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Apologies?
by Keith Watson 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

Apologies if that last message went out as HTML, I forgot to check before I sent it. Keith

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Finding directories whose contents have changed since yesterday
by Mark Rogers 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

What I want to do is write a script to backup some databases, but only if they've changed. I figured that the easiest way to get a list of databases that exist, as well as which have changed, is to look in /var/lib/mysql for directories with recently changed files. I know that find /var/lib/mysql -type d -mtime 1 .. will find directories that have changed inside 24 hours, but it does not pick up directories whose contents have changed. Any suggestions? (The next problem is that the user I want to run the script as does not have access to the /var/lib/mysql directory at the moment so a more elegant solution would be nice.) -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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question about spam and email
by Peter Alcibiades 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

I get an email apparently sent from my own address. For example, my address is, lets say, george(a)george.net The email as shown in the headers is as follows: (sparing you the men's health html content....) ____________________________________ X-Apparently-To: george(a)george.net via 217.146.188.205; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:09:34 +0000 X-YahooFilteredBulk: 89.255.66.166 X-YMailISG: 2SY32MQWLDseQtPq.viRb0HoD8citXfwb5yU.qQraFBDXDSdpqZYN3SwTpk2iqGxKbNzyJRIqyYInXz.PZigNBPBknbacSefTzLimGCItZrnjtmFQaaOfgZNXdcMWqDHKjumsKzHWpo8wDBn0BQrSqXXEBxy41e9PkcAi3StSZXQ5lU87DuIa4i_lxae6ynbT2_mj5nNPclFaR6tpR569bOJeJ7Y1eLll0nhygykKIG6bEfLNpfT9DBFkvrU7eOPmUFf5PGJ2DYy9z9yaX0jQSHomZcRBr3HaPmdJPgShRnlwaq_SzZMzh.RtEraDzH_Lfg2W3oR X-Originating-IP: [89.255.66.166] Authentication-Results: mta129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 89.255.66.166 (HELO amerblind.outbound.ed10.com) (89.255.66.166) by mta129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:09:32 +0000 X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA:george@george.net X-SID-Result: Pass Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:09:25 +0300 (EST) From: Allan Carver <george(a)george.net> To: <george(a)george.net> Subject: RE: USA Menshealth(Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:09:25 +0300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: R X-Status: NC X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: ________________________________ Is this just innocent spam, or has the account been compromised?

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High CPU usage for sudo?
by Mark Rogers 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

According to top on my desktop: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 18387 root 20 0 2876 976 952 R 83.3 0.1 3291:33 sudo 31304 mark 20 0 405m 254m 30m S 8.9 16.8 298:14.33 firefox 5964 root 20 0 190m 80m 13m S 3.3 5.3 142:12.89 Xorg 31994 mark 20 0 62364 24m 10m R 1.3 1.6 1:03.30 gnome-terminal 6196 mark 20 0 46292 10m 8256 S 0.7 0.7 3:28.18 gnome-settings- 6303 mark 20 0 90664 50m 7160 S 0.7 3.3 103:36.48 multiload-apple 11225 mark 20 0 111m 26m 17m S 0.7 1.7 13:11.20 deluge 31092 mark 20 0 2416 1172 876 R 0.7 0.1 0:00.08 top 6243 mark 20 0 21392 5032 4328 S 0.3 0.3 5:03.73 gnome-screensav So that's 83% for sudo... I just sat watching it for a while (I only fired up top as the machine was running slow) so although the above is a snapshot it's indicative of a pattern at the moment. Any suggestions? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Flash Player 9 test?
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 04 Mar '09

04 Mar '09

Hi Folks, To compare notes -- would anyone like to try playing the video linked to from the news article at http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn%5Fnews%5Fcambridge/ DisplayArticle.asp?ID=396400 When I clock on the "play" arrow, it crashes my Iceweasel (2.0.0.19 on Debian Etch). If I right-click on the image, I get a pop-up which makes it look as though the video is intended for Flash Player 9. I have Flash Player 9 installed, and have often used it successfully on other sites. With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 04-Mar-09 Time: 16:56:57 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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[Fwd: [Peterboro] Free .PDF of Linux Format magazine]
by Mark Rogers 04 Mar '09

04 Mar '09

FYI: Posted to the P(eterborough)LUG list. The date this is available is 4th March. Mark Rogers -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Peterboro] Free .PDF of Linux Format magazine Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:05:21 +0000 From: stuart lonnen <stuart.lonnen(a)gmail.com> Hi all, Just found out that the latest issue of Linux Format will be offered free for download from here http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only As the URL says the offer will expire after 24 hours and it starts at midnight tonight. I have a subscription so I don't have to download it, but I might just in case someone at the LUG wants it and misses it. I'll be able to offer it to anyone coming to the next LUG meeting. Cheers Stuart L. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Linux Certification...
by James Elsey 04 Mar '09

