[Apologies if you get this twice -- initially sent from wrong email address]
Hi Folks,
I know the weather has been dire, especially for Lincolnshire in our region. But I didn't expect it to overwhelm a browser!
When I try
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/
(the "Lincolnshire Echo" website) I get a segfault almost as soon as the page opens.
This is with both Firefox 1.04 (2005) on Red Hat 9, and also Mozilla 1.3 (2003) on a SuSE 7.2 installation (so it's not due to anything didgy on a particular machine).
Anyone else can confirm/comment on this observation?
Best wishes to all, Ted.
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 07:47:43PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote:
This is with both Firefox 1.04 (2005) on Red Hat 9, and also Mozilla 1.3 (2003) on a SuSE 7.2 installation (so it's not due to anything didgy on a particular machine).
Anyone else can confirm/comment on this observation?
Well, I'm not using such quite obsolete browsers ;) but on firefox 2.0.blah when I open that in a tab it pegs the cpu on my laptop to 100% not really sure why... but it does.
Adam
On 25-Jun-07 20:32:35, Adam Bower wrote:
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 07:47:43PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote:
This is with both Firefox 1.04 (2005) on Red Hat 9, and also Mozilla 1.3 (2003) on a SuSE 7.2 installation (so it's not due to anything didgy on a particular machine).
Anyone else can confirm/comment on this observation?
Well, I'm not using such quite obsolete browsers ;) but on firefox 2.0.blah when I open that in a tab it pegs the cpu on my laptop to 100% not really sure why... but it does.
Adam
Thanks Adam. Interesting. On a possibly not unrelated issue, I've been increasingly seeing in recent weeks that many of the newspaper web-pages heave with overlaying advertising stuff.
The Guardian over the last fortnight or so has something which manages to blank out half the list of news items (I suspect this is my Firefox trying to suppress "popups"), once you get down to "UK News" (the top level is fine).
Maybe the Lincoolnshire Echo (which in the past has not been problematic) has started giving room to this garbage? Maybe a Certain Explorer has a secret provision for dealing correctly with this kind of thing, which the web designers cater for?
[And my obsolete browsers at least have the grace to die quickly and quietly, without freezing mt machines :)] ***
Best wishes to all, Ted.
*** Chubby-jowled smiley[1]
[1] Let me have men about me that are fat, Sleek-headed men, and such as sleep o' nights. Yond Linux has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 09:50:42PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote:
Maybe the Lincoolnshire Echo (which in the past has not been problematic) has started giving room to this garbage? Maybe a Certain Explorer has a secret provision for dealing correctly with this kind of thing, which the web designers cater for?
No idea, I might take a look later on but i'm chucking gigabytes of data around at the moment and I don't want to drop any of them.
[And my obsolete browsers at least have the grace to die quickly and quietly, without freezing mt machines :)] ***
But! but! but! I'm running linux so I didn't actually notice! it was only when the laptop spun the fan up and I noticed that my leg was getting warm that the page had done it (I'd left the tab open for a few minutes). Otherwise I'd have been none the wiser, i'd like to know what would happen on a certain other os ;)
Adam
On 25-Jun-07 21:03:40, Adam Bower wrote:
But! but! but! I'm running linux so I didn't actually notice! it was only when the laptop spun the fan up and I noticed that my leg was getting warm that the page had done it (I'd left the tab open for a few minutes). Otherwise I'd have been none the wiser, i'd like to know what would happen on a certain other os ;)
Adam
Yes, my fan is spinning now, and I see that CUP usage is fluctuating around 90-95%. Ted.
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On Monday 25 June 2007 19:47:43 Ted Harding wrote:
[Apologies if you get this twice -- initially sent from wrong email address]
Hi Folks,
I know the weather has been dire, especially for Lincolnshire in our region. But I didn't expect it to overwhelm a browser!
When I try
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/
(the "Lincolnshire Echo" website) I get a segfault almost as soon as the page opens.
This is with both Firefox 1.04 (2005) on Red Hat 9, and also Mozilla 1.3 (2003) on a SuSE 7.2 installation (so it's not due to anything didgy on a particular machine).
Anyone else can confirm/comment on this observation?
Can't reproduce it here on firefox, mozilla or konqueror, and the other half can't reproduce it on her machine either...
Comment-wise, I'm quite surprised at those versions... :-)
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 19:47 +0100, ted.harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
It is a fairly evil page with lots of animated banners etc, and you are using a fairly old browser in both instances.
It renders without crashing on my copy of Firefox/2.0.0.3 but I did notice it pegged the CPU quite high (it was actually the xorg process that was having a fit so this may be a side effect of running Beryl) as soon as the Hot Jobs scroller loaded.
You could try redirecting jobs.thisislincolnshire.co.uk to 127.0.0.1 in your hosts file which won't stop the scroller from loading but will at least give it no content to scroll.
Either that or disable Javascript but this does stuff the layout and functionality of that page somewhat.
Ultimately though I would suggest seeing what the latest version of Firefox is that you can run on your systems..Redhat 9 must be capable of running Firefox 1.5 at the very least and the requirements for even version 2 aren't that outrageous (glibc 2.3.2, XFree86- 3.3.6, gtk+2.0, fontconfig/xft and libstdc++5)
On 25-Jun-07 20:47:41, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 19:47 +0100, ted.harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
[...] You could try redirecting jobs.thisislincolnshire.co.uk to 127.0.0.1 in your hosts file which won't stop the scroller from loading but will at least give it no content to scroll.
What an interesting suggestion! Never thought of that before.
It works! As verified by putting it in, being able to access the website, closing browser, taking it out, restart browser and it segfaults again; close browser, put it back, restart browser and again able to access the website.
But you're right -- that has a whole galaxy of flashing junk which seriously interferes with reading.
Thanks! Ted.
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 09:47:41PM +0100, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 19:47 +0100, ted.harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
It renders without crashing on my copy of Firefox/2.0.0.3 but I did notice it pegged the CPU quite high (it was actually the xorg process that was having a fit so this may be a side effect of running Beryl) as soon as the Hot Jobs scroller loaded.
Oh yes, now I take a look I notice that it's about 85% cpu on xorg and 15% on firefox. I'm guessing you are also running ubuntu? but i've got no Beryl.
Adam
Wayne Stallwood ALUGlist@digimatic.co.uk wrote: [...]
It renders without crashing on my copy of Firefox/2.0.0.3 but I did notice it pegged the CPU quite high (it was actually the xorg process that was having a fit so this may be a side effect of running Beryl) as soon as the Hot Jobs scroller loaded. [...]
Just two comments about that:
Firstly, javascript is an immoral waste of processor and therefore electricity - go green and disable it, either totally or for most sites with the NoScript extension.
Secondly, the thisis..., ...today and ...24 sites all suck since their recent changes. Too much junk and too little news. I read newsnow and indymedia for most of my news, referring to reuters, ananova and bbc occasionally for the rest, but not sure how well they cover Anglia.
Regards,
On 25-Jun-07 21:56:59, MJ Ray wrote:
[..] Secondly, the thisis..., ...today and ...24 sites all suck since their recent changes. Too much junk and too little news. I read newsnow and indymedia for most of my news, referring to reuters, ananova and bbc occasionally for the rest, but not sure how well they cover Anglia.
EDP24 has always been OK for me -- fussy stuff on the sides, but they don't interfere and can be ignored.
Likewise Lynn News is fine (don;t know what stable it comes from, though).
BBC coverage of Anglia is reasonable, but their stories tend to be very summary and short on detail.
Ted.
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(Ted Harding) wrote:
[Apologies if you get this twice -- initially sent from wrong email address]
Hi Folks,
I know the weather has been dire, especially for Lincolnshire in our region. But I didn't expect it to overwhelm a browser!
When I try
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/
(the "Lincolnshire Echo" website) I get a segfault almost as soon as the page opens.
