Hi, I know we did knoppix onlist a few weeks back, but a pal of mine discovered knoppix the other day and was very impressed. He did ask me:
I want to know what you can't do with Knoppix that I could by doing a full install. I presume a proper install would give better performance.
And of course, I don't know. I'm going to be grilled on this as he'll presume I'm some sort of linux expert, and I need to have some answers ready so I don't tumble from my pedestal :-) Thanks, Jen
Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com wrote:
I want to know what you can't do with Knoppix that I could by doing a full install. I presume a proper install would give better performance.
And of course, I don't know.
Speed is the main one, and saving core settings can only be done to a floppy disk, I think. Upgrading is also rather difficult for a CD.
On Friday 06 June 2003 16:01, MJ Ray wrote:
I want to know what you can't do with Knoppix that I could by doing a full install. [snip]
Speed is the main one, and saving core settings can only be done to a floppy disk, I think. Upgrading is also rather difficult for a CD.
Erm, when I read this I assumed he meant Knoppix (installed after running the hdinstall script) compared to say actually installing a system from a set of installation CD's (say Redhat)
I assumed this as I couldn't imagine that anyone would use Knoppix from the CD for any amount of time.
Wayne
On Friday 06 June 2003 16:01, MJ Ray wrote:
I want to know what you can't do with Knoppix that I could by doing a full install. [snip]
Speed is the main one, and saving core settings can only be done to a floppy disk, I think. Upgrading is also rather difficult for a CD.
Erm, when I read this I assumed he meant Knoppix (installed after running the hdinstall script) compared to say actually installing a system from a set of installation CD's (say Redhat)
Me too. I'd also like to know myself what the major differences are between a Knoppix HDD install and an average Debian install. I'm told that Knoppix IS debian once it is installed on the Hard Disk and the debian wallpaper that keeps popping up suggests this is correct. But you need to a dist-upgrade to make it "proper" debian. In another thread MJR mentioned that some parts of Knoppix have dodgy licensing. We now have about three machines with Knoppix on at school and one failed Debian install from this afternoon, but I got distracted by a DVD. (thanks for the deb discs adam!)
On Friday 06 June 2003 20:03, Ben Francis wrote:
Erm, when I read this I assumed he meant Knoppix (installed after running the hdinstall script) compared to say actually installing a system from a set of installation CD's (say Redhat)
Me too. I'd also like to know myself what the major differences are between a Knoppix HDD install and an average Debian install. I'm told that Knoppix IS debian once it is installed on the Hard Disk and the debian wallpaper that keeps popping up suggests this is correct. But you need to a dist-upgrade to make it "proper" debian. In another thread MJR mentioned that some parts of Knoppix have dodgy licensing.
Well as far as I can tell the only major differences are that with the Knoppix install you have no precise control over what packages are installed, or control over what drivers are used (i.e Open/Non Open Nvidia drivers).
The dist-upgrade bit is surely just updating any older packages that were on the Knoppix CD
Naturally these are things that can be corrected later on, but what of these Licensing issues ? I didn't see that thread, can someone enlighten me please.
To all intents and purposes, Knoppix is a Debian install. A very small number of packages come from the non-free branch, and one or two have "suspect" licencing issues (Nvidia drivers, and shockwave plugins spring to mind). The Knoppix kernel has one patch applied that isn't in the mainstream sources, it allows 512 characters on the boot command line.
If you don't want the heavyweight KDE and apps, an alternative would be Morphix http://www.morphix.org - This is a knoppix derivative that uses an interesting method of mixing and matching modules to produce a Live CD.
I have a Morphix system installed on two machines here at the moment - They certainly look like a "proper" Debian install, and I'm currently adding some packages from Sarge. No conflicts have been found to date - Nor do I expect any.
Regards, Paul.
On Friday 06 June 2003 9:03 pm, Ben Francis wrote:
Me too. I'd also like to know myself what the major differences are between a Knoppix HDD install and an average Debian install. I'm told that Knoppix IS debian once it is installed on the Hard Disk and the debian wallpaper that keeps popping up suggests this is correct. But you need to a dist-upgrade to make it "proper" debian.
On Friday 06 Jun 2003 1:36 pm, Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com wrote:
Hi, I know we did knoppix onlist a few weeks back, but a pal of mine discovered
knoppix the other day and was very impressed. He did ask me:
I want to know what you can't do with Knoppix that I could by doing a full install. I presume a proper install would give better performance.
And of course, I don't know. I'm going to be grilled on this as he'll presume I'm some sort of linux expert, and I need to have some answers ready so I don't tumble from my pedestal :-) Thanks, Jen
I have tried it. Take care if installing on a system with no scsi devices. best to use the noscsi option else it may lock up (mine did). From what I could see all the basics were there including open office IIRC (as much as you can fit on one CD) but thereafter you can apt-get to you hearts content. CD install definitely runs slower than hd install. Be careful to get the latest version. Older ones had broken UK keyboard support and defaulted to the German language.
Ian
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