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RE: [ALUG] Trackball for Linux?
by Keith Watson 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

> From: Chris Green Sent: 29 September 2006 12:43 > > Does anyone here use a trackball? I've been using a Logitech Marble Mouse (http://www.euroffice.co.uk/itm_show.asp?G7544=Logitech-Marble-Mouse&AFF =GG00006373 for example, but if you shop around you can get them cheaper) for a while now and I'm quite pleased with it. (I'm left handed so all these so called ergonomic shapes are a complete waste of time for me :o) ) I'm running Ubuntu Dapper and needed to do a bit of web searching for information on setting up the buttons as I'd like, but an evenings work sufficed to get it set up as I wanted. > > I've been using a Kensington Expert Mouse (which is a > trackball) for many years and would like something similar > that will work well with Linux. > > Requirements are pretty simple:- > Must be a trackball > Must have at least three buttons, preferably four. > Should be able to program buttons (e.g. my button four does double > click of button one). Marble Mouse has four buttons. >From what I've remember my research suggested that all trackballs seems to have a fairly standard mouselike interface so, unless it's some weird and wonderful h/w, the main considerations for setting it up are in the Xorg.conf settings. Fortunately the Marble Mouse seem pretty standard. Regards, Keith ____________ If you have two loaves of bread, sell one and buy a hyacinth - Persian Proverb

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Trackball for Linux?
by cl＠isbd.net 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

Does anyone here use a trackball? I've been using a Kensington Expert Mouse (which is a trackball) for many years and would like something similar that will work well with Linux. Requirements are pretty simple:- Must be a trackball Must have at least three buttons, preferably four. Should be able to program buttons (e.g. my button four does double click of button one). -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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[chris@isbd.co.uk: Re: I'm getting nearer, network install help wanted]
by cl＠isbd.net 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

> > However I have one big problem, I can't find anywhere that tells me > what directory of the FTP site I need to point it at. I can't find > anyhwhere on the www.opensuse.org site that tells me where to get the > files from when doing a network install. > > It tells you how to do a *really* difficult install when you have no > CD at all but doesn't tell you what to do when you've booted from the > mini-iso CD. > > So, can anyone tell me where I should point it and/or point me at some > documentation? > .... it's OK, I got there in the end, it's hardly easy/intuitive though! I'm now installing Suse 10.1 from the Internet, it'll take a while so I'm off to bed now! .... and now I'm back at work in the morning, much of the install has completed but it needs some more manual input before completing. I'm away for the week-end (shouts of joy from the list) so the rest will have to wait for next week. However I now seem to have a reasonably easy/reliable route for installing Suse at least. I have to say that the instructions (or total lack of them) were crap, for it to work you have to know:- The IP address of the system itself, i.e. it has at least to be on the local subnet. The IP address of the gateway. The IP address of your DNS server. What protocol you're going to use to get the files (there's about five or six offered). The IP address (not the name) of the server you're going to use. The full path of the directory where the files are, this was the one I had problems with, firstly there's no clue as to what files it wants so how do I know what directory it is, secondly it's about ten miles long and is typed into a 20 character or so wide window. OK, it's do'able but you really need another system working to be able to get all the information you need. It would be well nigh impossible if you only had one computer. -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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I'm getting nearer, network install help wanted
by cl＠isbd.net 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

Well I'm making (slow!) progress. The Ubuntu Edgy CD didn't do any better than the Ubuntu 6.06 one so I decided to try a network install. I have put an RTL8139 based network card into the system and it's recognised by my Suse 10.1 mini-iso, hurrah! After a few minor hiccoughs I have it configured and it can see the outside world. I have ven got as far as pointing it at an FTP site. However I have one big problem, I can't find anywhere that tells me what directory of the FTP site I need to point it at. I can't find anyhwhere on the www.opensuse.org site that tells me where to get the files from when doing a network install. It tells you how to do a *really* difficult install when you have no CD at all but doesn't tell you what to do when you've booted from the mini-iso CD. So, can anyone tell me where I should point it and/or point me at some documentation? -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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Progress (or lack of it) on my new system
by cl＠isbd.net 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

