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RE: [ALUG] How to
by J.R. Seago 30 Apr '07

30 Apr '07

Thank you both Tim and Ted. It appears that I have all I need on my machine. -- J.R. Seago GNU/Linux Registered User No. #219566 http://counter.li.org/ () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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Unwanted control characters in terminal
by Chris Lamb 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

Alug, When I press Ctrl-Left/Right, Shift-Left/Right, or Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn, etc. on the console I get curious control codes like ";5D". Any pointers on how to get sane functionality back? /Lamby -- Chris Lamb, Leamington Spa, UK GPG: 0x634F9A20

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Fw: [wuglug] Upcoming UK events
by Chris Lamb 29 Apr '07

29 Apr '07

Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:48:03 +0100 From: Chris Lamb <chris(a)chris-lamb.co.uk> To: WUGLUG - Warwick University GNU/Linux User Group <wuglug(a)lists.wuglug.org.uk> Subject: [wuglug] Upcoming UK events [0] Debconf 17-23 June Edinburgh [1] aKademy 2007 30-7 July Glasgow [2] LugRadio Live 2007 7-8 July Wolverhapton [3] Guadec 15-21 July Birmingham [4] LinuxConf Europe 2-4 September Cambridge [5] PyCon UK 8-9 September Birmingham [6] LinuxWorld 2007 23-24 October London [0] http://www.debconf.org/ [1] http://akademy.kde.org/ [2] http://www.lugradio.org/live/ [3] http://www.guadec.org/ [4] http://www.linuxconf.eu/2007/index.shtml [5] http://www.pyconuk.org/ [6] http://www.linuxworldexpo.co.uk/ /Lamby -- Chris Lamb, Leamington Spa, UK GPG: 0x634F9A20 _______________________________________________ WUGLUG mailing list WUGLUG(a)lists.wuglug.org.uk https://www.warwickcompsoc.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/wuglug

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Re: [ALUG] Linux
by Wayne Stallwood 27 Apr '07

27 Apr '07

On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 23:18 +0100, Mark and Jenny Myatt wrote: > Hi Wayne -thanks > (and also to Nick Daniels) > > I could not get into the Bios settings at all. Not by f2,f8;f10. After much trial and error I discovered the problem was caused by my Labtec keyboard, even though the bios had legacy enabled. So I changed it for an old spare one. This enabled me to get into my bios and change the sequence so that I can now boot up from a DVD/CD as necessary. I am now trying out a number of live distros but quit a few stall after being partly loaded but I have tried ones that do work. SimplyMepis and Knoppix. Try playing with some of the boot time options with the others, sometimes it is possible to bring up a help screen on the boot prompt that will guide you with these. Look in particular at options to disable acpi and apic. > Just a thought. I run windows 2000 Prof and the NFTS system. I need to have a dual booting system. Reports in the press seem to indicate this can cause a problem with linux software. Is this correct and if so is it possible for the NFTS to be converted back to fat32? > Writing to NTFS is not considered a stable feature in the kernel, not because it doesn't work but because it was a product of reverse engineering the NTFS filesystem. The latest version of Ubuntu (and I think knoppix) both support writing to NTFS volumes..some other distributions will support read only. Conversion back to fat32 is possible with 3rd party tools but not recommended, mainly because it is possible to have conditions in an NTFS filesystem that are not valid in fat32 (files over fat's file size limit, maximum path length etc etc) With either the conversion or writing to NTFS from Ubuntu I would recommend you take a backup of any important data first.

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Linux
by Mark and Jenny Myatt 27 Apr '07

27 Apr '07

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[Fwd: [IET Anglian Coastal Network] - 3rd May Talk on Linux in Classrooms in Developing Countries]
by Ian bell 27 Apr '07

27 Apr '07

I thought this might be of interest to ALUGers. Ian

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Re: [ALUG] Laptop/UPS
by J.R. Seago 26 Apr '07

