Hi all,
As part of the wanting to get a machine up and running with redhat 6.0 on it for Alug 10.0 I've come across a small problem... that being nowhere i can find on the Interwebbytubez seems to have a .iso of it.
Can anybody help at all? Looking in the back of the bits cupboard etc. would be much appreciated if someone can find a (working) copy!
I also find it a bit scary to see how much of this what I assume people think of as "boring legacy crap" is no longer available for download. I wonder if in the future it will be interesting for computing archaeology students?
Thanks Adam
Adam Bower wrote:
As part of the wanting to get a machine up and running with redhat 6.0 on it for Alug 10.0 I've come across a small problem... that being nowhere i can find on the Interwebbytubez seems to have a .iso of it.
ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/
You can even go back to RH1 if you like!
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 09:00:46AM +0100, Mark Rogers wrote:
Adam Bower wrote:
As part of the wanting to get a machine up and running with redhat 6.0 on it for Alug 10.0 I've come across a small problem... that being nowhere i can find on the Interwebbytubez seems to have a .iso of it.
ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/
You can even go back to RH1 if you like!
Right, next person who gives me that url can go and stand on the naughty step ;)
Clicky the links through and you'll find the cupboard is bare! The iso files are missing! Many of the releases there don't appears to be complete either. There is the option of doing a net install but i'd rather start with an iso if possible, especially as Syleham doen't have internet access.
Thanks Adam
Adam Bower wrote:
Right, next person who gives me that url can go and stand on the naughty step ;)
Ah, I wasn't involved in the conversations last night so didn't know you'd already been there.
I've tried my best to find an alternative URL but drawn a blank, although I may have a Linux book somewhere with an RH6 disk in the back cover, I'll try to check when I get home.
The correct way to go seems to be to create the CD manually: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO.html
(It's amazing how much time you can waste looking for something when you *know* it *must* be out there!)
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 10:14 +0100, Mark Rogers wrote:
The correct way to go seems to be to create the CD manually: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO.html
(It's amazing how much time you can waste looking for something when you *know* it *must* be out there!)
Thank you for that Mark, I have now managed to build what appears to be a working installation image. Just need to remember now how one configured X in the old days :)
We also have hardware now...a lovely K6-2 500 with an impressive 64MB of Ram, so once I have installed that and found compatible hardware for things like GFX and possibly network, the only thing we are missing is a screen.
I could of course grab a 17" TFT from here, but does anyone have a nice shabby 15" CRT (or 17" at a push) that they could bring to the meet for that true retro experience ?
I am unsure of the internet connectivity situation at Syleham but it would be kind of fun to get this beast on the interweb. I have a Wifi Bridge (or we could use someone's laptop as a GSM gateway) but I could do with a period PCI network card that is likely to be easy to get going on such an old kernel. Something like a Dec Tulip compat, or a 3c509 or something NE2000 based.
Of course it would also be nice to have several distros of the same vintage for comparison so if anyone fancies building a SuSE linux 6 or 6.1 box or a period Debian box, we could reignite some of the old flamewars (KDE vs Gnome at that time would be fun to see again)
Of course it would also be nice to have several distros of the same vintage for comparison so if anyone fancies building a SuSE linux 6 or 6.1 box or a period Debian box, we could reignite some of the old flamewars (KDE vs Gnome at that time would be fun to see again)
I'll have a look on the shelf this evening to see what I've still got.
Somewhere I've got a little old monochrome laptop with a Linux install on it... I think it needs something running PPP or PLIP to talk to !
PeterO
On 22/04/2009, Peter Onion ponion@alien.bt.co.uk wrote:
Somewhere I've got a little old monochrome laptop with a Linux install on it... I think it needs something running PPP or PLIP to talk to !
Ah, good old PLIP. I made my own cable, once.
Tim.
Does someone want to use the P2 and CRT monitor i offered for Syleham.
I'm only able to come for some of the time due to a new arrival in the family!
An absolutely stunning blonde.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/jessejazza/cherry-2.jpg
james
2009/4/22 Tim Green timothy.j.green@gmail.com:
On 22/04/2009, Peter Onion ponion@alien.bt.co.uk wrote:
Somewhere I've got a little old monochrome laptop with a Linux install on it... I think it needs something running PPP or PLIP to talk to !
Ah, good old PLIP. I made my own cable, once.
Tim.
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I need to know by Fri eve if the P2 and CRT monitor are still required otherwise i'll assume not. I'll only be able to come for some of the time as my blonde friend Cherry is quite demanding.
james
2009/4/29 James Freer jessejazza@googlemail.com:
Does someone want to use the P2 and CRT monitor i offered for Syleham.
I'm only able to come for some of the time due to a new arrival in the family!
An absolutely stunning blonde.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/jessejazza/cherry-2.jpg
james
2009/4/22 Tim Green timothy.j.green@gmail.com:
On 22/04/2009, Peter Onion ponion@alien.bt.co.uk wrote:
Somewhere I've got a little old monochrome laptop with a Linux install on it... I think it needs something running PPP or PLIP to talk to !
Ah, good old PLIP. I made my own cable, once.
Tim.
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On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 20:37 +0100, James Freer wrote:
I need to know by Fri eve if the P2 and CRT monitor are still required otherwise i'll assume not. I'll only be able to come for some of the time as my blonde friend Cherry is quite demanding.
Hi James,
I think in respect to the vintage computer we are all set now with a rather amazing AMD K6....unless someone else wants to try another vintage distro..in which case they should speak up now.
The monitor might be nice to hook up as I can only source a TFT screen. That said I don't want to trouble you to much to bring it (and then presumably have to take it away again) if you are only going to be there for a short while.
