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Re: [ALUG] Will Debian survive the rise of Linux?
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

On 11/17/2003, "Anthony Anson" <tony.anson(a)zetnet.co.uk> wrote: >The message <20031117133424.37BD31F8024(a)mail.ukpost.com> >from "Keith Watson" <kpwatson(a)ukfsn.org> contains these words: > >> MMmmm... Debian > >Have you got a recipe? > <http://www.debian.org/social_contract> :o) Keith

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SP - First Look: Next-Generation Debian Installer
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

<http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=inde…> Keith

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Will Debian survive the rise of Linux?
by Ben Francis 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

I stumbled across this[1] article on the linmagau (Linux Magazine, Australia?) web site. The article claims that "Early 2004 is going to be make-or-break time for Debian... and if If Debian is going to continue to grow and develop, we're going to have to work on more than just technical innovation: we need to work on usability and visibility." Although a little bit repetitive and perhaps overzealous, the author (who is a Debian devloper himself) seems, to me, to make some interesting points. However, I can imagine that many of the Debian users on this list would oppose his views with some hostility. Is Mr Oxer missing the point of the Debian GNU/Linux project altogether or does Debian really need to start appealing more to our well known friend Joe, the "mainstream user"? I'd be interested to hear some views on this. [1] http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=inde… -- Ben "tola" Francis

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Newsforg: Big boys team up to push Linux hard
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

<http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/14/1452201> <quote> Six giants of the industry are to form a group to commercially promote the Linux operating system, according to a report in today's Nihon Keizai Shimbun. The newspaper says that IBM, Hitachi, NEC, NTT, Fujitsu and Argo 21 will not only tweak the operating system and make other software applications, but _will promote the OS actively in Japan_ </quote> Anyone care to predict how long Canon will be able to keep their "Only Windows/Mac" policy in place? Keith :o)

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Announce digest, Vol 2 #24 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. [Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) (fwd) (MJ Ray) 2. LOCAL: ALUG/GNU/Linux meetings 18 & 23 Nov, 11 Dec (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:48:16 +0000 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce][Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-11-15 16:51:56 +0000 From: James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> Subject: [Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) New things on the FFII-UK website: Summary of the latest situation: http://www.ffii.org.uk/latest.html Extracts from the US Government FTC report, which is *devastating* about software patents. http://www.ffii.org.uk/ftc/ftc.html Much expanded commentary on important things in the Parliament amendments which the Commission want to chuck out again: http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html Side-by-side comparisons of the Parliament text and the Council draft text: http://www.ffii.org.uk/recitals.html http://www.ffii.org.uk/articles.html Reminder: The Coreper decision on how to proceed with the Directive is expected any day now. We really need to get the message over to MPs this weekend, if we are to stop a stitch-up on November 27. If you have already written to your MP, please write/fax again, thanking them for their previous prompt reply, and updating them about the situation. You may also like to tell them about the FTC report and send them some of the extracts. If you have not already written to your MP, we really need your help *this weekend*. See: http://www.ffii.org.uk/latest.html http://www.ffii.org.uk/council.html for the latest situation, and general advice on how to be most effective respectively. As usual, please copy letters sent to uk-parl-sent @ ffii.org.uk and MP replies to uk-parl-replies @ ffii.org.uk It's really helpful if you could put the MP name and consituency in the subject line, eg "Second letter to Sue Doughty MP (Guildford)". With the first wave of letters, we stopped the Council of Ministers meeting on November 10 from adopting their November 2002 draft unamended. But unless we can stop it with another, even bigger wave of letters, the Commission and the EU Presidency are pushing for the Ministers to adopt a rushed hack of a text at their next Competitiveness Council meeting on November 23. Every letter counts. Yours could be the one that tips the scales. All best, James Heald, FFII-UK. [Feel free to forward all or any part of this email to anywhere it could do some good. These four are the only groups it's been sent to, so it's up to you to propagate it from here]. _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:04:07 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: ALUG/GNU/Linux meetings 18 & 23 Nov, 11 Dec ALUG meets frequently around East Anglia to discuss and demonstrate GNU/Linux and other free software. The next meetings are: * [7]King's Lynn on Tue 18 Nov 2003 * [8]Syleham, mid-Suffolk on Sun 23 Nov * [9]Norwich on Thu 11 Dec * IRC each Monday from 8pm in irc.alug.org.uk #alug * Ely, date tbc If you are interested in coming along, look at the pages mentioned for details and send an email to our discussion list or the meeting organiser. We are also interested in hearing from people who can help make meetings happen again in the Ipswich and North Norfolk areas. Join the mailing list and start organising, or drop us an email privately if you'd rather. Discussion If you want to talk about this, please [13]use the mailing list. * Destinations 1. [15]Join ALUG 2. [16]FAQ 3. [17]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [18]Peterborough 2. [19]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [20]PHP4Hosting 2. [21]Black Cat Networks 3. [22]Martyn Drake 4. [23]Turo Technology LLP 5. [24]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [25]UK LUGs References 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting16.5.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting17.html 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting18.html 13. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 15. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 16. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 17. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 18. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 19. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 20. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 21. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 22. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 23. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 24. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 25. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: Subject: [ALUG] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Steve Fosdick 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

On 2003.11.16 22:06, Stuart Hammond wrote: > ... The ALUG group seems pretty enthusiastic about the subject, its > just a shame you don't have meetings where I can get to them (around > Ipswich would be good). We did have a meeting at Martlesham a while back which was very poorly attended, which is a pitty because I live in Felixstowe so Ipswich is a lot closer than Norwich. Still, I often make it to the meetings and if you want a lift to the meeting next Sunday just let me know. Steve.

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MegaTouch Maxx
by Matt Parker 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

I happened to see one of these machines (you must have seen them in various pubs etc) booting up the other day and saw the familiar black screen with scrolling white text and green [OK]s on the right :-) Matt

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Which printers? I won't buy Canon.
by MJ Ray 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

I was browsing around for a new printer for someone and found the following gem on Canon UK's support site: "Where can I find Linux or other OS drivers for my printer? Canon only develops drivers for Windows and Macintosh, not for Linux or other OS" Further, if you look for scanners: "The information for scanners is "classified" and will not be distributed, so there is no program for these products." As some of you may know, I have been the happy owner of Canon printers in the past (both with third-party drivers) but not any more. Time for them to wake up and support us. It took people a lot of hard work to support the 4-digit BJ series and there's little interest in Canon's current crop. What's the current best for supported colour inkjets? hp? My current printer is a Samsung that came with a penguin on the box and driver sources, by the way. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Syleham lifts from Norwich
by Syd Hancock 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

If anyone wants a lift to and from Sylehm from Norwich or anywhere reasonably in between, contact me off-list. Syd

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