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Peter Onion Peter.Onion@btinternet.com wrote:
On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 22:21 +0100, Brett Parker wrote:
We are not being wreckless, we are going very slow and explaining the steps.
quino: Type cp /etc/fstab . wild: cp: missing destination file
Simple communication problem, simple to fix.
I think at that point you should have stopped and asked yourself if it was wise to carry on. I know what my answer would have been.
Yes, it was wise, as he now has a fully mountable windows partition.
Maybe when you loose the "I'm a teenager, I know everything" attitude you will learn to expect things to go wrong and take a more cautious approach to things like this.
Maybe you've never dealt with customers on a support line... where even the simplest operations like "right click on" can be translated in to any manner of things... maybe you lack patience? I have not got a "I'm a teenager, I know everything" attitude, I don't know if you've noticed, but there are other people in #alug that I delegate to on many things. And, in this case, there were at least 2 sets of eyes reading the channel at the time making sure that commands were right.
Sorry, but just out of interest, how did *you* first encounter fstab?
Probably about 20 years ago when I was managing a lab full of Sun 3/60s, some Whitechapple MG1s and a Vax 11/730 and 11/750 running 4.3 BSD. ;-)
Right, so real machines, and yet you're still scared of fstab?! Crikey. I've supported Remote Shadow over the phone, and that's *infinitely* more scary, especially as I haven't got a local machine to test that on.
As long as you do not remove random lines from it, it's fairly damned safe to edit.
You think ?
I *know*, I've got an fstab the size of new york at the moment, that does a hell of a lot of loopback mounting so that the various chroots on my system work. I do *not* take editing it lightly, adding a single line to it for a simple mount of a windows partition, however, is not a complex operation. There were also 2 backups of the origional /etc/fstab before we even started.
If you don't know what's safe and not safe to remove, don't remove things. Adding an extra line for mounting a partition read only is not rocket science. We are, as we said in channel, going through *very* slowly and checking and double checking before anything anyways.
Also, as wildfire_cs had already said, he's got *several* ubuntu live cds laying about, so if all else fails, we can repair it from there.
And you're sure they will have net access when they need to ask you how to fix it ?
Yes, as he's been online from the ubuntu live CD on more than one occasion.
Oh, and while I've been typing this response to your irrational post...
Sorry, but I don't think I'm the irrational one here....
Without knowing the history of wildfire_cs, and what we've already seen from him, you posted something to the list that was completely unfounded.
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22:16 <+quinophex> wildfire_cs: you don't have any important data in your ubuntu install do you? 22:16 < wildfire_cs> nope havent beena able to get at important dat yet thats wat im tryin to do
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It's a *clean* ubuntu install that he'd *only* just installed before connecting to IRC. We've done *FAR* scarier things over IRC... *waves to Jenny* - like compiling kernel modules for wifi cards...
I understand that at the moment you're probably a bit on edge due to the looming job interview.
WHAT has that got to do with it ?
You tell me.
I've no problem with people going "it's all doomed", but it's a little much when you're doing that and not listening to anyone else, and haven't bothered to ask the major questions that you outlined here.
And Neither had you though to ask about important data until AFTER I had gone. I wonder if it would have crossed your collective brain cell at all if I hadn't posted this to the list ?
Before changing fstab we *did* check, and by that time we'd already backed up the *one* file we were editing *twice*. As to "collective braincell" are you deliberately being abusive, or can you just not help yourself? Would you mind being *slightly* more polite, is it really that difficult to sit back and watch rather than shout at the top of your voice "it's all doomed" until someone has to threaten to remove you from the channel?! If your comments had been constructive as apposed to "oh shit it's all going to go wrong" then I'd be on your side, at this point in time, though, I can not see what you felt you were going to gain from the post? Believe it or not, there's a FUCKING LOT of stuff goes on in #alug that you'd probably disprove of or run away screaming at the site of it. #alug is there to *help* our members, we *are* careful about what we do, and we *do* think and test things before throwing them across the airwaves, *unless* the command is for someone that we *know* can debug it if it is wrong.
*SIGH* - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk