Hi
Has anyone tried the new 'Julia' version of Linux Mint. Its version 10.
I used Linux Mint 9 LXDE a few months ago and it was amazing. Stable, gorgeous and very fast even on a P3 500mhz.
Im thinking of putting 10 on my ThinkPad when it arrives.
Simon
Hi
I had LinuxMint 10 installed on my laptop for around 10 days and went back to Ubuntu 10.04.
I found Mint too slow and I could never find the software i wanted in the downloader.
Mac
Royal wrote:
Hi
Has anyone tried the new 'Julia' version of Linux Mint. Its version 10.
I used Linux Mint 9 LXDE a few months ago and it was amazing. Stable, gorgeous and very fast even on a P3 500mhz.
Im thinking of putting 10 on my ThinkPad when it arrives.
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I did some distro "assessment" a few weeks ago and i've switched to Mint 9 xfce (not quite answering your question).
I wasn't very keen on purple and the other changes and i wanted the less sophisticated desktop. I didn't mind brown - i just got used to it. I preferred Mint's green to xubuntu's midnight blue [too dark].
Mint's xfce Ver 10 is due out shortly. I'm surprised that Alistair found the Mint main 10 slow... but with recent development they are running a bit slower.
The main reason for using Mint is that they do a final check on *buntu and release when it's ready - not 'as is' on a particular date.
james
On 19 December 2010 21:16, Alistair Macgregor alistairnacf@aol.com wrote:
Hi
I had LinuxMint 10 installed on my laptop for around 10 days and went back to Ubuntu 10.04.
I found Mint too slow and I could never find the software i wanted in the downloader.
Mac
Royal wrote:
Hi
Has anyone tried the new 'Julia' version of Linux Mint. Its version 10.
I used Linux Mint 9 LXDE a few months ago and it was amazing. Stable, gorgeous and very fast even on a P3 500mhz.
Im thinking of putting 10 on my ThinkPad when it arrives.
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I agree with your observations about Mint 10 being a slightly better refined version of Ubuntu. I installed Mint 10 on an old Dell Optiplex a few weeks ago over a regular Ubuntu install. It was my first go at Mint as I felt I would need to do less tweaking to get what I wanted than if I'd installed Maverick.
I was less interested in the appearance of Mint 10 (as I like to change appearance from time to time anyway) and more concerned with functionality. There were more out of the box things I wanted available and so it took far less time to commission the machine.
In install terms, it was quick and painless, but it was a fresh install on to an empty hard disk on an old machine. The only thing it failed to detect on the Optiplex was the full range of resolutions on the graphics adapter which needed to be entered manually. That may freak out a beginner but most of us who've used Linux for a while wouldn't find that too difficult a task.
Speed-wise, I haven't compared it on that computer with other distros but I've no complaints and it performs much as I'd expect on a machine of this class.
In all, Mint 10 seems to be Ubuntu Maverick with what was for me a few convenient changes that suit my use. I don't see any issues above and beyond that that wouldn't be common to Ubuntu Maverick.
Mark
On 19/12/10 21:51, James Freer wrote:
I did some distro "assessment" a few weeks ago and i've switched to Mint 9 xfce (not quite answering your question).
I wasn't very keen on purple and the other changes and i wanted the less sophisticated desktop. I didn't mind brown - i just got used to it. I preferred Mint's green to xubuntu's midnight blue [too dark].
Mint's xfce Ver 10 is due out shortly. I'm surprised that Alistair found the Mint main 10 slow... but with recent development they are running a bit slower.
The main reason for using Mint is that they do a final check on *buntu and release when it's ready - not 'as is' on a particular date.
james
On 19 December 2010 21:16, Alistair Macgregoralistairnacf@aol.com wrote:
Hi
I had LinuxMint 10 installed on my laptop for around 10 days and went back to Ubuntu 10.04.
I found Mint too slow and I could never find the software i wanted in the downloader.
Mac
Royal wrote:
Hi
Has anyone tried the new 'Julia' version of Linux Mint. Its version 10.
I used Linux Mint 9 LXDE a few months ago and it was amazing. Stable, gorgeous and very fast even on a P3 500mhz.
Im thinking of putting 10 on my ThinkPad when it arrives.
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Mark
on the Optiplex was the full range of resolutions on the graphics adapter which needed to be entered manually. That may freak out a beginner but most of us who've used Linux for a while wouldn't find that too difficult a task.
That's the issue that i have with ubuntu when they removed the 8.04's Screens & Graphics and weren't able to replace it with the package that Fedora and other distros had working. It didn't work for about three releases.
I've just had a surprise having tried to load Mepis on a reasonable fast machine with an nvidia card - and it's worked fine on an old P3. All i'd say about ubuntu and mint is that they sit on a lot of hard work by debian [which is what i may switch to shortly].
james
On 20/12/10 20:29, James Freer wrote:
I've just had a surprise having tried to load Mepis on a reasonable fast machine with an nvidia card - and it's worked fine on an old P3. All i'd say about ubuntu and mint is that they sit on a lot of hard work by debian [which is what i may switch to shortly].
They do indeed sit on the shoulders of giants, although I have to say that whenever I've tried Debian (and to be fair that's not been recently, and never as a desktop) I've ended up going to something more user friendly.
However, since the subject is Mint, have you considered the new Linux Mint Debian[1]? It's basically Mint on top of Debian instead of Ubuntu. The only issue you may have is that it's Gnome and 32-bit only (depending on how popular it is that will change, but rightly they're trying to do just one thing at a time). It's a rolling distro so it basically follows Debian Testing and doesn't have releases as such, as long as you install updates you'll always be on the latest code (for better or worse). On the face of it, that just sounds like Ubuntu but less stable :-)
[1] http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1527
Mark
They do indeed sit on the shoulders of giants,
Trouble with Debian is that it is so slow on releases apparently due to friction between developers. As you point out Debian isn't as user friendly as Mint or Ubuntu.
