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[OT] I love vivid descriptions!!
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 15 Oct '07

15 Oct '07

Hi Folks, I know it's way off topic (off practically any topic, though perhaps soon to becone topical). But I cannot resist sharing this unusually vivid description: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6881120-claims.html Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 15-Oct-07 Time: 18:15:24 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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aoetools and vblade
by Peter Alcibiades 15 Oct '07

15 Oct '07

Aetools and vblade. Has anyone used them? If so, the userspace vblade or the kernel variant? Experiences and thoughts? Peter

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Can any expert out there help with SASL?
by Barry Samuels 14 Oct '07

14 Oct '07

I run Postfix on Debian Testing and I originally set outgoing mail in my mailer (Balsa) to be SMTP localhost:25. I have the choice of sending external mail either through my ISP's mail server or my web site hoster's mail server. In my Postfix main.cf I had relayhost = (one of two mail servers) Before I changed ISPs recently I used to send my external mail through my ISP (unauthenticated) but then I changed to my web site hoster's mail server and mail was going out through them (also unauthenticated). When I changed ISPs recently I found that I could no longer send through my web site hoster's mail server and they say that's because it requires authentication. I don't know why it should have worked with my old ISP and the people who host my web site haven't offered any explanation. So I'm trying, and failing dismally, to use SASL for SMTP authentication. I followed these instructions http://linuxgazette.net/142/pfeiffer.html However if I now try sending mail with SASL set up authentication fails on whichever external mail server I use but I don't know why or how to find out why it's failing. Can anyone help with this? -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Samba problem
by Chris G 13 Oct '07

13 Oct '07

One of the few remaining problems I have with my Fedora 7 replacement of Slackware 11 is that I can't get Samba to work. First I tried setting up Samba with the Fedora GUI and that just produced total invisibility, i.e. windows machines couldn't see anything. Then I copied my Slackware smb.conf file across to the Fedora installation (and restarted NMB and SMB), now my windows machines can 'see' the Samba server - they recognise the machine name - but I still can't connect. It seems like Samba isn't recognising my password. What's the best way to diagnose this? -- Chris Green

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LVM documentation and/or basic help wanted
by Chris G 13 Oct '07

13 Oct '07

My system has two physical disks. When I installed Fedora 7 I gave it one of the two disks all to itself (having copied the data I wanted elsewhere). Fedora 7 uses LVM2 to manage its disks. Now the installation seems to be well sorted and stable I'd like to use LVM for the other disk as well, it's currently partitioned the 'old fashioned' way. I can (hopefully!) manage the issues of saving the data on the old disk before splatting it with LVM but I need some guidance on the best ways to use LVM - i.e. how to split up the disk etc. Currently Fedora has made the one physical disk it has into one Physical Volume and has assigned it all to one Volume Group. Presumably I'll make the other disk (when empty) into a second Physical Volume. But then I wonder what to do next. Should I add the new Physical Volume to the existing Volume Group or would I be better off adding a new Volume Group? What are the pros and cons of the two approaches? Then should I split the Volume Group into more than the two logical volumes it has at the moment? Currently it's just a huge / and a 2Gb swap. /home is on the 'old' disk at present. Would I be better putting at least /home into a separate Logical Volume (I think the answer to that is 'yes')? Currently /etc/fstab is as follows:- /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/sda1 /slackroot ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda3 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda4 /scratch ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/sda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 One other issue that occurs to me is that there must (I guess) be something on /dev/sda that tells grub that /boot is /dev/sdb1 and I'm a bit worried that this might get splatted and stop the system booting. Or is the boot block sacrosanct from lvm/fdisk etc.? I can understand the basics of LVM, i.e. how to do things, but it would be useful to have a 'why' document. -- Chris Green

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Re: [ALUG] HTML question - how to create a sequence of varying indents
by David Reynolds 12 Oct '07

12 Oct '07

On 12 Oct 2007, at 7:42 pm, Chris G wrote: > I want to lay a list of items out as follows:- > > item1 > item2 > item3 > item4 > item5 Chris, This should be fairly easy to work out searching google or reading the html/css specifications or even just some trial and error! Thanks, David -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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[ALUG Announce] 3rd Monday Monthly Ipswich Social Meeting : The Milestone, Woodbridge Road
by samwise 12 Oct '07

