About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10. I'm on 11.10 having just done the same thing and Unity is still utterly hideous but I seem to have a problem. Apart from not being able to choose what I get when I log in, Gnome fallback session appears to have been deleted (though googling still refers to it) so whenever I try to find it in Ubuntu's software manager, I can't. Help.
Bev.
On 3 November 2012 21:18, Bev Nicolson lumos60@gmail.com wrote:
About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10. I'm on 11.10 having just done the same thing <snip>
S'ok. Panic over. For anyone else in this situation though, sudo apt-get updates (or update? and a restart) did the business.
Bev.
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 09:18:05PM +0000, Bev Nicolson wrote:
About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10. I'm on 11.10 having just done the same thing and Unity is still utterly hideous but I seem to have a problem. Apart from not being able to choose what I get when I log in, Gnome fallback session appears to have been deleted (though googling still refers to it) so whenever I try to find it in Ubuntu's software manager, I can't. Help.
xubuntu.
On 3 November 2012 22:12, Chris Green cl@isbd.net wrote:
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 09:18:05PM +0000, Bev Nicolson wrote:
About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10. I'm on 11.10 having just done the same thing and Unity is still utterly hideous but I seem to have a problem. Apart from not being able to choose what I get when I log in, Gnome fallback session appears to have been deleted (though googling still refers to it) so whenever I try to find it in Ubuntu's software manager, I can't. Help.
xubuntu.
Cinnamon?
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 22:25:37 +0000 John Woodard mail@johnwoodard.co.uk allegedly wrote:
On 3 November 2012 22:12, Chris Green cl@isbd.net wrote:
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 09:18:05PM +0000, Bev Nicolson wrote:
About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10. I'm on 11.10 having just done the same thing and Unity is still utterly hideous but I seem to
xubuntu.
Cinnamon?
Or mint.
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Bev, are you aware of the MATE project? It's a well maintained fork of Gnome 2 and is supported on recent Ubuntu releases.
See the download page here for installation instructions: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
stevepdp
On 04/11/12 00:18, Steve Pearce wrote:
Bev, are you aware of the MATE project? It's a well maintained fork of Gnome 2 and is supported on recent Ubuntu releases.
See the download page here for installation instructions: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
I hated unity but converted all my machines to Gnome Shell a while ago.
Once you get over the changes I think it is a step forward, it's the default interface on LMDE now and it's only an apt-get install away from working quite well on Ubuntu
On 4 November 2012 00:18, Steve Pearce stevepearce.dev@gmail.com wrote:
Bev, are you aware of the MATE project? It's a well maintained fork of Gnome 2 and is supported on recent Ubuntu releases.
See the download page here for installation instructions: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
No I wasn't but it looks interesting. Thanks. (Gnome OS apparently due in 2014. Also a possibility.)
Bev.
On 04/11/12 12:30, Bev Nicolson wrote:
No I wasn't but it looks interesting. Thanks. (Gnome OS apparently due in 2014. Also a possibility.)
AIUI, Gnome OS is a OS intended to be a stable platform on which to develop the Gnome Desktop on. Dunno if it's intended for your average punter BICBW!
On 4 November 2012 20:43, steve-ALUG@hst.me.uk wrote:
AIUI, Gnome OS is a OS intended to be a stable platform on which to develop the Gnome Desktop on. Dunno if it's intended for your average punter BICBW!
Ah yes, you're right. I hadn't read the Linux Format article correctly. (A rare treat. The magazine, not the not reading properly...)
Bev.
xfce, its the new gnome.
Personally I use fluxbox. Fast, simple, intuitive. No clutter. The surprising thing about it is that if you give it to a technophobe, after ten minutes they are at home.
Contrary to HIG dogma.
Al
On Sunday 04 November 2012 12:30:20 Bev Nicolson wrote:
On 4 November 2012 00:18, Steve Pearce stevepearce.dev@gmail.com wrote:
Bev, are you aware of the MATE project? It's a well maintained fork of Gnome 2 and is supported on recent Ubuntu releases.
See the download page here for installation instructions: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
No I wasn't but it looks interesting. Thanks. (Gnome OS apparently due in 2014. Also a possibility.)
Bev.
On 05 Nov 10:22, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
xfce, its the new gnome.
Personally I use fluxbox. Fast, simple, intuitive. No clutter. The surprising thing about it is that if you give it to a technophobe, after ten minutes they are at home.
Personally, I use awesome, have a minorly customised config from the debian defaults, and stick with debian as far as possible (least likely distro to make horrific decisions for the users ever!).
OK - so my setup is marginally odd, such things as having xkb remap CapsLock to Meta4 for me... (who the heck needs CapsLock anyways? And that key tends not to move, unlike the "Windows" key that is by default bound to Meta4), I tend to have 2 terminals per "tag" in awesome terms, and have 9 "tags" to choose from - tag 2 is dedicated to a maximised browser, and tags 7-9 are floating workspaces (i.e. windows are resizable etc and it's not tiled). I find that this works better for me than having everything floating, and I know that on tag 1 I'll find IRC and my personal mail (in screen, on my vm), and on tag 3 at work I'll find my work mail. tag 2 is always a browser (maybe more than one), tag 7 tends to be a graphical IM client at work, and could be anything at home. 8 and 9 are just "spare" until I need it.