Well I haven't made a lot of Linuxish progress on my new system. The essential problems which make it difficult to install any Linux on it are:- The JMicron PATA controller isn't recognised by install versions of the Linux kernel. There is (I believe) support for it in the latest 2.6.18 kernel but the problem is how to get that kernel built on the system. The Realtek Gigabit RTL 8168 NIC interface isn't supported in current kernels. A driver is available but needs to be, yes you've guessed it, compiled into a new kernel. I have currently got Windows XP64 Professional installed in a partition on the new system, that was moderately easy though one has to feed it several floppys during the install and it's a bit of a guessing game which ones should be used at times. So, anyway, I have at least proved the system works and can copy stuff to and fro even if only in Window'ish formats. I need to come up with a strategy for getting a basic system onto my new box that will then allow me to compile a new kernel with the required bits in it. One question this raises is one that I originally asked - what Linux version should I choose? The original answers here were along the lines of "try them all" but I really don't fancy having to recompile kernels for all of them (and I don't believe one recompiled kernel will work for all, each distribution will almost inevitably have its own tweaks I believe). I think the three choices are Suse, Ubuntu or Mandriva. Suse 10.1 seems to have the fullest support for Vmware Server so, if nothing else seems to point elswhere, I may go for Suse. So, how do I get a system loaded? The options would seem to be:- Get the distribution files onto the disk using Windows XP and install from there. Question - can Linux installers read Windows file systems? Add a "well known" NIC to the system (I have spare PCI slots) and do a network install, this I think may be the simplest approach. Do a USB drive install (I'm not sure I have a big enough USB memory thingy). Any comments or ideas? -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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Problem installing on an all SATA system
by cl＠isbd.net 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

I am trying to install ubuntu 6.06 server on my new hardware. The system is intel core 2 duo based with all SATA drives (including the CD/DVD drive). The installation CD boots OK (presumably because at this stage it's using the BIOS to access the drives) but after starting the Linux kernel and setting the language I get a message "No common CD-ROM detected" (or something like that anyway). I.e. there aren't drivers for a SATA CD/DVD drive. It then asks me to either select one of the old non-IDE drivers for the CD-ROM or to install a floppy with the drivers on it. So, how do I get this to actually install? I guess that the floppies with the SATA drivers for windows aren't going to help much, or will the ubuntu install recognise windows drivers? -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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Hosting issues for not-for-profit image site
by Mark Rogers 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

I've been in contact with a website which hosts a large range of images (www.bioimages.org.uk). The images are "a large selection of pictures of Natural History objects, mostly British in origin", which currently amount to around 400M of HTML (autogenerated from a database) on IIS, and 3-4GB of photographs hosted separately. The site is currently offline due to attempted site rips causing load and bandwidth problems. I've offered to help look at the problem, but due to the capacity required I don't think I'm in a position to help with the hosting, although I may be able to help technically. Several issues comes to mind which I'd like advice on. I think there are Apache modules which can help to control the abuse aspect, but I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions? There are options like scripting the site (eg using PHP) and limiting the number of downloads per session. I could probably come up with a solution but its not something I have experience in managing. If anyone has suggestions for a generous host that would be useful too. What he's currently looking for is hosting for the HTML but not the image library, but cites bandwidth as the biggest problem. I need to work out why that is - I'd be surprised if the bandwidth fotr the HTML itself is a huge problem (although I think the way the pages are generated means that they are static pages with new timestamps after each generation, so search engine traffic alone could be massive). I have no direct connection with the site; its a friend who manages a site which makes reference to the images that brought the problem to my attention. I am inclined to help because I think this sort of thing is what the web should be about (ie decent libraries of decent information). -- Mark Rogers More Solutions Ltd :: 0845 45 89 555

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Putting Exchange out of business?
by Christopher Dawkins 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

>> Or you could install an imap or pop server on the machine and point your >> mail client at it, can be especially useful if the machine breaks for >> some reason and can't send mail as you notice that you either can't >> connect to it any more or that you at least get the messages (or notice >> a lack of them). > > That sounds like a challenge. If it worked, I could put Exchange on > their win servers out of business :-) It does work. Of course it works. It's been working on my servers for over a decade now, with sendmail and postfix and pop and imap, humming away with 100% reliability and no problems (apart from some caused by clients running a system I believe is called "Windows"). It's been working reliably since long before this thing you call "Exchange" was thought of. Yet, for inexplicable reasons, some places use this thing you call "Exchange", and despite problems with things I believe are called "viruses" (my experience is limited: these have never troubled the machines I use) they have continued to use this thing you call "Exchange". The whole business is quite incredible to a rational being, but it happens. Basically, there's no point in an alternative that is undoubtedly both more reliable and more economical. They'll stick to this thing you call "Exchange". I suppose we are lucky that it remains technically and legally possible for us to choose the better alternatives. There are already many ways in which we become digitally deprived if we do not conform to the herd mentality (flock? sheep? what is the collective noun for lemmings?). Our freedoms hang on a very narrow thread. -- Christopher Dawkins Garnetts Corner, Braintree Road, Felsted, Dunmow, Essex CM6 3DS cchd(a)pjcd.org 07816 821659 01371 821076