Does not seg fault here but does wack the CPU usage up to 99% most of which seems to be due to X according to top. Closing the browser stops it.
Cheers
ian
L337 GR33tz and all that.
I'm having a bit of a clear-out at the moment and have varying bits of hardware I'd just like to be rid of.
I haven't sorted everything out just yet so it's just a couple of things for now and I'll post more up as I find and identify them.
Free to good/bad/indifferent home:
Avance Logic ALS100 - ISA sound card. Did me fine some years ago but then I got a new motherboard with no ISA slot.
Aztech sound card - not sure exactly which one, the serial number on the big IC is AZT 2316. Pretty much the same deal as with the Avance Logic one.
Rockwell PCI modem. - Not sure of them model. It's for people with, like, phone lines and stuff.
Seagate IDE hard drive - No idea how big but it says 6253 cylinders, 16 heads, and 63 sectors if that helps :) Also no idea what's on it so could be a bonus (or a shock)
Any that don't go will just be dumped in a week or so.
More to follow at some point...
Cheers, Steve
On 6/25/07, Steve steve@iffirewouldfall.com wrote:
Seagate IDE hard drive - No idea how big but it says 6253 cylinders, 16 heads, and 63 sectors if that helps :) Also no idea what's on it so could be a bonus (or a shock)
6253 * 16 * 63 * 512bytes = 3,227,148,288 bytes. 3GB.
Plenty big enough for a firewall and a little proxy caching.
Tim.
Reposting my original email about free kit (with a couple of additions) as I haven't got around to dumping it yet. Anyone want any of these...
Free to good/bad/indifferent home:
Avance Logic ALS100 - ISA sound card. Did me fine some years ago but then I got a new motherboard with no ISA slot.
Aztech sound card - not sure exactly which one, the serial number on the big IC is AZT 2316. Pretty much the same deal as with the Avance Logic one.
Rockwell PCI modem. - Not sure of the model. It's for people with like, phone lines and stuff.
Seagate IDE hard drive - I'm reliably informed it's 3GB. Also, I have no idea what's on it so could be a bonus (or a shock).
15" CRT monitor. Can't remember the make off the top of my head but it works pretty well. Goes up to 1280x1024 quite happily.
There are a couple of motherboards with and without processors if anyone's interested. I don't have the details with me but if anyone's interested, mail me and I'll find out.
Cheers, Steve
Hi
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, ted.harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
When I try
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/
(the "Lincolnshire Echo" website) I get a segfault almost as soon as the page opens.
This is with both Firefox 1.04 (2005) on Red Hat 9, and also Mozilla 1.3 (2003) on a SuSE 7.2 installation (so it's not due to anything didgy on a particular machine).
Anyone else can confirm/comment on this observation?
Seems fine here on Firefox 1.5.0.11 and Slackware 10.2 But you used Red Hat 9? I'm sure I read somewhere that you can get broken into really quickly with RH9. It's that old.
Srdjan
On 6/25/07, Srdjan Todorovic todorovic.s@googlemail.com wrote:
But you used Red Hat 9? I'm sure I read somewhere that you can get broken into really quickly with RH9. It's that old.
Hopefully they're running their Internet connection through a hardware firewall, or at least NAT in the ADSL router. If only NTL/Virgin Media had put NAT that in their cable modems. *sigh*
Tim.
On 25-Jun-07 22:18:07, Tim Green wrote:
On 6/25/07, Srdjan Todorovic todorovic.s@googlemail.com wrote:
But you used Red Hat 9? I'm sure I read somewhere that you can get broken into really quickly with RH9. It's that old.
Hopefully they're running their Internet connection through a hardware firewall, or at least NAT in the ADSL router. If only NTL/Virgin Media had put NAT that in their cable modems. *sigh*
Tim.
FWIW (Srdjan was referring to me) my ADSL router (BT Voyuager 205) is NAT-enabled. I have also closed down most ports to outside access, with WAN access explicitly disabled for http, telnet, ftp, snmp and tftp.
Ted.
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