Hi Bev,

Have you said which make/model/age laptop this is? I have a newish inexpensive windows laptop, referred to as a "cloudbook" by ASUS, which I tossed to one side because it has become increasingly difficult to do anything at the level below the intended high level operating system. I had serious trouble with this one even after I'd already nuked microsoft from it, so you definitely are far from alone in your frustration. I'll have a go at it again this weekend since I'm thinking about it. Good luck with your quest.

On 12 Oct 2023, at 17:24, Bev Nicolson <lumos@gmx.co.uk> wrote:

Ah, "would that it were so simple"*. Located the Boot menu at last. Noted that the usb option is the first that is ticked on the list. Tried saving. It will not save. It just beeps at me, without offering any useful information about why it's beeping. I can't see a way of rearranging the order they come in either.

This is a laptop where someone other than me would go through the initial Windows 11 set up (language, internet settings, MS account etc) so I'm wondering if that's part of the problem here.

Bev.

*Hail Caesar quote.

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:15 PM
From: BD <dzidek23@gmail.com>
To: "Bev Nicolson" <lumos@gmx.co.uk>
Cc: alug-main <main@lists.alug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows

Bev,

I could add F9, F11 and F12 all depending on what laptop you are using.

Check online as it might save you plenty of time. Then look at boot device options and select your usb stick. That should start the installer.

Bart

11 Oct 2023 08:30:14 Bev Nicolson <lumos@gmx.co.uk>:

This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.

I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.

Bev.

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM
From: BD <dzidek23@gmail.com>
To: main@lists.alug.org.uk
Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows

Hi Bev,

I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.

Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC.
If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.

Cheerio,
Bart
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