However, since the subject is Mint, have you considered the new Linux Mint Debian[1]? It's basically Mint on top of Debian instead of Ubuntu. The only
........> thing at a time). It's a rolling distro so it basically follows Debian
Testing and doesn't have releases as such, as long as you install updates you'll always be on the latest code (for better or worse). On the face of it, that just sounds like Ubuntu but less stable
I've read about it but as you say "less stable". Questions have been asked if Mint are moving away from the 6 month release... and apparently they are not and intend to keep going along the current route. I think they may be a couple of years away from that change - Mepis went down that route. Ubuntu is still in the red i believe which makes the future unpredictable. Since the first time i used Ubuntu it did seem they took on a heavy workload with their 6 month cycle when an annual release was a more realistic target.
I'm beginning to wonder if rpm through APT isn't a better system. Yum and yast are quite slow but APT and Smart are a faster option.
Mandriva seems to be going through a rocky patch from what i've read. PCLOS is certainly the best rpm distro i've tried. They also produce mini versions of each desktop and you add what you want which i like. Again a one man like Mint but producing a better product. But then again they are producing LXDE and other desktop versions as well as the main three and i think taken on too much.
My New Year Resolution is to achieve the linux 'must do' - a slackware or gentoo build but coping with my mother with Alzheimer's doesn't make finding time easy.
james
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:50:46AM +0000, James Freer wrote:
They do indeed sit on the shoulders of giants,
Trouble with Debian is that it is so slow on releases apparently due to friction between developers.
As a Debian developer I think that's unfair. Debian releases when it's ready. Unfortunately with ~ 1000 developers there is a mixed idea of what ready means. Also I've heard both the argument (from users) that Debian needs to release more often, and that it releases too often. It's kinda hard to keep both groups happy.
J.
Jonathan
On 21 December 2010 17:39, Jonathan McDowell noodles@earth.li wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:50:46AM +0000, James Freer wrote:
They do indeed sit on the shoulders of giants,
Trouble with Debian is that it is so slow on releases apparently due to friction between developers.
As a Debian developer I think that's unfair. Debian releases when it's ready. Unfortunately with ~ 1000 developers there is a mixed idea of what ready means. Also I've heard both the argument (from users) that Debian needs to release more often, and that it releases too often. It's kinda hard to keep both groups happy.
"However, this lengthy and complex development style also has some drawbacks: the stable releases of Debian are not particularly up-to-date and they age rapidly, especially since new stable releases are only published once every 1 - 3 years. Those users who prefer the latest packages and technologies are forced to use the potentially buggy Debian testing or unstable branches. The highly democratic structures of Debian have led to controversial decisions and gave rise to infighting among the developers. This has contributed to stagnation and reluctance to make radical decisions that would take the project forward." [Distrowatch]
My comment was referring to this paragraph and what i gathered from reading numerous posts on forums. IF that is an unfair and unjust statement - it is the duty and responsibility of the debian community to raise the issue as it is damaging. I don't like what they write for several distros and i've written to a distro founder (another distro) in the past.
james
On 21/12/10 20:07, James Freer wrote:
"However, this lengthy and complex development style also has some drawbacks: the stable releases of Debian are not particularly up-to-date and they age rapidly, especially since new stable releases are only published once every 1 - 3 years. Those users who prefer the latest packages and technologies are forced to use the potentially buggy Debian testing or unstable branches. The highly democratic structures of Debian have led to controversial decisions and gave rise to infighting among the developers. This has contributed to stagnation and reluctance to make radical decisions that would take the project forward." [Distrowatch]
My comment was referring to this paragraph and what i gathered from reading numerous posts on forums. IF that is an unfair and unjust statement - it is the duty and responsibility of the debian community to raise the issue as it is damaging. I don't like what they write for several distros and i've written to a distro founder (another distro) in the past.
Show me a project of that scope that doesn't have those problems. Better still show me a way to organise such a project in a way that keeps everyone from the developers to the users happy. In fact no even better still show them.
Debian as a community have probably contributed more to Linux than any other. There is a very good reason why Debian is used as the source for so many spin off distributions. The criteria for getting something into the Stable branch is strict for good reason. Without it nothing would ever get past the "it almost works most of the time and we will finish the manpages later" stage.
On 21/12/10 08:54, Mark Rogers wrote:
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However, since the subject is Mint, have you considered the new Linux Mint Debian[1]? It's basically Mint on top of Debian instead of Ubuntu. The only issue you may have is that it's Gnome and 32-bit only (depending on how popular it is that will change, but rightly they're trying to do just one thing at a time). It's a rolling distro so it basically follows Debian Testing and doesn't have releases as such, as long as you install updates you'll always be on the latest code (for better or worse). On the face of it, that just sounds like Ubuntu but less stable :-)
There is an imminent release of Mint 10 debian version which will be 64bit.[1]
It can be changed to follow any branch of Debian I believe by modifying the sources for apt.
Ben
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 09:51:54PM +0000, James Freer wrote:
I did some distro "assessment" a few weeks ago and i've switched to Mint 9 xfce (not quite answering your question).
I wasn't very keen on purple and the other changes and i wanted the less sophisticated desktop. I didn't mind brown - i just got used to it. I preferred Mint's green to xubuntu's midnight blue [too dark].
Surely it's easier to change the colour of your desktop than to change distributions?!
I mean if I decide I like xubuntu but not the colours then the solution surely is to play with what's available in the "Xfce 4 Settings Manager" Appearance and Window Manager utilities rather than throwing out xubuntu and trying something else.
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