Next meeting at Syleham will be Sunday 28th November 2004 2:00 - 6:00pm. Bring kit if you want to, bar will be open. Meeting venue page here http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html
Cheers, BJ
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 13:50, John Woodard wrote:
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Next meeting at Syleham will be Sunday 28th November 2004 2:00 - 6:00pm. Bring kit if you want to, bar will be open. Meeting venue page here http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html
Cheers, BJ
Why, why, why, why, why did this take over 48 hours to get out onto announce after BJ posted it? How many are subscribed to announce only? Why is there no information anywhere obvious on the Alug website about announce? No-one seems to be able to subscribe voluntarily to it. The only clue I've been able to find is the phrase "please consider keeping in touch by joining the announcements mailing list", on the main list signup page. If I wasn't already subscribed, I'd have no idea how to get onto announce. Only by figuring out to go (manually, no links) down to http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ and see the list of mailing lists.
/Kirsten
On 2004-10-25 22:28:13 +0100 Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk wrote:
Why, why, why, why, why did this take over 48 hours to get out onto announce after BJ posted it?
Mail server lag and the moderation queue. It's a month away. Nothing is on fire.
How many are subscribed to announce only?
55 are subscribed. In theory no-one needs to subscribe to both that and main, as announcements appear on main too.
Why is there no information anywhere obvious on the Alug website about announce?
With the change back from newsletters to simple announcements, some of the text has become out-of-date. You could have just pointed that out instead of flaming. I'll see to that and other web tasks Real Soon Now.
On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 23:37, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-10-25 22:28:13 +0100 Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk wrote:
Why, why, why, why, why did this take over 48 hours to get out onto announce after BJ posted it?
Mail server lag and the moderation queue. It's a month away. Nothing is on fire.
What if it had been an announcement for the next day? You'd have missed it.
Why is there no information anywhere obvious on the Alug website about announce?
With the change back from newsletters to simple announcements, some of the text has become out-of-date. You could have just pointed that out instead of flaming. I'll see to that and other web tasks Real Soon Now.
It wasn't a flame. It was a set of questions I was waiting to ask you during the Monday IRC meeting you didn't show up at for what seems like the first time ever, and was tired and pissed off with waiting.
Why can't there be certain people like Noodles and BJ whose posts don't need moderating? - that way announcements could get through promptly. It just seems odd to me that there's this list which you are very concerned people post their announcements to, but which is read by few and takes you a while to get round to sorting out.
/Kirsten
On 2004-10-26 16:14:31 +0100 Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk wrote:
What if it had been an announcement for the next day?
Then it would have been submitted a bit too late.
[...]
Why can't there be certain people like Noodles and BJ whose posts don't need moderating? - that way announcements could get through promptly.
I don't know.
It just seems odd to me that there's this list which you are very concerned people post their announcements to, but which is read by few
There are 55 on it directly and then the 250 or so people on main see it indirectly. I don't think 300 is few.
and takes you a while to get round to sorting out.
Announce submissions are reviewed most days. This is as described on its info page. Announce is probably the most clearly documented and reliably serviced ALUG list.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:13:23AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-10-26 16:14:31 +0100 Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk wrote:
and takes you a while to get round to sorting out.
Announce submissions are reviewed most days. This is as described on its info page. Announce is probably the most clearly documented and reliably serviced ALUG list.
"Most days", hang on, this is an almost anarchaic group, with some long term members, that aren't even trusted enough to be allowed to moderate the announce list? Surely having this task as a one man excercise is just plain dumb in the case of a group like ALUG, we have no real structure, but there's a core set of people that I would trust in maintaining the site and lists. I'd suggest BJ and Adam Bower for moderating the Alug Announce list, as well as yourself. I see the point about next day posts, but it is just an excuse as there's no one else maintaining the list.
(Hey, while I'm on track, who has actually got access to the alug website? and what happens if they get run over by a bus? who's got recent backups? are we going to have another situation where the site dies and it takes ages for someone to get round to it?)
Cheers,
On 2004-10-27 09:29:39 +0100 Brett Parker iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk wrote:
"Most days", hang on, this is an almost anarchaic group, with some long term members, that aren't even trusted enough to be allowed to moderate the announce list? [...]
This isn't a question of trust. The announce list is working as specified. Instead, why aren't you worrying about the need for more active main list admins, the pages on the web site that need new authors or, most importantly IMO, the shortage of meeting organisers?
(Hey, while I'm on track, who has actually got access to the alug website?
The wiki/contrib area is open access still, but that may have to change because we're getting more WikiSpam. I believe the static files can be changed by me, Darren Casey and Martyn Drake, but I'm not exactly sure.
and what happens if they get run over by a bus?
