I have done this before but I think I may need a little help. Finally got round to wresting the info from my old laptop. (Note that if the keyboard is stuffed, clicking on the human figure on the top right of the screen brings up an on-screen keyboard. You probably know this, but I pass it on anyway.)
But to the point of this email. Stuck the usb drive in which has Mint on it and powered the laptop up. Clicked on ESC as it said that would bring the boot menu up. It did not. Not fast enough? What speed should I aim for next time? I found out how to shutdown before it got me all the way through the Windows set up so that's something.
Thanks in advance.
Bev.
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
Cheerio, Bart
This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.
I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.
Bev.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
Cheerio, Bart _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe send an email to main-leave@lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!
Bev,
I could add F9, F11 and F12 all depending on what laptop you are using.
Check online as it might save you plenty of time. Then look at boot device options and select your usb stick. That should start the installer.
Bart
11 Oct 2023 08:30:14 Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk:
This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.
I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.
Bev.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
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Ah, "would that it were so simple"*. Located the Boot menu at last. Noted that the usb option is the first that is ticked on the list. Tried saving. It will not save. It just beeps at me, without offering any useful information about why it's beeping. I can't see a way of rearranging the order they come in either.
This is a laptop where someone other than me would go through the initial Windows 11 set up (language, internet settings, MS account etc) so I'm wondering if that's part of the problem here.
Bev.
*Hail Caesar quote.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:15 PM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: "Bev Nicolson" lumos@gmx.co.uk Cc: alug-main main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Bev,
I could add F9, F11 and F12 all depending on what laptop you are using.
Check online as it might save you plenty of time. Then look at boot device options and select your usb stick. That should start the installer.
Bart
11 Oct 2023 08:30:14 Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk:
This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.
I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.
Bev.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
Cheerio, Bart _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe send an email to main-leave@lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!
Hi Bev,
Have you said which make/model/age laptop this is? I have a newish inexpensive windows laptop, referred to as a "cloudbook" by ASUS, which I tossed to one side because it has become increasingly difficult to do anything at the level below the intended high level operating system. I had serious trouble with this one even after I'd already nuked microsoft from it, so you definitely are far from alone in your frustration. I'll have a go at it again this weekend since I'm thinking about it. Good luck with your quest.
On 12 Oct 2023, at 17:24, Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk wrote:
Ah, "would that it were so simple"*. Located the Boot menu at last. Noted that the usb option is the first that is ticked on the list. Tried saving. It will not save. It just beeps at me, without offering any useful information about why it's beeping. I can't see a way of rearranging the order they come in either.
This is a laptop where someone other than me would go through the initial Windows 11 set up (language, internet settings, MS account etc) so I'm wondering if that's part of the problem here.
Bev.
*Hail Caesar quote.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:15 PM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: "Bev Nicolson" lumos@gmx.co.uk Cc: alug-main main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Bev,
I could add F9, F11 and F12 all depending on what laptop you are using.
Check online as it might save you plenty of time. Then look at boot device options and select your usb stick. That should start the installer.
Bart
11 Oct 2023 08:30:14 Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk:
This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.
I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.
Bev.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
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Good morning Susan,
That looks like yet another cheap and "disposable" device from Asus. One like Chromebook or Chromebox.
I converted a Chromebox into a low power "server" for hosting my own nextcloud. This works relatively well although affected by sporadic SSD I/O errors.
I'm really curious as to how you have managed to unlock your cloudbook. A quick search on the internet has not returned any useful information. Would you mind sharing?
Cheerio, Bart
13 Oct 2023 07:14:14 Susan Spence sue_spence@icloud.com:
Hi Bev,
Have you said which make/model/age laptop this is? I have a newish inexpensive windows laptop, referred to as a "cloudbook" by ASUS, which I tossed to one side because it has become increasingly difficult to do anything at the level below the intended high level operating system. I had serious trouble with this one even after I'd already nuked microsoft from it, so you definitely are far from alone in your frustration. I'll have a go at it again this weekend since I'm thinking about it. Good luck with your quest.
On 12 Oct 2023, at 17:24, Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk wrote:
Ah, "would that it were so simple"*. Located the Boot menu at last. Noted that the usb option is the first that is ticked on the list. Tried saving. It will not save. It just beeps at me, without offering any useful information about why it's beeping. I can't see a way of rearranging the order they come in either.
This is a laptop where someone other than me would go through the initial Windows 11 set up (language, internet settings, MS account etc) so I'm wondering if that's part of the problem here.
Bev.
*Hail Caesar quote.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:15 PM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: "Bev Nicolson" lumos@gmx.co.uk Cc: alug-main main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Bev,
I could add F9, F11 and F12 all depending on what laptop you are using.
Check online as it might save you plenty of time. Then look at boot device options and select your usb stick. That should start the installer.
