OT: Domain registration/DNS hosts
(OT but I think there's likely to be both knowledge and interest here. Correct me otherwise!) Most of my domains for historical reasons are with 123-Reg and I've been looking to move somewhere more reliable for years. 123-Reg has the advantage for me that I know it well but it's time I moved if that's the only thing keeping me there. All I *need* is to register/renew domains and handle their DNS. Ideally I would also *want* to have email/web forwarding. However I will never need them to provide email/web hosting. Most of the domains are .uk but with some exceptions. Who do others use and why? Who should I avoid? Mark -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
I've had some bad experiences with both 123-reg and GoDaddy years ago. Both related to poor security practices in the companies. Everyone I trust uses Gandi, so I use them :) Kind Regards Andrew On 27/11/2018 14:11, Mark Rogers wrote:
(OT but I think there's likely to be both knowledge and interest here. Correct me otherwise!)
Most of my domains for historical reasons are with 123-Reg and I've been looking to move somewhere more reliable for years. 123-Reg has the advantage for me that I know it well but it's time I moved if that's the only thing keeping me there.
All I *need* is to register/renew domains and handle their DNS. Ideally I would also *want* to have email/web forwarding. However I will never need them to provide email/web hosting.
Most of the domains are .uk but with some exceptions.
Who do others use and why? Who should I avoid?
Mark
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 14:34, Andrew Hutchings <andrew@linuxjedi.co.uk> wrote:
Everyone I trust uses Gandi, so I use them :)
Interesting: the only person in the office who doesn't use 123-Reg (it's a small office!) uses Gandi. But she didn't have any better reason for it than "because everyone else I know does". Definitely on the list then. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
On 27/11/2018 14:57, Mark Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 14:34, Andrew Hutchings <andrew@linuxjedi.co.uk> wrote:
Everyone I trust uses Gandi, so I use them :)
Interesting: the only person in the office who doesn't use 123-Reg (it's a small office!) uses Gandi. But she didn't have any better reason for it than "because everyone else I know does".
Definitely on the list then.
Hi Mark, You may recall I recently did some work for someone you (sort of) know. Part of that process was transferring all their domains from various places and consolidating with a single Registrar. I asked some people I trust, and more than one came up with gandi.net. An added bonus was that they can handle .nz domains, which was a pre-req for the client. Anyway, to cut a long story short, we chose gandi, and they have been really good so far. Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie@brownowl.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 15:49, Laurie Brown <laurie@brownowl.com> wrote:
You may recall I recently did some work for someone you (sort of) know.
I do indeed recall, and she is very happy with your work - thank you so much for that.
I asked some people I trust, and more than one came up with gandi.net. An added bonus was that they can handle .nz domains, which was a pre-req for the client.
Another vote for gandi, then. However, gandi are one of ones with the more expensive .com (etc) domains that I haven't got my head around yet. I have very few of them so it's not a big issue, but here's some examples: - dynadot: .co.uk=£5.99, .com=£7.99 - namecheap: .co.uk=£5.90, com=£6.91 - gandi: .co.uk=£6.00, .com=£13.86 - mythic: .co.uk=£7.20, .com=£14.40 There has to be a reason for this. (Incidentally I'm having to rule out Mythic as they change £10/yr for email forwarding and some of my domains use that a lot; I could roll my own but all of the others include it.) -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 02:57:37PM +0000, Mark Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 14:34, Andrew Hutchings <andrew@linuxjedi.co.uk> wrote:
Everyone I trust uses Gandi, so I use them :)
Interesting: the only person in the office who doesn't use 123-Reg (it's a small office!) uses Gandi. But she didn't have any better reason for it than "because everyone else I know does".
I use Gandi and TsoHost, mostly TsoHost. I've no compaints about either really, TsoHost support is generally better. -- Chris Green
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 14:50, Arturo Calzino <huge@huge.org.uk> wrote:
Fastmail.com Mythic-beasts.com
Mythic was one I expected to come up here so it's good that it has. Fastmail I don't know but will take a look. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:11:10 +0000 Mark Rogers <mark@more-solutions.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
(OT but I think there's likely to be both knowledge and interest here. Correct me otherwise!)
Most of my domains for historical reasons are with 123-Reg and I've been looking to move somewhere more reliable for years. 123-Reg has the advantage for me that I know it well but it's time I moved if that's the only thing keeping me there.
All I *need* is to register/renew domains and handle their DNS. Ideally I would also *want* to have email/web forwarding. However I will never need them to provide email/web hosting.
Most of the domains are .uk but with some exceptions.
Who do others use and why? Who should I avoid?
Mark
I used to manage my own DNS on a VM at bytemark, regardless of where I registered domains, but a couple of years back I rationalised things and moved all my domains to what was daily.co.uk (I had a VM there for a while). Daily was part of the Paragon group which decided to merge Daily and tsohost earlier this year. I've had no problems with them and their DNS control panel is straightforward to use. I can't say anything about their mail forwarding service because I run my own mail server for all my domains. Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mick Morgan gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 https://baldric.net/about-trivia ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Rogers wrote:
All I *need* is to register/renew domains and handle their DNS. Ideally I would also *want* to have email/web forwarding. However I will never need them to provide email/web hosting.
I moved away from 123-reg a few years ago to Mythic Beasts, a local company. I'm using only the domain registration service and their DNS server (plus DNSSEC and their brilliant DNS API). So far they have been doing an excellent job.
Most of the domains are .uk but with some exceptions.