Thanks,
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 10:30:34AM +0000, Brett Parker wrote:
On 05 Nov 10:22, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
xfce, its the new gnome.
Personally I use fluxbox. Fast, simple, intuitive. No clutter. The surprising thing about it is that if you give it to a technophobe, after ten minutes they are at home.
Personally, I use awesome, have a minorly customised config from the debian defaults, and stick with debian as far as possible (least likely distro to make horrific decisions for the users ever!).
I'm *thinking* about moving from my long-time favourite xfce/xubuntu to lxde/lubuntu as that uses Openbox as its window manager. Alternatively I may move to E17/Enlightenment, I'm not sure I'm keen on Openbox using XML configuration files.
OK - so my setup is marginally odd, such things as having xkb remap CapsLock to Meta4 for me... (who the heck needs CapsLock anyways? And
What's odd about that, CapsLock is an abomination that should never have been invented!
that key tends not to move, unlike the "Windows" key that is by default bound to Meta4), I tend to have 2 terminals per "tag" in awesome terms, and have 9 "tags" to choose from - tag 2 is dedicated to a maximised browser, and tags 7-9 are floating workspaces (i.e. windows are resizable etc and it's not tiled). I find that this works better for me than having everything floating, and I know that on tag 1 I'll find IRC and my personal mail (in screen, on my vm), and on tag 3 at work I'll find my work mail. tag 2 is always a browser (maybe more than one), tag 7 tends to be a graphical IM client at work, and could be anything at home. 8 and 9 are just "spare" until I need it.
On 5 November 2012 10:30, Brett Parker iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk wrote:
On 05 Nov 10:22, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
xfce, its the new gnome.
Personally I use fluxbox. Fast, simple, intuitive. No clutter. The surprising thing about it is that if you give it to a technophobe, after ten minutes they are at home.
Personally, I use awesome, have a minorly customised config from the debian defaults, and stick with debian as far as possible (least likely distro to make horrific decisions for the users ever!).
OK - so my setup is marginally odd, such things as having xkb remap CapsLock to Meta4 for me... (who the heck needs CapsLock anyways? And
What a damn good idea! Now why didn't I think of that.
Cheers, BJ
So now I have a desktop where the panels at the top have shifted to one side so all I can see of Applications is 'lications' and the x to close either of the two browsers I have is hidden.(Screen resolution is fine.) Options?
Plus (if that's not enough to be going on with) I've got Wingdings installed but the option doesn't show up in Libre Office. This is a pain if you want to fill forms in. Will uninstalling it then reinstalling work? I may be back one day to ask how to install another Linux OS of course...
Bev.
At Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:51:00 +0000, John Woodard wrote:
On 5 November 2012 10:30, Brett Parker iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk wrote:
OK - so my setup is marginally odd, such things as having xkb remap CapsLock to Meta4 for me... (who the heck needs CapsLock anyways? And
What a damn good idea! Now why didn't I think of that.
It's well known in the Emacs world, due to the risk of RSI.
Richard
On 03/11/12 21:18, Bev Nicolson wrote:
About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10.
Nev is still aghast at this. I'm still running 10.04 as a result. I tried 11.10 and 12.04 (the replacement LTS version) for several months but they ware so unstable as to be unusable (just my experience YMMV) I tried with both the unity desktop and with (the much crippled) gnome.
Luckily constant up-time is less of a problem now I have the web server running on a Raspberry Pi. So I can play with other distros but to be honest, anything that is aimed at the tablet market just isn't going to make me happy.
Nev (still lurking)
On 04-Nov-2012 15:54:06 nev young wrote:
On 03/11/12 21:18, Bev Nicolson wrote:
About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10.
Nev is still aghast at this. I'm still running 10.04 as a result. I tried 11.10 and 12.04 (the replacement LTS version) for several months but they ware so unstable as to be unusable (just my experience YMMV) I tried with both the unity desktop and with (the much crippled) gnome.
Luckily constant up-time is less of a problem now I have the web server running on a Raspberry Pi. So I can play with other distros but to be honest, anything that is aimed at the tablet market just isn't going to make me happy.
Nev (still lurking)
Classic Gnome is very well adapted to my working habits (which can be complicated, but Gnome allows me to navigate through them with ease). I had a look at Unity, since that was to be the future, and was nauseated.
A solution I am trying at the moment (recent experimental installation) is Scientific Linux:
https://www.scientificlinux.org
This is based on RHEL/Fedora but is independently complied from source, and is devotedly maintained by the various labs (CERN, Fermilab, etc.) that set it up in the first place and are involved in maintaining it. Their philosophy seems to be "No bl***y nosense, thank you".
