A word of warning- don't try to install gentoo in just your evenings! You probably need a whole weekend with not much else to do.
*hmph my laptop is fscked*
...off to wait until he has enough time to install the damn thing...in a few weeks, maybe...... bah!
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 08:31:40PM +0000, Ricardo Campos wrote:
A word of warning- don't try to install gentoo in just your evenings! You probably need a whole weekend with not much else to do.
*hmph my laptop is fscked*
...off to wait until he has enough time to install the damn thing...in a few weeks, maybe...... bah!
Dude, something isn't right with your mail client, everyone else is just fine just your mail client lines seems to get mangled up here!
I can't really see what is the problem with Gentoo. Okay if it is may not be for everyone but it works a treat over here. Everyone else I know never had problems with Gentoo.
Craig wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 08:31:40PM +0000, Ricardo Campos wrote:
A word of warning- don't try to install gentoo in just your evenings! You probably need a whole weekend with not much else to do.
*hmph my laptop is fscked*
...off to wait until he has enough time to install the damn thing...in a few weeks, maybe...... bah!
Dude, something isn't right with your mail client, everyone else is just fine just your mail client lines seems to get mangled up here!
I can't really see what is the problem with Gentoo. Okay if it is may not be for everyone but it works a treat over here. Everyone else I know never had problems with Gentoo.
No probs here! We're standardising on it, run internal gentoo mirrors, and have developed lots of scripts and so on. Gentoo is the D's B's, IMO.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:55:17PM +0100, Laurie Brown wrote:
No probs here! We're standardising on it, run internal gentoo mirrors, and have developed lots of scripts and so on. Gentoo is the D's B's, IMO.
It would be decent to run a internal mirror for work but then have to influence a few people to use gentoo in order for the mirror to be up ;)
A little off topic here:
From craig Tue Sep 10 22:15:05 2002
Subject: Re: [Alug] Gentoo Folder: /dev/null 3881
Uh oh.. looks like one email went to /dev/null!! I only see like 4 emails so far subjected 'Gentoo' ?
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:58:20PM +0100, Craig wrote:
I can't really see what is the problem with Gentoo. Okay if it is may not be for everyone but it works a treat over here. Everyone else I know never had problems with Gentoo.
I tried one of the earlier releases and didn't get the experience it was suggested i would, i left it overnight compiling and got back the next day to find it had really screwed up somewhere in the build process so I was understandably a bit pissed off :)
I think the newer releases are supposed to be much improved though, although I don't think I will be giving up Debian for a very long time yet.
Adam
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:07:41PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote:
I tried one of the earlier releases and didn't get the experience it was suggested i would, i left it overnight compiling and got back the next day to find it had really screwed up somewhere in the build process so I was understandably a bit pissed off :)
The early releases were a bit awkward but weren't most distros were like this in their early stages?
I think the newer releases are supposed to be much improved though, although I don't think I will be giving up Debian for a very long time yet.
The new beta 1.4 using gcc3.2 is really decent to use. I'm switching to that for this home machine. Work machine is just flying! ;)
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:31:31PM +0100, Craig wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:07:41PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote:
I tried one of the earlier releases and didn't get the experience it was suggested i would, i left it overnight compiling and got back the next day to find it had really screwed up somewhere in the build process so I was understandably a bit pissed off :)
The early releases were a bit awkward but weren't most distros were like this in their early stages?
Thats true, just I did think it took the piss as their publicity at the time promised lots more than they actually gave me though. What I may do when I find some spare time is do an install of Debian and make it nice and lovely for this box and then benchmark it, then do the same for Redhat, Gentoo Mandrake to see what the benefits in performance of each are as I am especially interested to see if the alleged optimisations actually make any difference with Gentoo as I have heard some people say that the real world benefits will be minimal possibly less than 1 or 2% and in some cases worse than just compiling for 386.
Adam
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:39:38 +0100 Adam Bower abower@thebowery.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:31:31PM +0100, Craig wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:07:41PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote:
I tried one of the earlier releases and didn't get the experience it was suggested i would, i left it overnight compiling and got back the next day to find it had really screwed up somewhere in the build process so I was understandably a bit pissed off :)
The early releases were a bit awkward but weren't most distros were like this in their early stages?
Thats true, just I did think it took the piss as their publicity at the time promised lots more than they actually gave me though. What I may do when I find some spare time is do an install of Debian and make it nice and lovely for this box and then benchmark it, then do the same for Redhat, Gentoo Mandrake to see what the benefits in performance of each are as I am especially interested to see if the alleged optimisations actually make any difference with Gentoo as I have heard some people say that the real world benefits will be minimal possibly less than 1 or 2% and in some cases worse than just compiling for 386.
I suspect that for the majority of packages it will make a small difference but maybe not enough to worry about. Where I expect it will make a worthwhile difference is in things which a very CPU intensive in the first place. Examples are cryptography and audio and video coding applications. Some of these will benefit even more because they include hand coded and optimised assembler for certain processor types.
Steve.
Adam Bower wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:31:31PM +0100, Craig wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:07:41PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote:
I tried one of the earlier releases and didn't get the experience it was suggested i would, i left it overnight compiling and got back the next day to find it had really screwed up somewhere in the build process so I was understandably a bit pissed off :)
The early releases were a bit awkward but weren't most distros were like this in their early stages?
Thats true, just I did think it took the piss as their publicity at the time promised lots more than they actually gave me though. What I may do when I find some spare time is do an install of Debian and make it nice and lovely for this box and then benchmark it, then do the same for Redhat, Gentoo Mandrake to see what the benefits in performance of each are as I am especially interested to see if the alleged optimisations actually make any difference with Gentoo as I have heard some people say that the real world benefits will be minimal possibly less than 1 or 2% and in some cases worse than just compiling for 386.
I have some info for this. I just had a conversation with one of our other Directors, who has just put a Gentoo box as his firewall/comms box on a dial-up. He used exactly the same hardware, exactly the same iptables script, the only difference is an optimised Gentoo install replaced a SuSE 7.3 install. His average d/l speed has gone from 4-4.5kps to 10-11 kps.
Cheers, Laurie.
Craig wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 10:07:41PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote:
I tried one of the earlier releases and didn't get the experience it was suggested i would, i left it overnight compiling and got back the next day to find it had really screwed up somewhere in the build process so I was understandably a bit pissed off :)
The early releases were a bit awkward but weren't most distros were like this in their early stages?
I think the newer releases are supposed to be much improved though, although I don't think I will be giving up Debian for a very long time yet.
The new beta 1.4 using gcc3.2 is really decent to use. I'm switching to that for this home machine. Work machine is just flying! ;)
We're still using 1.2, because we have a lot of live machines now, and change control is important. Maybe we should play with 1.4 now.
Now I'm into Gentoo, I can't imagine using another distro, and certainly not an RPM-based one. I used to like SuSE, and always disliked RH and all its spin-offs. I looked at Debian, and didn't really get on with it. Gentoo is superb, and it's as up-to-date as I want it to be. For a commercial environment, which is what we have, it's excellent.
Cheers, Laurie.
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