On 12-Jun-2012 19:39:55 mick wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:00:49 +0100 (BST) (Ted Harding) Ted.Harding@wlandres.net allegedly wrote:

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Greetings all! Anyone out there who banks with Barclays and is having problems accessing Online Banking with Linux?

Ted

Fine here (FF 13.0 on xubuntu 12.04.

As for suggestions, maybe update your setup? Or better yet, change you bank......

Mick

[From my previous message]: "I'm using (an admittedly slightly elderly) Iceweasel 2.0.0.19 of 2006 on a Debian Etch 2.6.18 last updated Feb 2010."

I just tried again on another machine which has Iceweasel 3.0.6 (2010) on a Debian 2.6.26 of Nov 2010. Still the same problem.

Given that I had no problems at all up to 6 days ago, presumably Barclays have changed something.

Might it be a Java problem in my browser?

Ted.

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On 03-Jul-2012 00:05:35 MJ Ray wrote:

Ted Harding wrote:

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I just tried again on another machine which has Iceweasel 3.0.6 (2010) on a Debian 2.6.26 of Nov 2010. Still the same problem.

Given that I had no problems at all up to 6 days ago, presumably Barclays have changed something.

Might it be a Java problem in my browser?

Dunno. Does Barclays Online Banking use Java at all? It looks like a bit of a car crash in a web widget factory to me, but looks more like a web app than a Java app.

http://www.barclays.co.uk/Helpsupport/Upgradeyourwebbrowser/P1242580160252 suggests that Barclays require Firefox 3.6 or higher, so your 3.0.6 is probably too old. If you want later versions of Iceweasel on Debian stable, see http://mozilla.debian.net/ for download instructions.

ObPlug: leave Barclays, the lying swines. http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/120796 Bank on something better: http://www.MoveYourMoney.org.uk/

Hope that helps,

MJ Ray

Thanks for those comments. Potentially useful! (By the way, while I have sympathy with comments about Barclays, it is nonetheless the only bank with a branch within 10 miles of where I live, so I do keep an account there).

I have found that when, instead of Iceweasel, I open the Epiphany web-browser which is installed in the Gnome taskbar by default in my Debian, I can indeed connect to Barclays without difficulty,

However, when I finish the first stage (name & security number) of logging in, and click to move on to the next stage (letters from password), I immediately get the following pop-up:

Connect to untrusted site? It was not possible to automatically trust "*.tt.omtrdc.net". It is possible that someone is intercepting your communication to obtain your confidential information.

You should only connect to the site if you are certain you are connected to "*.tt.omtrdc.net".

When I click on "View Certificate" in this pop-up, I see:

Could not verify this certificate because the issuer is unknown. Issued To Common Name: *.tt.omtrdc.net Organisation: Adobe Systems Incorporated Organisational Unit: Omniture BU

Issued By Common Name: DigiCert High Assurance CA-3 Organisation: DigiCert Inc Organisational Unit: www.digicert.com

[blah blah]

So here (for the time being) I halt. While DigiCert (according to their website) give the appearance of respectability, I wonder why attempting to log in to Barclays links to a certificate they have apparently issued to Adobe. How come Barclays link to Adobe, specifically to Omniture (part of Adobe) whose function (according to www.omniture.com ) is an online-martketing data-sollection setup?

The last thing I want while entering my security info into the Barclays login is for any of this to get anywhere near any external organisation (let alone a marketing setup).

Or might this be something thrown up by Epiphany itself (I doubt it, since it hasn't happened for other sites I have visited using Epiphany).

Or, in fact, is the whole thing really harmless, and my reaction perhaps paranoid?

Informed comments welcome!

With thanks, Ted.

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On 05-Jul-2012 13:25:03 Ted Harding wrote:

On 03-Jul-2012 00:05:35 MJ Ray wrote:

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Ted Harding wrote:

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I just tried again on another machine which has Iceweasel 3.0.6 (2010) on a Debian 2.6.26 of Nov 2010. Still the same problem.

Given that I had no problems at all up to 6 days ago, presumably Barclays have changed something.

Might it be a Java problem in my browser?

Dunno. Does Barclays Online Banking use Java at all? It looks like a bit of a car crash in a web widget factory to me, but looks more like a web app than a Java app.

http://www.barclays.co.uk/Helpsupport/Upgradeyourwebbrowser/P1242580160252 suggests that Barclays require Firefox 3.6 or higher, so your 3.0.6 is probably too old. If you want later versions of Iceweasel on Debian stable, see http://mozilla.debian.net/ for download instructions.

ObPlug: leave Barclays, the lying swines. http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/120796 Bank on something better: http://www.MoveYourMoney.org.uk/

Hope that helps,

MJ Ray

Thanks for those comments. Potentially useful! (By the way, while I have sympathy with comments about Barclays, it is nonetheless the only bank with a branch within 10 miles of where I live, so I do keep an account there).

I have found that when, instead of Iceweasel, I open the Epiphany web-browser which is installed in the Gnome taskbar by default in my Debian, I can indeed connect to Barclays without difficulty,

However, when I finish the first stage (name & security number) of logging in, and click to move on to the next stage (letters from password), I immediately get the following pop-up:

Connect to untrusted site? It was not possible to automatically trust "*.tt.omtrdc.net". It is possible that someone is intercepting your communication to obtain your confidential information.

You should only connect to the site if you are certain you are connected to "*.tt.omtrdc.net".

When I click on "View Certificate" in this pop-up, I see:

Could not verify this certificate because the issuer is unknown. Issued To Common Name: *.tt.omtrdc.net Organisation: Adobe Systems Incorporated Organisational Unit: Omniture BU

Issued By Common Name: DigiCert High Assurance CA-3 Organisation: DigiCert Inc Organisational Unit: www.digicert.com

[blah blah]

So here (for the time being) I halt. While DigiCert (according to their website) give the appearance of respectability, I wonder why attempting to log in to Barclays links to a certificate they have apparently issued to Adobe. How come Barclays link to Adobe, specifically to Omniture (part of Adobe) whose function (according to www.omniture.com ) is an online-martketing data-sollection setup?

The last thing I want while entering my security info into the Barclays login is for any of this to get anywhere near any external organisation (let alone a marketing setup).

Or might this be something thrown up by Epiphany itself (I doubt it, since it hasn't happened for other sites I have visited using Epiphany).

Or, in fact, is the whole thing really harmless, and my reaction perhaps paranoid?

Informed comments welcome!

With thanks, Ted.

Maybe it was something to do with Epiphany on that particular machine.

I just tried again with Epiphany on a different Debian machine, and did not encounter that "Certificate" issue at all.

Still puzzled, because I have hardly ever used Epiphany (only a few times in the past, out of curiosity; recently, only as an experiment for site, like Barclays, which have hung when I try to access them from Iceweasel).

Hmmm ... Ted.

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