I'd like to come along assuming that I'm not currently in Germany discussing security and sampling lots of German beer. No gurantees, but I will definately try to make it. May need a lift from UEA/Central Norwich if anybody would be willing :) Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake | WEB http://www.ision.net.uk Systems Administrator | PHONE +44 (0)20 8293 7000 Ision Internet plc | FAX +44 (0)20 8293 6000 -----Original Message----- From: gareth@stu.uea.ac.uk [mailto:gareth@stu.uea.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Gareth Watts Sent: 03 April 2000 03:43 To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [alug] Alug 6 Hi Adam Well, apologies for not being more vocal, but the 16th is definitely good for myself as long as John Pulfer is still up for giving me a lift ;-) So thet's two more; still not a high count but I'm sure more will attend. Perhaps those who intend to go could reply to this message with a 'me too' in the body, just to tally things up? Gareth Adam Bower wrote:

Hi all,

I'm going to cancel the venue for Alug now due to a lack of enthusiasm.

If I'm wrong then let me know asap, It's just only two people have

muttered

anything to the effect that they are coming, Let me know though if its just everyone going on holiday/home in their uni easter break. I'm sorry if I sound pessimistic but it looks as though the current part of the mail archive is broken and everything looks grim.

Adam

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On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 09:26:25AM +0100, Andrew Savory wrote:

We've got two weeks yet - it's usually only in the last few days that any of us realise it's booked into our diaries and start to sort out lifts, etc! (On that note - I'll be travelling from Norwich, so I can give probably one or two people a lift - Martyn? Bill?)

I shall be attending, probably attacking it from a King's Lynn via Fakenham or via Dereham direction if anyone wants a lift in from mid/north Norfolk. Failing that, I'll add to the Norwich capacity.

...

I'm sorry if I sound pessimistic but it looks as though the current part of the mail archive is broken and everything looks grim. Mark - mailing list is b0rked! Can you please fix?

The list _seems_ fine, apart from a couple of messages I seem to have missed. I'll extract the missing ones from the backups. The web archive is now only being updated about weekly. Reasons for this are really silly, but it needs manual intervention to save messages to the right place for them to be picked up. -- | MJR "Everything is planned, from -- crime to leisure time." [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

Where and when? Is it the one in Aylsham? If yes then I should be able to make it. Justin [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

Hi all I've got a RH6.1 box working to masquerade (using ipchains) my dialup connection to my network... everything seems to work fine on both it and the Windoze boxes connected. The server has no keyboard/monitor and is usually up 24h. I usually use a download manager - GetRight or GoZilla - on my Windoze box to download files. Its nice because if my connection goes down or the server goes down it will automatically retry and resume any files. It intercepts clicks from Netscape/IE and adds the URL to its list. What I'd like to do is have a download manager on the linux box so that I can take down the 'client' machines and have the linux box continue to download files into the night... What software is around that will do this for me? How could I make it easiest to get a URL from Netscape on a Windoze box to the download manager on the linux box? Is there some kind of FTP/HTTP proxy server that will act as a download manager for certain types of files (e.g. zip/gz/tar/mp3 etc) but pass through files that don't match that filter (so I can browse the web/FTP sites quickly)? Suggestions most appreciated Cheers Neil [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 11:15:17PM +0100, Neil Sedger wrote:

Is there some kind of FTP/HTTP proxy server that will act as a download manager for certain types of files (e.g. zip/gz/tar/mp3 etc) but pass through files that don't match that filter (so I can browse the web/FTP sites quickly)?

You could possibly use wwwoffle for this, but I don't know if it bends into quite the shape you're wanting. The intr-download-* options should do most of it (ie start the download, then cancel and let the cache continue it). http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ -- | MJR "Everything is planned, from -- crime to leisure time." [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

PS. While I think about it, yes, I shall almost certainly come to ALUG{28,6} in Aylsham, since I now have a daughter (born Monday evening, 11.12pm), and therefore don't need to necessarily worry about having to be here every minute of every day, so I may try and put this plan into action that day :)

Hmm... I seem to be the first. Congratulations! Paul [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Aquarius wrote:

I'd like to build a Linux install on a machine I have, an old IBM PS/2-70, which has 8MB of memory, 160MB of HD space, and is a 386.

I had linux running on a 16mb 386 with a 400mb disk - slow and painful, yes, but it worked. I didn't bother with X though.

Am I vastly over-reaching the capabilities of the machine?

Probably ;-)

o X in 8MB, ouch. Is this vastly unlikely?

Swap city, I suspect. On a slow machine with a slow disk, there will be much pain.

o Shortage of HD space in general -- will I get all that lot into 160MB less swap?

