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RE: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by Tracy Dickerson 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Please, this is not a get at iPlug or ALUG day. Why is it being treated as one. What is wrong with us at iPlug having a wiki of our own? Do we have to do everything together? If so, why have separate names? Now people, play nice. This was only our first meeting. Do not lets spoil something that was good and fun and interesting with nasty fighting when there is nothing to fight about. Tracy x -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: 20 February 2007 14:23 To: samwise(a)bagshot-row.org; main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting samwise <samwise(a)bagshot-row.org> wrote: [...] > That said, the consensus last night seemed to me that a flexible wiki > was a priority for us and, therefore, I'm going to go ahead and set > that up before the next meet under the iPlug name (a branch of ALUG). > I hope this doesn't come across as a an attempt to splinter the ALUG > community, but I truly don't want to pile on pressure and deadlines to > a community which, I'm sure, has been doing perfectly well on its own > so far ... ;) Yes, I feel it comes across as an attempt to splinter the ALUG. Why not use the flexible wiki at http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/ ? It's only 'not open' because there's been some low-maintenance efforts to block spammers. If you want to replace the WikiEngine, change the anti-spam and revamp the content, I'm sure many people would welcome that. The webmasters could either give you ssh, ftp or a redirect. I tried to replace it in the past, but lack of familiarity with modern wikis and a worker going silent mid-change meant it never happened. > If ALUG moves towards the same open model at any point in the future, Huh? How is ALUG not open? Have the cabal suddenly moved in and locked it down in the few months since I left? I doubt it. All you have to do is pick a job and start doing it yourselves. You don't have to "pile on pressure and deadlines" to anyone. I suggest starting by either editing the pages with the "Edit Page" links or getting website access of a type you like from either: David Reynolds Sionide and if they don't move: Jonathan McDowell Me (maybe) should still also have access and can add access, while: Darren Casey Jonathan McDowell Martyn Drake UKLUGS (Andy Smith?) control the web hosting and domains IIRC. I'm sure one of those will have time to open the door to you. I think iPlug seems to have a bad case of 'Not Invented Here' and is unwilling to cooperate with its neighbours. I feel it's particularly stupid to split an existing web site when lugmasters have been looking at merging/co-hosting dynamic sites, to ease maintenance: there just aren't enough webmaster-hours to go round. If iPlug has spare webmaster-hours, please share them! Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Somerset, England. Work/Laborejo: http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ IRC/Jabber/SIP: on request/peteble. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by Syd Hancock 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

ALUG operates over a wide geographical area which is one reason why it functions mainly through email. Meetings and new wikis etc do not 'splinter' that but add to it. As I have said several years ago, IMHO more frequent and more local meetings would be good (and was willing to be involved with organising, as some will recall). Good luck to anyone who wants to organise more frequent small meetings in the area where they live. Ignore the people who will shout you down and criticise - later they will say 'no-one ever does anything'. There is this thing called 'freedom' you know, just go ahead and do what you want to do and call it what you want to call it. Incidentally IMNSHO some of the responses from the old guard here go a long way to explain why ALUG is not expanding even though linux use in the region, as everywhere, certainly is. There is certainly room for other alternatives as well as ALUG. But then, some people dare to think that there should be more distros than just d*bi*n or even there should be alternatives to G**me, heh... Syd

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Horrible file browser - how can I change it?
by Eur Ing Chris Green 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

The default file browser that appears when, for example, I try to open a file from Firefox is awful. I get the same file selector for most applications now, it's a fairly recent 'imporvement', I've only had since I upgraded to Slackware 11. The whole thing is decidedly counter-intuitive, for me at least. There's no sort of helpful form to it. Across the top the directory hierarchy is a row of buttons, it took me a while before I realised it *was* the directory hierarchy. At the left the window with directory names in it - what's it for? Why is "/" called "File System", "File System" doesn't mean root to me. It's all *HORRIBLE*! :-) Can anyone tell me if it's possible to change this? (I'm running fvwm2 as my Window Manager by the way). -- Chris Green

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Mail archiving tools
by Eur Ing Chris Green 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