12 Oct '07

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Third Monday" ALUG Ipswich Social Meeting is back again next week (Monday 15th October) at 20:00: The Milestone Beer House 5 Woodbridge Road IPSWICH IP4 2EA Tel: 01473 252425 Map/Directions URI: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=IP4+2EA The Milestone pub is in the centre of Ipswich, near the now-defunct Odeon cinema and not far from The Regent Theatre. There is more information on the venue, including car parking info, on the ALUG wiki: http://www.alug.org.uk/wiki/moin.cgi/Meetings All are welcome, novices and experienced users. Hopefully, it shouldn't be too hard to find the pack, look for those huddled around a laptop! Feel free to ask for further information on the Main ALUG mailing list. This month's meeting is mainly social -we're taking a night off from tutorials, as we've had some crackers recently (tho as a follow-up to last week, I'll probably show off the new seamless windows feature in the latest GPL version of VirtualBox, which allows you to run Windows apps directly on a native Linux desktop. Hope to see you there, Peter. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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New Member
by Neil Cordner 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

Hi all, Thought I'd join your mailing list in the hope to advance my knowledge of Linux. I'm fairly new to Linux and I'm totally fed up with Windoze. I use Fedora and have found it quite a good learning curve. I also hope to come along on thursday evening. Neil

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Open Office and Word
by Bev Nicolson 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

I sent a document to someone recently and their machine kept crashing when they tried to put changes into it. (They use MS.) I've not had this problem before and I'm wondering exactly how compatible Open Office and Word are. What's your experience? Bev. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Preventing ouput mail from shell script
by Jenny Hopkins 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

Hullo there, I'm trying to prevent a very simple script in cron.hourly from sending mail when it executes. The script consists of mount -a > /dev/null I hoped the output would be directed to a black hole, but it sends a mail every hour as below. /etc/cron.hourly/checkmounts: mount: knossos:/home already mounted or /nfshome busy mount: xios:/home already mounted or /nfshome-xios busy run-parts: /etc/cron.hourly/checkmounts exited with return code 32 Is the only way to prevent mail output to make the script more complicated with exit codes and whatnot? Thanks, Jenny

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Why does Firefox always use UTF-8 for this page?
by Ross Fenning 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

On 10/10/2007, Greg Thomas <Greg(a)thethomashome.co.uk> wrote: > On 10/10/2007, Chris G <cl(a)isbd.net> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 09:11:37AM +0100, Greg Thomas wrote: > > > > > > What you showed originally was the HTML setting the charset, with the line > > > > > > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > > > > > > This is embedded in the HTML, and overwritten by any content-type > > > presented in the HTTP headers, which is completely different. > > > > > > What is the CGI script written in? It probably has a line something like > > > > > > print "Content-Type: text/html\n"; > > > > > > change that to > > > > > > print "Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\n"; > > > > > There's a line in the config file:- > > > > py["locale"] = "en_US.iso-8859-1" > > > > ... and there's also:- > > > > py["blog_encoding"] = "iso-8859-1" > > > > ... but the output from the browser is still obstinately defaulted to > > UTF-8. > > Is there a way you can examine the headers that the CGI script is > presenting without Apache getting in the way - with Perl you could > just run the script from the command line, and it would send the > output to stdout. Check and see if there is a content-type header > specifying the right charset. I suspect not. Googling turns up > http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/cgi-intro.html which suggests > that the header is output explicitly ('print "Content-Type: > text/html"'). I use pyblosxom too and the issue there is that it's not just the one script for me; it's a whole series of python files and the content-type header is outputted in a dynamic way, i.e. there's no obvious place you can add in the encoding to the end of the header line. I tested with wget and my installation also seems to be sending charset=UTF-8 despite the pyblosxom config saying py["blog_encoding"] = "iso-8859-1". Either pyblosxom is ignoring it or it's not sending one at all and Apache is jumping in with the default charset. Perhaps pyblosxom needs some hacking to send the right headers. I tried to run it from the command line, but the script is too clever: when it runs from the command line, it goes into an "installation verification system" where it checks it's installed correctly. It only outputs HTML when run as a cgi from what I can tell. Ross

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Why does Firefox always use UTF-8 for this page?
by Chris G 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

