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Re: [ALUG] Debian Install 4th Attempt
by John Seago 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

On Friday 18 June 2004, Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk> wrote: > giving it the name of debian.org sounds, erm, very wrong to me. Your > machine is *NOT* debian.org, don't tell it that it is... My home machine > was set up with hostname set to dustpuppy and domain to thehouse.home > (which does not exist :), it just worked. At a guess I'd say that you're > specifying some DNS servers that it can't access when not dialed up, you > should probably not set any DNS servers during the setup *except* from > in the ppp config, though I normally set that to automagic, which just > works :) I found it it was an example on page 48 of "learning Debian GNU/Linux. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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RE: [ALUG] Debian Install 7th attempt succeeded.
by Jenny Hopkins 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Seago [mailto:johnseago@two-ravens.org.uk] > > Open xterm, su to root, pppconfig. Done. simple. For network setup, > > edit /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces will give all the > > information required). > > There seems to be another problem there, trying su, in an > xterm gives the > answer authentication not recognised, perhaps I haven't > installed sudo? > What I have done is apt-get Midnight Commander, now I'm dealing with > something I'm used to and its beginning to look a more > realistic project. > John, "su" is short for "switch user". You can "su john" or "su jenny", for example. In the case of root, the "root" is not necessary, so "su" is the same as "su root". When switching between users you will be prompted for that user password, unless you are calling the command from root. If you are logged on to your Xwindow system as john and you open an xterm and type "su" you are effectively switching from user john to root - you should be asked for the root password here. Type it in, and if the $ sign at the prompt becomes a # sign, you are now root. The command "whoami" will also let you know which user you currently are. sudo is a program which will allow you to run certain commands as root without having to switch user - so if you install sudo and edit the config file to say that john can run such-and-such a program, you can do so as user john, by putting the command "sudo" before the main command. It can be dangerous to charge around your system as superuser :-))) so it is a useful little program to allow certain tasks as a mortal. Jen ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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Debian Install 7th attempt succeeded.
by John Seago 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Again I'm answering in the order that advice and help appered on the digest, thank you all for your patience with me during this ongoing saga. > You shouldn't do this I don't think. The slackware /etc/hosts has the > following comment:- > # By the way, Arnt Gulbrandsen <agulbra(a)nvg.unit.no> says that > 127.0.0.1 > # should NEVER be named with the name of the machine. It causes problems > # for some (stupid) programs, irc and reputedly talk. :^) > # > Probably not causing you a problem on a standalone system but worth > bearing in mind. If you want to put a host name in /etc/hosts then > give it a private IP address, e.g.:- > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 192.168.1.1 thomashobbes.enlightenment.net True, but it does work on Slackware, I then tried 192.168.0.1, then tried the next install. > giving it the name of debian.org sounds, erm, very wrong to me. Your > machine is *NOT* debian.org, don't tell it that it is... My home machine > was set up with hostname set to dustpuppy and domain to thehouse.home > (which does not exist :), it just worked. At a guess I'd say that you're > specifying some DNS servers that it can't access when not dialed up, you > should probably not set any DNS servers during the setup *except* from > in the ppp config, though I normally set that to automagic, which just > works :) Somewhere that day I'd read something along the lines of 'just add .org' to your host name, it did in any case dissappear with that specific install, its now back to thomas-hobbes. > Open xterm, su to root, pppconfig. Done. simple. For network setup, edit > /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces will give all the information > required). There seems to be another problem there, trying su, in an xterm gives the answer authentication not recognised, perhaps I haven't installed sudo? What I have done is apt-get Midnight Commander, now I'm dealing with something I'm used to and its beginning to look a more realistic project. Once again thank you all for you patience in dealing with my stream of questions, I have now joined the mailman.lug.org.uk Debian list so I can spread my bothering people between the two. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Debian Install 4th Attempt
by John Seago 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I retried this morning, gave it the name 'debian.org' when asked, used tasksel(?) to select Desktop, office and not much else that I can remember, used 'advanced' for the Xserver, and then as the dog had to go to the Vets and me to the Doctor later, Alison took me to the Post Office to collect my pension and when I came home there was a screen which I 'OK'd' and lo and behold everything works! What I didn't do was anything to do with my internet connection so the problems must be caused by my giving wrong answers to those. I know the number, user name, and password for my connection to my ISP so it must be the ISO code for UK/GB and the county number. Now I know its my fault I have another go at installing and write down the questions I can't answer or seem to be getting wrong and see if I can find the right answers, I will report my success of failure. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Introduction to ALUG
by R.F.Jarvis 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Hello, Since first registering on 6th June I have been reading the flow of e-mails in order to understand how ALUG operates. I am a bit confused over the two e-mail addresses function (main@... and main-admin@...) However, I am a self taught home computer owner that has never liked how Microsoft Windows works as an O.S or as a company. I knew of Linux for some time and several months ago obtained the system by accident being free with Linuxuser & developer (redhat 9 ) I successfully installed redhat 9 and have a dual boot system with Windows XP with no conflicts. It took some time to find a modum but succeeded after buying Red Hat Linux 9 for dummies and Red Hat Linux 9 Unleashed(a mighty tome). I don't know anyone who knows of linux and I have developed several problems that I cannot resolve, so need some information to enable me to rectify the problems. I have 5 grandchildren who use computers and wish to introduce them to linux O.S. Bob

