[Alug]Re: Update on story of Microsoft charging schools too much
Perhaps it would make more impact with the public if all traffic on the above subject were to be copied to the local papers that ran the story today! -- John Seago
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, John Seago wrote:
Perhaps it would make more impact with the public if all traffic on the above subject were to be copied to the local papers that ran the story today!
Just take out the mail headers first, otherwise it will be far too long. Good idea though, shall we do a letter to the EDP signed from ALUG then? If so, does anyone want to volunteer to write it or shall I? It's a bit of a wide-eyed dreamy idea, but could organising a couple of people to go round the Heads of IT at various schools, demoing linux etc. be a good idea too? BenE (bugger, my system clocks still wrong isn't it? Sorry everyone)
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, BenE wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, John Seago wrote:
Perhaps it would make more impact with the public if all traffic on the above subject were to be copied to the local papers that ran the story today!
Just take out the mail headers first, otherwise it will be far too long.
Good idea though, shall we do a letter to the EDP signed from ALUG then? If so, does anyone want to volunteer to write it or shall I?
It's a bit of a wide-eyed dreamy idea, but could organising a couple of people to go round the Heads of IT at various schools, demoing linux etc. be a good idea too?
BenE
(bugger, my system clocks still wrong isn't it? Sorry everyone)
Oh, there's my original post. It must have gotten stuck on the freeserve queue or something (BTW, has anyone else on freeserve received a mail from them saying that in the future we *must* connect using their little app they developed? I'm assuming it windows only so I feel a change of ISP coming on)
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 12:26:00AM +0100, BenE wrote:
Oh, there's my original post. It must have gotten stuck on the freeserve queue or something
(BTW, has anyone else on freeserve received a mail from them saying that in the future we *must* connect using their little app they developed? I'm assuming it windows only so I feel a change of ISP coming on)
If you are on a dialup.. try claranet. But then again..I'm on adsl (zen internet). -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
(BTW, has anyone else on freeserve received a mail from them saying that in the future we *must* connect using their little app they developed? I'm assuming it windows only so I feel a change of ISP coming on)
If you are on a dialup.. try claranet.
I use The Phone Co-op for land line calls and ISP with Home Highway - good speeds, no cut-offs yet, no problems connecting. They are not the super-cheapest around (14 GBP + vat per month) but I'm happy to be supporting a Co-op as it fits some of my remaining frayed ideals. Their smtp server is called rochdalepioneers, which tickled me (the Co-operative movement started in Rochdale). Their News server via poptel.org.uk wasn't very good last time I tried it, if that is an issue. No idea about specific linux support though as I simply use a pop client for email. FWIW, the only time I needed any info I received a helpful informative email very quickly. Perhaps not for everyone but it suits me. Syd
(BTW, has anyone else on freeserve received a mail from them saying that in the future we *must* connect using their little app they developed? I'm assuming it windows only so I feel a change of ISP coming on)
If you are on a dialup.. try claranet.
I use The Phone Co-op for land line calls and ISP with Home Highway - good speeds, no cut-offs yet, no problems connecting. They are not the super-cheapest around (14 GBP + vat per month) but I'm happy to be supporting a Co-op as it fits some of my remaining frayed ideals. Their smtp server is called rochdalepioneers, which tickled me (the Co-operative movement started in Rochdale). Their News server via poptel.org.uk wasn't very good last time I tried it, if that is an issue. No idea about specific linux support though as I simply use a pop client for email. FWIW, the only time I needed any info I received a helpful informative email very quickly. Perhaps not for everyone but it suits me. Syd
BenE <mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
assuming it windows only so I feel a change of ISP coming on)
http://www.ukfsn.org/ perhaps? Warning of bias: we all have a financial interest in getting more money to free software, don't we? ;-) -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Thought: "Changeset algebra is really difficult."
On Thursday 19 Jun 2003 10:09 pm, BenE wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, John Seago wrote:
Perhaps it would make more impact with the public if all traffic on the above subject were to be copied to the local papers that ran the story today!
Just take out the mail headers first, otherwise it will be far too long.
Good idea though, shall we do a letter to the EDP signed from ALUG then? If so, does anyone want to volunteer to write it or shall I?
Looks like you just volunteered, but if you draft it I'll be happy to comment/add etc. Ian
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Ian Bell wrote:
On Thursday 19 Jun 2003 10:09 pm, BenE wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, John Seago wrote:
Perhaps it would make more impact with the public if all traffic on the above subject were to be copied to the local papers that ran the story today!