26 Apr '07

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 10:49, "Tim Green" <timothy.j.green(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Have you simulated a power cut yet? Indeed I have, and I've found the snag, my monitor runs from a transformer, that has a standard three pin plug, and even though the computer doesn't go down I cant see what's happening enough to shut it off, (I work with/through the GUI). I'll have to find a way round that, but at the moment I'm happy that it will run the computer long enough that the power will come back before it gets shut down involuntarily. -- J.R. Seago GNU/Linux Registered User No. #219566 http://counter.li.org/ () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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Wiki: IRCUsers & Who's Where? pages
by samwise 26 Apr '07

26 Apr '07

Hi, Two wiki pages listing ALUG members have evolved - one is a general list of people, whilst the latter is a small list of IRC nicknames -> real names. I think it makes more sense to just add the latter as a column to the former ... anyone any objections? Relatedly, there's a big dump of people at the bottom of the Who's Where? page which has been cut and pasted from the old site. Do we want to keep this or would it be better to expect active users to re-add themselves? I could re-format the entries to the new table, but some seem pretty old ... Anyone want to put their 2p's worth in? Peter.

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dual booting probs
by elc 26 Apr '07

26 Apr '07

Went into terminal and tried suggestion and as many options I could figure - nothing, just got messages like 'invalid device requested' 'selected disk doesn't exist' 'error while parsing number' Does Terminal = Bash shell? or do I have to be somewhere else for the grub console - if so where please. Eric > tried this and got "bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'hd0,6' " > > > > Did I do something wrong? > > > > > You need to be at the grub console not the bash shell > > Type grub and press return to get to the grub console and then follow > Paul's instructions

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dual booting probs
by elc 25 Apr '07

25 Apr '07

I havn't been able to access this. It was suggested that I get access to the rescue mode from the Ubuntu media, and by typing 'linux rescue'. Trouble is I don't know where this Ubuntu media is. If I run the live cd while in windows I just get options to evaluate various applications, and if I boot up with the live cd it goes straight to install - no prompts to type at. Further help most appreciated. Eric > I must be doing something wrong. > > I booted from the live cd and worked thru "install" to "partition", > > checked "manual" partition, got to desktop, opened terminal, entered > > "grub-install /dev/hda" and got "cannot create directory /boot/grub > > :permission denied". > > > > Do you have any further thoughts/advice please. > > > > > > I think both Paul's suggestion and my one need to be done from the > recovery mode not the installer. How did you get on with the "linux > recovery" thing at the Installation/Live Cd's boot prompt ? > > Regards > Wayne

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Re: [ALUG] Laptop/UPS
by J.R. Seago 25 Apr '07

25 Apr '07

On Wednesday 25 April 2007 16:58, Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.co.uk> wrote: > Plugging a monitor in will just reduce runtime on the UPS (and therefore > it's usefulness) and a UPS that doesn't tell a PC to shut down when the > battery is getting too low is only slightly better than no UPS at all > (IMO) It does all sorts of things including ring me up to tell me that its on stand by, ring an alarm, send me an e-mail, I keep on finding new things it does when I should be doing other stuff, i.e. packing, its just that I need to find time to get round to setting up all the other things while I'm preparing to move, I may just wait until I've got there. -- J.R. Seago GNU/Linux Registered User No. #219566 http://counter.li.org/ () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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Software to add information to a map
by Chris G 25 Apr '07

25 Apr '07

I've only just thought of this idea but being able to do such a thing on a computer would be really, really useful (to me anyway!). What sort of software would be good at drawing routes and adding location information to a scanned map? I guess the gimp could do it but are there any applications more specifically for this sort of thing? Ideally the additions would be in their own layers so one could look at only the 'nice bridleways' or the 'good horse accomodation' additions. It would also be nice to be able to add notes to marked locations. -- Chris Green

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Wiki: NextMeeting macro
by Richard Lewis 25 Apr '07

25 Apr '07

Hello ALUG, I'm having a bit of a Poor Work Day today so I've written a macro for the ALUG Wiki which inserts the date of the next social meeting. Use it like this: [[NextMeeting(location[,show_venue])]] where location is either "norwich" or "ipswich" and show_venue is either "yes" or "no" (defaults to "no"). The parameters can be expressed in the keyword style: [[NextMeeting(ipswich,show_venue=yes)]] Right, I really should do some proper work. Cheers, Richard -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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dual booting probs
by elc 24 Apr '07

