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PROBLEMS... with meet this weekend...
by Simon Parkes 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

Everyone... really really sorry about this, but due to health problems, I'm going to have to cencel this weekend at Cheveley... Once again, really sorry... This should be able to go ahead the week after all being well, but this weekeend is definately cancelled for Cheveley.. Simon

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PROBLEMS... with meet this weekend...
by Simon Parkes 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Everyone... really really sorry about this, but due to health problems, I'm going to have to cencel this weekend at Cheveley... Once again, really sorry... This should be able to go ahead the week after all being well, but this weekeend is definately cancelled for Cheveley.. Simon

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Re: [Alug] dpgk nightmares
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

MJRay wrote: >Hopefully not, as testing is fairly good right now, as it's preparing for >release. Try to RTFM next time ;-) Where are my glasses...... >I have unixodbc for stable with Postgres 6 somewhere around, I think, or I >can try to build one for PG7.1, or maybe even iodbc, if it helps. How that >fits in which PHP is probably best dealt with by someone who knows more PHP >sysadmin things. If any of them are use, just let me know. php has built-in support for postgres already, so needs nothing else doing - that bit is working ok. It's a driver for php to talk to "other" databases I need. The rate I am going it would be far more efficient to move all my databases to postgres and get them working that way :-) Thankyou for the offer, though. >You could either go the whole hog and just flip "stable" to "testing" >in there, or you could add a deb-src line for "stable", do "apt-get -b >source packagename" and see if it builds for you. I think I might make things even worse. I'll give up on it for now,sadly. At least till I remember where I left my brain. Thanks, Jen.

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Re: [Alug] dpgk nightmares
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

MJRay wrote: >Jenny: >> I can only find a deb version of the later rpm in testing so download the >> deb package >If it's in testing, a few of us can probably make you a copy for stable if >you tell us what it is. Installing "the odd package" from testing without >doing a dist-upgrade is probably not a good idea. Oh dear. Too late. I hope I haven't screwed masses of stuff up now. What i'm after is an odbc driver, I found http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/conectiva/7.0/cd2/conectiva/RPMS/php4-odbc-4.0… I thought it would be quite simple to install alien so I can use the rpm. Ha! I installed alien and eagerly went to install the rpm-packaged driver from the link above, but alien told me it couldn't deal with rpm using major number less than 3 (or something like that). What I then was trying to install was rpm 4.0.2-18 from the testing; this is what was requiring the unmet dependencies. Would a working copy not requiring bunches of weird stuff be a possibility? Chris Glover wrote: >How about downloading the source for alien and building it yourself??? I tried this just in case, but it still requires you to install rpm - so same problem. Richard K wrote: >Update libdb2 as well; libdb3 only conflicts with earlier versions of >it. Under "testing": .....I tried this too, but libdb3 still wouldn't install. and of course, Ricardo wrote: >"fsck this" well, quite! Many thanks to all. Worst linux day I've had for a long time. :-( Jen

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dpgk nightmares
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Hi list This is what i hate most. I want to install a driver that i can only find in rpm (I'm using debian) I installed alien I can't install the driver as it requires a later version of rpm I can only find a deb version of the later rpm in testing so download the deb package I need about a billion dependent packages, so download I try to dpkg -i them all I get stuck on installing libdb3 as it conflicts with libdb2 I can't remove libdb2 because loads of stuff depends on it. grrrrrrr, Perhaps there is a one-line two-word command someone can help me with that will cure my woes? I'm sure i'm doing this the hard way. Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] dpgk nightmares
by Richard Kettlewell 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > I get stuck on installing libdb3 as it conflicts with libdb2 > I can't remove libdb2 because loads of stuff depends on it. Update libdb2 as well; libdb3 only conflicts with earlier versions of it. Under "testing": lyonesse$ dpkg -s libdb{2,3} Package: libdb2 Status: install ok installed Priority: required Section: base Installed-Size: 596 Maintainer: Matthew Wilcox <willy(a)debian.org> Source: db2 Version: 2:2.7.7.0-2 Replaces: libdb2.6, lib-bdb2, libc6 (<< 2.2.2-4), libc6.1 (<< 2.2.2-4), libc0.2 (<< 2.2.2-4) Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) Conflicts: lib-bdb2 Description: The Berkeley database routines (run-time files). libdb2 is a library for manipulating database files, developed at Berkeley and extended by Sleepycat Software Inc. This is the stable version, also commercially supported. . It supports three kinds of file formats: * btree. A representation of a sorted, balanced tree structure. * hashed. An extensible, dynamic hashing scheme. * UNIX file oriented. A byte stream file with fixed or variable length records. Other core database services: * page cache management for fast access, clean page allocation. * lock with multiple reader/writer granularity. * nested transaction support with logging and rollback recovery (two phase commit). * Large set of utilities, to dump/load/restore data and examine log. Package: libdb3 Status: install ok installed Priority: required Section: libs Installed-Size: 728 Maintainer: Matthew Wilcox <willy(a)debian.org> Source: db3 Version: 3.2.9-14 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) Conflicts: libdb2 (<< 2:2.7.7-3) Description: Berkeley v3 Database Libraries [runtime] This is the runtime package for programs that use the Berkeley v3 database library. -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #7 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