Just take out the mail headers first, otherwise it will be far too long.
Good idea though, shall we do a letter to the EDP signed from ALUG then? If so, does anyone want to volunteer to write it or shall I?
Looks like you just volunteered, but if you draft it I'll be happy to comment/add etc.
I've had a think about this today (and I'll post a draft tmrw afternoon sometime) but 2 things spring to mind. Firstly, considering the subject it might be worth including something along the lines of, 'if you are a school and are interested in linux then contact ALUG for advice, demos. If you lot agree with this inclusion then perhaps the website could have a 'schools click here' button which links to contact details added to it? Secondly, and rather anally, if the letter were to be signed from us lot then how long should I wait before assuming no-one objects and sending it? I wouldn't like a letter to be sent in my name (although indirectly I supose) which I didn't agree with so I would be inclined to wait a few days (at least) before sending so everyone can voice objections. On the other hand, waiting too long *could* mean the story getting old and the letter not getting printed. Does anyone have any comments pls? BenE
On Sunday 22 Jun 2003 12:23 am, BenE wrote: snip
I've had a think about this today (and I'll post a draft tmrw afternoon sometime) but 2 things spring to mind.
Firstly, considering the subject it might be worth including something along the lines of, 'if you are a school and are interested in linux then contact ALUG for advice, demos. If you lot agree with this inclusion then perhaps the website could have a 'schools click here' button which links to contact details added to it?
Secondly, and rather anally, if the letter were to be signed from us lot then how long should I wait before assuming no-one objects and sending it? I wouldn't like a letter to be sent in my name (although indirectly I supose) which I didn't agree with so I would be inclined to wait a few days (at least) before sending so everyone can voice objections. On the other hand, waiting too long *could* mean the story getting old and the letter not getting printed.
Does anyone have any comments pls?
I think we should just get on with it. Post it quick, wait a couple of days for for comments and approval/disapproval. If you feel there is enough support then send it. Ian
On Sunday 22 Jun 2003 12:02 pm, Ian Bell wrote:
I think we should just get on with it. Post it quick, wait a couple of days for for comments and approval/disapproval. If you feel there is enough support then send it.
I agree - my experience with ALUG is that if people disagree then you'll hear about it pretty quickly :-) Otherwise just assume that people are nodding their heads and moving on to the next message. That's what I do anyway. I'd say allow a week - ample time for everyone intereted to get round to reading their mail and responding if they wish. Syd
BenE <mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Secondly, and rather anally, if the letter were to be signed from us lot then how long should I wait before assuming no-one objects and sending it? I wouldn't like a letter to be sent in my name (although indirectly I supose) which I didn't agree with [...]
I'd advise against as sending it as "From ALUG" but instead ask people who wish their names to be added to tell you, so it can be "From ALUG Members x y z..." Like many free software projects, ALUG doesn't exist as a formal organisation, and none of the original members has tried to enforce a trademark, so there's not any way to represent the group as a whole. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Thought: "Changeset algebra is really difficult."
On Sunday 22 Jun 2003 9:00 pm, MJ Ray wrote:
BenE <mail@psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Secondly, and rather anally, if the letter were to be signed from us lot then how long should I wait before assuming no-one objects and sending it? I wouldn't like a letter to be sent in my name (although indirectly I supose) which I didn't agree with [...]
I'd advise against as sending it as "From ALUG" but instead ask people who wish their names to be added to tell you, so it can be "From ALUG Members x y z..." Like many free software projects, ALUG doesn't exist as a formal organisation, and none of the original members has tried to enforce a trademark, so there's not any way to represent the group as a whole.
A sensible precaution. It simultaneously keeps ALUG in the frame without committing it as a (non existent) organisation and should be fine too with dissenters. Ian
It's a bit of a wide-eyed dreamy idea, but could organising a couple of people to go round the Heads of IT at various schools, demoing linux etc. be a good idea too?
When can you come? Bourne Grammar School South Road Bourne Lincolnshire 01778 422288 - ask for the IT department Rob Cunniffe is Director of ICT: robert.cunniffe@bourne-grammar.lincs.sch.uk
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:16:12AM +0100, Ben Francis wrote:
It's a bit of a wide-eyed dreamy idea, but could organising a couple of people to go round the Heads of IT at various schools, demoing linux etc. be a good idea too?