24 Apr '07

I must be doing something wrong. I booted from the live cd and worked thru "install" to "partition", checked "manual" partition, got to desktop, opened terminal, entered "grub-install /dev/hda" and got "cannot create directory /boot/grub :permission denied". Do you have any further thoughts/advice please. Eric > Anyway in addition to Paul's suggestion I think the reason the original > grub-install plan didn't work is that if you are running grub-install > from a drive other than the intended boot drive (i.e. you have booted > from a live cd and are running grub-install from there) then I think you > have to give the intended boot drive as an argument. > > So in your case > > grub-install /dev/hda > > There is no need to specify the partition number here, as grub should > then scan the whole drive for bootable partitions and rebuild/reinstall > grub for you. This is still assuming that you only have one physical > hard drive in your machine.

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dual booting probs
by elc 24 Apr '07

24 Apr '07

tried this and got "bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'hd0,6' " Did I do something wrong? Eric > Assuming root is on hda7, the grub command should have been `root (hd0,6)` > followed by `setup (hd0)`. > > Grub uses a numbering system starting at zero for it's drive designations > which isn't quite the same as Linux ;(. > >

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Laptop/UPS
by J.R. Seago 24 Apr '07

24 Apr '07

Thanks to all who gave an opinion or advice on the above matter. I now have an UPS sitting between the mains and my computer. At £110·00, an awful lot cheaper than a laptop, and now I've found the right wires to go in the right sockets, its siting there with its green light on, no installation problems, hardware not liking software, or any other problems that setting up a new computer would have. -- J.R. Seago GNU/Linux Registered User No. #219566 http://counter.li.org/ () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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Wiki
by David Reynolds 23 Apr '07

23 Apr '07

Hi, I just looked at the wiki and noticed that it hadn't been updated for a while and thought I'd ask how everyone was finding it? Are people finding it useful? Are people finding it easy to use / easy to add things to it, etc? Cheers, Dave -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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Help! X connections being refused
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 23 Apr '07

23 Apr '07

Hi Folks (and sorry for anu cross postings) Following a mysterious mishap when something on a website crashed my Firefox. the machine I was using is now not accepting X connections from either of my other two machines. I can't get to the bottom of it, and would welcome any suggestions. The basic symptom is: >From machine A (compo, the screwed-up one) I log in to either of my other two (say brandy) from an xterm in Gnome. On the remote login, I then issue the command 'xterm' and hope to see an xterm open on compo (as normally happens). Instead, I get the following message from the remote (brandy): ted@brandy:~ > xterm Xlib: connection to "compo.fort.knox.uk:0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified xterm Xt error: Can't open display: compo.fort.knox.uk:0.0 (Exactly the same message from the other remote machine) This situation arose immediately following the Firefox crash (Firefox running on compo, machine A). Connections which were already open continued to work. By now, though, I've tried (amongst other things) rebooting. and now there's no joy on any front. It makes no difference whether I'm root or an ordinary user eiher locally or remotely, nor whether I 'startx' as root or ordinary user/ (BTW, I can give some details of the remote web site which crashed Firefox if people think it may help, since I suspect it of monkey business. but will hold fire for the moment since it may not be relevant). With thanks (and I'm pretty pressed to get this working again!) Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 22-Apr-07 Time: 18:03:23 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Re: gparted
by Peter Alcibiades 23 Apr '07

23 Apr '07

Is there anything else to resize partitions? I use Acronis, have for several years. Its not free (but its cheap), its not open source either, but it will do anything you want with partitions of any sort, and its always worked perfectly. Amazon is the cheapest, or was when I bought the last copy. I wouldn't be without it. Peter

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Re: [ALUG] dual booting probs
by J.R. Seago 22 Apr '07

22 Apr '07

On Sunday 22 April 2007 12:00, Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.co.uk> wrote: > That's the second time on this thread that I have been halfway through > writing a reply when Paul has jumped in with a speedy response :-) Take the list as a digest, that way you can always give a considered answer. Mind you, unless you're careful, and read all the way through the digest, you can end up jumping in with the same answer that someone else has already given! -- J.R. Seago GNU/Linux Registered User No. #219566 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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dual booting probs
by elc＠freeola.net 22 Apr '07

