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08 Jun '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. New Linux supplier to businesses based in the UK (John Hully) 2. Fwd: Association For Free Software (AFFS) becomes associate of the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) (MJ Ray) 3. alug, hello and install day (dave.griffiths) 4. Fw: Eurolinux UK patent consultation alert (Ricardo Campos) 5. Linux Install Day 2002 -- UEA, 9th June, 2pm (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: "John Hully" <john.hully(a)briggs-hully.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:01:34 +0100 Reply-To: "John Hully" <john.hully(a)briggs-hully.co.uk> Subject: [Alug Announce] New Linux supplier to businesses based in the UK Hello, I'm following the instructions on http://www.lug.org.uk/contacts.html to contact the UK LUG community in order to inform them that http://www.linuxforsale.com is opening for business, and will soon have an online store. The site is aimed at the business community primarily, but everyone is invited to visit. Regards, John --__--__-- Message: 2 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:03:34 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: Association For Free Software (AFFS) becomes associate of the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) Yay! Subject: Association For Free Software (AFFS) becomes associate of the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) From: "Georg C. F. Greve" <greve(a)fsfeurope.org> Reply-To: greve(a)fsfeurope.org Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:44:50 +0200 [for immediate release] London/Hamburg, May 22nd 2002 "Association For Free Software (AFFS) becomes associate of the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe)" The FSF Europe proudly announces that the UK based "Association For Free Software" (AFFS) is now an associate organisation of the "Free Software Foundation Europe" (FSF Europe). AFFS has joined with the FSF Europe to actively support its activities, to work for Free Software in Europe and to facilitate cooperation with organisations in other countries. The AFFS currently focuses on the preparation of PR material to inform the public and to lobby politicians in the UK. Part of this effort is drafting an introduction to Free Software for non-specialists and to prepare demo versions of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system for live demonstrations. Through various liaisons the AFFS is actively involved in bringing the benefits of Free Software especially to schools, other educational institutions, politicians and - of course - the public in the UK, to help create a critical mass of people using Free Software. Members of the AFFS also engage themselves in attending fairs, exhibitions and relevant public and non-public meetings of UK governmental institutions. The aim is to provide a recognised point of contact in the UK for information about Free Software. This is achieved by simultaneously establishing links with the press, MEPs, MPs and local politicians throughout the UK. "Although the AFFS is based in the UK, it fully recognises and appreciates that Free Software is a world wide effort to bring the benefits of the information age to everyone on this planet. This requires international cooperation and coordination. The association with the FSF Europe is probably the most important step yet for the AFFS to achieve this goal." said Dr. Marc Eberhard, a committee member and one of the founders of the AFFS. "Experience indicates that it is crucial for the adoption and understanding of Free Software within a country to have the community of that country organise itself in competent local organisations." said Georg Greve, President of the FSF Europe. "Therefore we were very happy to see the UK community taking the big step forward with the creation of the AFFS and we gladly welcomed them in our network of associate organisations. This brings UK people, press and politics the chance to interface with Free Software and the FSF in a more immediate way than ever before." About the Association for Free Software: The Association for Free Software is a non-profit association with the primary goal of promoting the adoption of Free Software in the UK. More information: http://www.affs.org.uk Contact: AFFS c/o Luminas Ltd 7 Webster Close Norwich NR5 9DF UK Phone: 0709 2312239 About the Free Software Foundation Europe: The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) is a charitable non-governmental organisation dedicated to all aspects of Free Software in Europe. Access to software determines who may participate in a digital society. Therefore the freedoms to use, copy, modify and redistribute software - as described in the Free Software definition - allow equal participation in the information age. Creating awareness for these issues, securing Free Software politically and legally, and giving people freedom by supporting development of Free Software are central issues of the FSF Europe, which was founded in 2001 as the European sister organisation of the Free Software Foundation in the United States. More information: http://fsfeurope.org/ Contact: Georg C. F. Greve <greve(a)gnu.org> Tel: +49-40-23809080 Fax: +49-40-23809081 Further press contact information is available at http://fsfeurope.org/press/. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "dave.griffiths" <griffy.uk(a)btopenworld.com> To: <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:26:36 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] alug, hello and install day Hello to all. I'm Dave Griffiths, I'm 28 and currently living in Marham, near Kings Lynn in Norfolk. I currently use winXP on my home computer but have meddled with linux, with little or no success in the past (Redhat, Mandrake and currently Suse 7.2) I have been onto IRC and chatted in #alug and #brits, probably upsetting a few people but learning also. I am intending to go to the Install day at UEA in june, and I'll bring along my pc if thats ok. Edward has convinced me to ditch suse and try debian, so any help on the day will be more than welcome ! Current PC spec: Asus A7V socket A motherboard Athlon 1.2 @1.4 t-bird cpu 384mb 133 ram 17" compaq monitor 40,30,17 gig ide drives Nvidia geforce3 vid card Hercules Gametheatre XP soundcard Suse does seem to install ok with everything but the soundcard running fine. The soundcard runs on a different driver, and the volume is so low its