04 Mar '09

Hi Guys, I’m thinking about taking some kind of Linux certification, and I’m wondering if any of you have done this and what views/advice can you give. I’m interested in taking the Ubuntu certification, primarily because that’s the distro I’m most familiar with, yet I’d still class myself as a “beginner” user ( I can install software, work my around the terminal etc etc) I’ve read that you need to take LPI 101, 102, and 199 for this, but I’ve also read that the UCP is somewhat of a gimmick compared to the Red Hat certifications Are these qualifications recognised well, i.e. did they help you with new jobs in the past? I’d love to hear any advice you can give regarding Linux certifications. I don’t get to use Linux as much as I would like to, so I’m hoping these will provide me with some incentive to “knuckle down” and get on with it :) James Elsey Junior Developer Serengeti Systems Limited Serengeti House Kersey Maltings Kersey, Ipswich IP7 6DP Company registered in England & Wales Registration No: 3578108 T: 01473 825 002 D: 01473 825 013 E: HYPERLINK "mailto:chris.roberts@serengeti-systems.com"james.elsey(a)serengeti-systems.com URL: HYPERLINK "http://www.serengeti-systems.com/"www.serengeti-systems.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1980 - Release Date: 02/03/2009 23:02

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Alug 10th anniversary!
by Adam Bower 01 Mar '09

01 Mar '09

Hi all, May 2nd this year marks the 10th year of alug! (well, of the kit meetings anyhow, it did exist as a mailing list before that for a while). Anyhow, in recognition of this who wants to have a kit meet? I'd like to arrange something for the weekend of the 2nd/3rd May and the precise day depending on who is available and wants to come along. As yet we have no planned venue either! Anyhow, who is out there who wants to come along? Will a kit meet format be suitable? Is there something else we should do? Should we have some vintage Linux distros? Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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Watch this space - just got Lenny and There-Will-Be-Questions[TM]
by Anthony Anson 01 Mar '09

01 Mar '09

Just received a 5 DVD set of Lenny, and am building a box to keep him in. In the meantime, I'm going to put it all on a HDD on this box (HD0 in a tray) ATM the HDD (40 GB) is hosting a cut-down version of Sarge - which I've never got on with, preferring to run Knoppix from DVD. However, that's by-the-bye, I'll be able to find old friends (fiends?) like Gnome on the CDs - the entire contents of which I intend decanting into magnetospace. Anyone used VirtualBox for Windows-based programs, especially anything written in VB-net? -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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Network Browsing via Homeplug
by steveydoteu 01 Mar '09

01 Mar '09

When browsing the home network, specifically on Windows as far as I can recall, there seemingly is no other device on the network in the entire house, which is of course not the case at all. Obviously this causes issues when trying to browse shared folders and so forth. Internet is connected to the system from a LAN switch which in turn is connected to a homeplug device, that obviously, recieves the internet from the router upstairs. I am wondering if there is a simple solution that I am missing here!

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puzzling result from who command
by Peter Alcibiades 27 Feb '09

27 Feb '09

I needed to run the who command, and was surprised to discover that my user was logged in three times. It was something like the following: al@athene:~$ who al pts/1 2009-02-27 07:19 (:0.0) al pts/0 2009-02-27 07:19 (:0.0) al pts/3 2009-02-27 07:19 (:0.0) Though the dates on one of the entries was different. Like an idiot I failed to copy the thing when it was showing. I then shutdown and rebooted, and it now comes up with one login as expected. Why would this happen? Peter

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J2ME / Netbeans
by Stuart Bailey 25 Feb '09

25 Feb '09

Any J2ME experts? I have a small project in development using J2ME to run on mobile phones. It's mostly complete, but probably needs about 3-4 days to finish off. Any one interested in a little extra work? Stuart -- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Managing Director) Linux Specialist & Software Developer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Phone: (0845) 658 3563 Direct: +44 (0)1953 878162 Fax: +44 (0) 1603 858583 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.linusoft.co.uk http://www.bluetoothadvertising.org.uk ---------------------------------------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Trying to get rid of dollar symbol for pound sterling symbol
by Jenny Hopkins 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

Hi All, Happy New Year! I'm trying to replace the $ symbol on a friend's laptop with a £. The laptop is American, with only a $ key (HP Pavilion DV9600), and is running kubuntu 8.04. Running locale shows LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_GB:en and some other stuff - I'm not sure if that has anything to do with anything. Can anyone offer assistance? Thanks, Jenny