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #185 - 12 msgs
by John Seago 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I have answered all these posts in order as they appeared on todays digest. Thank you all those who have offered help advice and suggestions. I think the basic problem may very be with the operator rather that the Soft or Hardware, I will however persevere! > Also what does your /etc/hosts look like? Are you missing localhost by > any chance? No it looked like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost I then added the line: 127.0.0.1 thomashobbes.enlightenment.net > Some of those log in things want the root password in the password box > before Reboot and Shutdown will work. Not sure which is needed. They wanted the root password but it didn't work even having been given it. > Which installer are you using? and where did it come from? just > asking as Sarge isn't stable yet and is still in development, so it could > be you have a broken or buggy installer. Browsing disk 1 shows the installer as /install/2.6, I bought them from Steve McIntyre I don't think its the disks, its me as this seems to be exactly the same problem I had with Woody, I tried Sarge as I didn't want to go back a graphics card to get it to work with that version of X but I have now reached the point where I'll try one more re-installation and then try Woody with the previous graphics card. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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smbfs problems
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

Hi there I'm trying to mount smb partitions, but cannot seems to modprobe smfs into the kernel. I get the following: modprobe smbfs /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol kunmap_high /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol highmem_start_page /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol kmap_high /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: insmod /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: insmod smbfs failed This is my config CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_UID16=y CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y CONFIG_MXP31=y CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y CONFIG_X86_XADD=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=6 CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_USE_3DNOW=y CONFIG_X86_PGE=y CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y CONFIG_X86_MCE=y CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y CONFIG_X86_PAE=y CONFIG_HIGHIO=y CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_PREEMPT=y CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_HAVE_DEC_LOCK=y CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_PCI=y CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y CONFIG_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_CARDBUS=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_APM=m CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_MTD=m CONFIG_PARPORT=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_CML1=m CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER=y CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_ISAPNP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096 CONFIG_BLK_STATS=y CONFIG_MD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=m CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m CONFIG_MD_RAID0=m CONFIG_MD_RAID1=m CONFIG_MD_RAID5=m CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y CONFIG_NET_IPIP=m CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=m CONFIG_IPV6=m CONFIG_KHTTPD=m CONFIG_IPV6_SCTP__=m CONFIG_ATM=m CONFIG_ATM_CLIP=m CONFIG_ATM_LANE=m CONFIG_ATM_MPOA=m CONFIG_ATM_BR2684=m CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q=m CONFIG_IPSEC=m CONFIG_IPSEC_IPIP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AH=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AUTH_HMAC_MD5=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AUTH_HMAC_SHA1=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ESP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ENC_3DES=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_AES=m CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_TWOFISH=m CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_SERPENT=m CONFIG_IPSEC_IPCOMP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_DEBUG=y CONFIG_IPSEC_NAT_TRAVERSAL=y CONFIG_PHONE=m CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ=m CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_GENERIC=y CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_WIP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y CONFIG_SD_EXTRA_DEVS=40 CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG_QUEUES=y CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX=y CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_DEFAULT_TAGS=4 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_MAX_TAGS=32 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_SYNC=20 CONFIG_I2O=m CONFIG_I2O_PCI=m CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK=m CONFIG_I2O_LAN=m CONFIG_I2O_SCSI=m CONFIG_I2O_PROC=m CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y CONFIG_DUMMY=m CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y CONFIG_NET_PCI=y CONFIG_EEPRO100=y CONFIG_PPP=m CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC=m CONFIG_PPP_SYNC_TTY=m CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE=m CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP=m CONFIG_PPPOE=m CONFIG_SLIP=m CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_PCNET=y CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA_RADIO=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_RAYCS=y CONFIG_IRDA=m CONFIG_IRLAN=m CONFIG_IRNET=m CONFIG_IRCOMM=m CONFIG_IRDA_ULTRA=y CONFIG_IRTTY_SIR=m CONFIG_IRPORT_SIR=m CONFIG_USB_IRDA=m CONFIG_NSC_FIR=m CONFIG_WINBOND_FIR=m CONFIG_TOSHIBA_OLD=m CONFIG_TOSHIBA_FIR=m CONFIG_SMC_IRCC_FIR=m CONFIG_ALI_FIR=m CONFIG_VLSI_FIR=m CONFIG_VIA_IRCC_FIR=m CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_X=1024 CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_Y=768 CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 CONFIG_MOUSE=y CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y CONFIG_AGP_I810=y CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD=y CONFIG_AGP_SIS=y CONFIG_AGP_ALI=y CONFIG_DRM=y CONFIG_DRM_NEW=y CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=y CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y CONFIG_DRM_I810=y CONFIG_DRM_I810_XFREE_41=y CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m CONFIG_VIDEO_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=y CONFIG_REISERFS_PROC_INFO=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m CONFIG_JBD=m CONFIG_FAT_FS=m CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=m CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m CONFIG_TMPFS=y CONFIG_RAMFS=y CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y CONFIG_JFS_FS=m CONFIG_JFS_STATISTICS=y CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG=m CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_XFS_FS=m CONFIG_NFS_FS=y CONFIG_NFSD=y CONFIG_SUNRPC=y CONFIG_LOCKD=y CONFIG_SMB_FS=m CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="cp437" CONFIG_SMB_UNIX=y CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="iso8859-1" CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE=m CONFIG_FB=y CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_FB_LOGO_TUX=y CONFIG_FB_VESA=y CONFIG_FB_VGA16=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB8=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB16=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB24=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB32=y CONFIG_FBCON_VGA_PLANES=y CONFIG_FONT_8x8=y CONFIG_FONT_8x16=y CONFIG_SOUND=y CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371=y CONFIG_USB=y CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=y CONFIG_USB_BLUETOOTH=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DATAFAB=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_FREECOM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_ISD200=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DPCM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_HP8200e=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR09=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR55=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_JUMPSHOT=y CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=0 CONFIG_ZLIB_INFLATE=m CONFIG_ZLIB_DEFLATE=m Any help really appretiated Cheers Charles