22 Apr '07

First, I'm about as new as a newbie can get. Second, thanks for your suggestion, but I have done every which way I know to do as you suggest, but no luck. What I've done is to boot with a live cd (and I've used both Ubuntu and Kubuntu original cd's) gone into install, installed as far as partition and chosen "manual", chose not to format, and got to desktop. Opened terminal and 1) typed "grub-install" - and got something about not finding something (I didn't keep notes). 2) tried another way, typed "grub" - got "grub >" and typed " root (hda,7)", (which is where I think my root is) and got similar answer - cannot find ... etc. Perhaps I'm not doing this correctly. I've also tried to locate on my live cd's the rescue option (which everyone is saying is there) - perhaps I'm doing something wrong here to. Any suggestions warmly received, but please in terms of one syllable so that I can follow - and learn. I like linux, I want to use it instead of win98, don't want to pay Bill for anything else, but the early learning curve is a bit steep. Thanks Eric On Wednesday 18 April 2007 23:07, elc(a)freeola.net wrote: > > I'm dual booting win98SE and Ubuntu, and have had a choice menu on > > bootup of either Ubuntu or windows, Ubuntu being the default. > > Due to a need of having to re-install win98SE, I have now lost this menu > > option and thus cannot access linux. > > How can I get this menu choice back. > Boot up from a Live CD and run grub-install. Regards, Paul.

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Hello
by Louis King 21 Apr '07

21 Apr '07

Just stumbled across ALUG and are quite interested in joining. My two colleagues Dewi Roberts and Craig Fordham and I would like to attend the next Ipswich social meeting on 3rd Monday of May. Just missed this months event yesterday. We work for a Linux centric software development company in Ipswich ( www.ipfour.co.uk) All of our server infrastructure and running Debian and Ubuntu, as well as all of our desktops and laptops. We are regular contributors to UbuntuGuide.org We have development skills involving PHP, Perl, Bash, Java, XML, XSLT, FOP, Apache Cocoon, Hibernate, Spring, Symfony etc Anyone else with similar interests and skills? -- LOUIS KING Research & Development Manager tel:// (0870) 9970304 fax:// (0870) 1306328 eml:// l.king(a)in-time.co.uk ================================= InTIME Timesheet Technology Fisons House 159 Princes Street Ipswich Suffolk IP1 1QH =================================

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IPLUG Meeting
by Yvonne Everett 20 Apr '07

20 Apr '07

Meeting tonight? I'm a bit new to this mailing list so might have missed any talks about it. Would you be able to tell me where and when this meeting is, and if anyone can come along or is it by invite only? Thanks and regards Yvonne Everett Email: ye103910(a)googlemail.com

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Ubuntu/Debian and MySQL
by Mark Rogers 20 Apr '07

20 Apr '07

My understanding is that the standard MySQL startup scripts (for use in init.d) have the option of using mysqlmanager instead of mysqld_safe. The packaged versions for Debian (and therefore Ubuntu) do not have that option. Is anyone here running via mysqlmanager on a Debian-based system? How best should I go about it? NB: I have no experience of mysqlmanager but I need multiple mysqld instances and I think that's the way to go? I'm using MySQL version 5.0.22. mysqlmanager itself is installed. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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ADMIN : Reminder that Alug is (generally) a plain text only list
by Adam Bower 20 Apr '07

20 Apr '07

Hi, List admin hadn't been done for a while and I've let through quite a few posts that have an html part attached. Could I remind/ask everyone who does post to the list to try and make sure they try to configure their client to send in plain text only. Or, if that isn't possible could they use a different mail service to send to the list? Sending mail to the list in html creates extra work for the admins and isn't necessary. I will let some posts from new subscribers with an html part through to the list but if you continue to do so you will get a reminder and your post will be deleted and you will have to resend it. If after a couple of reminders you carry on doing it then your mail will eventually just be silently discarded. If you need help on configuring your mail client to send in plain text then this page has some hints/tips http://www.expita.com/nomime.html if you are still stuck then please send a mail to the list asking for help and I'll let your mail through so that everyone can provide help/advice. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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