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[Fwd: Re: [ALUG] server mail forwarding]
by Wayne Stallwood 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

Sounds like you need to edit /etc/aliases (depending on your server setup, should work for most machines) and change the line that looks something like root: jenny to root: jenny@ordinary-email-address Isn't it better to create a .forward file in Jenny's home dir, the contents of which (on the first line) are the external address. Can't think why it is better that way (apart from the user not needing to be su to change the address later) but it's the way I've always done this in the past.

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Evolution
by Wayne Stallwood 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

As some of you may have noticed, wordwrap in my copy of evolution seems to have become broken. If I just simply type a reply then it stays on a single line to a seemingly unlimited width. But only it seems when I reply to a message. Googled about and looked in all the preferences I can find, but I can't see anything that sets a fixed column width in the composer. It was fine until tonight and I haven't applied any updates or deliberately changed anything for a number of weeks now. Any ideas ?

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server mail forwarding
by Jenny Hopkins 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

Hullo there, All mail for root, admin, postgres etc on my server are aliased to jenny, so it gets sent to jenny@localhost. How can I request it is sent to jenny@ordinary-email-address instead? I never remember to go and read mail on the server. Thanks, Jenny

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Possibility of work
by David Reynolds 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Hi, I have been asked if I know anyone who would be interested in doing some work for a customer of ours. I figured I'd post it here and see if anyone was interested. There is some system administration tasks along with a bit of Perl hackery, from what I can tell. Here are the details: > What I need is as follows. > > 1. Some ftp accounts that have been setup in a GUI interface called > plesk > need to have additional accounts set up for ftp. The problem is the > default > setting in plesk allow for only one account and it can see the cgi- > bin which > we don't want. > > 2. I need form mail setting up for use by 4 web sites. However the > version > of form mail needs to generate the following exactly as the data is > then > parsed to a outlook object and then into an access database where > the data > after the : is stripped out. > > Below is an example of the form that is currently generated. If you > know > anyone who is interested in this and some other Linux based admin > please ask > them to get in touch. They need to be 100% honest and reliable. > > Title: Mr > > requiredFirst Name: REMOVED > > requiredLast Name: IN > > Interest4: THE > > requiredTelephone (Evening): NAME > > requiredAddress: OF > > City or Town: PRIVACY > > County: > > requiredPostcode: > > Email: > > howFound: Google > > previous_purchase: No > > Data Protection: Please do not give my details to other companies > > SUBMIT: Submit Request Pretty basic sounding stuff. If anyone is interested, you can ask me for further details of contact the guy directly, here: xxxx xxxxxxxxxx Tel: xxxxx xxxxxx E-mail: xxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxx.co.uk Cheers, Dave -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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Which of the following distributions will I dislike least?
by cl＠isbd.net 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Another facet of my new system...... I want to install Vmware server on the system and so it would seem to make sense to use one of the Vmware supported distributions. I will still probably run my existin Slackware setup as a guest system. So the choice lies between:- Mandriva Suse RedHat Ubuntu Which will I find least different from Slackware? I have previously run Mandriva (when it was Mandrake) and Suse but I found both rather too GUIfied for comfort which is why I went to Slackware. I suspect there's not much to choose between them all really, I have a (very) slight leaning towards Ubuntu but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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Linux support for two displays?
by cl＠isbd.net 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

While I'm planning my new system the possibility of a dual display arises (at very little cost as far as I can see). Does Linux support dual displays and, if so, in what sort of way does it do it? I going to go very 'main stream' by choosing an AMD Dual Core processor and Nvidia graphics unless there's a very good reason to choose anything else. (I might be persuaded to go 'all Intel' with a Core 2 Duo processor if there are good reasons for doing so though) -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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[OT-ish] Web hosting
by Mark Rogers 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