I'm looking for a mail archiving utility, or some suggestions for how to do it myself, and/or learning what others do. I have quite a lot of incoming mail from lists like this, personal mail, etc. I read it and most of it gets deleted after a few days but some I save in a moderately deep directory hierarchy. E.g. I have Mail/holidays/2005 Mail/holidays/2006 ... ... Mail/shopping/computers Mail/shopping/electrical .... I'd like to move whole directories and/or mailboxes out of my 'current' mail hierarchy into a backup hierachy so that the backup hierarchy has everything in it whereas the current one is a bit more thinned out and up-to-date so it's easier to navigate. I don't want to move mail out just on the basis of its date, last year's shopping is much less useful than last year's personal E-Mail for example. I almost have what I want using rsync. I simply copy the whole of my current hierarchy to a backup (from here, which is remote, to my home system) with the --delete parameter. Then I make a further rsync copy from the backup to an archive area *without* the --delete. This means that if I delete a folder from my working E-Mail it also disappears from the backup but not from the archive. The problem is that I want an easy to use tool to manipulate mail folders, if I'm sitting looking at my mail it's not all that easy to move stuff about from within my MUA. What would be perfect would be a way of marking messages/folders with a flag indicating that at the next overnight backup they should be moved to the archive. Are there any mail archiving tools that can do my rsync trick but with an easier interface and/or can anyone suggest any other ways of getting what I want? (BTW the mail is sitting on a remote BSD box to which I have ssh access, GUI tools for manipulating the mailboxes are probably not appropriate) -- Chris Green

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RE: [ALUG] Re: Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by Tracy Dickerson 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

That sounds a great plan. I will add it to my page plan for the Wiki (have been thinking about this seriously you see. This is the great thing about a Wiki, they grow and develop more with each user that has a idea. *big smiles* Tracy x -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eur Ing Chris Green Sent: 20 February 2007 09:53 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] Re: Re: IpLUG - Meeting On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:17:48AM -0000, keith.jamieson(a)bt.com wrote: > > > I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of > > > text > > > books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could > > > > make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do > > > something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever > > > understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given > > > them). > > > > > I have quite a few, some I'd quite happily donate whereas others I'd > > want to keep but would be very happy to lend. > > I have quite a few books which can be borrowed, but are mainly > application types. Are we going to get a central list on the > forum^H^H^H^H^H Wiki ? :) > This too sounds like a perfect Wiki application doesn't it. Anyone willing to lend/donate books can add them to an appropriate section of the Wiki, maybe with a comment or two as to whether the book is good or not and its audience. People who borrow the book can add further comments. I suggest two 'classes' of books, 'donated' and 'lent'. Donated books could just stay with a borrower until someone else wanted them, it means that the hassle of moving them on to the next reader isn't down to the original donor. Lent books on the other hand would be expected to be returned to the original owner. -- Chris Green _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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RE: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by keith.jamieson＠bt.com 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 08:33:36AM -0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote: > Hey fellas, > > Thank you for a fab evening. It was good to meet new people (and old > friends.) > Yes, same here. <AOL> Me too </AOL> :) > Would it be a good idea to have a code library kinda thing where we > place useful command line commands etc. Okay, this would help me, but > I think that we could all learn stuff from doing this kinda thing. > That sounds like an ideal wiki sort of thing. > I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of text > books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could > make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do > something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever > understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given > them). > I have quite a few, some I'd quite happily donate whereas others I'd want to keep but would be very happy to lend. I have quite a few books which can be borrowed, but are mainly application types. Are we going to get a central list on the forum^H^H^H^H^H Wiki ? :) Keith

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IpLUG - Meeting
by Tracy Dickerson 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Hey fellas, Thank you for a fab evening. It was good to meet new people (and old friends.) Would it be a good idea to have a code library kinda thing where we place useful command line commands etc. Okay, this would help me, but I think that we could all learn stuff from doing this kinda thing. I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of text books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given them). Just a couple of ideas that would not let me sleep last night *yawn*. Tracy x

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Any Evolution users out there ?
by Wayne Stallwood 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

I have an annoying problem with the message filters in Evolution. I have a rule that says When the source account is X move message to folder Y It copies the message to folder Y but leaves a copy in the inbox as well (i.e I end up with two copies of the message) This is on evolution 2.8.1 (as packaged with Ubuntu Edgy) Thinking that one of the many other rules that run below that one (to filter spam and so on) was breaking things I just added a "stop processing" after the move operation. This makes no difference. It only seems to be a problem with the source account rule, other rules I have which move based on recipient address or subject line are working fine, but why would the filter criteria change the way the filter action behaves ? Can anybody else with evolution replicate this ?

