Hi Guys,
I wondered if u would mind helping me out. Basically have a Smoothwall firewall, which works great but I have to reduce the number of PC's I have, being kicked out of my office for my new son. Been looking at routers in the price range of £100 > £150 but they don't seem to provide the flexibility of Smoothwall, for example the Solwise SAR 715 does not really provide true DMZ functionality. A router with a firewall, ids, port forwarding, dmz and nat functionality would be great, thus wondered what u guys use with your ADSL??
By the way, ditched BTO today after three days of no service, again. Migrating to Nildram :)
Take care and thank you,
Jami
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:45:40PM -0000, Jamie French wrote:
forwarding, dmz and nat functionality would be great, thus wondered what u guys use with your ADSL??
http://www.mini-itx.com/store/
via epia 5000 with eden 533Mhz cpu, no fan at all so nice and quiet too (computer in bedroom) just added a nice Chyang fun minicube so cost me about 150 quid and also a hard disk and some ram which i already had lying around. All of the hardware is supported and works well in Linux, have a Alcatel speedtouch USB attached to this box for my dsl and use the internal ethernet for lan. Only thing i wish for is to make the PSU a little bit quieter (36dba fan, can replace it with an 18dba but would invalidate warranty) and find some way of perhaps running the filesystem out of Ram perhaps (or get an ide > compact flash convertor for the / filesystem)
Adam
I like alot, it appears to be a more flexible solution, though can it really offer DMZ capability with one NIC? How have you setup a router/firewall and which distro?
After reading ADSLGuide's review on the Solwise SAR 715 router I was very disappointed to read the forums, hence me looking into other cheap solutions.
Thanks for taking the time to help.
Take care,
J
-----Original Message----- From: main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Adam Bower Sent: 06 November 2002 22:10 To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] ADSL
On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:45:40PM -0000, Jamie French wrote:
forwarding, dmz and nat functionality would be great, thus wondered what u guys use with your ADSL??
http://www.mini-itx.com/store/
via epia 5000 with eden 533Mhz cpu, no fan at all so nice and quiet too (computer in bedroom) just added a nice Chyang fun minicube so cost me about 150 quid and also a hard disk and some ram which i already had lying around. All of the hardware is supported and works well in Linux, have a Alcatel speedtouch USB attached to this box for my dsl and use the internal ethernet for lan. Only thing i wish for is to make the PSU a little bit quieter (36dba fan, can replace it with an 18dba but would invalidate warranty) and find some way of perhaps running the filesystem out of Ram perhaps (or get an ide > compact flash convertor for the / filesystem)
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I'm running the Alcatel Frog modem on my SuSE workstation, I use Chains to do the firewalling and also got it set up with IP Forwarding for my Wireless LAN so that my Zaurus and Laptop can use the connection.
My workstation (which is in my study) is never turned off so this setup works well for me.
I *Did* have a problem with dropped connections, but that's all been cleared up now
Another cheap option for a GW machine would be the micro ATX mainboards, some of these come (very cheaply) with a pre installed VIA 800Mhz processor that requires no fan, Intergrated Ethernet etc, one of these could be had for the same sort of money as a halfway decent ADSL Router. The processor is no speed demon, but easily fast enough to be a FW,GW and simple mail server
http://www.viavpsd.com/product/epia_mini_itx_spec.jsp?motherboardId=21
Flash cards are a possibility as a very quiet and efficient Hard Drive, but be warned that they do fail if the same area is written to often so are pretty useless as swap space or for logging.
Shameless plug, I have a nearly new internal PCI card ADSL modem going cheap if anyone wants it. I am not using it myself as a> I have no spare PCI slots in my machine now and b> the Linux drivers are Binary only kernel drivers so you have to use a very specific kernel and can't upgrade until they release new drivers, which is annoying. £30 if anyone here needs it..