Probably, but it will be REALLY tight. You should count on having just nothing else on that machine...

o It only has a floppy drive

Any spare ISA slots you could lob a network card in? You could then install across the network. Option 2 would be to borrow a CDROM temporarily, assuming you have a spare IDE channel you can plug it into.

since I now have a daughter (born Monday evening, 11.12pm)

Congrats! What's she called? (What's the female equivalent of "Linus"? :-)

so I may try and put this plan into action that day :)

Probably a good idea... Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Savory at uea.ac.uk All views are my own - who else would want them? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Justin Jonas wrote:

...

since I now have a daughter (born Monday evening, 11.12pm)

Congrats! What's she called? (What's the female equivalent of "Linus"? :-)

Linetta perhaps? :)

Leenus surely ;) Back onto topic, I know a brazillian who was going to install Linux on a 386 a day or two ago. He hasn't reported back. Certainly don't even consider installing gcc and the c libs. Maybe not even perl. Perhaps you could download one of the Linux-on-a-floppy distribution, install to hard disk and add stuff as needed until it fills? One can't help thinking Linux is destined for these old boxes... James. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

That's not a bad idea, I hadn't thought of that. I have no intention of installing gcc, since there won't be any compliation on the box. I *think* that the Debian packaging system needs perl, though, but I wouldn't swear to that.

It does indeed.

The idea of the floppy distributions is rather a good one -- how difficult would it be to put X on top of one of those? I intended to use Debian because I understand the packaging system, and it handles dependencies well, which makes it a lot less stressful to ensure that I have all the things I need on the box. There's a "pick and choose at individual package level" version of the install, so I'm tempted to do that, I think.

That could work - just install the base system, and *nothing* else. Then install things as and when you need them. I can't remember how big X is, I must admit. I've actually got a copy of Mu-Linux floating around on floppies somewhere, so assuming I can find the bugger, I'll bring that along (and believe it or not, it has X on it already, albeit a very old version!) Paul [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 09:44:07PM +0100, xsprite@bigfoot.com wrote:

Trinux, afaik, has support for X: <http://www.trinux.org>

Sadly, though, the website claims that "Trinux is based on a stripped-down version of Linux that should boot on any 386 or better with at least 12-16 megabytes of RAM.", which my poor sad old machine hasn't got. We're currently having a look at Debianizing tinyX :-) Aq. -- "And how do you measure madness? Not with rods and wheels and clocks, surely?" -- The Joker, Arkham Asylum [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 09:47:11AM +0100, Andrew Savory wrote:

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Aquarius wrote:

...

o It only has a floppy drive

Any spare ISA slots you could lob a network card in? You could then install across the network. Option 2 would be to borrow a CDROM temporarily, assuming you have a spare IDE channel you can plug it into.

Ho ho ho ho no. The earlier PS/2s weren't IDE, they were ESDI. You can put a SCSI card into them, but there's no way I'm buying all SCSI stuff: if I had that much money then I'd just buy a 486 with it ;) That's why my plan was to do a network install using PPP or SLIP, since then all I need is a null modem cable. I could probably even do PLIP, but I'd need to buy a Laplink cable and they're expensive, I believe. I don't suppose anyone who's coming to ALUG28 has a null modem or Laplink cable?

...

since I now have a daughter (born Monday evening, 11.12pm)

Congrats! What's she called? (What's the female equivalent of "Linus"? :-)

She's called Niamh; I did float the idea of naming her after Grace Hopper but it was Vetoed :) Aq. -- Tact is just not saying true stuff -- Cordelia, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

Laurie Brown wrote:

Aquarius wrote:

[SNIP]

...

She's called Niamh; I did float the idea of naming her after Grace Hopper but it was Vetoed :)

A fine old name, and I'll bet I'm the only other person in here who knows how to pronounce it!

Hi, apart from anyone of irish descent, who has been to Ireland, who watches Ballykissangel - or who has lived in London :) regards, Dermot [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:02:39PM +0000, Dermot Musgrove wrote:

Have you looked at the minimal distributions that are available? AFAICR there are several that will run from a floppy (no X) and two were called mu-Linux (greek letter) and Linux-lite and there was a small version of X at http://sunsite.anu.edu.au/archives/linux/distributions/tinyX (ages ago).

My worry with little distributions (the Linux-on-one-floppy sort of thing) is that I may have to put in a fairly large amount of work to get them into a state where I can run X and some apps on them on a permanent basis. Having said this, tinyX now ilves at http://smalllinux.netpedia.net/tinyX01.html, I believe, and I'm working with it... Aq. -- "The grand plan that is Aquarius proceeds apace" -- Ronin, Frank Miller [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Dave Cook wrote:

When and where is this next meeting please and is it open to all or only a limited number of people. I'm new to Linux, but would like to attend and learn.

See the other messages to the list and the website (www.anglian.lug.org.uk) which will be updated with details tomorrow. It's open to all, the more the merrier! Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Savory at uea.ac.uk All views are my own - who else would want them? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver@stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

I'll be there if anybody needs a lift from Diss onwards contact me off list. I need a hand getting SUSE 6.3 on a machine so perhaps an installathon!!! is called for. Cheers all, BJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Green J M K <jmkgre@essex.ac.uk> To: <alug@stu.uea.ac.uk> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: [alug] Alug 6

I shall be there, assuming I can get transport from Norwich.

Andrew/others?

James.

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