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Re: This list and html email.
by John Seago 18 May '06

18 May '06

Having the signature lines that I do, I was most embarrassed a short while ago to find that I was sending HTML mail to this list. I promptly turned it off, (I'm using Kmail), only to find that it wouldn't stay turned off and it took me nearly a whole afternoon to get it to turn off and stay turned off. -- John Seago GNU/Linux Registered User No. #219566 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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RE: [ALUG] Evil Computers
by Keith Watson 18 May '06

18 May '06

> From: Wayne Stallwood Sent: 17 May 2006 22:21 > On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 12:09 +0100, Tracy Dickerson wrote: > > > > Then the next morning after switching on, the network card > > seemed to be found but would not connect to the outside world. > > Nothing had changed and I can't work out why this has happened. > > Does the card have a link status light, if so is it on ? > > What does ifconfig say ? (you may have to be root to run > that, depending on your distribution) > > Also run route to list the routing table and ping whatever is > shown as the default gateway (that is the ip address of your > housemates router) > > If that works then try pinging an external address like google on > 66.249.93.99 > > If that works then your name resolution is broken and you > need to look at the contents of /etc/resolv.conf > > This should have something like > nameserver (ip address) where IP address should usually be the same > as the IP address of your housemates router (the address > returned as the default gateway when you ran the route command) > > With that info we should be able to track it down. Had a similar problem with an old Dell laptop a while back. Using a Live Linux CD (Ubuntu Breezy Badger in this case - it's only a matter of time before some marketing type christens them "boot'n'go" :o) ) was very useful in tracking down hardware vs. software issues. Regards, Keith ____________ CONNOISSEUR, n. A specialist who knows everything about something and nothing about anything else (q.v. EXPERT). Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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RE: [ALUG] This list and html email.
by Keith Watson 18 May '06

18 May '06

> From: Adam Bower > Sent: 17 May 2006 21:01 > > I just thought I'd drop a quick email to the list just to > clarify that the Alug list is a plain text only list but I'm > bending the rules a bit for new joiners to the list as I feel > it is better to let them participate and get involved with > Alug instead of freezing them out straight away. > > When we get new people join the list who have a mail held for > moderation because it has an html part I am going to let the > post through and then mail the new joiner directly asking > them to try and post in plain text only. (Obviously if they > have posted with html and it has created a massive > attachment then I will not allow it to go to the list). > > Obviously this isn't set in stone as it's up to the people on > the list what we do but I'd like to hear a few opinions of if > people think I'm doing the right/wrong thing. > > Thanks > Adam Although I have no axe to grind wrt html mail I must admit that my sight is poor enough that I find plain text easier to deal with (and there's the admin issue of the consequent bloat in message size). I go along with Adam on this, I think a quiet word off list would be a friendly way to ask new members (and the odd recidivist :o) ) to refrain from submitting html posts. Regards, Keith ____________ TWICE, adv. Once too often. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Evil Computers
by Tracy Dickerson 17 May '06

17 May '06

Hey guys and gals, Thank you for all your helpful posts and for welcoming me so nicely. I know have a pc at home (a friend of mine gave me his old one). I have a new problem for you to think about (if you would like to) The network card worked fine to install Fedora Core 5 on top of Windows 98 from the internet. When Windows had been wiped and Fedora was installed, I managed (with a little trouble) to connect to the internet and get all my e-mails etc (lovely 206 of them *sigh*) Then the next morning after switching on, the network card seemed to be found but would not connect to the outside world. Nothing had changed and I can't work out why this has happened. I have deleted all the network settings and rebooted, this didn't help, so I took out the network card and re-seated it. Again nothing happened. The only thing I can think of that I have not tested is the network cable that runs into my housemates router. This also hasn't changed or moved and we checked the router. He is getting a connection. Puzzled now. Any suggestions before I buy a new network card and start again? Tracy x _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Bletchley Park
by Richard Lewis 17 May '06

17 May '06

Hello ALUG, Just before we all left last night, I remembered that a little while ago on IRC mention had been made of a possible trip to Bletchley Park. Now that the weather has taken a turn for the better, I wonder if anyone still thinks this may be fun? There's a fairly informative website at: http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/ They do group weekend visits between 10:30 and 17:00 for 8.00 GBP per head for 20+ people and allow (possibly require) booking. Maps and various route planning info: http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/content/visit/findus.rhtm For those of us in Norwich, the train journey is not all that good: AFAICT you need to go through London (Liverpool St -> Euston) and it takes about 3:30 hours. By road it will probably take about 3 hours (A11, through Thetford, Cambridge, A428 through Bedford to Milton Keynes). Any thoughts? Cheers, Richard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis Sonic Arts Research Archive http://www.sara.uea.ac.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Re: [linux-users] Segfaults with Firefox-1.0
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 17 May '06