Wayne
Guys,
Linux is a very good approach dont get me wrong, but Netgear do a very good DSL Modem with firewalling and built in switch it costs just over £100. You have port forwarding (could adapt rules for any servers u had on the DMZ). NAT Firewalling, content filtering etc.
Insight sell it.
Just a thought! ;o)
Kind Regards,
Michael Sage
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Michael Sage wrote:
Guys,
Linux is a very good approach dont get me wrong, but Netgear do a very good DSL Modem with firewalling and built in switch it costs just over £100. You have port forwarding (could adapt rules for any servers u had on the DMZ). NAT Firewalling, content filtering etc.
A couple of guys have these at work, it seems to have a bit of trouble with some VPNs apparently. I don't know what the issues are though myself but sometimes the portforwarding doesn't work exactly as it should or something.
Adam
Jamie French wrote:
I like alot, it appears to be a more flexible solution, though can it really offer DMZ capability with one NIC? How have you setup a router/firewall and which distro?
It has 1 free PCI slot and you can get a riser card to give you 2 slots iirc. so you can always add another network card. Anyhow I wrote my iptables by hand and run Debian on it. Its not a true firewall I guess as it does a few other things too but then I don't really want to have a zillion computers for just a small home network.
Adam
Jamie French jamie.french@talk21.com wrote:
[...] A router with a firewall, ids, port forwarding, dmz and nat functionality would be great, thus wondered what u guys use with your ADSL??
Running a K6/2 500 underclocked to 300 with no CPU fan in a small ATX case with a whisper-quiet PSU fan (check www.quietpc.com for them). I do have a mobile k6 233 to hand, but the 500 seems fine (for now!).
MJR
Cheers MJR,
I think I will stick with the Linux box route, rather than a all singing and dancing router which restricts in many respects. I thought I would go for a router at the start as there must be overhead with USB modems via USB, Drivers and OS constraints. I think I will purchase a USB modem though as I don't want to occupy a PCI slot for an internal. Would love to purchase some mini-atx components, and love some of those diddy cases out there, though at present I have no money, spending a fortune on babies nappies :(
Guys, please feel free to add or comment further, you thoughts are most inspiring and helpful.
J
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Jamie French jamie.french@talk21.com wrote:
[...] A router with a firewall, ids, port forwarding, dmz and nat functionality would be great, thus wondered what u guys use with your ADSL??
Running a K6/2 500 underclocked to 300 with no CPU fan in a small ATX case with a whisper-quiet PSU fan (check www.quietpc.com for them). I do have a mobile k6 233 to hand, but the 500 seems fine (for now!).
MJR
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Guys, please feel free to add or comment further, you thoughts are most inspiring and helpful.
Have a look at Freesco http://www.freesco.org - nat, firewall, router plus some other things - runs from a floppy on a 386 upwards with 16megs ram (or less with a h/d for swap). May or may not do what you require but is definitely a v. cheap alternative. No USB support though.
HTH Syd
Hi,
I use an Alcatel speedtouch pro as my ADSL modem, which is connectd to my Linux PC with two NIC's. Works a treat, and I didn't have the hassle of making a USB device work. The only tricky part was I had to todge pptp to pass slightly different parameters to pppd, but even given my limited knowledge of C, it seems to work.
HTH
Chris
on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:45:40PM -0000, Jamie French wrote:
I wondered if u would mind helping me out. Basically have a Smoothwall firewall, which works great but I have to reduce the number of PC's I have, being kicked out of my office for my new son. Been looking at routers in the price range of ?100 > ?150 but they don't seem to provide the flexibility of Smoothwall, for example the Solwise SAR 715 does not really provide true DMZ functionality.
http://www.soekris.com/ has some cheap and very cool hardware that may be of use for this. they will run netbsd, freebsd, openbsd and linux. probably don't even need a cf card if you net boot it using the pxe boot code in the bios. i think they also have between 2 and 3 ethernet ports. 3 should be enough for an internet, dmz, internal interface tuple.
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