October 2001 - main

Re: =20 and your post to main digest, Vol 1 #56
by John Seago 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Syd, At last something positive, you say you can't see the =20's at the ends of the lines on your posts to the list but on the abovementioned list every line end, except the header and the first line of my message which you quote, the last line of your last paragraph, and the line "Best wishes" ends on my screen with =20. Can I assume therefore that what I am seeing, differs from that seen by others? Even more specifically can you see =20 on my posts but not on yours? (I was happier when it wasn't just me). Further are others seeing =20 on my posts, your posts, on both, or neither? Every time I start to see the very dim outline of a basic concept through the dense mist of ignorance, I get kicked back further than when I started. At least back in April I didn't know how much I didn't know (ignorance is bliss, it also gives one the confidence to plunge in regardless). This raises several issues for me: 1. Am I trying hard enough on my own? [Every thing I start to learn turns out to be interdependent on everything else I don't know, (as far as I know, if you leave a socket turned on the electricity leaks out into a puddle on the floor).] 2. should this be on main or social? 3. At what point does everyone else's patience with me run out. 4. Starting at age 53, have I got long enough left to catch up, especially when everything seems to advance quicker than I am learning? All comments will be welcomed. John seago

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Re: [Alug] Re: =20 and your post to main digest, Vol 1 #56
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

John Seago <john.seago(a)nutshell.net> writes: > Syd, Point of general order... don't address list posts to a particular person if you can avoid it... > Even more specifically can you see =20 on my posts but not on yours? > (I was happier when it wasn't just me). Further are others seeing =20 > on my posts, your posts, on both, or neither? Neither, but then I'm not reading the digest version. You might have more luck if you switch your digest to use MIME format instead of "plain". You can do this by visiting the list web page and editing your options. > 1. Am I trying hard enough on my own? Yes, but it seems that a key piece of information (that you read the digest version) has been missing until now. > 2. should this be on main or social? Yes ;-) > 3. At what point does everyone else's patience with me run out. Somewhere around Gedney. > 4. Starting at age 53, have I got long enough left to catch up, > especially when everything seems to advance quicker than I am > learning? Dunno. I feel that I'm struggling at just under half that :-/ I think the key is to specialise, which is something that I'm failing spectacularly to do right now. > All comments will be welcomed. Moo? -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [Alug] =20
by MJ Ray 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Syd Hancock <syd2(a)toufol.com> writes: > Full marks for your stubborn attitude to the problems with BT but > my approach has been to vote with my wallet. [...] For most East Anglians, however you do it, BT get your money :-( All you can do is minimise how much they get. -- MJR

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APM
by Willaby 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Hello, Trying to get APM working on my notebook, in the kernelconfig->general setup I said yes to 'Power Managment Support' && 'APM Bios Support as module' 'IGNORE..' as no, and yes to the next 5. Now, 'modprobe -v apm' results in: 'Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.1...../apm.o will taint the kernel: no license' Does anybody know what this means? Thanks, Andrew.

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Problems with Grip and DVD drives
by Adam Bower 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Lo all, I just puchased myself a DVD-Rom drive and a CD-RW drive to replace the broken CD-Rom drive in my main machine. Interestingly I now have a problem with ripping CDs. I can now use Grip (a very cool program that will rip your CD and encode it into mp3 or Ogg Vorbis and sort out making playlists and putting the files in the correct places for you) to rip CDs from the CD-RW drive but it just segfaults if I try and use the DVD-Rom?! The program loads and recognises the Cd and does the CDDB lookup and as soon as I tell it to rip+encode it segfaults. The DVD-Rom is sitting on hdc and it is a Sony DDU1621, and the CD-RW is a Freecom 32r 12r 10rw burnproof thing. I think I am going to check that my kernel is sane later today and that all the Bios settings for the ide bits are correct. Does anyone have any ideas as to what is up? Adam -- Adam

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Re: [Alug] Re: =20 and now 3D as well
by MJ Ray 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

John Seago <john.seago(a)nutshell.net> writes: > What should have been obvious to me in the first place, has just struck me, > it may not be that the =20 is appearing in what is sent but only in what is > being received by me, at least Syd doesn't seem to think he is sending them > on his system. As we are both using Mandrake 8, does this seem likely? It's quite possible, but I get your emails as quoted-printable (ie with =20 and friends) too, while I get Andrew's emails (for example) via BTi as plain text. Equally, emails from KMail users come through fine as plain text, including Syd's. Therefore, I suspect it's your mail server settings that are causing this, as I've not been able to verify them from the list. > I'm still battling with BT (full story on request), and beginning to think > that I've backed yet another lost cause, would I be better off just walking, > (in my case wheeling), away or carrying on the fight? (rhetorical question) The above notwithstanding: BT ARE TOTAL CRAP. Sorry to the BT contingent on the list, but it has to be said. They are a load of total shysters, doing all sorts of monopolistic anti-competitive activities and cross-selling, while the spineless regulator is too thick to stop them. I'm not saying it's really BT's fault, as most corporations would probably do the same in their position. The sooner they are broken up or closed down and replaced by either a public utility with private service companies or a truly free market, the better it will be for everyone. -- MJR