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How to execute something when I log out from X?
by Chris G 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

I run xubuntu 8.10 and I want to shut down my VirtualBox guest machine when I log out. That is I want to shut it down automatically, I usually remember to do it before I logout but sometimes I forget and it is then shut down 'ungracefully' with risk to its contents. One would have thought that there would be 'hooks' for running stuff at shutdown but I can't find any at all. Does anyone have any suggestions? -- Chris Green

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lenny and virtual box
by Peter Alcibiades 24 Feb '09

24 Feb '09

I run VB under Lenny, W2K, for a specialist CAD program. Works perfectly. Would probably work better with more memory, the rest of the system does slow down a bit. Only have 1G of which 512 is allocated to the VM. I can't get shared folders to work, which is tiresome, so I email files back and forth - once they are exported in dxf they can be worked on in QCAD. Peter

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Email editing with TB - you can use any editor!
by James Freer 22 Feb '09

22 Feb '09

Recently i had wanted to use a text editor to speed up answering emails and considered Mutt and Emacs. I had used Thunderbird for sometime and liked the app but editing emails takes too long. Setting up Mutt was ok but still involved quite a bit of work. Yesterday i came across a Thunderbird addon Muttador (still beta stage - vi editor) and today came across a non-mozilla TB addon called Exteditor... just what i've wanted and didn't think it existed! http://globs.org/articles.php?lng=en&pg=2 Some v.kind person has developed an external editor addon instead of the TB editor. It allows emacs, vi, joe, gedit or whatever to compose emails. Should be of interest to anyone who wants to increase their productivity and say goodbye to the mouse while editing emails. james

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Symchronization, nearly have what I want now
by Chris G 21 Feb '09

21 Feb '09

I've been niggling away at my Nokia E71 synchrnozation problem ever since I posted here about it. I think I now have a workable solution, it's not perfect but it's good enough for the present. The downside is that it involves a web 'out there' intermediary, I am using ScheduleWorld (http://www.scheduleworld.com) I have my Nokia E71 synchronizing via my local wifi to ScheduleWorld and I have installed the SyncEvolution plugin for Evolution that synchronizes with ScheduleWorld too. It's *slightly* clumsy in that I have to do two separate synchronizes, one each for the E71 and Evolution but it does, I suppose, give me web access to my contacts and calendar. There are plugins/conduits for most devices and software for ScheduleWorld so I could move to Thunderbird/Lightning if I decide to do so. I'd really prefer a lightweight syncMl server for my home machine, the syncEvolution site does mutter about such a thing being on the way so we can but hope. -- Chris Green

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Problems with Monitor in standby
by Alex Scotton 21 Feb '09

21 Feb '09

Hi All, As a result of not being able to define in a google-able way whats wrong with my setup at the moment, I have resorted to mailing you guys... As I have seen hundred of problems solved by you guys.. My problem is a simple, yet annoying one... Whenever my system (Ubuntu 8.10 | Kernel 2.7.11) is IDLE for long enough to turn the monitor "off", the monitor goes into standby fine (green light turns to orange light) but every so often the monitor will boot up again, and flash up on the screen "No Signal" and go back to standby mode... there seems to be no consistency to it, it is very random.. However as I dual boot with windows, I was able to identify that the monitor works fine in windows, and I haven't had these problems before.. Further Specs if required are available but you may have to tell me where to find those stats (as am still learning the basics) However I can tell you that it is a ViewSonic VP191b on a Nvidia geforce 6150SE using the proprietary drivers! Any help will be much appreciated, and to all readers the wishes of a good day! Peace! Alex

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Wireless Access Points
by steveydoteu 20 Feb '09

20 Feb '09

ALUG, I am looking into a purchase, nothing to high end, just as a means of discarding a number of cables in my room. The problem arises when I have no experience or knowledge of using WAPs before. My current setup is as follows: BTHomeHub (2nd gen I believe) is connected into powerline adaptors one of which is used as an outlet in this room. I have then connected a LAN switch to the adaptor, which is then cabled to all machines that require access. With this in mind all current devices can actually be used via Wifi, if it was not for the HomeHub wifi being utter crap. So I am looking for advice or suggestions for a WAP that is around ~£50 that will cope with a main desktop, media server, and various consoles. Cheers, Steve www.stevey.eu

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Re: [ALUG] Netbook?
by Tim Green 19 Feb '09

19 Feb '09

2009/2/18 mbm <mbm(a)rlogin.net>: > Could you let us have your views on the HP please? I guess I'm not > alone in considering purchasing a netbook now and I'd like to know why > you chose the HP over one of the others (Eee, Aspire One etc). And of > course, if any others on the list have views or preferences I'd > appreciate hearing. One of my colleagues has an early Eee, and likes its simplicity. Runs Linux, not sure which distro. Another of my colleagues has just bought a Samsung NC10, and loves its long battery life. Runs XP. Hope that helps! Tim.