I have a web page which has a couple of special characters which are ISO-8859-1 encoded, 'View Source' shows that the header is as follows:- <head> <title>Chris Info</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://home.isbd.net/css/infowiki.css" type="text/css"> <link rel="alternate" type="application/xml" title="RSS" href="/blog/rss2.xml"> <link rel="top" href="/" title="pyblosxom.sourceforge.net"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> </head> ... but when started up Firefox always sets the character encoding to "Unicode (UTF-8)" by default and to see the characters correctly I have to manually switch it to "Western (ISO-8859-1)". Is Firefox subtly trying to push me in the 'right' direction or, more realistically, what am I doing wrong? I have tried setting things to default to ISO-8859-1 in Firefox but I don't seem to be getting anywhere. -- Chris Green

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Re: [ALUG] Why does Firefox always use UTF-8 for this page?
by Matthew 10 Oct '07

10 Oct '07

> ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:10:03 +0100 > From: Chris G <cl(a)isbd.net> > Subject: Re: [ALUG] Why does Firefox always use UTF-8 for this page? > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Message-ID: <20071009181003.GB59524@newred> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 06:40:47PM +0100, Chris G wrote: ... > However I'd really prefer to > keep the default Charset as UTF-8 and change it to ISO-8859-1 for just > the /home/chris/webdev/info hierarchy. > > But how do I do it? Adding a .htaccess file with "AddCharset > ISO-8859-1 .rst .txtl" to the directory /home/chris/webdev/info > doesn't seem to do anything, but that doesn't surprise me really > because I don't think my browser ever sees that .rst file. I also > tried:- > > <Directory /var/www/cgi-bin/pyblosxom.cgi> > AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .rst .txtl > AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 > </Directory> I don't really understand the correspondence between your filesystem location and your URL-space one. Which are you trying to specify here? <Directory> is for filesystem locations, otherwise you want <Location>. As has been said, if it's a request to a CGI script you can set the headers in the script. You should probably do it that way if possible, because I'm sure headers set by CGI trump Apache's default Charset and I suspect also the specific sets. You may find that the script already sets a charset (CGI scripts are required to provide a Content-type: header, I think). Matthew

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Inserting a file into a telnet session
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 09 Oct '07

09 Oct '07

Hi Folks, Maybe someone knows how to so this! Say I'm logged in to a remote host in a telnet session. At a certain point, I would like to send the contents of a text file to the other end (as if I'd typed them in by hand). OK, in principle I could do this by opening the file in another xterm, and using the mouse to paste the lines into my telnet session. But in this instance I don't want to do that. What I'd really like to do is to be able to "break out" of the direct connection between my keyboard and the far end, and issue a local command to squirt said file down the line via the telnet session. And then break back in again. There doesn't seem to be any method of doing this with normal telnet (as far as I can make out from 'man telnet'). Any suggestions? (After all, one used to be able to do this kind of thing with kermit, when on dial-up via a serial port!) With thanks, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 08-Oct-07 Time: 18:09:37 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Flashplayer installation
by Bev Nicolson 09 Oct '07

09 Oct '07

Having trawled through the Ubuntu forums I came across this which looked like it would work to install Adobe Flashplayer (on Ubuntu Dapper 6.06LTS.) << First remove the old paste this in terminal sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/*flash* then download and save the new to the desktop click the link and get Option 1: .tar.gz http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/downl...ShockwaveFlash now paste these commands in the terminal one line at a time and hit enter cd Desktop tar -xvzf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz sudo mv install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ sudo mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ >> It's unpacked it and put an installation file on the desktop. However, when I get to the last line it announces that there is no destination file given as follows: mv: missing destination file operand after `install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayerxpt/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/' I cannot find any reference to Firefox plugins within my Firefox browser (version 1.5.0.12) and this is where I imagine they would want to go, so I'm assuming I've missed something. Any help gratefully received. Bev. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Exim4 virtual hosts
by Richard Lewis 08 Oct '07