Bart
11 Oct 2023 08:30:14 Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk:
This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.
I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.
Bev.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
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A "cloudbook" is what used to be called a "netbook" -- a cheap WIndows S system rather than a chromebook running ChromeOS.
It's easier to install Linux on a cloudbook than a chromebook still it's really a standard PC and you just have to work out how to boot from a USB stick and get working WiFi.
Personally I gave up converting chromebooks to linux since the specs are too low, keyboard is non-standard with missing keys and its too fiddly.
In fact if you wanted a chromebook converting a cloudbook to some version of ChromeOS is also possible (and would probably give you longer support than the real thing).
S
On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 at 14:45, BD dzidek23@gmail.com wrote:
Good morning Susan,
That looks like yet another cheap and "disposable" device from Asus. One like Chromebook or Chromebox.
I converted a Chromebox into a low power "server" for hosting my own nextcloud. This works relatively well although affected by sporadic SSD I/O errors.
I'm really curious as to how you have managed to unlock your cloudbook. A quick search on the internet has not returned any useful information. Would you mind sharing?
Cheerio, Bart
13 Oct 2023 07:14:14 Susan Spence sue_spence@icloud.com:
Hi Bev,
Have you said which make/model/age laptop this is? I have a newish inexpensive windows laptop, referred to as a "cloudbook" by ASUS, which I tossed to one side because it has become increasingly difficult to do anything at the level below the intended high level operating system. I had serious trouble with this one even after I'd already nuked microsoft from it, so you definitely are far from alone in your frustration. I'll have a go at it again this weekend since I'm thinking about it. Good luck with your quest.
On 12 Oct 2023, at 17:24, Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk wrote:
Ah, "would that it were so simple"*. Located the Boot menu at last. Noted that the usb option is the first that is ticked on the list. Tried saving. It will not save. It just beeps at me, without offering any useful information about why it's beeping. I can't see a way of rearranging the order they come in either.
This is a laptop where someone other than me would go through the initial Windows 11 set up (language, internet settings, MS account etc) so I'm wondering if that's part of the problem here.
Bev.
*Hail Caesar quote.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:15 PM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: "Bev Nicolson" lumos@gmx.co.uk Cc: alug-main main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Bev,
I could add F9, F11 and F12 all depending on what laptop you are using.
Check online as it might save you plenty of time. Then look at boot device options and select your usb stick. That should start the installer.
Bart
11 Oct 2023 08:30:14 Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk:
This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.
I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.
Bev.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
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The crucial thing they miss from the instructions is to disable secure boot. Found this looking at a comment made in passing on a forum. Linux is now go. Phew.
Bev
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2023 at 8:14 AM From: "Susan Spence" sue_spence@icloud.com To: "Bev Nicolson" lumos@gmx.co.uk Cc: BD dzidek23@gmail.com, alug-main main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
Have you said which make/model/age laptop this is? I have a newish inexpensive windows laptop, referred to as a "cloudbook" by ASUS, which I tossed to one side because it has become increasingly difficult to do anything at the level below the intended high level operating system. I had serious trouble with this one even after I'd already nuked microsoft from it, so you definitely are far from alone in your frustration. I'll have a go at it again this weekend since I'm thinking about it. Good luck with your quest.
On 12 Oct 2023, at 17:24, Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk wrote:
Ah, "would that it were so simple"*. Located the Boot menu at last. Noted that the usb option is the first that is ticked on the list. Tried saving. It will not save. It just beeps at me, without offering any useful information about why it's beeping. I can't see a way of rearranging the order they come in either.
This is a laptop where someone other than me would go through the initial Windows 11 set up (language, internet settings, MS account etc) so I'm wondering if that's part of the problem here.
Bev.
*Hail Caesar quote.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:15 PM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: "Bev Nicolson" lumos@gmx.co.uk Cc: alug-main main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Bev,
I could add F9, F11 and F12 all depending on what laptop you are using.
Check online as it might save you plenty of time. Then look at boot device options and select your usb stick. That should start the installer.
Bart
11 Oct 2023 08:30:14 Bev Nicolson lumos@gmx.co.uk:
This is the thing. I haven't installed Mint yet but I was trying to. All the instructions I found said the usb drive would be recognised. Seems not. So we're back to the esc, F2, F10 keys to get to the Boot menu.
I've not been faced with the Windows set up wizard before so I may have lost a little confidence.
Bev.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM From: BD dzidek23@gmail.com To: main@lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] installing Linux over Windows
Hi Bev,
I'm slightly confused about the ESC and getting to boot menu. If you have just installed new Linux, grub should not be a problem.
Are you trying to access grub on a UEFI fast boot enabled system? If so, some laptops are a real pain and you might not be able to get to grub using the ESC key. Look online for how to force/access "bios" and after exiting from there try ESC. If I recall correctly, once I had to use WinPE to get to UEFI.
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