All, So what kind of capacity does the meeting require? Does the venue require a connection to the outside world?
Is there a group defining group config before the event such as DHCP setup etc. to save time on the day.
Is there an agenda, other than fix web site?
What is the duration of the meeting?
A norwich or north norfolk meeting is good for me, does anyone else have a preference?
CNR.
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:50:21 +0100 From: "C. N. Ross" cnr@dircon.co.uk To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [Alug] New to this list Reply-To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk
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Hi,
So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive?
Regards,
Christopher Ross MCSE CCNA CCDA
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<P>So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive?
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Message: 2 To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] New to this list From: MJ Ray markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Date: 29 Aug 2000 22:05:07 +0100 Reply-To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk
Dang. This list is meant to bounce attachments. Sorry folks -- filters tweaked.
"C. N. Ross" cnr@dircon.co.uk writes:
So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive?
ALUG is alive and currently "stable, but improving". ALUG-IRC is held on Mondays at 2000 in OpenProjects Net (server eu.openprojects.net port 8001 #alug) and the most recent log (but not too interesting) is at http://www.cloaked.freeserve.co.uk/comp/alugirc2.html
In real life, ALUG-40 (aka "Brian", I think) was held last Sunday at Syleham and equalled the lowest-ever turnout. Fixing the website is seen as a priority, followed by putting together event publicity material for local noticeboards and computer shops.
The next ALUG meeting will be in about a month, probably 17th September, but venue is TBC (Pete?).
The mailing list is moderately quiet, but a steady stream of messages. MIME attachments are unwelcome, so please try to make sure to send plain-text only.
Anything I've forgotten?
-- MJR
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:46:19 +0100 From: Aquarius aquarius@kryogenix.org To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] New to this list Reply-To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:05:07PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Dang. This list is meant to bounce attachments. Sorry folks -- filters tweaked.
"C. N. Ross" cnr@dircon.co.uk writes:
So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive?
ALUG is alive and currently "stable, but improving".
Better than being "frozen", ah-ha-ha-ha. :)
ALUG-IRC is held on Mondays at 2000 in OpenProjects Net (server eu.openprojects.net port 8001 #alug) and the most recent log (but not too interesting) is at http://www.cloaked.freeserve.co.uk/comp/alugirc2.html
I shall endeavour to make it next Monday.
In real life, ALUG-40 (aka "Brian", I think) was held last Sunday at Syleham and equalled the lowest-ever turnout.
Pitiful failure to turn up on my part :-(
The next ALUG meeting will be in about a month, probably 17th September, but venue is TBC (Pete?).
Is this likely to be the Norwich end of the world this time?
Aquarius
-- "If you have a problem If no-one else can help And if you can find them Maybe you should hire - the Aq team" -- darlzie and Nef, #eddings
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Aquarius aquarius@kryogenix.org writes:
Is this likely to be the Norwich end of the world this time?
Is a North Norfolk venue possible? ;-) UEA has major problems with late September, because of arrivals. I can't get a room on the 17th (all booked out to arrivals) or confirmation until quite late (w/b 11th) on anything we would want on the 24th.
-- MJR
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Message: 5 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:38:10 +0100 From: Aquarius aquarius@kryogenix.org To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] New to this list Reply-To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:56:38PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Aquarius aquarius@kryogenix.org writes:
Is this likely to be the Norwich end of the world this time?
Is a North Norfolk venue possible? ;-) UEA has major problems with late September, because of arrivals. I can't get a room on the 17th (all booked out to arrivals) or confirmation until quite late (w/b 11th) on anything we would want on the 24th.
Er. Adam? Have you moved to Cambridge now?
There's the community centre here in North Walsham; no idea what we'd need to do to get it, though. What are the prerequisites for a venue? Electricity and tables? Or is it more complex than that?
Aq.
