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Re: [Alug] Web of mail
by MJ Ray 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

"D" <dsc(a)clara.net> writes: > PHP/MySQL one of the best combinations for any website! PHP is bad because... * Encourages mixing of code, layout and content * It has an object system but no-one uses it * It has all the security problems given in the "study in scarlet" doc MySQL is bad because... * It encourages use of lots of non-standard SQL extensions * It doesn't crash neatly (full disks are sometimes fun) * Its performance for non-trivial operations is often suboptimal Why do I fell like dropping chaff now?

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Re: [Alug] Document Formats
by MJ Ray 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > I have just tried to download a document from the web site of my local > MEP only to find its in bloody MS Word Format! Antiword, Abiword, even StarOffice/OpenOffice. It can be very entertaining to run strings over it and see what they didn't mean to publish, though ;-)

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Re: [Alug] test message
by MJ Ray 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

Andrew John Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Actually, I've just switched to Evolution, as I was getting fed up with > mutt's misbehaviour. I have to say, I'd thoroughly recommend it to > anyone looking for a decent GUI Outlook-style mail client. Aside from a > few annoying crashes (hey, it *is* beta), it's a very nice package. > > I particularly like the absurdly easy to configure mail filtering. > Goodbye procmail, you won't be missed! Well, while people are recommending stupid email clients, I'll just mention that Gnus does everything you could ever possibly wish for in a mail client, including indexed mail spools (for fast searching, no database server required), write-and-forget automatic mail filtering (such silliness as auto-creation of new folders is possible), adaptive scoring (watches what you read and scores up and down as needed) and of course off-line newsgroup reading from multiple servers. The price for this power is a bit of extra effort to set the damn thing up. If you know (X)Emacs already, it will help. As with all mail clients though, back up your mail before trying it ;-)

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Re: [Alug] IRC Nick names
by MJ Ray 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > I would just like to remind members that it is incredibly rude to take > the Nick of another Member. I cannot emphasis enough how offensive this > and if it is done again action will be taken. Nicknames are not owned, although nickserv thinks differently to me on that one and will win in a fair fight.

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Re: [Alug] Code Red worm is unreliable because...
by MJ Ray 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

Since modularisation of apache, it looks like all but one of those alerts are in extension modules. Interesting :-)

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Re: [Alug] Grub Glorious Grub!
by David Freeman 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:43:20 +0100 Steve Fosdick wrote: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 12:27:19AM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > > > What I meant to actually say in simple english was that I believe > > the MBR only stores the current active partition and looks there for > > the boot record instruction bit. > > Perhaps it would help to understand more of the boot process, so here > it as to the best of my knowledge. > <snip discription of how linux boots> I have just worked out who borrowed the understanding the Linux Kernel book at the last meet :o) Steve, will you be at the next meet? Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds

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Next Meeting
by David Freeman 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

Ok I have finally written a web page for the next meet, complete with MAPs! http://freemadi.alug.org.uk/alug/martlemeet.html or http://www.alug.org.uk/freemadi/alug/martlemeet.html ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds

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Web of mail
by David Freeman 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

Two things: 1) I have moved my mail from david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com to david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk so please update your address books 2) At the moment my web page is generated through make and a lot of abuse of GCC's C preprocessor using #define and some other weird and wonderful features for which it was never designed. However this is not the best way of doing it, can anyone recommend a better dynamic method of generating web pages for upload, PHP has appeal but looks very OTT to me. Anyone suggesting M4 will be forced to buy me a drink and then be shot! Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds

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Document Formats
by David Freeman 05 Aug '01

05 Aug '01

Time for my weekly rant! <rant> I have just tried to download a document from the web site of my local MEP only to find its in bloody MS Word Format! Now this is a theme I am seeing recuring across the web, people feeling that it is perfectly acceptable to publish things in the appalling format that is MS word documents! I have just emailed the web master of the site to request they stop doing it but think its pissing in the wind. This means more and more people will find it acceptable. Even tho Post script and PDF are perfectly acceptable and free formats with freely available readers which don't rely on the monopoly. next step is to request your.page.is.using.a.non.free.format.for.publishing.documents.this.is.restrictive.please.stop.it and see what they do! Ok rant over </rant> Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds

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Re: [Alug] Web of mail
by David Freeman 04 Aug '01

04 Aug '01

On Sat, 04 Aug 2001 01:43:21 +0100 (BST) oms101(a)freeuk.com wrote: > > On 03-Aug-01 David Freeman wrote: > > Two things: > > > > 1) I have moved my mail from david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com to > > david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk so please update your address books > > > > 2) At the moment my web page is generated through make and a lot of > abuse > > of GCC's C preprocessor using #define and some other weird and wonderful > > features for which it was never designed. However this is not the best > > way of doing it, can anyone recommend a better dynamic method of > > generating web pages for upload, PHP has appeal but looks very OTT > to me. > > Anyone suggesting M4 will be forced to buy me a drink and then be shot! > > > > Thanks > > > > D > > M4 is evil to my mind also, I remember the faces at the end of a > manlug talk on > sendmail's config when I asked would people use M4 for their projects. M4 is a horrid, I think the C preprocessor does it all much better. > Anyway whats your web address wo we can all have a look. Its http://freemadi.alug.org.uk/ its still very very very much under development. I don't think there are any spelling mistakes but In think I need to check the links again. Also the HTML needs tiding up and I will eventually put CSS in. > My session management system has been delayed by me playing with > kylix, but it > is simple. PHP is nice and fast to develop I here but I have also > heard very > good things about perls template model for web page generation but perl's > not my cup of tea. I would be playing with AXkit if it was. (perls > templates > are not the same as c++ templates). I am warming to perl, I am starting to like it. Although it can be a very write only language. > Maybe you could give us a list of features you wish to support Basically I want a uniform look and feel which is wrapped round the content. I also want the menu on the left to vary depending on what page you are on i.e. on the diving page you see all the Diving pages options but not the computer ones, just the top levels. I also want something which generates validated html which I can then ftp up so it is static but I keep content from the look and feel. I also want to use CSS but haven't found a good intro to it yet. > Owen > > > Date: 04-Aug-01 Time: 01:36:48 Your clocks wrong, I make it Date: 04-Aug-01 Time: 18:48:42 Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds

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