If there is room in your boot and you don't mind bringing it then it would be nice to complete the retro setup. Better still if it is one you don't want back then you can leave it there when you go and one of us will dispose of it for you.
Many Thanks Wayne
james
2009/4/29 James Freer jessejazza@googlemail.com:
Does someone want to use the P2 and CRT monitor i offered for Syleham.
I'm only able to come for some of the time due to a new arrival in the family!
An absolutely stunning blonde.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/jessejazza/cherry-2.jpg
james
2009/4/22 Tim Green timothy.j.green@gmail.com:
On 22/04/2009, Peter Onion ponion@alien.bt.co.uk wrote:
Somewhere I've got a little old monochrome laptop with a Linux install on it... I think it needs something running PPP or PLIP to talk to !
Ah, good old PLIP. I made my own cable, once.
Tim.
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I could of course grab a 17" TFT from here, but does anyone have a nice shabby 15" CRT (or 17" at a push) that they could bring to the meet for that true retro experience ?
I've got a 17" and a 20" CRT - you could have either or both!
james
I have a disk from Linux Answers magazine with Redhat 6.0 on. If you cant find one, email me you address and I'll put a copy in the post.
If anyone starts up an archive, I've also got Mandrake 7.0 :)
Tony
----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Bower" adam@thebowery.co.uk To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [ALUG] Redhat 6.0 discs
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 09:00:46AM +0100, Mark Rogers wrote:
Adam Bower wrote:
As part of the wanting to get a machine up and running with redhat 6.0 on it for Alug 10.0 I've come across a small problem... that being nowhere i can find on the Interwebbytubez seems to have a .iso of it.
ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/
You can even go back to RH1 if you like!
Right, next person who gives me that url can go and stand on the naughty step ;)
Clicky the links through and you'll find the cupboard is bare! The iso files are missing! Many of the releases there don't appears to be complete either. There is the option of doing a net install but i'd rather start with an iso if possible, especially as Syleham doen't have internet access.
Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li
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On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 09:00 +0100, Mark Rogers wrote:
ftp://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/
You can even go back to RH1 if you like!
A few people were suggesting this last night, unfortunately if you look in the iso folder for anything older than 6.2 you will find it empty.
The same is true for all mirrors I could find, it appears that ISO images for any redhat version prior to 6.2 have been carefully scrubbed from the internet.
The only way we could use this archive is to make the netboot floppy.
2009/4/21 Wayne Stallwood ALUGlist@digimatic.co.uk:
The same is true for all mirrors I could find, it appears that ISO images for any redhat version prior to 6.2 have been carefully scrubbed from the internet.
Do you think they had to scrub it because earlier versions infringe on some patent or copyright? :O </conspiracy theory>
Srdjan
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 09:21 +0100, Srdjan Todorovic wrote:
Do you think they had to scrub it because earlier versions infringe on some patent or copyright? :O </conspiracy theory>
I am going for the theory that the ISO's mostly replicate what is in the package archive anyway and that somebody wanted the space..the mirrors have then synchronised the deletion. If you trust the parent folder modified stamps this all appeared to happen some time ago.
It's not uncommon for this stuff to vanish once it is no longer supported. At least the package archive is still there..Ubuntu ISTR have shut down the repositories for some older versions and just try and get Windows 2000 SP4 as a full package (not the online installer) from Microsoft's site.
It does however raise Adam's point that in terms of computer history, these old distros might just vanish into obscurity. If we can't get an ISO for what was at the time the most popular distro then it doesn't bode well for the others.
Linux distro preservation archive anyone ?
I have several old Linux installation media "in stock" (to coin a phrase ... ), including some old Red Hats. I will try (I hope) to dig them out (including at least one very old laptop), provided I can solve the infinite recursion problem -- viz:
Where these things happen to be, to get to them I shall have to move something out of the way.
In order to move something out of the way, I will have to move something else out of the way, to make room for the previous thing.
This is recursive.
Stand by ... Ted.
On 21-Apr-09 09:03:15, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 09:21 +0100, Srdjan Todorovic wrote:
Do you think they had to scrub it because earlier versions infringe on some patent or copyright? :O </conspiracy theory>
I am going for the theory that the ISO's mostly replicate what is in the package archive anyway and that somebody wanted the space..the mirrors have then synchronised the deletion. If you trust the parent folder modified stamps this all appeared to happen some time ago.
It's not uncommon for this stuff to vanish once it is no longer supported. At least the package archive is still there..Ubuntu ISTR have shut down the repositories for some older versions and just try and get Windows 2000 SP4 as a full package (not the online installer) from Microsoft's site.
It does however raise Adam's point that in terms of computer history, these old distros might just vanish into obscurity. If we can't get an ISO for what was at the time the most popular distro then it doesn't bode well for the others.
Linux distro preservation archive anyone ?
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:34:40 +0100 (BST) (Ted Harding) Ted.Harding@manchester.ac.uk allegedly wrote:
I have several old Linux installation media "in stock" (to coin a phrase ... ), including some old Red Hats. I will try (I hope) to dig them out (including at least one very old laptop), provided I can solve the infinite recursion problem -- viz:
Like Ted I appear to have a recursion problem. That plus a crap memory. I know I have a load of old distros around, but the only firm copies of Redhat I can lay my hands on are 5.2, 8.0 and 9.0. I have also found some "Linux rough cuts" (for SPARC, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, MIPS, M68K) from Redhat dating from the late 90s, plus a bunch of openbsd, netbsd and freebsd disks of various vintages - oh and solaris 2.6 (and perhaps 2.3 somewhere, mutters into beard....).
I know I had a clear out a while back, but I'm a bit of a hoarder and I cannot believe I would have thrown out all my old distros. I'll carry on delving. Whatever I come up with, I'll try to make it to the 10th bash. It would be good to put some faces to names.
Mick
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