-- "Aq's gone off me so many times I'm surprised he hasn't rotted away by now. ;)" -- Kamion, afe
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"C. N. Ross" wrote:
All, So what kind of capacity does the meeting require? Does the venue require a connection to the outside world?
[A TON of shite snipped]
So, who wants to go first?
Christopher, you have a lot to learn... May I suggest you read a little on netiquette. We'll be nice to you in here, you won't be so lucky with those nasty people outside...
Cheers, Laurie.
PS. Welcome to the LUG.
Laurie, Obviously I'm one of the lurker types that never attends meetings, but what was wrong with the C.N.Ross questions? Seemed reasonable to me and you appeared to drop on him/her from a great height, for no real reason...or did I miss something.
,'_ Al / -.--. ___ __ ~-.`--'_.-' / /\ RR --'_ \ __/ `---' __/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.biohazzard.co.uk BioHazzard@mad.scientist.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original Message----- From: alug-admin@stu.uea.ac.uk [mailto:alug-admin@stu.uea.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Laurie Brown Sent: 30 August 2000 10:07 To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Venue.
"C. N. Ross" wrote:
All, So what kind of capacity does the meeting require? Does the venue
require a
connection to the outside world?
[A TON of shite snipped]
So, who wants to go first?
Christopher, you have a lot to learn... May I suggest you read a little on netiquette. We'll be nice to you in here, you won't be so lucky with those nasty people outside...
Cheers, Laurie.
PS. Welcome to the LUG.
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:23:58AM +0100, Al wrote:
Laurie, Obviously I'm one of the lurker types that never attends meetings, but what was wrong with the C.N.Ross questions? Seemed reasonable to me and you appeared to drop on him/her from a great height, for no real reason...or did I miss something.
I have a hunch that Laurie was complaining about the fact that the message contained the entire text of a digest, and although that didn't bother me (mainly cos I'm sitting in the middle of an office with a nice sminty net connection, its a bit of a waste of bandwidth for the modem users out there.
Am I right Laurie?
Anyways. Back to werk.
Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:23:58AM +0100, Al wrote:
Laurie, Obviously I'm one of the lurker types that never attends meetings, but what was wrong with the C.N.Ross questions? Seemed reasonable to me and you appeared to drop on him/her from a great height, for no real reason...or did I miss something.
I have a hunch that Laurie was complaining about the fact that the message contained the entire text of a digest, and although that didn't bother me (mainly cos I'm sitting in the middle of an office with a nice sminty net connection, its a bit of a waste of bandwidth for the modem users out there.
Am I right Laurie?
Anyways. Back to werk.
Brett
Yep, partially. When one considers the traffic on the net, gratuitous waste of bandwith affects us all, ultimately, rarely more so than in newsgroups and mailing lists.
To Al, et al (arfarf!)
The nub is that a constant problem with the rush to join the net, is the number of new users who don't understand the netiquette, or the reasons for it. Worse are those who don't care and refuse to moderate their behaviour, but we don't have those in here, thankfully.
The "rules" for posting have evolved as a consequence of the the difficulties in communicating electronically, and encompass all sort of issues. Bandwidth, PC performance, character sets, the lack of emotion in written text, typographical convention and so on. They evolved because they needed to, and even if some issues such as bandwidth seem less relevant today, when examined in any depth, they are just as relevant as ever. When a newbie in a group like this uses his outlook or netscape client in default mode (which flies in the face of convention) then he or she needs to be advised of the rules, and invited to modify his or her behaviour. We in here can be nice and friendly, others are very much less so. Trust me on that.
So, the "rules" relevant in this instance (and Al's "guilty" of two of these):
Never post in HTML Never post binaries to a newsgroup Never have a sig more than 5 lines long Never quote a sig Never quote more of the text you're answering than neccessary Always use [SNIP] if the quote deletion alters the context Always put your reply AFTER the quotes never before Always be polite Always check for grammar and typos If asking a question, give full info.
There are loads more, but these are the relevant ones.