08 Oct '07

Hello ALUG, I mentioned this on #alug the other day, but I thought I'd just check to see if anyone else has any ideas regarding it - especially as I can go into more detail here. My mail setup on my server has broken. I'm using Exim's virtual host method to forward mail sent to the server to a couple of different places. In /etc/exim4/virtual I have files for the domains: /etc/exim4/virtual +- ariada.uea.ac.uk +- sara.uea.ac.uk +- studios.uea.ac.uk which contain rules like: admin : richard.lewis(a)uea.ac.uk * : :fail: Unknown recipient. Please direct general comments to comments(a)studios.uea.ac.uk I have the necessary config in 350_exim4-config_vdom_aliases and I have: domainlist local_domains = @:localhost:dsearch;/etc/exim4/virtual in 01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs. I've configured Exim using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config answering like this: 1) internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP 2) System mail name: musariada.mus.uea.ac.uk 3) IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections: 139.222.208.19 4) Other destinations for which mail is accepted: studios.uea.ac.uk; sara.uea.ac.uk; ariada.uea.ac.uk 5) Domains to relay mail for: none 6) Machines to relay mail for: none 7) Keep number of DNS-queries minimal: no 8) Delivery method for local mail: mbox format in /var/mail/ 9) Split configuration into small files? yes When I try to send mail to, e.g., events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk I get the following error in /var/log/exim4/mainlog 2007-10-08 10:07:54 no IP address found for host MAIN_RELAY_NETS (during SMTP connection from mailgate5.uea.ac.uk [139.222.130.185]) 2007-10-08 10:07:54 H=mailgate5.uea.ac.uk [139.222.130.185] F=<richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk> rejected RCPT <events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk>: Unrouteable address and I get an "undeliverable" message from the UEA mail server (see below). Does anyone know why my Exim is not forwarding mail correctly? I'm afraid I don't really understand email and consequently I don't know exactly what's wrong here. When a message is sent to, e.g., events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk, does it go to some uea.ac.uk server first (mailgate5.uea.ac.uk?) and then does this server attempt to begin an SMTP conversation with my server? If so, is my server engaging with it correctly? And why is my server rejecting mail? (/Is/ my server rejecting mail?) Is it because it can't forward it to richard.lewis(a)uea.ac.uk? If not, why not? When I first set this up (in June, I think) I'm sure it used to work. Someone on #alug suggested that sending mail to canonical domain names (which studios.uea.ac.uk is) is not a good idea? Could this be the problem? But if it is, why do I see evidence of a connection in my Exim log? Surely if it was not possible to send mail to CNAME domains, it wouldn't even begin a connection? Any information would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Richard -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+ > Return-Path: <> > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on aquila > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 > autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 > Delivered-To: unknown > Received: from mail.messagingengine.com (66.111.4.52) by aquila > with IMAP4; 08 Oct 2007 09:10:04 -0000 > Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal > [10.202.2.41]) by store11m.internal (Cyrus v2.3.9-fmsvn12891) > with LMTPA; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:07:56 -0400 > X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3 > X-Resolved-to: richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk > X-Delivered-to: richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk > X-Mail-from: > Received: from mx2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.201]) > by compute1.internal (LMTPProxy); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:07:56 > -0400 Received: from mailgate5.uea.ac.uk (mailgate5.uea.ac.uk > [139.222.130.185]) by mx2.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with > ESMTP id D97521DE10A for <richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk>; Mon, 8 > Oct 2007 05:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eximuea by > mailgate5.uea.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Ieoag-0003rn-Fe > for richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:07:54 +0100 > X-Failed-Recipients: events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated > From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon(a)uea.ac.uk> > To: richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > Message-Id: <E1Ieoag-0003rn-Fe(a)mailgate5.uea.ac.uk> > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:07:54 +0100 > X-Length: 3185 > X-UID: 1742 > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of > its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following > address(es) failed: > > events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk > SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT > TO:<events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk>: host musariada.mus.uea.ac.uk > [139.222.208.19]: > 550 Unrouteable address > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. > ------ > > Return-path: <richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk> > Received: from [139.222.131.82] (helo=ueams4) > by mailgate5.uea.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) > id 1IeoaU-0003mk-AU > for events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:07:54 +0100 > Received: from [139.222.208.38] (helo=rjl.mus.uea.ac.uk) > by ueams4 with esmtp (Exim 4.66) > (envelope-from <richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk>) > id 1IeoaU-00046I-6a > for events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:07:42 +0100 > From: Richard Lewis <richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk> > To: events(a)studios.uea.ac.uk > Subject: TEST > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:07:40 +0100 > User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > Message-Id: <200710081007.41262.richardlewis(a)fastmail.co.uk> > X-UEA-Spam-Score: -2.8 > X-UEA-Spam-Level: -- > X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO > > TEST > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Richard Lewis > http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ > JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| > |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | > +-------------------------------------------------------+