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Testing Ububtu 6.10
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hi Folks, This evening I downloaded the ISO for Ubuntu 6.10 (the latest), burnt it to CD, and gave it a whirl (using the CD as a live CD). Quite a lot of fun really -- this is designed to appeal! But I had a weird experience with printing. I used the GUI to add a printer. It autodetected my HP Laserjet 1300 and proposed (which I accepted) the PostScript driver for it. Then I opened one of its Examples files (an Open Office "doc") in OpenOffice Writer ("Word" to you ...), and tried printing it. Nothing happened. 'lpq' showed that the job was queued and printing, but nothing happened at the printer. Eventually, I killed the job with 'lprm', went back to the document, and printed it to file "test.ps". I checked (using "less") that this was PostScript. Then, at the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1, user = "ubuntu"), I tried lpr test.ps and nothing happened. I then tried cat test.ps > /dev/lp0 and got "Permission denied". So I tried (being aware of the issue) sudo cat test.ps >/dev/lp0 with the same result. Permissions on /dev/lp0 were something like (should have written it down ... ) rw- rw- --- root root So I bit the bullet, executed sudo passwd root thus creating a "normal" root account. The I logged in as root, cd'd to /home/ubuntu, and again did cat test.ps > /dev/lp0 and this time it worked. This suggests that "ordinary" users ("ubuntu" in this case) don't have permission to print -- no doubt there's a work-round, but it was not offered up in the printer installation dialogue. But when (still as root) I did lpr test.ps I got the message that no printer was available! So it looks as though resources like a printer are set up on a per-user basis! This all strikes me as a weird and bewildering tangle. I find Ubuntu's marginalising of root irritating anyway, but the rest of it seems just crazy. And this is supposed to be "Linux for the masses" ... Maybe I've misunderstood something, or missed some obvious trick, so I'd welcome comments. In case it may be relevant: when I booted off the CD, I chose the "Safe Graphics Mode" option. With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 18-Feb-07 Time: 22:00:45 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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RE: FW: [ALUG] Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

*smile* I darn hope so............ Tracy -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian bell Sent: 19 February 2007 16:30 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: FW: [ALUG] Hello Tracy Dickerson wrote: > I am attending > the gym first and coming straight from there I trust this includes a pit stop at the showers ;-) Ian _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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FW: [ALUG] Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hey, Really excited about the meeting this evening, where abouts will you guys be sitting or will it be really obvious to me when I walk in? Also, does anyone know what time they serve food until? I am attending the gym first and coming straight from there so will be a tad famished, (I will try get eating done before the beginning of the meeting.) Laters Tracy -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tracy Dickerson Sent: 14 February 2007 16:15 To: samwise; main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [ALUG] Hello Sounds just grand Peter. I will look forward to the talks, should be very interesting and informative. I can see I might be more in tune with my 'puter before long which will be very nice. We do not really get on to be fair. lol Will be good to meet other people who use or have used Fedora because when I get in a muddle, my 'sysadmin' lives in Worcester! Looking forward very much to Monday. Tracy. -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of samwise Sent: 14 February 2007 16:07 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Hello > Is there any kind of agenda, or will this one be a meet and greet? Well, there has been one small meeting so far, before I started publicising the LUG more widely and the five members who attended that one expressed an interesting in having a half-hour or so interactive presentation by a member on whatever topic interested them - how to compile software, build your own kernel, run virtual machines, use an iPod, archive a CD collection etc. However, as there may be lots of new people (hopefully), I think we'll keep it fairly flexible again for this one and just get an idea of what everyone else wants to get out of our LUG too. So, I've said I'll bring along a laptop with some information about using a virtual server under Kubuntu, but we may not get into that. There are also a few other things we need to finalise, but it will be mostly meet & greet. > Although I have been using differing flavours of Red Hat and Fedora > over a fair few years, I would not say I have much experience with the > innards of them. I would like to learn more about using the command > prompt as I get lost very very easily. So if some of my questions > could get answered along the way I would be very happy indeed. No problem, Tracy! We have at least one other regular Fedora user and I've used a number of variants of it myself as well ... I'm sure you'll get some new things to try before the meet's over. :) Ooh ... I've just had an idea - maybe we should have a regular Agony Aunt slot in the meeting, for people to tell everyone else what they're stuck with! :) If we get a wiki up and running, I can see that coming in handy with that! Peter. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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(no subject)
by Matthew 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hello all, The welcome mail suggests that new users say a few words about why they're here, so here goes: I've run a Debian web server since mid 2004, supporting a handful of data-driven websites and providing mail, ftp and so on for me and the odd friend. On occasion I've played with Linux machines at home: I currently use an old PC as a firewall/router and have another acting as a VMWare host so that I can easily deploy & destroy whatever toy project catches my eye that week. I only briefly used it as a desktop OS: I put it on a dying laptop once the heat issues became too much for it to run WinXP, but only coaxed a few more weeks out of it before the inevitable catastrophic hardware failure. In terms of helpful knowledge, experience and so on, I know next to nothing about X-servers, window managers and the like. Mainly I know about internet services, and the odd bit of local networking. Matthew