A personal one I have, is to remember that dejanews archives newsgropups, and that thousands use it extensively for technical queries. Therefore, in a technical forum, I try to use topic text and question-framing with later searching and retrieval in mind. 'Course, that's irrelevant in a mailing list.
Cheers, Laurie.
John Woodard wrote:
Laurie wrote:
I try to use topic text and question-framing with later searching and retrieval in mind. 'Course, that's irrelevant in a mailing list.
Care to expand on that old chap.
Cheers, BJ
Yep. Don't use a topic/subject of "Problem!" or "HEEELLLP!!!!!" or "prb wth lnx on my hm PC", use something meaningful like "Need help with 2.0.7 smbmount syntax".
When composing a question, include error messages, because the next person to see said message will search on that in deja looking for an answer to it. Also, include full descriptions, with as much information as possible, especially segments of logs, again, something to search for.
Deja, and its ilk, are invaluable tools for technical support, and I try to write so as to include the sort of text that I would search for were I to be in the same position (which, of course, I am at the time).
Cheers, Laurie.
Laurie wrote:
Yep. Don't use a topic/subject of "Problem!" or "HEEELLLP!!!!!" or "prb wth lnx on my hm PC", use something meaningful like "Need help with 2.0.7 smbmount syntax".
Didn't get the question framing bit, see what you mean now. Thought it was a bit obvious to put the subject in the subject field. Thats why this message has the subject "RE: [Alug] Venue". :-)
Cheers, BJ
Al wrote:
Laurie, Obviously I'm one of the lurker types that never attends meetings, but what was wrong with the C.N.Ross questions? Seemed reasonable to me and you appeared to drop on him/her from a great height, for no real reason...or did I miss something.
Al, if you think I "dumped on him from a great height" you obviously haven't survived or witnessed a usenet baptism of fire... We old timers have, and it can get very bloody, especially if one's a hyper-sensitive Yank, which most are, and who take it very personally. Anyway, I'll answer properly in Brett's post.
Cheers, Laurie.
Laurie, Brett, Thanks for that, I've been online for a fair old while now, but never used usenet as such. An occasional dabble in the motorcycle related newsgroups if I needed the answer to something is about my limit. I guess I've just had a sheltered upbringing so if I hadn't asked I would never know :o) (I suppose I should have trimmed the messages off the end, so now it's my turn???)
,'_ Al / -.--. ___ __ ~-.`--'_.-' / /\ RR --'_ \ __/ `---' __/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.biohazzard.co.uk BioHazzard@mad.scientist.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original Message----- From: alug-admin@stu.uea.ac.uk [mailto:alug-admin@stu.uea.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Laurie Brown Sent: 30 August 2000 10:54 To: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Venue.
Al wrote:
Laurie, Obviously I'm one of the lurker types that never attends meetings, but
what
was wrong with the C.N.Ross questions? Seemed reasonable to me and you appeared to drop on him/her from a great height, for no real reason...or
did
I miss something.
Al, if you think I "dumped on him from a great height" you obviously haven't survived or witnessed a usenet baptism of fire... We old timers have, and it can get very bloody, especially if one's a hyper-sensitive Yank, which most are, and who take it very personally. Anyway, I'll answer properly in Brett's post.
Cheers, Laurie.
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:54:12AM +0100, Laurie Brown wrote:
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Al, if you think I "dumped on him from a great height" you obviously haven't survived or witnessed a usenet baptism of fire... We old timers have, and it can get very bloody, especially if one's a hyper-sensitive Yank, which most are, and who take it very personally. Anyway, I'll answer properly in Brett's post.
Examples of the Good Olde British Usenet[tm] flaming for incorrect/inconsiderate behaviour may be famously found in demon.service, available at http://deja.com/.
[N.B.] Don't take {R}'s comments (d.s) too personally, you'll never allow yourself out of the house again if you do.
jg --remembering the old days ;)
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