practically impossible to hear unless plugged into my hi-fi. The only other problems are more my doing through lack of knowledge than the software itself, unlike windows ! I normally use my pc for internet use, gaming, and home/office use with a printer, scanner and digital camera. I am looking to use linux for more of the same, but intend to start learning something useful with my pc, maybe html, perl, c++ or something else, suggestions for a newbie most welcome. Although a total linux newbie, I started out with computers at the age of 7 with a vic-20, progressing to spectrum, atari, amiga, dx2-66 pc all the way to my present machine which i built myself. I often help others at work etc with building and upgrading their home pc's and solving the many windows problems they encounter ! I look forward to learning more in the future. Dave Griffiths --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:37:43 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce] Fw: Eurolinux UK patent consultation alert This should be of interest to some people. ----- Original Message ----- From: FFII/Eurolinux: Holger Blasum <blasum(a)ffii.org> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:43:46 GMT To: corez23(a)linuxmail.org Subject: Eurolinux UK patent consultation alert Hello Ricardo Campos Recently you signed the European petition against software patents (http://petition.eurolinux.org/) Thanks for your support! We would like to remind you that the UK Patent Office is asking for public comments on the European Commissions proposal for a directive on the "patentability of computer-implementable inventions". You can find some more background information at http://www.linux.org.uk/ http://swpat.ffii.org/players/uk/ The specific questions that the UKPO asks are at http://www.patent.gov.uk/patent/notices/misc/softpat.htm However, in addition to these questions you may also wish to comment on whether you agree to the UKPO's interpretation of the first consultation round, whether you think the admission of patents on "software with a technical effect" will be useful etc. Another hint: Only the last 3 pages of the 22-page Commission document at http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/indprop/comp/com02-92en.pdf are the actual proposal, for a more detailed critique see http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/ You may want to state whether you allow, encourage or forbid the UKPO from publishing your statement on their website. You can send an additional copy to petition(a)eurolinux.org so as to have your statement published on the petition page. Moreover you can send your drafts to petition(a)eurolinux.org to ask for our comments. The official deadline is today (07 June 2002, though if you send sth on the weekend it will also arrive by the next working day on Monday), nonetheless maybe keep it short and simple (e.g. citing examples where your company is affected). I apologize this comes very short-termed; if you want to support Eurolinux to do these things (maybe from an UK viewpoint) more long-term in future you are welcome to write to petition(a)eurolinux.org or to me. If you have any questions, feel free to contact us or to join the European software patents mailing list (http://www.aful.org/mailman/listinfo/patents/) Also pls do not hesitate to send any critique or comments to petition(a)eurolinux.org (there will be a confirmation message which hopefully won't deter you). If you like surveys ;-), please tick [ ] I have already written to the UKPO [ ] I will write to the UKPO [ ] I will not write to the UKPO this time [ ] I don't like being "alerted", don't spam me again Kind regards, Holger Blasum, FFII (a Eurolinux member organisation) (Alan Cox and Hartmut Pilch also had endorsed a draft version of this letter.) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze --__--__-- Message: 5 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 22:50:45 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Linux Install Day 2002 -- UEA, 9th June, 2pm [1]ALUG June 9th [ [2]ContribIndex | [3]CitingPages | [4]MainSite | [5]FindPage ] On the 9th of June we will be doing a [6]LinuxInstallDay2002, that means you get to bring your computer along and the team of highly trained Linux experts (aka press-ganged monkeys) will attempt to install Linux on your computer for you. If you do wish to have an install done then please subscribe to the mailing list and say so, then at least we will get an idea of numbers and any strange hardware you may have and can be prepared for it. (Note you don't have to tell the list, It may make the install easier though) The meeting will be at UEA Norwich in Constable Terrace main common room at 2:00pm, hosted by David Casal (and others at UEA?) We should have a fair amount of kit there if you want to come along and take a look at what GNU/Linux is and what it does before you make any commmitment to getting it installed. Hopefully there will be some Demo CDs available to try, too. Discussion If you want to talk about this, please [10]use the mailing list. [11]Back to this section's index [12]Map * Destinations 1. [13]Join ALUG 2. [14]FAQ 3. [15]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [16]Peterborough 2. [17]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [18]Martyn Drake 2. [19]Luminas 3. [20]O'Reilly 4. [21]Mandrake 5. [22]SuSE You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [23]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?refs=June%209th 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?FindPage 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?LinuxInstallDay2002 10. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 11. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/ 12. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 13. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 14. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 15. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugMeetings 16. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 17. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 18. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 19. http://www.luminas.co.uk/ 20. http://www.oreilly.com/ 21. http://www.linuxmandrake.com/ 22. http://www.suse.com/ 23. http://www.lug.org.uk/ -- MJR --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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X flickering
by Alexis Lee 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