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RE: [ALUG] Re: FW: Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

It is at the Milestone Beerhouse, behind the old Odeon. Meeting starts at 20.00 I believe; ending at 22.00. Laters Tracy -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eur Ing Chris Green Sent: 19 February 2007 10:20 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] Re: FW: Hello On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 10:09:09AM -0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote: > Hey, > > Really excited about the meeting this evening, where abouts will you > guys be sitting or will it be really obvious to me when I walk in? > > Also, does anyone know what time they serve food until? I am attending > the gym first and coming straight from there so will be a tad > famished, (I will try get eating done before the beginning of the > meeting.) > Can you folks remind me where this meeting is (and the approximate time) as I'm footloose and fancy free this evening (my wife is working late in London) so I may be able to come along. -- Chris Green _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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"Hidden partitions"
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hi Folks, I understand that many laptops have BIOS-admin and diagnostic programs stored in a "hidden partition" on the hard drive -- usually accessed by pressing a function key during the first stage of booting. Any suggestions about a) How to find out where this partition is (e.g. starting and ending cylinders) -- indeed to find out whether it is there in the first place? b) How to (e.g.) wipe that other OS off the drive and install Linux without affecting this hidden partition? With thanks, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 18-Feb-07 Time: 09:47:49 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Compile errors
by Barry Samuels 18 Feb '07

18 Feb '07

I'm still fiddling with this new Asus P5W DH mainboard of mine. I've given up with trying to get the IDE DVD drive working and the people that sold me my current DVD drive last November, and the P5W mainboard, have offered to swap that drive for a SATA version so I shall try that. However - on to the reason for this post. I'd like to try and get the on-board Realtek 8187 wireless working so I downloaded the latest drivers from the Realtek site only to have the compile fail. So before I make a fool of myself by emailing Realtek could there be any other reason for the failure apart from faulty code? This is what I get: ieee80211_softmac.c:2168:78: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c: In function 'ieee80211_softmac_init': ieee80211_softmac.c:2168: error: 'INIT_WORK' undeclared (first use in this function) ieee80211_softmac.c:2168: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ieee80211_softmac.c:2168: error: for each function it appears in.) ieee80211_softmac.c:2169:88: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2170:94: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2171:96: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2172:82: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2173:82: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 I'm using gcc-4.1. The only 'c' I understand has tides. :-)) -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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HTML Mail
by Mark Ridley 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

I'm not trying to stir up an argument here, but why do people hate HTML mail so much? Most modern mail tools display HTML just fine, and the overhead needed to send a bulkier mail message is negligible. I'm one of these people that use multiple mail clients, depending on which box I'm using, and it really doesn't matter to me. Although I send mail mails plain text, it never bothers me when I receive HTML mail. Just curious as to how people feel about it. -Mark ----------------------------------------------------------- This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. This information is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy any copy of this message.

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Re: Asus P5W DH Deluxe mainboard and IDE interfaces
by Barry Samuels 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

I've had to have a two day break from this thread because I decided to try my two hard drives on the JMicron interface and the DVD drive on the Intel interface. The mainboard manual says the JMicron interface supports up to 2 devices. The short version of the story is that I ended up with the file systems on both drives comprehensively trashed! Linux is normally very good at recovering from file system errors but it couldn't do anything with these. The long story: After swapping interfaces I booted the machine using a Knoppix v5.1 CD, because I'd need to change device names in a couple of files, but went into the BIOS first. The DVD registered as the first primary drive in the first main menu screen as expected but it seems very odd that once in the BIOS any devices connected to the JMicron interface are not listed anywhere. Drives are set as Master and Slave. They are shown, briefly for about 5 seconds, just before entering the BIOS and it was here that I noticed that only one hard drive was shown after the heading 'HDD:' but the name that followed was just a random collection of letters and numbers, the font was also broken up (characters had gaps in them), and that line of text was flashing. I left the BIOS and continued with the boot into Linux and tried mounting one of the partitions. On seeing the message that 'the filesystem has errors' I didn't go any further but closed down the system. I then swapped the cables back to their original positions and tried to boot but it hung a short way into the process. I decided to swap the primary drive and DVD drive back into my old machine and boot from the same Live CD to examine the hard drive. The contents were basically rubbish! I spent quite a lot of yesterday restoring from tape which, as there is a fair amount of data, was a rather slow business. The tape was up to date as far as early yesterday morning so I lost a couple of unimportant emails but that was it. So I'm not over impressed with the JMicron interface so far. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Asus P5W DH Deluxe mainboard and IDE interfaces
by Barry Samuels 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