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Toppy software for netbook?
by Ruth Bygrave 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

The Toppy (Topfield TF5800) is a PVR roughly comparable to the Humax. It has a USB port that can be accessed by a PC or Mac. Have now got a netbook (HP Mini-Note 2133). Since this is slightly more portable than my main machine (it doesn't have a slew of wires and a USB hub connected to it) is there a way I can set it up to talk to the Toppy? Can make nothing of the descriptions on this webpage: http://toppy.org.uk/downloads/linux.php The netbook runs SUSE Enterprise Edition 10, or that's what it says on the sticky label. I have an entire series of Heroes that I haven't watched yet, for example, so if I could move it I could format it for iPod and save it on a DVD, which would allow me to get all that space back. Regards, Ruth

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Re: [ALUG] Odd networking issue; losing packets?
by lists＠glover.uk.net 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

> I have a Windows XP box and a Ubuntu 8.10 box plugged in to the same > router. > FWIW, it's a BT HomeHub 2 that I'm currently trialling. > > Both work, although for some reason the Ubuntu box has an odd tracert: > > $ sudo tracert 216.239.59.147 > traceroute to 216.239.59.147 (216.239.59.147), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 BThomehub.home (192.168.1.254) 55.623 ms 55.417 ms 55.174 ms > 2 217.47.200.58 (217.47.200.58) 33.711 ms * * > 3 * * * > 4 * * * > 5 * * * > 6 * 217.41.170.65 (217.41.170.65) 41.333 ms * > 7 * 217.41.170.122 (217.41.170.122) 31.084 ms 33.988 ms > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * 195.99.125.82 (195.99.125.82) 33.735 ms > 13 * * * > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * * * > 17 gv-in-f147.google.com (216.239.59.147) 45.999 ms * * > > Compare that with the Windows box; > C:\>tracert www.google.com > > Tracing route to www.l.google.com [216.239.59.147] > over a maximum of 30 hops: > > 1 43 ms 100 ms 99 ms BThomehub.home [192.168.1.254] > 2 476 ms 395 ms 435 ms 217.47.200.58 > 3 179 ms 184 ms 187 ms 217.47.250.161 > 4 191 ms 32 ms 62 ms 217.47.200.10 > 5 63 ms 63 ms 153 ms 217.41.170.21 > 6 82 ms 62 ms 97 ms 217.41.170.65 > 7 234 ms 215 ms 122 ms 217.41.170.122 > 8 206 ms 183 ms 183 ms 217.41.170.50 > 9 230 ms 244 ms 245 ms 217.47.200.241 > 10 470 ms 320 ms 307 ms > core1-pos0-0-0-5.ilford.ukcore.bt.net[194.72.20.113] > 11 370 ms 367 ms 369 ms > core1-pos14-1.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net[195.99.125.225] > 12 423 ms 490 ms 453 ms 195.99.125.82 > 13 422 ms 423 ms 409 ms 209.85.255.175 > 14 45 ms 67 ms 93 ms 209.85.250.216 > 15 101 ms 151 ms 123 ms 66.249.95.164 > 16 203 ms 184 ms 185 ms 216.239.49.114 > 17 249 ms 249 ms 242 ms gv-in-f147.google.com [216.239.59.147] > > Trace complete. > > It seems to me that the Linux box is losing lots of packets. Many get > through, but many do not. Or am I just worrying about nothing, given that > it > seems to work OK. On the bright side, those packets that do get through do > so a lot quicker than those on Windows, but that may be just because my > Linux box is less archaic. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Hi Greg, Linux traceroute and WIndows traceroute work in different ways. Linux uses UDP packets, and WIndows uses ICMP. From your Linux machine try traceroute -I www.google.co.uk and then try without the -I. THe -I forces the Linux traceroute to behave like the Windows one. Some routers block excessive UDP traffic, as they see it as an attack. My Draytek router blocks UDP pings, I always have to use -I on traces. Hope that helps Chris

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GMail plain text
by Richard Lewis 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