17 May '06

On 17-May-06 David Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 17 May 2006 13:53, Ted Harding wrote: >> >> If anyone else would like to try this and report >> results, I'd be obliged. >> > > I'm seeing the same issue with my Firefox (v1.0.8), > but Konqueror has no problems with it. > > Accessing it with popup blocking disabled seems to fix it, > so I guess it's a bug in Firefox's popup blocking... > > Regards, > David. Thanks, Dave (Gilbert) for confirming that firefox can be flaky, and David (Johnson) for the above. Yes, you were right! Disabling pop-up blocking solves the problem. The reason http://www.shop.bt.com bombs right out is that you get one of those smarmy "special offers and competitions" popups while the top page is still loading. You're not meant to miss it! (Which leads me to wonder: can a website send a popup which might force a popup blocker to segfault? Good way to get you to turn off the blocker ... ). Thanks, and all best wishes, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 17-May-06 Time: 14:21:46 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Segfaults with Firefox-1.0
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 17 May '06

17 May '06

Hi Folks, I've been noticing a tendency for my Firefox-1.0 to segfault when accessing certain sites. It may not be Firefox of course, but a possible (e.g.) RAM weakness or something else hardware related. The message to the terminal is always run-mozilla.sh: line 451: 2894 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} which is a line in the startup-script. One site which seems to trigger it every time is http://www.shop.bt.com If anyone else would like to try this and report results, I'd be obliged. With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 17-May-06 Time: 13:53:05 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Encryption
by Richard Brooklyn 17 May '06

17 May '06

The other day, I got myself a new laptop, all is well and good with it running Ubuntu Dapper. I saw a article in Linux Format about encrypting the hard drive. I did follow it closely, but was unable to make it work. This was probably due to me trying to encrypt / instead of something like /home so I gave up. But I do wish to try again. I've just downloaded OpenSUSE 10.1, which gives the option to encrypt during the installation. It [the OpenSUSE install] seems to work pretty well, especially if you're just a single user, you can set a nice long password for /home, and it will ask for the passphrase during start-up, which I was very happy with. But it's got me wondering. Exactly how secure is this? Let's say I can use either OpenSUSE 10.1 or Ubuntu Dapper .. Say someone steals my laptop. Is it possible they will ever get hold of my data (ie. decrypt it)? Should I be encrypting more than just /home? (I was thinking about /tmp -- but I don't want to keep entering in loads of passphrases on every boot). Is it possible to encrypt / at all? That would be very handy, then it's just one passphrase, and I know that everything is secure, but I know I can expect a performance hit with this (which is not important). Cheers, Richard.

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64 bit operating systems
by Nick Daniels 16 May '06

16 May '06

Hi Many thanks for all the advice: I downloaded Suse 10.1x64 this weekend and it runs perfectly, and detect all my hardware, however, I am determined to get Kubuntu/ Ubuntu running as well The problem with the Xsever not starting in Ubuntu 64 bit appears forums, with the answer "change the driver from "nv" to "vesa" in xorg.conf" How can I edit xorg.conf from the command line? Kind regard- Nick Daniels

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NHS to use Linux
by Stuart Bailey 16 May '06

16 May '06

Thought this might be of some interest... http://www.novell.com/offices/emea/uk/news/press/2006/newsletter_nhs.html -- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Owner) Linux Specialist (0845) 6583563 http://www.linusoft.co.uk ----------------------------------------

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 15 May '06

15 May '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Heeeelp! My display system is rather messed up.
by Barry Samuels 14 May '06

14 May '06

First an apology. This message may appear twice because I forgot to set my identity in the mailer so the first one may not make it. I'm running Debian Testing (Etch). I've been waiting 6 months to do an update because K3b was missing from the distribution for about that time and it has just reappeared. So I did the update and then discovered that my mga drivers from Matrox no longer work. I see that other people had the same problem. There is an MGA driver package listed but it depends on the xserver-xorg-core package which isn't in the distribution (this is getting ridiculous). Matrox don't (yet?) provide a driver for xorg 6.9 but after a search I found that someone had modified the latest Matrox driver to suit 6.9 which I have now installed. There is still something seriously wrong with the display system however and I don't know if it's an xorg thing or something else. I don't think it's the new MGA driver because I get console problems even if I don't run X. If I run 'joe', the editor, from a standard console (No X) I find I cannot get out using Ctrl-C, it's just ignored, but I can exit with Ctrl-K-X. However I then have to type 'reset' to get the console to behave properly. Whilst in the editor I often can't scroll down to see the end of the file. I cannot start X as a user but I can as root. If I start X as root and then exit I have to do the 'reset' thing again. I can start KDM as root and then log in as a user but if I logout, back to KDM, I'm stuck because Ctrl-Alt-Fn doesn't work either. All I can do is reboot. Is this likely to be an xorg problem and where do I look to solve it? -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Heeeelp! my display is rather messed up.
by Barry Samuels 14 May '06