Hi, Thanks David Fairey and Adam Bower for telling me about the MTRR thing... X still isn't starting smoothly, but I can live with it. At least until I manage to snag some logfiles. Alexis -- Sometimes the blind man sees clearest. A billion people CAN be wrong. The early bird gets the worm. The second mouse gets the cheese. - Jen Hopkins

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Sunday's installfest
by John Woodard 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

What time does the installfest start 2:00pm same as usual? -- cheers, BJ

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Fw: Eurolinux UK patent consultation alert
by Ricardo Campos 07 Jun '02

07 Jun '02

Apologies if this has already been forwarded to announce, but people may be interested to check this out. ----- Original Message ----- From: FFII/Eurolinux: Holger Blasum <blasum(a)ffii.org> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:43:46 GMT To: corez23(a)linuxmail.org Subject: Eurolinux UK patent consultation alert Hello Ricardo Campos Recently you signed the European petition against software patents (http://petition.eurolinux.org/) Thanks for your support! We would like to remind you that the UK Patent Office is asking for public comments on the European Commissions proposal for a directive on the "patentability of computer-implementable inventions". You can find some more background information at http://www.linux.org.uk/ http://swpat.ffii.org/players/uk/ The specific questions that the UKPO asks are at http://www.patent.gov.uk/patent/notices/misc/softpat.htm However, in addition to these questions you may also wish to comment on whether you agree to the UKPO's interpretation of the first consultation round, whether you think the admission of patents on "software with a technical effect" will be useful etc. Another hint: Only the last 3 pages of the 22-page Commission document at http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/indprop/comp/com02-92en.pdf are the actual proposal, for a more detailed critique see http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/ You may want to state whether you allow, encourage or forbid the UKPO from publishing your statement on their website. You can send an additional copy to petition(a)eurolinux.org so as to have your statement published on the petition page. Moreover you can send your drafts to petition(a)eurolinux.org to ask for our comments. The official deadline is today (07 June 2002, though if you send sth on the weekend it will also arrive by the next working day on Monday), nonetheless maybe keep it short and simple (e.g. citing examples where your company is affected). I apologize this comes very short-termed; if you want to support Eurolinux to do these things (maybe from an UK viewpoint) more long-term in future you are welcome to write to petition(a)eurolinux.org or to me. If you have any questions, feel free to contact us or to join the European software patents mailing list (http://www.aful.org/mailman/listinfo/patents/) Also pls do not hesitate to send any critique or comments to petition(a)eurolinux.org (there will be a confirmation message which hopefully won't deter you). If you like surveys ;-), please tick [ ] I have already written to the UKPO [ ] I will write to the UKPO [ ] I will not write to the UKPO this time [ ] I don't like being "alerted", don't spam me again Kind regards, Holger Blasum, FFII (a Eurolinux member organisation) (Alan Cox and Hartmut Pilch also had endorsed a draft version of this letter.) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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My Short Description
by Paul Coulsey 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