Hello ALUG, Just a note for GMail Web UI users: The GMail Web interface defaults to sending multipart HTML emails. The ALUG lists bawk on HTML emails and block them for manual moderation. In order to get your messages to the list straight away you need to make sure you're sending plain text emails. When composing a message, you can click the 'Plain text' option near the formatting options to switch to plain text editing. I'm sure you used to be able to configure the GMail Web interface to default to sending plain text email to certain contacts. I can't work out how to do this now, though. If anyone works it out then do let us know! Best, Richard -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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Fwd: Are there any remote backup systems that don't require ssh access??Recommendations?
by James Taylor 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

Sorry, replied not replied-all. I don't do much email ok? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Srdjan Todorovic <todorovic.s(a)googlemail.com > wrote: > Hi > > 2009/2/4 Chris G <cl(a)isbd.net>: > > I still don't think it addresses the problem, unless it's an > > incremental backup. If someone breaks into 'my' machine (the machine > > being backed up) then they can send rubbish data to overwrite the good > > backups can't they? This is the specific possibility I'm trying to > > protect myself against a bit. > This is the old replication argument - Replication produces hot backups for failure, not backups for bad data. (and also other benefits..) > > Now that I remember, there was an article in one of the Linux Format > issues where you could use Subversion to hold incremental, versioned, > logged home directories. > > Anyone tried it in general? Anyone tried it specifically for this kind > of backup setup? > (or anyone tried other version control software (git?) for this?) > Me, I used a combination of SVN and Tortoise on windows to do "backups" of all my files for quite a long time. The system is perfect for a "smallish number of files" - that is my entire OS has something like 50k files in it, I wouldnt want to commit the lot to SVN ;) The idea is perfect because if I got a virus, that destroyed some files, that would then get automatically backed up, I could just run back to a particular date. I'm not sure about the efficiency of this backup system though. If you have a program that makes large changes to "binary working files" then you would probably end up in troubles. > Interesting thought. One problem would be that it's not automated (you > would have to write a log)... > Not too difficult - I had a few shell scripts on cron and windows schedule that ran. > > You can do ssh+svn:// so there might be a possibility of using ssh > keys if you really wanted. > Which helps on the automatic scripting.

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Odd networking issue; losing packets?
by Greg Thomas 16 Feb '09

16 Feb '09

I have a Windows XP box and a Ubuntu 8.10 box plugged in to the same router. FWIW, it's a BT HomeHub 2 that I'm currently trialling. Both work, although for some reason the Ubuntu box has an odd tracert: $ sudo tracert 216.239.59.147 traceroute to 216.239.59.147 (216.239.59.147), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 BThomehub.home (192.168.1.254) 55.623 ms 55.417 ms 55.174 ms 2 217.47.200.58 (217.47.200.58) 33.711 ms * * 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * 217.41.170.65 (217.41.170.65) 41.333 ms * 7 * 217.41.170.122 (217.41.170.122) 31.084 ms 33.988 ms 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * 195.99.125.82 (195.99.125.82) 33.735 ms 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 gv-in-f147.google.com (216.239.59.147) 45.999 ms * * Compare that with the Windows box; C:\>tracert www.google.com Tracing route to www.l.google.com [216.239.59.147] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 43 ms 100 ms 99 ms BThomehub.home [192.168.1.254] 2 476 ms 395 ms 435 ms 217.47.200.58 3 179 ms 184 ms 187 ms 217.47.250.161 4 191 ms 32 ms 62 ms 217.47.200.10 5 63 ms 63 ms 153 ms 217.41.170.21 6 82 ms 62 ms 97 ms 217.41.170.65 7 234 ms 215 ms 122 ms 217.41.170.122 8 206 ms 183 ms 183 ms 217.41.170.50 9 230 ms 244 ms 245 ms 217.47.200.241 10 470 ms 320 ms 307 ms core1-pos0-0-0-5.ilford.ukcore.bt.net[194.72.20.113] 11 370 ms 367 ms 369 ms core1-pos14-1.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net[195.99.125.225] 12 423 ms 490 ms 453 ms 195.99.125.82 13 422 ms 423 ms 409 ms 209.85.255.175 14 45 ms 67 ms 93 ms 209.85.250.216 15 101 ms 151 ms 123 ms 66.249.95.164 16 203 ms 184 ms 185 ms 216.239.49.114 17 249 ms 249 ms 242 ms gv-in-f147.google.com [216.239.59.147] Trace complete. It seems to me that the Linux box is losing lots of packets. Many get through, but many do not. Or am I just worrying about nothing, given that it seems to work OK. On the bright side, those packets that do get through do so a lot quicker than those on Windows, but that may be just because my Linux box is less archaic. Any ideas? Thanks, Greg

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