zaurus running > it's ftp server > on a strange port) nmap -sU -sS -p 0-65535 -O -v -oN logfile.log netbox.ip.address should give you an udp scan (-sU) and tcp scan (-sS) on all ports (-p 0-65535) with os fingerprinting (-O although you know its linux already) and verbose reporting (-v) and log to a file logfile.log (-oN logfile.log) Should be what you are looking for, note udp scanning against linux could take a very very long time :) Adam --===============6122938563167233376==-- From barry@beenthere-donethat.org.uk Tue Apr 22 11:00:41 2003 From: Barry Samuels To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]A file system puzzle Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:08:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20030422105930.A9718@dataman1.ibmpeers> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106882@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2897952578717819969==" --===============2897952578717819969== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2003.04.22 09:51 Adam Bower wrote: > > > From: Barry Samuels [mailto:barry(a)beenthere-donethat.org.uk] > > > If I delete a file when the file system is mounted then unmount and > > re-gzip I end up with something that is larger than the > > origianl which > > doesn't seem to make sense to me. > > > > I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file > > system with > > one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed file system > > that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. > > > > Could someone please explain, to a 'bear of little brain', > > what I must > > be doing wrong? > > Sounds like the "smaller" module is making the archive less > compressable. That doesn't explain why deleting a file and not replacing it makes the resultant compressed file system larger. > Try gzip -9 for the best compression (and slowest) and see if that > helps it > fit. I've been using -9 all along. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain --===============2897952578717819969==-- From syd@toufol.com Tue Apr 22 11:30:53 2003 From: Syd Hancock To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug]Norwich evening meeting announcement. Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:31:01 +0000 Message-ID: <200304221127.21636.syd@toufol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5819619402871420273==" --===============5819619402871420273== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First Norwich evening meeting will be held on thursday 1st May in the Forum coffee bar from 8pm. Everyone welcome of course. Don't worry if you're not a techie, neither am I. No particular theme, just an opportunity for linux users in the area to begin to connect face to face. Hopefully this will become a regular monthly occurrence although day and venue may well change over the next few months. If you are intending to be there, please would you contact me off-list to give some idea of numbers? I think my kids have a toy penguin somewhere to act as a rallying point - if they'll let me borrow it of course :-) Syd --===============5819619402871420273==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 22 11:31:55 2003 From: MJ Ray To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:32:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c308ae$b89a7d90$060f10ac@akutan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7378201850778592045==" --===============7378201850778592045== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martyn Drake wrote: > you're tied to what they support and both these products will only = > support > Red Hat 7.2 and 7.3 at the time of writing. People have tried Debian = No LSB support yet? That's what their customers need to ask for. > problem. I'm sure that most commercial Linux software imposes limits on > what distros are supported. Red Hat is going to be the closest you're = Really? I thought only proprietary software normally came with such odious limits to their support? MJR --===============7378201850778592045==-- From adam@Drakken.com Tue Apr 22 11:34:05 2003 From: Adam Bower To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]A file system puzzle Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:35:02 +0000 Message-ID: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106886@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5261659323650738390==" --===============5261659323650738390== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Barry Samuels [mailto:barry(a)beenthere-donethat.org.uk] > > > I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file > > > system with > > > one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed > file system > > > that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. > > > > > > Could someone please explain, to a 'bear of little brain', > > > what I must > > > be doing wrong? > > > > Sounds like the "smaller" module is making the archive less > > compressable. > > That doesn't explain why deleting a file and not replacing it > makes the > resultant compressed file system larger. Hmmm, ok what could be happening is that the file is being deleted from the directory indices but the space on disk is never overwritten with blank data but still has the original file there just no longer referenced by the filesystem. This change in the indices etc. causes the compression algorithm to make a bigger file as there is still data at the same point