Someone else takes over.
who's got recent backups?
I have. Not sure who else. Please mirror the web site if you can.
are we going to have another situation where the site dies and it takes ages for someone to get round to it?)
Reply hazy: ask again later.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:12:24PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
I believe the static files can be changed by me, Darren Casey and Martyn Drake, but I'm not exactly sure.
Shouldn't someone *be* sure?
Could someone with the appropriate access please apply the 2 attached diffs; one updates the Norwich meeting page until the end of the year and the other adds a link to the City Gate venue page to pictures of the usual suspects.
J.
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:29:51 +0100, Jonathan McDowell noodles@earth.li wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:12:24PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
I believe the static files can be changed by me, Darren Casey and Martyn Drake, but I'm not exactly sure.
Shouldn't someone *be* sure?
Could someone with the appropriate access please apply the 2 attached diffs; one updates the Norwich meeting page until the end of the year and the other adds a link to the City Gate venue page to pictures of the usual suspects.
J.
The best way would be to submit the website into subversion/cvs, where interested parties registered as alug members can have access to update? If there is breakage we can revert. It's not a good advert for a respectable gnu-linux user group to be emailing web pages to each other. Jen
On 2004-10-27 12:42:50 +0100 Jenny Hopkins hopkins.jenny@gmail.com wrote:
The best way would be to submit the website into subversion/cvs, where interested parties registered as alug members can have access to update?
The site used to be in cvs, but only two people really used it and the other stopped before the server move broke it. I'll set version control up again if people want to use it again. Probably arch/tla as I'm sure I can do that on the current server without troubling the admins.
[...] It's not a good advert for a respectable gnu-linux user group to be emailing web pages to each other.
We're still ahead of the crowd. You can send diffs and don't need to learn scripting languages just to edit a page (unless you want to).
On 2004-10-27 12:29:51 +0100 Jonathan McDowell noodles@earth.li wrote:
Shouldn't someone *be* sure?
I didn't think it that important. I just checked and it seems that there's no ssh key for Martyn there, so I was wrong.
Could someone with the appropriate access please apply the 2 attached diffs [...]
Applied and uploaded. I also added you to the meta tags for those pages. Hope that's OK.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 01:30:29PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-10-27 12:29:51 +0100 Jonathan McDowell noodles@earth.li wrote:
Shouldn't someone *be* sure?
I didn't think it that important. I just checked and it seems that there's no ssh key for Martyn there, so I was wrong.
It's important from a security point of view - I'm sure Darren, as the sponsor, doesn't want to think that we're being lax with access to the account he's so kindly provided.
It's also useful to know from the point of view of making updates - I know you tend to be pretty busy, so knowing there are other people I can bug is good.
Jenny's suggestion of some sort of revision control makes sense, or perhaps we could move more of the site into the wiki - that gives revision control for free and means anyone can do updates. Though there doesn't seem to be the concept of users with whatever wiki version is in use at present?
Could someone with the appropriate access please apply the 2 attached diffs [...]
Applied and uploaded. I also added you to the meta tags for those pages. Hope that's OK.
Doesn't bother me either way; thanks.
J.
On 2004-10-27 13:34:04 +0100 Jonathan McDowell noodles@earth.li wrote:
[...] I'm sure Darren, as the sponsor, doesn't want to think that we're being lax with access to the account he's so kindly provided.
Of course, but it was just list chatter rather than Darren asking, so I didn't check the notes.
[...] Though there doesn't seem to be the concept of users with whatever wiki version is in use at present?
No. It's probably installed incorrectly, too. Backup tarball is at http://www.alug.org.uk/src/alug-contrib.tar.gz if anyone wants to take a look and contribute a fix, or try converting it to kwiki or similar.
[...] I'm sure Darren, as the sponsor, doesn't want to think that we're being lax with access to the account he's so kindly provided.
Of course, but it was just list chatter rather than Darren asking, so I didn't check the notes.
I'll gladly update anything that is of use to the site.
I'm sorry I missed the domain the other month we would have put it on our tag it wouldn't have been a problem
Just give me a shout, sometimes workload means I don't monitor the list every day
Darren
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:13:23AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-10-26 16:14:31 +0100 Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk wrote:
Why can't there be certain people like Noodles and BJ whose posts don't need moderating? - that way announcements could get through promptly.
I don't know.
Presumably because no one with the appropriate authority has gone to:
http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/admin/announce/privacy
and entered the appropriate addresses in the text area labelled "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement."
J.
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