On 16/02/07 10:15:17, Eur Ing Chris Green wrote: > On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:42:57AM +0000, Barry Samuels wrote: > > > > On 16/02/07 08:37:00, Eur Ing Chris Green wrote: > > BTW I took a look at the Asus 5W HD manual and there are a couple of > interesting little snippets:- > > Under the JMicron IDE interface description it says "This > connector does not support ATAPI devices", so you can't put CD > (or DVD) drives on it I guess. Yes I've seen that but it will boot and run from a Live CD on that interface and I have seen comments from other Linux users about trying to get CD/DVD drives working on that interface. So I'm not sure quite what it means. > Under the Intel IDE interface description it says "Install > devices on this connector (PRI_IDE) first, then install on the > JMicron IDE connector, ...". The Intel interface had the DVD drive on it and the two hard drives on the JMicron so that should satisfy that requirement. It would be useful if I could trace the problem to something that I had done. Then, at least, I would have a satisfactory explanation. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Samba / Machintosh issue
by Stuart Bailey 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

Hi , I have a customer with a small office network They are running debian on their server, and have a mixture of macs and windows workstations. The server is using samba to shared a number of network drives via SMB. the Windows machines can see and browse all of the workgroup, and all machines / shares within the workgroup. The Macs show nothing when browsing the network, but can mount the shares if the path is entered manually. Also, if I go to the Mac console, smbstatus, smbtree, smbclient and nmblookup all seem to produce the correct results. The macs are not listed in the workgroup. The Macs are running OSX 10.4.8. Is this just a Mac issue, or do I need to configure something special in Samba for this to work? Apparently, it did work before all the machines were switched off for Christmas. I've now exhausted my knowledge of Macs - any help, direction etc would be appreciated. Many thanks, Stuart. -- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Owner) Linux Specialist (0845) 6583563 http://www.linusoft.co.uk ----------------------------------------

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RE: [ALUG] Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

Sounds just grand Peter. I will look forward to the talks, should be very interesting and informative. I can see I might be more in tune with my 'puter before long which will be very nice. We do not really get on to be fair. lol Will be good to meet other people who use or have used Fedora because when I get in a muddle, my 'sysadmin' lives in Worcester! Looking forward very much to Monday. Tracy. -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of samwise Sent: 14 February 2007 16:07 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Hello > Is there any kind of agenda, or will this one be a meet and greet? Well, there has been one small meeting so far, before I started publicising the LUG more widely and the five members who attended that one expressed an interesting in having a half-hour or so interactive presentation by a member on whatever topic interested them - how to compile software, build your own kernel, run virtual machines, use an iPod, archive a CD collection etc. However, as there may be lots of new people (hopefully), I think we'll keep it fairly flexible again for this one and just get an idea of what everyone else wants to get out of our LUG too. So, I've said I'll bring along a laptop with some information about using a virtual server under Kubuntu, but we may not get into that. There are also a few other things we need to finalise, but it will be mostly meet & greet. > Although I have been using differing flavours of Red Hat and Fedora > over a fair few years, I would not say I have much experience with the > innards of them. I would like to learn more about using the command > prompt as I get lost very very easily. So if some of my questions > could get answered along the way I would be very happy indeed. No problem, Tracy! We have at least one other regular Fedora user and I've used a number of variants of it myself as well ... I'm sure you'll get some new things to try before the meet's over. :) Ooh ... I've just had an idea - maybe we should have a regular Agony Aunt slot in the meeting, for people to tell everyone else what they're stuck with! :) If we get a wiki up and running, I can see that coming in handy with that! Peter. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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RE: [ALUG] Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

Hey Peter, I am sure no disappointment will occur. I hope that the interest is significant enough for the meetings to continue. Is there any kind of agenda, or will this one be a meet and greet? Although I have been using differing flavours of Red Hat and Fedora over a fair few years, I would not say I have much experience with the innards of them. I would like to learn more about using the command prompt as I get lost very very easily. So if some of my questions could get answered along the way I would be very happy indeed. T -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of samwise Sent: 13 February 2007 17:14 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Hello Hi, Tracy. I hope we won't disappoint! I think there's been quite a bit of interest so far, so I'm hoping we shouldn't struggle for numbers. Next week should be an interesting meet-up ... ! Peter. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Hello All, I am interested in the potential for a Ipswich LUG. I find it impossible to be able to make the Norwich meets, and am a silent member of the Malvern LUG mailing list where a friend is a member. They have very interesting chats and I hoping that the Ipswich meets will be just as interesting. Laters, Tracy Dickerson QA LudoLogic This electronic message contains information from Ludologic Ltd which may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us by telephone or email (to the number or address above) immediately.