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Postfix problems - local email has stopped
by Barry Samuels 08 Oct '07

08 Oct '07

I was trying to enable SASL support for Postfix but couldn't get it to work and have now tried to disable it again and although outside mail still seems to be arriving local mail is stuck in the queue. Postfix -p gives: -Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient------- 0C8EF34FA4 1892 Mon Oct 8 14:02:04 logcheck@mydomain (mail transport unavailable) barry@mydomain Nothing I've done will shift this. If I restart Postfix I get this in syslog: postfix/master[9161]: daemon started -- version 2.4.5, configuration etc/postfix postfix/postfix-script[9182]: refreshing the Postfix mail system postfix/master[9161]: reload configuration /etc/postfix postfix/qmgr[9188]: 0C8EF34FA4: from=<logcheck@mydomain>, size=1892, nrcpt=1 (queue active) postfix/smtp[9198]: fatal: garbage after numerical service in server description: [127.0.0.1]:10024 smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd postfix/qmgr[9188]: warning: private/smtp-amavis socket: malformed response postfix/qmgr[9188]: warning: transport smtp-amavis failure -- see a previous warning/fatal/panic logfile record for the problem description postfix/qmgr[9188]: warning: connect to transport retry: No such file or directory postfix/master[9161]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtp pid 9198 exit status 1 postfix/master[9161]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling Some emergency help would be appreciated. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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[ALUG Announce] 2nd Thursday Norwich Meet : Reindeer, Dereham Road
by Jonathan McDowell 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Second Thursday" ALUG Norwich Pub Meet is this Thursday, 11th October. It will probably be my last for the foreseeable future as I'm moving back to Northern Ireland in a couple of weeks. It's at the Reindeer pub on the Dereham Road, just opposite the City Gate. People will be there from 8pm-ish, though there may be a few people there earlier. Topics for discussion will no doubt be as varied as ever. The Reindeer has a reasonable selection of beer as well as decent coffee (with biscuits, if you're lucky). Directions to the Reindeer can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html Pictures of some of the regulars, and irregulars, and, well, just some pictures of people that might or might not turn up are available from: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2007-05-ALUG/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2006-02-ALUG/ http://the.earth.li/~noodles/stilvoid-alug/mp20050811/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2005-01-ALUG-Xmas/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ Which should hopefully aid those of you wondering who to look out for - the most recent images are from the meet a few months back. We now have an area reserved for us, so should be easier to find. As you enter through the main door you'll see a small set of steps ahead of you - the area just up those steps and to the left is where we'll be. J. -- ] http://www.earth.li/~noodles/ [] "It only counts as a lie-in if you [ ] PGP/GPG Key @ the.earth.li [] don't get dressed before tea [ ] via keyserver, web or email. [] time." -- Steve Willison [ ] RSA: 4DC4E7FD / DSA: 5B430367 [] [ ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Determining configure options from debian source packages
by Mark Rogers 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

How do I determine the options used for ./configure when a .deb package was built? I want to build a new package from a newer version of the software and make it as close to a drop-in replacement as possible, so getting the ./configure options right is presumably important. As a broader question, is there a generally good way to do this type of thing? I'm currently planning to get the ./configure right, then make / checkinstall -D and see what I get. The package in question is dspam (3.6.8 in repos, 3.8 I want). -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Stopping Apache running scripts from writeable directories
by Mark Rogers 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

Is it possible to prevent Apache from running a script from a writeable directory? It's common these days to have some writeable directories with (for example) CMS packages like Joomla, which use them for uploaded images etc. However I have a server that's been exploited through a badly written plugin which used the normal upload mechanism to upload the script, then ran the script directly via an HTTP request to the uploaded file. That script was used to send spam, so despite the limited write permissions it was restricted to it was still able to do a lot of harm. Any of my own code which requires this always puts the writeable directories outside docroot but that doesn't seem to be an option with Joomla and others like her. I appreciate that they could still be "included" through abuse of a badly written script in a read-only directory, but that's at least an order of magnitude harder. I know that the ability to upload new templates/plugins/etc would break if I achieve what I'm asking, but it's no big deal having a script which adds temporary write permissions whilst installing a module and removes them afterwards. Allowing end users to upload avatars and other images seems to be the way of the world these days though. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Java plugins
by Yvonne Everett 03 Oct '07

