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Re: [Alug] Strong case for text web browsers...
by tom potts 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Sorry to disabuse you: the presence of a tag mentioning creation by FrontPage in web page merely means that at some time someone has looked at the site with FrontPage - its a true M$ product and would claim responsibility for anything. I have inadvertently used it to move a couple of files in a web site (it re-points urls to the pages you move) only to discover that the 16000 pages in the site were all created by frontpage (and all about 5 times the size as well!) Praise them for aiming at Lynx - all we need to do know is teach people how to use HTML properly. Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble - A Step Forward
by MJ Ray 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

"Edenyard" <mail(a)edenyard.co.uk> writes: > So it seems as though there's an issue with kernel 2.2 and BOTH of my > IDE CD drives, whereas kernel 2.4 and 2.0 (Slack 3.5) apparently have > no trouble with those drives. Could this be the case? Indeed it could and from what you've said, it even seems quite likely. If you still want debian, I guess you'll need to get some woody disks. -- MJR Thesis watch: 30% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Unresolved symbols
by MJ Ray 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Paul <paul.corner(a)tesco.net> writes: > Question though - Is there an easy way of finding out what symbols are > causing the error messages reported by depmod ? I think there's a -v option to depmod which gets you the full list of symbols. However, the usual cause of such problems is because you installed two kernels with the same modules directory simultaneously. For this reason, when building my own kernel packages, I tend to add a suffix (EXTRAVERSION I think the Makefile directive is) to the version. Debian don't do that, so I avoid conflicting. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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MDK 8.0 probs
by Ricardo Campos 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Here's a little warning for anyone wishing to try Mandrake 8.0:- EVERY source I've compiled has failed. Sometimes rpms work, sometimes they don't (even though they are MDK rpm's). I thought I was just being inept(fairly likey really), but why EVERY source? I looked over various BBS's and realised that I was not the only one... a LOT of people were having this problem. Seems that MDK, in an effort to be cutting edge, has sacrificed reliability and used a less stable version of gcc. grrr. Ref for solution: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?topic=861&forum=5 Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble - A Step Forward
by Edenyard 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:16:02 +0100 (BST), Adam Bower wrote: >> hdc: WEARNES RUBY CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive > (....) > Is that there appears to be problems with Wearnes CD-Rom drives in Gateway > computers and they replaced the drives with Toshiba units as they did not > ship Wearnes due to multiple replacement issues. > Is your machine one made by Gateway by any chance? If not it may be that > the Wearnes drive is not very good or something related. > No - it has a label on the front saying 'Bull' - I was beginning to think that I couldn't agree more.... However, there's progress: I couldn't understand why neither the 2X Wearnes or the 12X Liteon would work with Debian, although they'd both previously installed Redhat 7 without any difficulty. Suddenly (I'm very slow at these things!) it came to me that Redhat uses kernel 2.4, but the troublesome Debian (and Slack with the 12X drive) both use kernel 2.2. I remembered having seen something on the Slackware 8 disks that suggested that the 2.4.5 kernel could be installed if needed. In sheer desperation, I tried making a 2.4.5 bare.i boot disk this morning. Amazingly, Slack 8 installed on the 12X CD drive without a murmur. I did it twice, just to make sure. So it seems as though there's an issue with kernel 2.2 and BOTH of my IDE CD drives, whereas kernel 2.4 and 2.0 (Slack 3.5) apparently have no trouble with those drives. Could this be the case? Anyway - one lives and learns. I wonder what my next hurdle will be.... Gerald.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Unresolved symbols
by Paul 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Hi Folks Just spent the last few days bludgeoning a kernel source in to submission. Finally got it working on a RH6.x system (the RH7.2 will be next). Just one small elephant in the ointment though - When I run depmod, I get a report of unresolved symbols in a handfull of modules, yet when installing them, not an error or warning in sight. The stress tests all run without hanging the system, so I assume there is no major problem with the modules. Question though - Is there an easy way of finding out what symbols are causing the error messages reported by depmod ? Once the errant symbols have been identified, I would hope to be able to fix them without too much trouble. Regards, Paul.

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how to resume dowloads?
by John Woodard 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

When I use that `other' os I have a small utility (Gozilla!) that resumes http downloads if I loose my connection. Is there some way of doing the same in Linux? I know that ftp clients do the same but if I download over http I'd quite like the same facility. Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:02:24 +0100, Steve Fosdick wrote: > Still I guess what we really need to know is what chipset the > IDE interface appears to be from a software point of view, so > we are looking for lines from the output of dmesg like the Below is the output of my dmesg. It doesn't actually report the chipset number, merely 'VP_IDE'. I understand the chipset to be a VIA 580 VPX. Is that a troublesome one? Gerald. ====== dmesg output: ================================================ Linux version 2.2.19 (root@bigkitty) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #22 Wed Jun 20 18:12:16 PDT 2001 (then, a few lines later) Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A pty: 512 Unix98 ptys configured Real Time Clock Driver v1.09 RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x6000-0x6007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x6008-0x600f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: ST33240A, ATA DISK drive hdc: WEARNES RUBY CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: ST33240A, 3077MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=781/128/63 hdc: ATAPI 2X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 (etc.) =====================================================================

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On 22 Sep 2001 09:09:43 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Might be something about the controller or drive that it doesn't like. > I see you have it on hdc (secondary master, usually). Have you tried > moving it to the same controller as the hard disk (hdb, primary > slave)? If it works then, it's probably that controller it doesn't > I've just tried that suggestion. I set the CD to slave and put it on the HD's ribbon cable. Unfortunately, it's not made any difference. I went into the BIOS setup and disabled the now unused secondary IDE controller, just in case that was responsible, but that had no effect either. Hmmm... Gerald.

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