on the disk. You could perhaps try creating a new "empty" loopback filesystem and then copying the data between the two and trying to compress that to see what happens. In short thats a guess, apart from that I don't know you could always try asking on a compression newsgroup :) > > Try gzip -9 for the best compression (and slowest) and see if that > > helps it > > fit. > > I've been using -9 all along. Ummmm, try -8 ;) actually you could try all of them to see if the archives to get smaller with greater levels of compression. ISTR that in some cases using a "greater" compression ratio can cause a file to end up bigger than using a lesser one. Adam Adam --===============5261659323650738390==-- From martyn@drake.org.uk Tue Apr 22 11:39:08 2003 From: Martyn Drake To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c308bb$6d81de40$060f10ac@akutan> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5029923245915957671==" --===============5029923245915957671== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MJ Ray wrote: > Martyn Drake wrote: >> you're tied to what they support and both these products will only = >> support Red Hat 7.2 and 7.3 at the time of writing. People have >> tried Debian = > > No LSB support yet? That's what their customers need to ask for. Nope. And yes, I agree. With regards to RenderMan, Pixar have stated that they support versions supported (!) by Alias|Wavefront for the most part as they have build constraints placed on them by Maya (as RenderMan support for Maya is available as a plug-in). They said that given that requirement, it is logical for them to build all the other applications on these same platforms. It also means that we're stuck with Red Hat 7.2 as we build our own Maya plugins as well. >> problem. I'm sure that most commercial Linux software imposes limits >> on what distros are supported. Red Hat is going to be the closest >> you're = > > Really? I thought only proprietary software normally came with such > odious limits to their support? Sorry - proprietary/commercial - bleugh. What I think I was trying to say proprietary commercial software tends to post these limits. Regards, Martyn --===============5029923245915957671==-- From wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com Tue Apr 22 19:58:15 2003 From: Wayne Stallwood To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]Netbox Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:59:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304222007.56485.wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <13934EE147CED611BFC70000C0C94AF9106885@LOREENA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0466404904007300906==" --===============0466404904007300906== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday 22 April 2003 09:47, Adam Bower wrote: > nmap -sU -sS -p 0-65535 -O -v -oN logfile.log netbox.ip.address should give > you an udp scan (-sU) and tcp scan (-sS) on all ports (-p 0-65535) with os > fingerprinting (-O although you know its linux already) and verbose > reporting (-v) and log to a file logfile.log (-oN logfile.log) > > Should be what you are looking for, note udp scanning against linux could > take a very very long time :) Ok I have tried this (well at least half of it) The problem is that left unattended the netbox goes into standby thus dropping it's ethernet connection. So for now I have only done the TCP port scan and left the UDP one alone. Actually the power saving thing is very annoying as the one thing I could use this box for is a mp3 stream client. The TCP scan yielded no open ports. I have located a device made by M-Systems that would allow me to access the contents of the Disk On Chip device directly however this at $115 plus shipping is a little expensive for what is after all a rainy day toy. So has anyone got any bright ideas ? --===============0466404904007300906==-- From ian@redtommo.com Tue Apr 22 20:19:17 2003 From: Ian Bell To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]RH9 Opinions? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:20:02 +0000 Message-ID: <200304222019.36576.ian@redtommo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030422084034.GC3889@sdf-eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1834842625131997284==" --===============1834842625131997284== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday 22 Apr 2003 9:40 am, Alexis Lee wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2003 at 10:23:02PM +0100, Ian Bell wrote: > > I have debian 3 on DVD and if it were not for the significant backup task > > associated with a clean install I would be installing it now. > > You'd thank yourself later. Say, when RH 10 comes out ;) > > If you have broadband, I find net storage very convenient for holding > essentials during an upgrade. I live on the North norfolk coast so it will be some time before broadband gets here. And if you're like me, you might be > surprised how little data a few thousand hours of typing accumulates to. You are absolutely right. All I normaly back up are docs, code and email. However I have quite a lot of data sheets in pdf fornat that take up lots of space and a whole bunch of original mp3 files. I think I'll pop the pdf/mp3 on CD and the rest on zip as normal then install Debian. Now, should I install stable, testing or unstable? Ian --===============1834842625131997284==-- From lists@andrewsavory.com Tue Apr 22 20:30:36 2003 From: Andrew Savory