Another day, another outage with my current hosts... The only thing stopping me switching to a new host is being confident that I can do what I want elsewhere. I currently host at DSVR with a dedicated machine, split into a number of virtual machines (a few of which I have sold on to my customers as complete virtual servers, the rest we use to host sites on). Each virtual machine has a web admin thing (which is crap but workable) for adding new virtual hosts etc. DSVR handle all the OS patches etc and they're they only ones with root access. We have an "admin" log-on with privileges to do almost anything which doesn't compromise DSVR's ability to handle OS updates. We can, for example, install applications from source. I'm looking for something which provides me with a similarly high level of functionality with a similarly low level of responsibility. Everywhere I look I seem to get the option of either a web front end only (eg Plesk), or full root access. I don't want root access (or, rather, I don't want the responsibility for testing and installing patches and maintaining the security of the system). I need a number of virtual hosts ranging from a few hundred MB to a few GB in size, all of which are currently adequately handled by our existing dual Xeon 2.4 system with (I think) 1GB RAM. NB: The reason we have a dedicated server rather than a collection of virtual machines is that we previously had problems with others on the shared host causing us problems, despite that not theoretically being possible. If that's no longer an issue I'd probably prefer them just as normal virtual machines spread across multiple hosts - at least that way one dead PC doesn't mean all my clients ring me! We've never (touch wood!) had a server outage yet; the problems have all been infrastructure (today's being 9 hrs down due to a power outage), but silly things like having both our name servers on the same network bother me a lot. OS-wise: DSVR only let us have their bastardised version of RedHat (RH9 I think), but I'm not too bothered about that. They use their own virtualisation but Xen or vmware would suit me. It's really only the need for a reliable host who manages the virtual servers without leaving me at a web front end for all config that I'm particularly fussy about. -- Mark Rogers More Solutions Ltd :: 0845 45 89 555

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Re: VMware/qemu
by Christopher Dawkins 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

> I've started another thread asking about Vmware. > Is anyone here using Vmware? I was for a few years, but am now using qemu. It's better for me, but that may be because I use FreeBSD and VMware ports for FreeBSD aren't as up-to-date as VMware. It's also cheaper. -- Christopher Dawkins Garnetts Corner, Braintree Road, Felsted, Dunmow, Essex CM6 3DS cchd(a)pjcd.org 07816 821659 01371 821076

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Forward of moderated message
by announce-bounces＠lists.alug.org.uk 12 Sep '06

12 Sep '06

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[ALUG Announce] 2nd Thursday Norwich Meet : Reindeer, Dereham Road
by Jonathan McDowell 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Second Thursday" ALUG Norwich Pub Meet is this Thursday, 14th September. It's at the Reindeer pub on the Dereham Road, just opposite the City Gate. People will be there from 8pm-ish, though there may be a few people there earlier. Topics for discussion will no doubt be as varied as ever. The Reindeer has a reasonable selection of beer as well as decent coffee (with biscuits, if you're lucky). Directions to the Reindeer can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html Pictures of some of the regulars, and irregulars, and, well, just some pictures of people that might or might not turn up are available from: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2006-02-ALUG/ http://the.earth.li/~noodles/stilvoid-alug/mp20050811/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2005-01-ALUG-Xmas/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ Which should hopefully aid those of you wondering who to look out for. We're /normally/ just to the left of the main entrance, though sometimes we've ended up at the far end of the pub beside the pool table, as there are comfy seats at that end. J. -- "Never test for an error | .''`. Debian GNU/Linux Developer condition you don't know how to | : :' : Happy to accept PGP signed handle." --Steinbach | `. `' or encrypted mail - RSA + | `- DSA keys on the keyservers. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://xchat.org/windows/ - the UNIX client has a windows port! http://www.mirc.com/ (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [ALUG] S.T. -- Doors
by David Noble 10 Sep '06

10 Sep '06

Hi Ted Tried both links with Opera on Debian Sid; empty page. Tried with MSIE on win virtual machine; empty page (http://mrdaven.mine.nu/timesonline.png) dave.

