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Re: Meeting of 4th November
by John Seago 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Is there a map for this meeting on Sunday, or any dircetions? Or any further details please? John

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Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:45:29 +0100, MJR wrote: > Anyone here with a kernel 2.4 Debian installation CD? I'm sure such things > exist, but I don't have one. > I've looked in all the usual places, but they all seem to say 2.2.xx for Debian. That's the frustrating thing: one hears how good Debian is, but can't try it! I wondered whether it's possible to take a distribution (e.g., Debian) and install it with another kernel?? I don't know enough about how all the different bits of Linux fit together to know whether this is a sensible suggestion. Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Debian problems
by MJ Ray 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

> Just upgraded to Debian unstable (good idea?). Everything appears ok, apart > from my X configuration is lost. X no longer starts during bootup, and the > progs xf86config and XF86Setup are not available. Also startx and X are > unrecognised commands. Congratulations! You're now the proud owner of an X4-based system. You may need to make sure that you have the right packages installed (try "aptitude" if you have it installed... I'm not sure if it's the right tool for unstable now, though). -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Meeting.. problem..
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Simon Parkes wrote: >But I have a cunning plan, we can use the Cinema at my parent place in >Cheveley (5 mins down the road), all organised if everyone is ok with >that... Bonus, in true Linux tradition, it's free (and there's a sauna and >pool available if anyone wants to refresh themselves)... Anyway over to you >guys. Sounds good. When can we start squabbling about what film to watch? If I bring my box will there be anyone that can look at php for me? And could any kind soul supply a BNC adaptor? Jenny.

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Debian, Slackware, hardware, BIOS and perplexity
by John Seago 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

As Gerald wrote in his recent post to this list, he installed Slackware, using disks borrowed from me; so I know that the disks work. I however, despite trying since Gerald sent them back, get can neither Debian 2.2 r3, or Slackware 8 to install, the problem comes when, with Slackware I reach the point where the install starts, either the CD is not being read, or it is not writing to the hard disk; and with Debian having installed the base system, when I try to install the rest of the system, again my machine will try in vain to find the CD/CD drive. I did try the Slackware experimental kernel for those having difficulty with hardware recognition, this succeeded in wiping my entire linux disk, together with my Mandrake system and its diary/calendar and address books; (why is it that the loss of one's address books causes so much distress?). Having had problems with installing Mandrake 8 my hardware was re-arranged to make the CD drive the primary slave. I thought at first that this is what had caused the problem. On sunday Chris and I tried again to install Debian and Slackware on his PC, my PC and his laptop. Slackware had the same failure on all three, Debian had the same failure on both PC's but went into his laptop. We then tried altering the hardware configuration and the BIOS (just about every permutation we could work out, over several hours), again no success. I am only left with the experimental altering of the BIOS to mirror the settings of Chris's Laptop, to try to get Debian into my PC. However that doesn't seem to get me very far with Slackware, any suggestions will be very welcome. John

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by MJ Ray 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Adam: > Anyhow I will change my blocks output from Slashdot (or whatever team I am > on) to Alug when (as Willaby pointed out) we know where the money goes! I thought I said: I think Paul Russell is the team "leader" -- he's still in Norwich, although doesn't seem to be on this list at the moment, but he recently moved, so that may be why. I'll ask him to update his details as soon as I find where his email address went (or someone else who knows reminds me!). MJR

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by KEV＠hartmann.dk 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Adam Bower <abower@thebow To: Ricardo Campos ery.co.uk> <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> cc: <KEV(a)hartmann.dk>, 25/10/01 15:18 <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy / I did try Mandrake briefly in the past but I had a completely broken release (6.1?) which I had paid about 30quid for, I purchased it because it was supposed to be good for people new to linux but I found it was a complete waste of time/money/effort. I have found that Mandrake is easily the most buggy of distros which is why I couldn't reccommend it to newbies. It might be going in the correct direction for getting newbies involved but every single release seems to have some fairly bad bugs which trip up people who are new to the OS. / I have to agree with you, I have now seriously tried Suse 6.4 and MDK 8.0 and while Mandrake appears to do a slicker job, anyone struggling with the learning curve (like me) doesn't need to be dumped with inexplicable bugs. My next step is Suse 7.2 by the way. / > At the moment in other browser windows, I am looking at Slackware and Debian on Cheeplinux.com . If you want something done properly, do it yourself. (stop sniggering you lot- at least I'll LEARN how to do it properly) Either would be a good choice, SuSE is also quite good but can be a bit weird in its mentality (well yasts mentallity anyway). I would say go for Debian but then I am completely biased and a deb head so I would say that :-) / I already have the disks for Deb (potato)but I haven't psyched myself up for that one yet. I need a confidence gain first. When I'm ready I'll lug (pun, sorry) my kit down to a meeting and hopefully see how it should be done. Anyway, that's the future. / > >(you're right, I don't have any patience) > > My reasoning for Deb or Slackware is that the more you're hand is held along the way, the less able you are to fix it when it goes wrong. Very true, what I find alarming about Mandrake is it seems to be going the way of Windows, it seems to make broad generalisations that work for 50% of the people but cause the other 50% to have some kind non-specific sporadic software failure with it with no clues as to the cause of the problem. / Once again I agree, when I'm ready and feeling brave I'll step up to a 'real' distro and take the pain. / > >(read- I'm afraid of making myself > > look a pratt!)!!!!!!!!!!! :<)) > > I already have! :) But then I have no shame, and besides, that's the only way I learn. It makes the experts look good too! ;) Luckily there have been some people on-list who have given me some excellent pointers- not just RTFM, but "this is how to find the manual, and this is how to read it". So... thanks y'all for your patience!!! No-one on this list should ever feel a pratt or be afraid of asking questions, dumb questions are welcomed and encouraged and if anyone flames a newbie on here for asking a silly question they will be pounced on by me and feel the wrath of my Lart stick. / OK Adam, I've got to ask, what's a Lart stick? a google search only slightly informative ;<) Thanks for the reassurances by the way, I'm sure all us 'newbies' feel a little safer in our nests. Cheers Kev

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by MJ Ray 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

> So Slack+ICEWM gets my vote (speaking as a beginner, remember). Yes, IceWM and XFCE are probably the two worth considering right now, if you don't want the full desktop of KDE or Gnome. > worrying about that, but at least I've got a Linux that works, enables > me to run Netscape, Acrobat, Xv and things and start the learning process. Mozilla or derivative, XPDF or GV, Imagemagick or zgv... support freedom ;-) > Oh, yes - and ALWAYS have MC installed. Darned useful for poking > about to see how Linux works. Isn't MC a bit long in the tooth and abandoned now? (Replacements... hrm, I can only think of GIT.) MJR

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by MJ Ray 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Simon Jude: > I know you are all going to hate me for saying this but does it run on > other OS's?! ;-) I would like to run it at uni here instead of seti until > the www.climateprediction.com project starts Is UEA involved in that one? Maybe ALUG should support it, if we can? MJR

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