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Asus P5W DH Deluxe mainboard and IDE interfaces
by Barry Samuels 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

I have recently changed my mainboard to an Asus P5W DH Deluxe which includes both SATA and IDE interfaces. There are 2 IDE connectors of which one is controlled by an Intel chip and the other by a JMicron chip. I have two IDE hard drives (hda and hdb) both on the same cable and connected to the Intel interface. I also have an IDE DVD Writer connected to the JMicron interface. When Linux (kernel 2.6.20) boots it does not recognise the DVD Writer although I can get Knoppix 5.1 to boot from the DVD drive if I append irqpoll at the boot prompt after which everything seems to work. If I append irqpoll at the normal Linux boot prompt I get 'lost interrupt' messages when the system is starting and it seems to hang. It also lists, in the logs, a device sda which does not exist. There is a SCSI card installed which drives a DAT tape drive but nothing else. There are no SATA devices connected. Is there a way around this JMicron problem (DVD not recognised) or do I have to wait for the JMicron drivers in the kernel to be improved? What is this spurious sda device? Kernel settings: # # ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support # CONFIG_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y # # Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers # CONFIG_ATA=y CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=y CONFIG_SATA_INTEL_COMBINED=y CONFIG_ATA_GENERIC=y CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON=y CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX=y Log extract: kernel: ahci 0000:02:00.0: version 2.0 kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:00.0 to 64 kernel: ahci 0000:02:00.0: AHCI 0001.0000 32 slots 2 ports 3 Gbps 0x3 impl SATA mode kernel: ahci 0000:02:00.0: flags: 64bit ncq pm led clo pmp pio slum part kernel: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF8824100 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 18 kernel: ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF8824180 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 18 kernel: scsi2 : ahci kernel: ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) kernel: scsi3 : ahci kernel: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) kernel: ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: version 2.00ac7 kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 kernel: ata: 0x1F0 IDE port busy kernel: ata: conflict with ide0 kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.1 to 64 kernel: ata3: DUMMY kernel: ata4: PATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xFFA8 irq 15 kernel: scsi4 : ata_piix kernel: scsi5 : ata_piix kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x177 kernel: ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: MAP [ P0 P2 P1 P3 ] kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[B] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 20 kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64 kernel: ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE400 ctl 0xE082 bmdma 0xD880 irq 20 kernel: ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE000 ctl 0xDC02 bmdma 0xD888 irq 20 kernel: scsi6 : ata_piix kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xE407 kernel: scsi7 : ata_piix kernel: ata6.00: ATA-6, max UDMA/133, 640 sectors: LBA kernel: ata6.00: ata6: dev 0 multi count 1 kernel: ata6.00: Drive reports diagnostics failure. This may indicate a drive kernel: ata6.00: fault or invalid emulation. Contact drive vendor for information. kernel: ata6.00: configured for UDMA/133 kernel: scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA Config Disk RGL1 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:00.1[B] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:00.1 to 64 kernel: ata7: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xAC00 ctl 0xA882 bmdma 0xA400 irq 16 kernel: ata8: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xA800 ctl 0xA482 bmdma 0xA408 irq 16 kernel: scsi8 : pata_jmicron kernel: ata7.00: ATAPI, max UDMA/33 kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef) kernel: ata7.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4) kernel: ata7.00: limiting speed to UDMA/25 kernel: ata7: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef) kernel: ata7.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4) kernel: ata7.00: limiting speed to PIO0 kernel: ata7: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef) kernel: ata7.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4) kernel: ata7.00: disabled kernel: scsi9 : pata_jmicron kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xA807 kernel: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 kernel: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 kernel: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice kernel: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 kernel: TCP cubic registered kernel: Starting balanced_irq kernel: Using IPI Shortcut mode kernel: Time: tsc clocksource has been installed. kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. kernel: Freeing unused kernel memory: 188k freed kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 640 512-byte hdwr sectors (0 MB) kernel: sda: Write Protect is off kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 kernel: SCSI device sda: write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA kernel: SCSI device sda: 640 512-byte hdwr sectors (0 MB) kernel: sda: Write Protect is off kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 kernel: SCSI device sda: write cache: disabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA kernel: sda: unknown partition table kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda kernel: st: Version 20061107, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256 kernel: st 1:0:6:0: Attached scsi tape st0 kernel: st 1:0:6:0: st0: try direct i/o: yes (alignment 512 B) After reading a lot on the Internet and seeing other people with similar problems with JMicron and no solutions I'm not expecting much but there's no harm in asking. Suggestions will be very much appreciated. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Re: [ALUG] Asus P5W DH Deluxe mainboard and IDE interfaces
by Barry Samuels 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Thanks for your reply Richard. On 13/02/07 14:10:53, Richard wrote: > Hey Barry, I am in the same boat, with a P5B at work, and a P5B > deluxe at home. A few people have already stupidly admitted to > "skipping" proper JMICRON support in the 2.6 kernel. I wonder if that means that things will eventually improve? > Apparently Fedora Core 6 works but I don't know if that is with the > following command: > > linux all-generic-ide irqpoll I've tried that and it does work BUT (there had to be a but didn't there?) I get these messages in the logs: kernel: hdi: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown kernel: hdi: drive not ready for command kernel: hdi: status error: status=0x58 { Dri veReady SeekComplete DataRequest } kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown kernel: hdi: drive not ready for command kernel: hdi: status error: status=0x58 { Dri veReady SeekComplete DataRequest } kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown kernel: hdi: drive not ready for command kernel: hdi: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appear s confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request. kernel: cdrom: hdi: mrw address space DMA se lected kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Jolie t Level 3 kernel: ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A kernel: hdi: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request. The 'drive appears confused' keeps repeating at intervals which I find a little worrying especially when it comes to writing a DVD. I imagine that this stems from the 'irqpoll' and the drive doesn't know what to do about interrupts not meant for it. > Most people suggest messing around with the AHCI settings, I have > tried every possible combination and I can't get ubuntu 6.06, 6.10, > or 7.04 (herd 3) to boot and install. > > I am pondering replacing the board for an Nvidia chipset or using a > separate SATA controller, as ALL my drives are sata! But with you > (all IDE drives) you should get somewhere by messing around with the > AHCI settings in the BIOS. As this problem is related to the JMicron controller I have changed the settings for that i.e Basic or AHCI and it has no effect. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain > Richard/Teatime > > > On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 13:53 +0000, Barry Samuels wrote: > > I have recently changed my mainboard to an Asus P5W DH Deluxe which > > includes both SATA and IDE interfaces. There are 2 IDE connectors > of > > > which one is controlled by an Intel chip and the other by a JMicron > > chip. > > > > I have two IDE hard drives (hda and hdb) both on the same cable and > > connected to the Intel interface. I also have an IDE DVD Writer > > connected to the JMicron interface. > > > > When Linux (kernel 2.6.20) boots it does not recognise the DVD > Writer although I can get Knoppix 5.1 to boot from the DVD drive if I > append irqpoll at the boot prompt after which everything seems to > work. If I append irqpoll at the normal Linux boot prompt I get 'lost > interrupt' messages when the system is starting and it seems to hang. > > > > It also lists, in the logs, a device sda which does not exist. > There is a SCSI card installed which drives a DAT tape drive but > nothing else. > > > > There are no SATA devices connected. > > > > Is there a way around this JMicron problem (DVD not recognised) or > do I have to wait for the JMicron drivers in the kernel to be > improved? > > > > What is this spurious sda device? > > > > Kernel settings: > > > > # > > # ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support > > # > > CONFIG_IDE=y > > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y > > > > # > > # Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers > > # > > CONFIG_ATA=y > > CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y > > CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=y > > CONFIG_SATA_INTEL_COMBINED=y > > CONFIG_ATA_GENERIC=y > > CONFIG_PATA_JMICRON=y > > CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX=y > > > > > > Log extract: > > > > kernel: ahci 0000:02:00.0: version 2.0 > > kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) > -> > > IRQ 18 > > kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:00.0 to 64 > > kernel: ahci 0000:02:00.0: AHCI 0001.0000 32 slots 2 ports 3 Gbps > 0x3 > > impl SATA mode > > kernel: ahci 0000:02:00.0: flags: 64bit ncq pm led clo pmp pio slum > > part > > kernel: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF8824100 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 > irq > 18 > > kernel: ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF8824180 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 > irq > 18 > > kernel: scsi2 : ahci > > kernel: ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) > > kernel: scsi3 : ahci > > kernel: ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) > > kernel: ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: version 2.00ac7 > > kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A] -> GSI 22 (level, low) > -> > > IRQ 19 > > kernel: ata: 0x1F0 IDE port busy > > kernel: ata: conflict with ide0 > > kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.1 to 64 > > kernel: ata3: DUMMY > > kernel: ata4: PATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xFFA8 > irq > 15 > > kernel: scsi4 : ata_piix > > kernel: scsi5 : ata_piix > > kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x177 > > kernel: ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: MAP [ P0 P2 P1 P3 ] > > kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[B] -> GSI 23 (level, low) > -> > > IRQ 20 > > kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64 > > kernel: ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE400 ctl 0xE082 bmdma 0xD880 > irq > > 20 > > kernel: ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE000 ctl 0xDC02 bmdma 0xD888 > irq > > 20 > > kernel: scsi6 : ata_piix > > kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xE407 > > kernel: scsi7 : ata_piix > > kernel: ata6.00: ATA-6, max UDMA/133, 640 sectors: LBA > > kernel: ata6.00: ata6: dev 0 multi count 1 > > kernel: ata6.00: Drive reports diagnostics failure. This may > indicate a > > drive > > kernel: ata6.00: fault or invalid emulation. Contact drive vendor > for > > information. > > kernel: ata6.00: configured for UDMA/133 > > kernel: scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA Config Disk > RGL1 > > PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 > > kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:00.1[B] -> GSI 16 (level, low) > -> > > IRQ 16 > > kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:00.1 to 64 > > kernel: ata7: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xAC00 ctl 0xA882 bmdma 0xA400 > irq > > 16 > > kernel: ata8: PATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xA800 ctl 0xA482 bmdma 0xA408 > irq > > 16 > > kernel: scsi8 : pata_jmicron > > kernel: ata7.00: ATAPI, max UDMA/33 > > kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef) > > kernel: ata7.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4) > > kernel: ata7.00: limiting speed to UDMA/25 > > kernel: ata7: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs > > kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef) > > kernel: ata7.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4) > > kernel: ata7.00: limiting speed to PIO0 > > kernel: ata7: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs > > kernel: ata7.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef) > > kernel: ata7.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4) > > kernel: ata7.00: disabled > > kernel: scsi9 : pata_jmicron > > kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xA807 > > kernel: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 > > kernel: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 > > kernel: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice > > kernel: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 > > kernel: TCP cubic registered > > kernel: Starting balanced_irq > > kernel: Using IPI Shortcut mode > > kernel: Time: tsc clocksource has been installed. > > kernel: kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. > > kernel: Freeing unused kernel memory: 188k freed > > kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 1 > > kernel: SCSI device sda: 640 512-byte hdwr sectors (0 MB) > > kernel: sda: Write Protect is off > > kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > > kernel: SCSI device sda: write cache: disabled, read cache: > enabled, > > > doesn't support DPO or FUA > > kernel: SCSI device sda: 640 512-byte hdwr sectors (0 MB) > > kernel: sda: Write Protect is off > > kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 > > kernel: SCSI device sda: write cache: disabled, read cache: > enabled, > > > doesn't support DPO or FUA > > kernel: sda: unknown partition table > > kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda > > kernel: st: Version 20061107, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256 > > kernel: st 1:0:6:0: Attached scsi tape st0 > > kernel: st 1:0:6:0: st0: try direct i/o: yes (alignment 512 B) > > > > After reading a lot on the Internet and seeing other people with > > similar problems with JMicron and no solutions I'm not expecting > much > > but > > there's no harm in asking. > > > > Suggestions will be very much appreciated.