Before you move away from 123-reg, check the terms and conditions. A few years ago they were introducing a "service charge" for each domain transferred to a different registrar. I avoided paying 123-reg by transferring the domains via nominet.uk, who charged a flat rate for a bulk transfer of .uk doamins. This was some time ago, so this might no longer be an issue. YMMV. Thomas
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 15:26, Thomas Pircher <thp+alug@p5r.uk> wrote:
I moved away from 123-reg a few years ago to Mythic Beasts, a local company.
Another vote for mythic, that's good.
Before you move away from 123-reg, check the terms and conditions. A few years ago they were introducing a "service charge" for each domain transferred to a different registrar.
Interesting, thanks. I originally chose 123-Reg because they didn't have that sort of nonsense but it looks like I need to investigate. I can't see anything from a quick Google. (I do however remember that they won't transfer domains that are close to renewal so you have to renew first.)
I avoided paying 123-reg by transferring the domains via nominet.uk, who charged a flat rate for a bulk transfer of .uk doamins.
Useful tip, thanks. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 03:40:18PM +0000, Mark Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 15:26, Thomas Pircher <thp+alug@p5r.uk> wrote:
I moved away from 123-reg a few years ago to Mythic Beasts, a local company.
Another vote for mythic, that's good.
+1 from me too (alug.org.uk is registered with them). J. -- I'm an atheist myself - there is | .''`. Debian GNU/Linux Developer no Greg Hill. | : :' : Happy to accept PGP signed | `. `' or encrypted mail - RSA | `- key on the keyservers.
As a side note, I see that everyone I've looked at charges somewhere around £6-£7 for a .co.uk, but .com are split between companies charging around £7-£8 and ones charging £12-£15. Any idea why the difference? Surely there's a registrar cost (same for all providers) and then their own costs on top (same for all types of domain within that provider). But that's obviously not the case. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
On 27 Nov 15:42, Mark Rogers wrote:
As a side note, I see that everyone I've looked at charges somewhere around £6-£7 for a .co.uk, but .com are split between companies charging around £7-£8 and ones charging £12-£15.
Any idea why the difference? Surely there's a registrar cost (same for all providers) and then their own costs on top (same for all types of domain within that provider). But that's obviously not the case.
.co.uk comes via Nominet, which is a not entirely insane registrar. .com, however, there'll be differences on depending on which particular registrar they're using and the quantity of domains registered via them - there's a discount scheme etc. Mythic use OpenSRS for .com registrations, and the pricing matches to covering our costs. Also, all types of domain are not the same price. See, for instance, the pricing for .xxx domain names, or .io... Thanks, -- Brett Parker
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 at 15:19, Brett Parker <iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk> wrote:
On 27 Nov 15:42, Mark Rogers wrote:
As a side note, I see that everyone I've looked at charges somewhere around £6-£7 for a .co.uk, but .com are split between companies charging around £7-£8 and ones charging £12-£15.
Any idea why the difference? Surely there's a registrar cost (same for all providers) and then their own costs on top (same for all types of domain within that provider). But that's obviously not the case.
.co.uk comes via Nominet, which is a not entirely insane registrar.
.com, however, there'll be differences on depending on which particular registrar they're using and the quantity of domains registered via them - there's a discount scheme etc. Mythic use OpenSRS for .com registrations, and the pricing matches to covering our costs.
Also, all types of domain are not the same price. See, for instance, the pricing for .xxx domain names, or .io...
Thanks, -- Brett Parker
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Mythic beasts are really good, I’ve been using them in some capacity for about 8 years without any issue.
On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 at 15:20, Brett Parker <iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk> wrote:
.com, however, there'll be differences on depending on which particular registrar they're using and the quantity of domains registered via them - there's a discount scheme etc. Mythic use OpenSRS for .com registrations, and the pricing matches to covering our costs.
I figured it was something like that. Although I'm surprised that someone like Gandi isn't in the cheaper tier as I think they're pretty high volume. Part of my thought process was that if different .com registrars charge the companies I might deal with different prices, it might also indicate reliability or some other useful metric - if OpenSRS is more expensive but better in some respect than one of the others then that's a value add. (I think that I personally have about 30 domains of which only one is .com, and 123-Reg is expensive across the board these where it used to be one of the cheapest, so any move is a good one on a price basis, and as far as reliability goes 123-reg is hardly to be recommended these days.) I think that Mythic would be my preferred option were it not for the email forwarding costs, but looking through my domain "portfolio" that aspect is prohibitive for me - turns out I'm using it more than I realised - so Gandi is looking favourite.
Also, all types of domain are not the same price. See, for instance, the pricing for .xxx domain names, or .io...
Indeed, I'd certainly only compare like with like. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
Mark Rogers wrote:
Interesting, thanks. I originally chose 123-Reg because they didn't have that sort of nonsense but it looks like I need to investigate. I can't see anything from a quick Google.
This was definitely the case, see e.g. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/03/123reg_shrugs_at_complaints_over_su... However, I found newer forum posts by people confirming that they were able to change the IPS tag without having to pay. So it's entirely possible that 123-reg scrapped the hidden fees in the mean time. Thomas
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 16:18, Thomas Pircher <thp+alug@p5r.uk> wrote:
This was definitely the case, see e.g. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/03/123reg_shrugs_at_complaints_over_su...
However, I found newer forum posts by people confirming that they were able to change the IPS tag without having to pay. So it's entirely possible that 123-reg scrapped the hidden fees in the mean time.
Odd that I wasn't aware, but then it's 4 years ago so maybe I was at the time. Just one of many reasons to be moving away, though. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER
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