03 Oct '07

Hi I've got an application that runs through a web browser. While this works fine through IE I cant get the correct plugin to get it working through Firefox on Linux. The plugin for IE is: jre-1_5_0-windows-i586.exe Through Adept (I'm running Kubuntu Edgy) I've searched for "jre" and have selected "sun-java5-jre" to install but this comes back with errors committing changes and doesnt complete. Any suggestions most welcome!!?? -- Yvonne Everett Email: ye103910(a)googlemail.com

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OT: Possible web server setup work for interested parties
by Ashley Howes 03 Oct '07

03 Oct '07

Hi, I know a few of you in ALUG have experience setting up web servers on a commerical basis. I run my own web development company and have the need for the configuration of a dedicated box. The box will run a single domain with Apache / PHP / mySQL. I need to find someone who has the experience to configure a Ubuntu-based box. Tasks include setting up the domain, DNS, setup mail/SMTP, make changes to Apache config to possibily extend script execution times, etc. If you can help, please email me off-list. Please let me know rates, experience and availability. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide. -- Ashley

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Re: [ALUG] LinuXmas Celebrations
by samwise 02 Oct '07

02 Oct '07

This time to the list!! On 29/09/2007, David Reynolds <david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk> wrote: > Peter, > > ALUG Christmas meals seem to traditionally happen early in the year > after the Christmas in question - mainly because it's difficult to > book somewhere and organise everyone around the Christmas period. > > Last Christmas' celebration, for example, was a meal earlier this > year at the Reindeer. > > Thanks, > > David David, I'm all for doing something in the new year, if that's easier for people's diaries. You've missed the big point tho ... we're now at two ends of the region. :) Understandable that it's been traditional of late to hold it at the Reindeer, but now we have two groups do we want: a) two separate events (open to all) or b) one combined event (either located in Ipswich or Norwich* with the expectation of travel, or located somewhere between the two) On 29/09/2007, Venura Mendis <venuram(a)gmail.com> wrote: > sounds like a plan pete. happy with go with separate or single big > event. I havent done a night out in norwich! a day out also sounds > cool. Not being v helpful here but am happy either way Nope, support is great - sounds like at least one other person down here would be willing to travel north, which is a good thing to know! If noone else from our end speaks up, I've no problem with us just going up to the belated Xmas meal in Norwich in the New Year ... Peter. * Assuming that the Ipswich meets continue strongly through the next year too, we could alternate years i.e. one year, Ipswich, one year Norwich.

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Where does mysql put its databases - and what are they called?
by Chris G 02 Oct '07

02 Oct '07

I need to find a database! :-) On my Slackware installation I had (well, still have if I start it) a database called 'addresses'. I want to copy it across to the Fedora installation so that mysql on Fedora can see the database. However I can't find the database. I've tried 'locate addresses' but nothing there looks remotely like a database file (or files). I suspect that mysql buries all of its databases in one big file somewhere but what's it called? Thinking about it maybe what I need to do is boot up the Slackware installation and export the addresses database from mysql, then import it into the Fedora installation. Alternatively maybe I could just copy the whole of the mysql data across over the top of the Fedora files which only have the basics and a root user at the moment. -- Chris Green

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Using a virtual machine to build packages
by Mark Rogers 02 Oct '07

02 Oct '07

I sometimes find I need to build applications from source for use on a live server. I don't like the idea of installing build tools on the server, so I want to create a virtual machine on my desktop to build the applications so all I need to do is install them on the server. As a specific example, I have an Ubuntu-based mail server using postfix (installed from repositories). However, I need to add virtual mailbox quota support, using the patches here: http://vda.sourceforge.net/ So my theory is that I can create a new Ubuntu VM, install the postfix source package and compile tools, apply the patch, then build the .deb from that to install on the live server, replacing the version in the repositories. Is that a sensible approach? If yes, although I have a rough idea what is needed I'm on the edge of my knowledge. Once I have the source installed and patched (assuming that the instructions with the patch help me get that far!) how do I then build the .deb, and how to I install it so that it doesn't conflict with the existing package from the repositories? PS: Rereading the above before posting, it might come across that I'm asking for help setting up the VM - that bit I can do. It's the step sideways from a complete binary install from repositories which is making me nervous! Mark Rogers

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