In particular, they have versions which stick to classic Gnome, and they seem determined to keep classic Gnome going. See e.g.:
https://www.scientificlinux.org/news/SL6.3-live
"Scientific Linux 6.3 LiveCD, LiveMiniCD and LiveDVD are officially released. They are available for 32-bit and 64-bit and come with following window manager
LiveMiniCD icewm LiveCD gnome LiveDVD gnome, kde, icewm"
The one thing I haven't fully sussed out yet is the full detail for installing extra packages (including those complied for Fedora outside of the SciLin groups -- e.g. the statistical software R). But the machine I have it on is running fine so far, and has the exact Gnome that I know and love.
This may tempt/be useful to some!
Best wishes to all, Ted.
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On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Ted Harding Ted.Harding@wlandres.net wrote:
On 04-Nov-2012 15:54:06 nev young wrote:
On 03/11/12 21:18, Bev Nicolson wrote:
About this time last year, nev was aghast at Unity being foisted on him because of his upgrade to 11.10.
Nev is still aghast at this. I'm still running 10.04 as a result. I tried 11.10 and 12.04 (the replacement LTS version) for several months but they ware so unstable as to be unusable (just my experience YMMV) I tried with both the unity desktop and with (the much crippled) gnome.
Luckily constant up-time is less of a problem now I have the web server running on a Raspberry Pi. So I can play with other distros but to be honest, anything that is aimed at the tablet market just isn't going to make me happy.
Nev (still lurking)
Classic Gnome is very well adapted to my working habits (which can be complicated, but Gnome allows me to navigate through them with ease). I had a look at Unity, since that was to be the future, and was nauseated.
A solution I am trying at the moment (recent experimental installation) is Scientific Linux:
https://www.scientificlinux.org
This is based on RHEL/Fedora but is independently complied from source, and is devotedly maintained by the various labs (CERN, Fermilab, etc.) that set it up in the first place and are involved in maintaining it. Their philosophy seems to be "No bl***y nosense, thank you".
In particular, they have versions which stick to classic Gnome, and they seem determined to keep classic Gnome going. See e.g.:
https://www.scientificlinux.org/news/SL6.3-live
"Scientific Linux 6.3 LiveCD, LiveMiniCD and LiveDVD are officially released. They are available for 32-bit and 64-bit and come with following window manager
LiveMiniCD icewm LiveCD gnome LiveDVD gnome, kde, icewm"
The one thing I haven't fully sussed out yet is the full detail for installing extra packages (including those complied for Fedora outside of the SciLin groups -- e.g. the statistical software R). But the machine I have it on is running fine so far, and has the exact Gnome that I know and love.
This may tempt/be useful to some!
Best wishes to all, Ted.
Scientific linux that's an interesting choice.
I had a 'distro review' back in late 2009 when i was trying to decide which to stay with before unity came out. I looked at Mint, Centos... and scientific linux...... and loads of others. It's a worthwhile exercise every now and again.
rpm is ok until it comes to updates - just seems to take forever. Yet one should be aware that more distros are rpm based than deb forked. For package management apt-debian i think is still the best (as opposed to PCLos which is apt-rpm... think they are the only ones).
I found i liked xfce and Mint. Then after no updates for a while i wondered what was going on. Apparently the maintainer had domestic problems. Some of the smaller distros have few staff to support it - worth bearing in mind.
I've been using xubuntu and i have to say that it's what i'm happiest with - minimal but with some nice apps like the file renamer... basic but better than Pyrename and Krename. Ubuntu seems to have taken a 'nosedive' along with suse this last couple of years.
james
On 04/11/2012 20:49, James Freer wrote:
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rpm is ok until it comes to updates - just seems to take forever. Yet one should be aware that more distros are rpm based than deb forked. For package management apt-debian i think is still the best (as opposed to PCLos which is apt-rpm... think they are the only ones).
I agree with you about RPMs, they are a right PITA, but not about Debian package management: so I beg to differ - based on a certain bias!
Although not ideal for all circumstances - after all, everything is source-built - but I think Gentoo's Portage is by far the best package management system out there. On servers, with no GUI, source-built is fine, and there are lots of short-cuts to be done building machines in the first instance. For a desktop, it's not so good as it can take many, many hours on a slower machine.
For desktops, there's Gentoo-based Sabayon 10, which (currently) supports Linux Kernel 3.5.4; KDE 4.9, GNOME 3.4.2, Xfce 4.10.0, and MATE 1.4.1, and is all binary-based.
It uses a tool called entropy for package management, which is based on Portage, but differs quite significantly with regard to the interface. The distro allows one to continue to use Portage, but they advise against it unless one really knows what one is doing. They strongly advise sticking to one or the other, and for desktops, I stick to Entropy and binary builds.
See: http://www.sabayon.org/release/press-release-sabayon-10 and http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=FAQ
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