Mills wrote:
Raphael Mankin wrote:
Adam Bower wrote:
Mills wrote:
Raphael Mankin wrote:
<flamewar> As an employer of programmers of some 30 years experience I find that CS graduates are generally a dead loss. I would much rather employ English or Philosophy graduates: at least they know that they don't know. They also tend to have some knowledge of the world outside computers, unlike the CS graduates who can best be described as pig ignorant. </flamewar>
Please apologize for these comments.
Why the hell should anyone apologize for that!! It is an opinion, of which others don't agree, anyway here is my take on this I wasn't going to reply as I didn't want to generate any flamebait but however
You have go me on my hobby horse so ...
^^ try got<rant>
[snipped stuff about "modern" teaching] [snipped stuff about grammar]
OK I'll byte.
I subscribed to this mailing list to receive emails about LINUX, not about people who did not go to University, envious of the those who have. Mr Mankin flames all CS students by calling them "pig ignorant" in a self styled flamewar. Mr Mankin tells CS students they do not know about grammar, while in the same email he wrongly calls university lecturers, "teachers". This helps to show the small knowledge of universities the writers have.
But why did you subscribe to a list to learn about a free operating system when you have planly stated that we need to pay for software or it wont get written etc...
I think across this list there are a number of people who have a great knowledge of unversities, including a universitie lecturer, someone who works for the UEA, several students, several masters level students and a couple of PHD students, strikes me they know what they is talking about!
Hiring English or Philosophy graduates instead of CS is wrong, and disgusting. CS students are interested in computers and therefore their work. They also have more knowledge about computers and have a personality profile that is better for doing programming. It sounds as though Mr Mankin is just hiring people who are like him, this is common in business. It would be much better to hire on ability. Writing English and computer software are very different, and use different skills. Mr Mankin attacks universities but uses Linux, a clone of UNIX which is an OS made popular by it's use in universities. Linus was a CS student himself. So what happens to CS students who have worked at zero pay for several years including weeks of 50+ hours, they are, in your view, supposed to accept the dole queue. Please apologize or action may be taken.
Actions such as? remove them from the list? this I would like to see, Mark as admin would you like to remove these people from the list? I don't think I could with a clear conscience! :o)
As for hiring a Phil grad of english grad, I think they are all entitled to the job, if they can do it. As I said qualifications only mean stuff to personel and HR, to the rest we are all considered on our skill set, I worked for three years with people who had degrees ranging from Pyscology to maths to CS to electronics and then me and a couple of others with no degrees. As I said before a degree means shit,
I think here you make massive sterotypes of the people who do the different courses, I have in my Inbox the CV for a women who has a psychology degree who is no doubt a better C++ programmer than I a student of Computer Systems engineering!
If a CS student is good they will get a job, if not they join the dole que like the crap english, art, enginnering, music <insert subject here> student. I think it is you who needs to wake up and realise that those bits of paper we all wave about mean nothing!
How you can say some of your comments on Linux on this mail while also speaking out about it on IRC I don't know.
Sorry for the non-linear nature of this rant I am a bit annoyed ATM
Thanks
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