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[Mark Lewis <mark@tuxbox.net>] [lugmaster] free suse 7.1 professional
by MJ Ray 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:55:46 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Lewis <mark(a)tuxbox.net> Subject: [lugmaster] free suse 7.1 professional all, xinit systems have donated 10 boxes of suse 7.1 professional for use by uk lugs. yes.... "donated" means free! :-) i have the boxes here and i have put a link to them on my www.linuxshop.co.uk site. i have been to the post office today and it's going to cost me £10.00 to package and post them, including credit card admin fees. thus, if you or any member of your lug wants a copy (one per person) please visit www.lug.org.uk first come first serve! cheers, mark -- Jolt Cola & Penguin Caffeine Mints now available in the Linux Shop -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mark Lewis Email : mark(a)tuxbox.net - Linux Jobs - http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk Tel : 07050 366345 - Linux Shop - http://www.linux-shop.co.uk Fax : 07050 366346 - Linux Portal - http://www.linux-portal.co.uk -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Email : mark(a)lug.org.uk - Linux Users - http://www.lug.org.uk -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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=20
by John Seago 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

I must apologise for this mornings message. I wrote it just after the pain killers were kicking in, and as a consequence it seems a little incoherent, let me clarify. Like Syd I have noticed =20 at the ends of the lines, ( or where the line ends were when I wrote the message). This only seems to occur on the list, (unless those I have emailed individually know otherwise). Messages between myself and Syd don't show the =20, at least at my end. It appears to me therefore, as the problem comes and goes, irrespective of my settings, that the =20 appears somewhere between Syd and I, as senders, and the list itself. I am sending through the 01986 (Bungay?) exchange, which in one of the exchanges between myself and BT over the quality of their service, they told me had yet to be updated. I am of the opinion that it is somewhere along the route that the =20 appears on the final display of the message. My battle with BT Anytime is another matter, and I apologise for letting it get into my last message. -- John Seago "Change is NOT a synonym for Progress"

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Re: [Alug] Linux and USB?
by Edenyard 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Thanks for your response, Adam. > OK it seems as though there is a problem with some of the modules > somewhere. what is the output of the command dmesg when you plug the > camera into the machine? as that would be the first thing to check that > USB is working and the camera is recognised, the next step would be to > check that the SCSI emulation is working. > Here's the relevant part of dmesg: ================== Linux version 2.4.2-2 (root(a)porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-79)) #1 Sun Apr 8 19:37:14 EDT 2001 [snip] usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.251 $ time 19:51:15 Apr 8 2001 usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x5400, IRQ 11 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected [snip] SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage USB Mass Storage support registered. hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 2 scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices scsi: unknown type 2 Vendor: Model: Rev: Type: Printer ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 2 resize_dma_pool: unknown device type 2 WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured USB Mass Storage device found at 2 ================== ...and here's the output of lsmod: ================== Module Size Used by vfat 9168 0 (autoclean) usb-storage 31632 0 sd_mod 11856 0 (unused) sg 26592 0 (unused) scsi_mod 94336 3 [usb-storage sd_mod sg] parport_pc 17808 1 (autoclean) lp 5264 0 (autoclean) parport 25856 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] autofs 11136 1 (autoclean) ipchains 38944 0 (unused) nls_iso8859-1 2880 1 (autoclean) nls_cp437 4384 1 (autoclean) msdos 5392 1 (autoclean) fat 32832 0 (autoclean) [vfat msdos] usb-uhci 20848 0 (unused) usbcore 49632 1 [usb-storage usb-uhci] ================== ...and when I type 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/camera', this is the message I get: mount: /dev/sda: unknown device I've tried substituting /dev/sda1 for /dev/sda but it makes no difference. Any ideas, please???? Is the order of loading modules important? And is there any utility or command that will list what SCSI devices are actually available for 'mount'? Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Linux and USB?
by Edenyard 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:19:20 +0100, Jonathan McDowell wrote: > When you say "SCSI support is already loaded", what exactly do you mean? > SCSI support including SCSI disc support, or just SCSI support? > (sd_mod IIRC if it's a module) > It looks like it isn't even being presented as sda. > According to lsmod, I have these SCSI modules loaded: sd_mod 11856 0 (unused) sg 26592 0 (unused) scsi_mod 94336 3 [usb-storage sd_mod sg] Is that correct, or should I have something else SCSI-wise? Gerald.

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