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S.T. -- Doors
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 10 Sep '06

10 Sep '06

Hi Folks, Would anyone oblige by running a crosscheck for me? I wanted to look at the SUnday Times "Doors" section on-line this morning. Not for the first time, although the page which comes up is headed "The Sunday Times - Doors", is has no content. I was using Firefox. I then tried on a different machine with Mozilla and Netscape, with similar results. It may be that the page really has no content this morning, or it may be that it's a "browser compatibility" problem. I'm not in a position to try using I.E., so can't check whether it's a case of the Sunday Times making unwarranted assumptions. The direct URL to "Doors" is, apparently, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,2776,00.html and the indirect route from the top level is 1: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ 2: Scroll down until you find "Newspaper Edition" under "Services"; click on this 3: Pick "The Sunday Times" from the days 4: Click on "Sunday - Doors" As I say, I've experienced this before, though not often. I'd just like to settle whether it's my browser[s], or the fact that I'm not using Internet Explorer [when of course all right-headed people should], or the Sunday Times has not put any content onto the page this weekend. With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 10-Sep-06 Time: 09:17:43 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Anyone using Vmware?
by cl＠isbd.net 08 Sep '06

08 Sep '06

Is anyone here using Vmware? My Win2k machine is getting a bit flaky so I'm looking at buying some new hardware (system unit only probably) and setting it up as a Linux box with Win2k running in Vmware. This would replace my existing two machines running Slackware Linux and Win2k. I know there are some issues with running Vmware on a Slackware Linux box but these seem fairly easy to overcome, they are basically only to do with the startup scrips (BSD versus SysV). Does anyone here have any experience of doing this? In particular how good is the hardware support for Win2k in VMware, I want to be able to use a scanner from Win2k in particular. I suppose I ought to ask about good hardware too but I'll make that another thread. -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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qemu - a love/hate relationship
by Barry Samuels 08 Sep '06

08 Sep '06

I had not heard of qemu until someone recently mentioned it and as I have one item of Windows software for which there is no Linux equivalent I thought I'd give it a try. I downloaded the Debian package which gave me an installed version of qemu (v0.8.1-1). I installed Windows98 using this and have a working version of Windows98 running on my Debian box - whoopee! I have installed the Windows package I want to use and it appears to work very well but the data I want to use is on the host machine. I would like to access this using networking and that is where I have come severely unstuck. Whatever I do I cannot get the virtual Windows98 machine to connect to my local network. I've searched and read Howtos with no luck. When I start Windows a network interface, tap0, is created on my Debian box with an IP address in the same sub-net as the real eth0 interface but what do I do then? Giving Windows an IP address in the same sub-net doesn't work. If I run Network Neighbourhood (I can't bring myself to spell it incorrectly) and double click on 'Entire network' I get a message: 'The network is not accessible' and that is as far as I've managed to get. So near and yet so far. I've been trying this all day without any success. Is there anyone who has done this before able to offer some tips? Please! -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Social aspects of computer misuse - lecture
by sfr 08 Sep '06

08 Sep '06

The BA Joseph Lister Award Lecture - "Computer says no": the social aspects of computer misuse. Today (Friday) 13:00 Webcast on http://www.sciencelive.org/content/view/95/50/ "Zombies, botnets, Trojans, worms, viruses, phishing, spam and just plain hacking. Alongside the benefits to society, the growth in computing power and availability has brought a new and expanding world of computer misuse which is often (wrongly) thought of as computer crime. Why do individuals commit computer misuse? How do they see the virtual world? This lecture will provide an insight into the motivations that underlie computer misuse and explain the difficulties the law faces. Stefan will consider alternative complementary means of cyber-regulation before discussing the ways in which individuals and organisations could become more resilient to cyber-attack." Should be on archive later. -- eli

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New system (hardware) advice wanted
by cl＠isbd.net 07 Sep '06

07 Sep '06

As I've said elsewhere I'm thinking of buying a new system unit to run Linux (probably Slackware) and Win2k as a virtual machine. I think I'll probably go for a dual-core processor as they seem to have reduced to sensible prices now. What's the current thinking as to which is best value for money between the AMD Dual core processors and the Intel Core 2 Duo ones? Is there anything else fundamental that will affect the performance (well obviously there is!) that I may miss? I don't need anything super whizzy in the graphics department as I don't play any games, good 'business' graphics is all I need. So a big fast disk drive and lots of memory seem to be the other obvious requirements. Any/all suggestions welcome. -- Chris Green (chris(a)halon.org.uk)

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