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RE: [Alug] Dates
by Earl Brannigan 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hi Dave, > > Jo, Jen, Mark, BJ, Earl, Neill, adam, fozzy > > what sundays in august can all 8 of you make? I shall be doing the holiday thing in Aug at some point, after the 11th is all I can say for now. So soz but can only guarantee pre that date. > [LUGITES] Fantastic term Earl. Yeah... sounds a bit like LUDDITES which to the windows *only* idiots (no other term comes close) out there is probably what we are. Hear this often enough : "But its all command line stuff isn't it?" Sorry... man -k is a bit tooooooo much for some people. I love this article : http://web.meganet.net/yeti/PCarticle.html > I am trying to get martlesham scout hut for a sunday in august. once we > conclude the meet there is a nice big green with a pub so I was going > to suggest we get a couple of disposable BBQ's and have a nice social. > We could even move the meet to say 1-5 so we get some more time. > > Also the scout hut will cost to hire, so as well as a small > contribution from people coming I will raffle off a T-shirt and book > from O'reilly. Whatever... I'm happy to pay a sub anyway. > Also I was thinkning of inviting Lonix as our guests? Be good to have another LUG as guests. Just as long as no-one asks me to follow a stuffed/inflatable Tux singing anything! Then again... Cheers Earl

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Re: [Alug] amigo
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Well spotted that man!!! Yeah, it does appear to be a theme throughout the "IT Industry" methinks. I don't think I've ever met any IT bods that have a quite time at work... okay except Neill!!! *duck* Yeah, all the shelving I've bought is full to the brim now. Time for a bigger house. But Tux has a reserved place on top of my monitor - it's nice and warm there! No, no, you've got it wrong, it's like this now: <aoltimewarner>me too</aoltimewarner> *grin* Bing David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 09/07/2001 05:24:36 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo --- Andrew Chandler <Andrew.Chandler(a)ft.com> wrote: > Indeed... his other books are in my queue of books to read... > ..unfortunately, I don't think I'll have time to read any books until > next > century at this rate!! Too much todo and not enough hours in the > week!!! > Maybe I need a quieter job!! Does anyone spot a recurring theme on this list, everyone has things they want to do but are busy doing stuff they don't want to do? > ...I'm running out of shelf space too with all these books. <aol> me too</aol> I built a new set of shelves and how they are full, even Tux is finding it difficult getting a decent seat on the shelf. Thanks D > oh well!! > > Bing > ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Knitted tux
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

David Freeman wrote: >that ad getting a tux! I'm going to look out a knitting pattern and knit one! It sounds as though they bring an immense amount of joy and delight. Sian Banana did make me a little fimo-modelling clay one to sit on my box at home, as well. I could do a spare for the raffle. (In all the spare time I have in common with all the other folks on this list!)

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Re: [Alug] Dates
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

David Freeman wrote: > > Jo, Jen, Mark, BJ, Earl, Neill, adam, fozzy > > what sundays in august can all 8 of you make? Jo: The 12th or 26th are probably best for me, so far. Assuming I can get Alan to drive us over.... Where is Martlesham anyway? Jen: 5th, 12th, 19th Just consulted an atlas - martlesham is just the other side of ipswich from Cambridge.

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Re: [Alug] Dates
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Just near Ipswich. BT Labs are there on Adastral Park amongst other companies: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=624500&Y=245500&A=Y&Z=5 Bing jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk on 09/07/2001 13:38:52 To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] Dates David Freeman wrote: > > Jo, Jen, Mark, BJ, Earl, Neill, adam, fozzy > > what sundays in august can all 8 of you make? The 12th or 26th are probably best for me, so far. Assuming I can get Alan to drive us over.... Where is Martlesham anyway? Jo ps Linux expo - was it just us or were you lot disappointed in it this year also? Seemed to be much smaller.... -- <>-- jo mitchell --------icq#104771112 ----------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://futurshox.net Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>-----------------------------------------------<> _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] amigo
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Indeed... his other books are in my queue of books to read... ..unfortunately, I don't think I'll have time to read any books until next century at this rate!! Too much todo and not enough hours in the week!!! Maybe I need a quieter job!! ...I'm running out of shelf space too with all these books. oh well!! Bing David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 09/07/2001 04:56:03 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo --- Andrew Chandler <Andrew.Chandler(a)ft.com> wrote: > /me eventually catches up with my backlog of email :-) > > Do I get a bonus point for being an ex-Amiga user and have read Neal > Stephenson > book??? > > Yes, ITBWTCL is a good book.... lots of strange comparisons between > Disney > World and > the Serengetti!!! Now read cryptonomicon and the big U, then get back to us on crotabotaslavia! Also Zodiac, snow crash and diamond age are worth a read. Thanks D > Bing > > > > > > > > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 08/07/2001 03:24:15 > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) > > Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo > > > In the beginning was the command line per chance? > > Very good book. > > Thanks > > D > --- Jenny Hopkins <jenbass(a)horace88.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Neil Sedger wrote: > > >'CLI' eh? > > >I spot an ex-Amiga user :-) > > Sorry to disappoint you! No, a neal Stephenson reader! > > Jen > > > ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] amigo
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