When can you come?
I thought you guys were already set on getting a Linux lab? Anyhow nobody ever contacted me about the help I offered, the offer is still open...... Adam -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem
I'll have a suitable demo system set up, using a Knoppix desktop, within about a week. I'm working on it for another project, but it'll be just about right for this sort of thing. If you're interested, let me know. The system is being set up for another school demo. TD On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 10:27, Adam Bower wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:16:12AM +0100, Ben Francis wrote:
It's a bit of a wide-eyed dreamy idea, but could organising a couple of people to go round the Heads of IT at various schools, demoing linux etc. be a good idea too?
When can you come?
I thought you guys were already set on getting a Linux lab? Anyhow nobody ever contacted me about the help I offered, the offer is still open......
Adam -- Tony Dietrich <td@transoft.demon.co.uk> Transoft Computer Consultants
These are pasted from ALUG posts earlier in the year. Could be useful contacts?
[Alug] Fwd: Open Source in Education Conference Date: 31/01/2003 7:14 pm From: Paul Tansom <paul@whaletales.co.uk> To: main@lists.alug.org.uk
---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: James Spedding To: schoolforge-discuss@schoolforge.net Sent: 1/30/03 3:31 PM Subject: [school-discuss] Open Source in Education Conference As an introduction to the list my name is James Spedding and I work for Anglia Polytechnic University in the UK. Amongst other things we support schools using open source software and develop solutions to school requirements. << And:
[Alug]Re: [Peterboro] Introduction of GNU/Linux to Bourne School Date: 22/12/2002 12:32 am From: garry saddington <garry@joydiv.fsnet.co.uk>
I am at Skegness Grammar School. We have a suite of 34 Linux machines booting from 2 LTSP servers as well as other open source solutions. Soon to expand to around 70 machines. If you are interested, come and take a look. I have just finished AS and A2 teaching using these machines. Linux is more than capable on the desktop! Regards Garry Saddington ICT co -ordinator << Syd
Tony Dietrich <td@transoft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I'll have a suitable demo system set up, using a Knoppix desktop, within about a week. I'm working on it for another project, but it'll be just about right for this sort of thing.
Do you know about FreEduc? http://www.ofset.org/ Should run on similar systems.
I thought you guys were already set on getting a Linux lab? Anyhow nobody ever contacted me about the help I offered, the offer is still open......
Ditto. ;-)
Yes, don't think I've forgotten! I only really posted that recent message to show that there was interest in schools. We've installed Knoppix on a handful of machines and have got Samba working. However, for the moment not much is happening with the project because the "Linux Lab" is currently being borrowed and used as a workshop for setting up a batch of 30 new PCs (with Windows 2000 I might add) and the Linux boxes were stuffed in a cupboard when I wasn't looking! That pesky IT Technician... And for that I would just like to pause to quote our IT technician on two things: "I'm going to order some A: drives" - they're called FLOPPY DISK DRIVES "So which company actually makes Linux then?" - argh. Perhaps I could convince them to dual boot the new machines in addition the the Linux Lab - although they'd have to default to windows at the moment. However, we would definately like to able to do the following in our Linux Lab: - Use a Linux box as a print server and file server accessible from the Windows machines - nearly got this working - Set up a web server for an intranet, preferably viewable from the outside world but port restrictions on our internet connection make this difficult - haven't tried this one yet, although I think it's very straight forward within our own network - We'd really like users to be able to log on to a Linux box with their windows user name and password and access their windows "home directory". Someone said (I think it was a discussion with J and slef, or someone...) that it would be easier for all students to have a common username and password - say user: student password: student - and then use their own username and password to access their windows home directory on a samba share. Was this what you meant, or did I mis-understand? - this seems a bit messy and I don't have a clue where to start - Does anyone have experience of getting Macromedia Dreamweaver 4 to run under Wine? Or perhaps could suggest a comparable HTML editor for Linux If only I could pursuade Mr C to install Knoppix on one of the two new 4.8Ghz Dell servers we've just bought... mmmmmm
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:48:03PM +0100, Ben Francis wrote:
If only I could pursuade Mr C to install Knoppix on one of the two new 4.8Ghz Dell servers we've just bought... mmmmmm
NO! ;) Send those dell servers over here please? ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
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