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Resonance with Norfolk wavelength
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Hi Folks, An interesting out-of-region experience for you ... On Sunday I was driving down to London along the A10. As I got further South, the pre-set stations on my car radio (Radio4/Norwich, Radio4/Peterborough, Classic FM, Radio3, even Radio Cambridgeshire, and Radio Norfolk) all got worse and worse. South of the Stevenage-Stansted line they were useless, and I had switched off. Then, stuck in traffic around Wood Green, I thought I'd switch it on again and see if those frequencies would pick up anything in the London area. All failed -- with the exception of the Radio Norfolk frequency (104.4 FM). I picked up, loud and clear, "Resonance104.4FM": http://www.resonancefm.com/index1.htm "Resonance 104.4fm is London's first radio art station, brought to you by London Musicians' Collective." It was intriguing listening, so I switched it on again on the way back, and even sat through an hour of music mixed with talk in a language I didn't recognise, which turned out to be "Rasaa: Iranian program with music, discussion and chat" devised by the "Iranian Community Group". So I tracked the station down when I got home (google on "104.4 FM"). The listings (accessible from the above web site) show the variety of the transmissions. Pity I can't listen on the radio from here -- Radio Norfolk wins, of course -- but I'll be trying their "listen live" resources (Ogg/Real/MP3) when they start transmitting later today. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 13-Feb-07 Time: 09:58:01 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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