Hi ALUG, Thank you for welcoming me. My short description on why I have chosen LINUX is:- Microsoft's Monopoly Linux being virtually 100% crash proof Designed to be a server at no outrageous cost If you don't like the way a program runs you can add your "two pennith" to it It has followers like your good selves who help Linux virgins like me and helps Linux to overtake Microsoft I am sure there are many other good reasons on why Linux is the way forward and I look forward in finding them. Kind Regards Paul Coulsey.

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alt key not working/euro?
by Ricardo Campos 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

OK, hopefully one last thing in my X saga. (now where are those tt fonts I had from my M$ days?...). My alt key isn't working. I'm sure there's a real simple way to add it in XF86Config-4 - anyone know? And has anyone figured out how to do a euro sign? I can't seem to find any fonts that support it. Thanks! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] My Short Description
by Ricardo Campos 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

> It has followers like your good selves who help Linux virgins like me and > helps Linux to overtake Microsoft I thought our "hidden agenda" was to take over Solaris! Well, linux users aren't necessarily anti-microsoft, although Microsoft is definitely anti-linux. > I am sure there are many other good reasons on why Linux is the way forward Oh yeah there are...... (thinks for a minute) Yes, definitely. There are. Welcome to ALUG! Ricardo (Who is in a funny mood) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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ALSA/OSS/ESD/Arts
by Ricardo Campos 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

OK. So I'm building my debian system, how to say... *minimally* :). I have X up and running, but I need to get sound working. I have a Soundblaster Live Platinum card, (EMU10K). I'll be compiling in support for that with my my new kernel. However, I'm a little confuzed as to which set of sound drivers to use. I have a MIDI keyboard, and would like to take advantage of this. I also use XMMS, Ogle, and all the normal desktop stuff. Anyone have any ideas could elucidate for me? (Mr.Casal?) It seems from their webpages that there are several projects doing much-the-same-thing. TIA Ricardo PS. Debian rocks big time. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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X server: connection refused
by Ricardo Campos 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

If I su to root in a terminal, and try to edit a file using emacs, I get the following error: Xlib: connection to "X0.0" refused by server Xlib: client is not authorized to connect to server emacs: cannot connect to Xserver :0. Check the DISPLAY environment variable or use '-d' It's OK is I log in as root, or as a user, it only has the problem when I su. (This error occurs with any program that uses X). Obviously this is a real pain as I am having to log in as root... which is less than desirable! Any ideas? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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initrd, lilo and general weirdness
by Ricardo Campos 05 Jun '02

05 Jun '02

1st off: Adam:- for some bizarre reason, my box booted into 2.4.18 this morning, even though 3 reboots still took it to 2.2.19 last night. I simply have no idea why. One question: why do people seem to dislike initrd.img's? I'm gonna have to compile a kernel anyway cos I got all sorts of unresolved symbols, and some of the modules I'd prefer to have compiled in anyway. For some reason, lilo won't let me boot to my second disk. I have a second HD, with a copy of lilo on it (from previous installation). I would like the lilo on hda1 to boot onto hdb1, but for some reason it won't let me do this this morning (it just ignores me-no errors!) my lilo.conf line for it is: other=/dev/hdb1 label=Redhat alias=2 -General Weirdness Section- Last night, running on my old kernel, I copied the kernel source from a CD to my HD. While it did this my Xserver hung up until it had finished. The same happened when I un-bzipped it. grrr. Adam suggested it might be a h/w problem, so I booted into RH (which can't do *now*, grrr), and quite happily copied 4gigs from one directory to another, whilst mucking about with xmms, no lock up. Copied the kernel source from CD to ~/ and that was fine, unpacked it, fine. Anyone else experience this? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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