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The German Lawyer vs Free Software continues (MJ Ray) 2. More on the German Lawyer (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce] The German Lawyer vs Free Software continues ------- Forwarded Message Reply-To: Werner Heuser <wehe(a)mobilix.org> Organization: MobiliX Subject: MobiliX.org: severe charge with trademark issues by "Asterix and Obelix" Dear List Member, Werner Heuser author of Linux on the Road ( A Guide for Laptops and PDAs) has been charged with trademark issues by the owner of the trademarks for Asterix and Obelix "Les Editions Albert Rene" (Paris). The name of his website MobiliX.org is supposed to be mistaken for Obelix. The trademark Obelix was registered by the German lawyer Guenter Freiherr v. Gravenreuth. The legal charge is up to 250.000 USD or six months prison. The costs of the first instance are app. 15.000 USD. Werner Heuser has decided not to withdraw the name "MobiliX". He is supported by the German lawyers Jaschinski, Biere und Brexl - JBB (http://www.jbb-berlin.de) This case is another one in the recent series of trademark troubles for Free Software projects (SAMBA, Kylix, Kilustrator, SELFHTML, SuSE, ..). Therefore this case seems to be very important not only because many of these projects have names ending on "iX". The MobiliX.org (http://mobilix.org) site is dedicated to Mobile UniX systems. Therefore its name is a combination of the word "mobile" and the suffix "iX". It leads you to a lot of useful hands-on information about installing and running Linux, BSD, Solaris and other UniXes on laptops, PDAs, cell phones and other mobile computer devices. It exists since five years and besides the famous site "Linux on Laptops" (http://www.linux-laptop.net) by Kenneth E. Harker it seems to be biggest resource on this topic. Current news about the case are at http://mobilix.org/mobilix_asterix.html Werner Heuser - -- |=| Werner Heuser = Keplerstr. 11A = D-10589 Berlin = Germany |=| <wehe_AT_mobilix.org> T. 0049 - (0)30 - 349 53 86 |=| http://MobiliX.org How to Use UniX on Mobile Computers |=| http://Xtops.DE Laptops+PDAs pre-installed with UniX |*| This is no time for phony rhetoric -- Lou Reed _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion(a)fsfeurope.org http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion ------- End of Forwarded Message -- MJR --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:37:40 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce] More on the German Lawyer ------- Forwarded Message Subject: Re: MobiliX.org: severe charge with trademark issues by "Asterix and Obelix" Reply-To: "Georg C. F. Greve" <greve(a)fsfeurope.org> Organisation: Free Software Foundation Europe Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:18:57 +0100 || On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:24:16 +0100 || Jan-Hendrik Palic <palic(a)billgotchy.de> wrote:=20 jp> What about all free projects with names, which are similar to jp> names from commercial names? I think it is more possible to get jp> into trouble with people like Gravenreuth every day those poeple jp> could do their work. Yes, it is obvious that the Free Software movement has not paid enough attention to this. jp> Are there people, where you can go, if you have some problem with jp> that, maybe the fsf? The FSF Europe already tries to do what it can. In fact we got in contact with Werner Heuser of MobiliX immediately when we heard about this and it is not really circumstantial that Till Jaeger (the lawyer of Werner Heuser) is also the lawyer of the FSF Europe. If you read the Heise article, you will even find that we are being mentioned there. In the earlier case that created a lot of fuzz, the case of Killustrator, we also had Till Jaeger investigate the matter. He was ready to defend the Killustrator project - and would most likely have won. Unfortunately the author of Killustrator and the University he published it from preferred to settle the matter by changing the name. Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve <greve(a)fsfeurope.org> Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) GNU Business Network (http://mailman.gnubiz.org) Brave GNU World (http://brave-gnu-world.org) ------- End of Forwarded Message -- MJR --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Linux/Modem problem
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

My neighbour is running Windows 98 and wants to have a play with Linux. I have set up Debian (Progeny version) on his machine but cannot get the modem to work. He has an external US Robotics 5630 (56k) which works perfectly with windows. After running pppconfig to set up a connection and using pon to dial out I can see the ATZ sent with an OK response from the modem then I see the dial string and immediately the modem returns NO CARRIER. There is a very short burst of noise from the modem before the NO CARRIER message but it won't dial. After this even the initialisation string has no effect until the power to the modem has been turned off and on again. I have never had modem problems with Linux before and I'm stumped. Going back into Windows (now wash your hands), after trying to dial out through Linux, the damn thing works perfectly. Some advice would be heavily appreciated. Barry Samuels

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Re: [Alug] RH 7.2 problem
by Dryden 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

>I have recently been trying to compile myself a >kernel as yet without >success. But a side effect seems to be that I can no >longer mount/umount CD >and floppy drives - even by hand as root. mount just >hangs. Looking at it >with Gtop shows it is asleep waiting for an interrupt. >As I have a PIII, I wondered if when I did make >modules and make >modules_install I may have overwritten some >functioning code with now non> functioning code. >Any suggestions? What version of the kernel are you useing? Isnt it the automount fs? Red hat and most other distros have hevily pached up kernels. I think all of the new versions have automount as standard now. What dir are you building in? dont think itll matter but ive herded of it messing up system header files that need to stay the same or somthing. Dennis Dryden ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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