/me eventually catches up with my backlog of email :-) Do I get a bonus point for being an ex-Amiga user and have read Neal Stephenson book??? Yes, ITBWTCL is a good book.... lots of strange comparisons between Disney World and the Serengetti!!! Bing David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 08/07/2001 03:24:15 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo In the beginning was the command line per chance? Very good book. Thanks D --- Jenny Hopkins <jenbass(a)horace88.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Neil Sedger wrote: > >'CLI' eh? > >I spot an ex-Amiga user :-) > Sorry to disappoint you! No, a neal Stephenson reader! > Jen > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Help with Mulinux please
by MJ Ray 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Ruleng(a)aol.com writes: > Hello Steve and others, First I must say that there appears to have > developed some peripheral discussion, under the heading of my > original request for help, that I do not understand, and so I cannot > respond to. Yeah, that often happens. Tangents are the order of the day here sometimes. > > I forgot to mention in my original note that I have 16Mb RAM. Right. There's probably nothing to stop you installing a minimal debian or slackware setup on that machine, as long as you can allocate some hard disk for it. If you're happy to play with mulinux, that's fine too, but be aware that a fuller set-up is possible. You can probably even get X up with a bit of tweaking and optimising, but don't expect Mozilla to run without lots of swapping. "Small distributions" are normally small in the loading setup really. The thing that will cause the most problems is the lack of CD-ROM, but you can net install Debian (I'm sure we'll have a debian mirror on the LAN at a future meet) or Slackware still supports putting the base system on from floppies, I believe. Really, those two are about as alike as chalk and cheese, but either would be an easier system to play with instead of trying to shoe-horn things onto floppies. Perhaps Peanut Linux or something that can live in a UMSDOS partition would be good, instead. I'll let others with more recent experience comment on that. > It worked well on relatively small files, but when I tried to apply > it to the KIng James Bible I ran out of memory. I wondered if an OS > that provided multi-threading would solve the problem. Does it? And > so I began to look at Unix/Linux. Aha... it's more likely to be that the version of the scripting language it was using wasn't compiled to use extended memory on DOS. I often (well, last time I was working on a project where others used *that* OS) sent out perl scripts with a perl4 interpreter, as it all fits on a floppy and is fine for doing certain tasks. You have to make sure that you watch the memory usage, though. Good programming required. -- MJR

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net http://www.epicsol.org/ (for Brett!) Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Next Meet :
by Earl Brannigan 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hi all, well apart from the fact that the next meet date is yet to be arranged I thought I'd get into this with a public apolology. Sorry to everyone who wanted a security thingy for the last meet, I had a little family prob come up which took me to the Midlands on that day. No time (or memory) to notify you all. Anyways : > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote : > Yes Mr newman, I wanted to chat to you about the wearables, I here you > did some demos for Lonix of your wearables stuff, which means you are > pencilled in for the next meet to do a wearables demo. Also While on > the subject, Earl your doing a security demo. Out of interest for input > devices what is there for a wearable? I quite like my split keyboard, > could I some how still use a qwerty keyboard with a wearable? > Looks like Dave is grabbing the bull by the horns here and kicking us LUGGITES into line. So OK. Act of God permitting I will do an overview/demo at the next meet. This will be the format (assuming no-one else wants to get involved and up things a little) 1)TCP/IP as an inherently insecure protocol. 2)DOS : Why RFC compliant TCP/IP implementations leave your machine open to Denial Of Service. This will be the standard DOS, hopefully with a demo. Though I will nedd to run an older implementation of Linux to show this so unless I can get it right (or eeeeeeeek! use a windoze box) then it will have to be theory only. 3)Buffer Overflows : a)If its binary you can send it and get the remote machine to execute it. Demo1-Local : A simple bufer overflow program which yields a shell. Demo2-Remote : wu_ftp : A classic buffer overflow yielding a root shell. 4)Once compromised its easy to get back in : Standard things that are done to make sure you can get back in (Backdoors) Someone or other may wish to have 2 penneth, esp. if you have any info on current backdoors, other B.O.s (I'm currently looking at Adore) I would be glad to share the load. I will not be touching on firewalling/NIDS either, I'm sure there are other ALUGites who could do this better. Feedback, thoughts, comments, suggestions, offers of cash or other involvement..... you have my email address. Cheers Earl

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