Nor was I, it has taken many years to build up the little knowledge that I have. I my self have asked lots of stupid questions and also admitted to being wrong (publically on list). I have been where you sit now but with people just saying RTFM, and as such have sat and read "Computer Networks" and also "TCP/IP Network Admin", I was about to make a comment about this book then realised that I have your copy on my desk at home.
Just a quick further on one this as I'm sure the list are rolling their eyes - sorry, got home last night and thought what a pillock i must have sounded spouting all that out. Glad you took it in the slightly humorous vein it was intended in, David. I hope it didn't sound as though i take it for granted i have some kind of right to your knowledge - I am actually humbled by your patience and extremely grateful. Perhaps the idea of the newbie mailing list isn't such a bad idea, although one wonders when a question stops being a newbie one and becomes a non-newbie one.......? Can't wait to get my hands on the TCP/IP book.
I didn't realize you were 37 btw.
Age is relative (until your body falls apart I guess), however I have heard that you learn something like 75% of everything you are ever going to learn by the age of 5. If you haven't learnt language by then you can never form the correct patterns, as well.
Also as for cookery, have you noticed its very similair to computing,
I compared learning linux to baking a cake for the first time with no recipe book and no idea what any of the little ingredient packets are the other day.
PS you don't fancy getting IP firewalling working on my box on sunday, I'm
stuck. The very thought of being let loose on any one else's computer makes me shudder with terror.
I will be bringing a converter in the form of a hub with BNC on the back.
Thanks. I may have talked two people on various forums into attending. They have a long way to come though.
Just looking at pine - downloading the files on my linux box now,
proudly.
Oh, I'd've suggested Postilion, as I've been using that to good effect
recently. I gave up on pine (can explain Sun if u like) and installed mutt instead. Many thanks all. Take me quietly to one side on sunday and have a word in my ear about list protocol if I'm out of order on the gossip front. Jen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com wrote:
Perhaps the idea of the newbie mailing list isn't such a bad idea, although one wonders when a question stops being a newbie one and becomes a non-newbie one.......?
My definition would be you are non-newbie when you answer more questions than you ask ;-) (and yes I do ask questions (of course from an AOL account so you don't know how dumb they are ;-))
I think a newbie or config questions (or something like that) list would be a great idea, it would be great to have somewhere that newbies could post any question without risk of being flamed. If the signal to noise ratio is to high for you (as in you are a hardcore hacker) then don't join.
I for one would be quite happy to read the list and reply, although there is an argument (I guess) for saying this is already available in other places (linuxnewbie etc.)
I think it would be better though as it would be more personal to list members who can put names to faces (and I think it could be a good source of chocolate biscuits at meetings... ;-)) and form some good bonds for a Linux user group.
Comments? or discuss on Sunday? Adam
Adam Bower wrote:
I for one would be quite happy to read the list and reply, although there is an argument (I guess) for saying this is already available in other places (linuxnewbie etc.)
I don't think there is too much trafic on the main list to warrant a newbie list quite yet. If we start getting a significant amount of newbie question messages then a sep[erate list would be a good idea. My reservations are that possibly the more experenced members might not have the time to read another list, however they might be more inclined to answer newbie problems if they are reading the main list anyway. I know most ALUG members would probably subscribe to both lists but if there is an increase in trafic there is always the announce list.
Comments? or discuss on Sunday?
Just my 2p worth as I won't be able to make it on Sunday.
Cheers, BJ
--- Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com wrote:
Nor was I, it has taken many years to build up the little knowledge that I have. I my self have asked lots of stupid questions and also admitted to being wrong (publically on list). I have been where you
sit
now but with people just saying RTFM, and as such have sat and read "Computer Networks" and also "TCP/IP Network Admin", I was about to make a comment about this book then realised that I have your copy
on
my desk at home.
Just a quick further on one this as I'm sure the list are rolling their eyes - sorry, got home last night and thought what a pillock i must have sounded spouting all that out. Glad you took it in the slightly humorous vein it was intended in, David.
Its not a problem you were probably right. I did IT support for a 18 months so I am used to people having rants at me :o)
I hope it didn't sound as though i take it for granted i have some kind of right to your knowledge - I am actually humbled by your patience and extremely grateful. Perhaps the idea of the newbie mailing list isn't such a bad idea, although one wonders when a question stops being a newbie one and becomes a non-newbie one.......?
Like Adam said, you stop becoming a newbie when you answer more than ask.
Can't wait to get my hands on the TCP/IP book.
Its a very good book.
I didn't realize you were 37 btw.
Age is relative (until your body falls apart I guess), however I have heard that you learn something like 75% of everything you are ever going to learn by the age of 5. If you haven't learnt language by then you can never form the correct patterns, as well.
Also over 50% of what you will need to do your job in 20 years time has not been invented yet!
Also as for cookery, have you noticed its very similair to
computing, I compared learning linux to baking a cake for the first time with no recipe book and no idea what any of the little ingredient packets are the other day.
good analogie
PS you don't fancy getting IP firewalling working on my box on
sunday, I'm stuck. The very thought of being let loose on any one else's computer makes me shudder with terror.
Its not that bad ... its worse!
I will be bringing a converter in the form of a hub with BNC on the
back. Thanks. I may have talked two people on various forums into attending. They have a long way to come though.
Excellent more victims :o)
Just looking at pine - downloading the files on my linux box now,
proudly.
Oh, I'd've suggested Postilion, as I've been using that to good
effect recently. I gave up on pine (can explain Sun if u like) and installed mutt instead. Many thanks all. Take me quietly to one side on sunday and have a word in my ear about list protocol if I'm out of order on the gossip front.
Cu sunday.
Thanks
D
Jen
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