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Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

This time I gave it the name debian.test and got a different set of screens and questions and got further than before, the log-in screen did not appear and as it failed I was asked if I wanted to configure X myself. I've done this X Server before so I know I got it right, however if returned a fault telling me "host name lookup failed" and would not start the X server. I do not understand why a failure in networking, particularly as there is no network, is so important. However i got further this time, and its keeping me busy, the challenge continues onwards and upwards. (When I get this right I've got the CD's for the HURD somewhere, so I won't get bored). -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

I tried the Ctrl + Alt +F1 and that does work, so one symptom is down to not paying attention when Mark and Adam told me how to do it. I have set /etc/hosts to the same format as my Slackware partitions but still I can get to gdm, log in and then the system hangs at "initializing system services" and after a time goes back to grey with the cursor, although I did get the KDE start-up tones whilst altering /etc/hosts from root. I also re-checked and reset xf86config, although I have set it exactly the same as the same version of X which runs my Slackware the screen image is just a tad squashed. Note please do not assume that because I can work VI enough to rewrite /etc/hosts that I can do much else from the command line. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

On Wednesday 16 June 2004 15:32, you wrote: > John, > > Try logging in via one of the virtual terminal screens: ALT+F1. If that > works, This has been the problem, both with 'Woody and 'Sarge' will not respond to ALT+F1! > it proves that there's nothing wrong with the actual > installation, only with the configuration of the window system or the > particular window manager you're using. It looks to me suspiciously as > though it's your X server, though I guess you've realized that already. As far as the Xserver goes, on one of my attempts the installer set it up properly, and on one of the others I did, the login screen is perfect beautifully sharp, and KDE went so far as to give me the set-up wizard before the login box on initial start up. KDE gets as far as the second Icon, (28% in the progress bar), and then stops and goes back to the grey screen with the cursor, Gnome tells me that it could not look up the internet address of the name, and to add the name to /etc/hosts. The names, I left the first as debian, not knowing what was expected, the second I made debian.experiment, the third I used the series of english philosphers.enlightenment .net, in this case thomashobbes.enlightenment.net. wwwofle also shows as failing in the, scroll past at opening. As far as I and my son-in-law can diagnose, its down to ineptitude on my part, I just can't get the hostname, networking bit right and it wont start fully. > > HTH. (Hope that helps?) > On another matter, I see that there are members/a member in the Ipswich area seeking start meetings. The next nearest LUG South, is Southend-on-Sea, and to the west Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire. There must be more than just yourself in Colchester, and I can't believe there's no-one in Chelmsford. Then there's the rest of Essex and the whole of South-West Suffolk apparently a dessert for ALUG or any kind of LUG members. What's your assessment of the need/demand for LUG activities in that area, would it be worth a recruitment notice in uk.comp.os.linux? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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