14 May '06

I'm running Debian Testing (Etch). I've been waiting 6 months to do an update because K3b was missing from the distribution for about that time and it has just reappeared. So I did the update and then discovered that my mga drivers from Matrox no longer work. I see that other people had the same problem. There is an MGA driver package listed but it depends on the xserver-xorg-core package which isn't in the distribution (this is getting ridiculous). Matrox don't (yet?) provide a driver for xorg 6.9 but after a search I found that someone had modified the latest Matrox driver to suit 6.9 which I have now installed. There is still something seriously wrong with the display system however and I don't know if it's an xorg thing or something else. I don't think it's the new MGA driver because I get console problems even if I don't run X. If I run 'joe', the editor, from a standard console (No X) I find I cannot get out using Ctrl-C, it's just ignored, but I can exit with Ctrl-K-X. However I then have to type 'reset' to get the console to behave properly. Whilst in the editor I often can't scroll down to see the end of the file. I cannot start X as a user but I can as root. If I start X as root and then exit I have to do the 'reset' thing again. I can start KDM as root and then log in as a user but if I logout, back to KDM, I'm stuck because Ctrl-Alt-Fn doesn't work either. All I can do is reboot. Is this likely to be an xorg problem and where do I look to solve it? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Any Asterisk users out there? Dial out fails, but dial in works
by Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. 13 May '06

13 May '06

I'm attempting to set a small PBX system. I'm using Asterisk @ Home 2.8 with a Digium TDM11B card. The fxo card is in port 4, the fxs card is in port 1. I have the phone-line connected to port 4 and the phone unit to port 1. My /etc/zaptel.conf is: fxoks=1 fxsks=4 loadzone=uk loadzone=uk My /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf includes: echocancel=yes echocancelwhenbridged=yes echotraining=400 callerid=<my callerid> signalling=fxo_ks group=1 context=default channel => 1 signalling=fxs_ks callerid=asreceived group=2 context=incoming channel => 4 My /etc/asterisk/extensions.conf is: [globals] OUTBOUNDTRUNK=Zap/4 [incoming] exten => s,1,Wait(1) exten => s,2,Answer() exten => s,3,Playback(hello-world) exten => s,4,Hangup() [outbound] exten => _9XXXXXXXXXXX,1,Dial($(OUTBOUNDTRUNK)/${EXTEN:1}) exten => _9XXXXXXXXXXX,2,Congestion() exten => _9XXXXXXXXXXX,102,Congestion() The _9XXXXXXXXXX should allow me to call number like 07770 123456 using a 9 prefix from the phone, if I understand the documentation correctly. Some of this information was from the supplier of the card and others were from Asterisk O'Reilly book. Incoming calls work as expected, but as soon as I attempt to use my phone to dial a number, it hangs up. I hear a dial-tone to begin with, but pressing a single button makes it hang up. The log from Asterisk is: --Starting simple switch on 'Zap/1-1' --Hungup 'Zap/1-1' What is wrong? This is really confusing. I'm a newbie to Asterisk so if there is something I have missed above, please point it out. -- Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. http://www.ashleyhowes.com/ "The proper function of man is to live, not to exist." - Jack London

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Digital Sound Inputs on Trust soundcard
by David Noble 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi all, I seem to be having problems with recording the digital input on my new soundcard (chipset has been identified as CMI 8738). I am running a S/PDIF line from my digital mixer (at 48kHz) to the input. I know for sure there is output on the line, as when I hit the 'loop' switch, I am able to monitor a return. Sound playback works fine (tested in Audacity, amaroK and Xine), but I am unable to select the digital input to record (in Audacity), although analog seems to work fine. The idea behind getting this sound card was to be able to record losslessly from the mixer. The inputs appear to work fine under 'doze (and SoundForge), although I had to fiddle about with sample rates. I would really like to be able to record using Linux, and finally convert my machine over to a Linux only box. Any help would be much appreciated. I am unable to speak on IRC as I am at <strike>prison</strike> boarding school. Kind regards, Dave

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New NeSS Website -- and Linux!
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi Folks, Inspired by a TYV report this evening on the Govt's new "Neighbourhood Statistics" website (aka "NeSS"), I just gave it a try: http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk Can any of you get it to work with a browser supported by Linux? Even with popups enabled for this site, my Firefox doesn't cut it. Nor Mozilla. Thanks, and all best wishes, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 11-May-06 Time: 19:15:02 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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[ALUG Announce] [ALUG] 2nd Thursday Norwich Meet : Reindeer, Dereham Road
by Jonathan McDowell 13 May '06

13 May '06

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Second Thursday" ALUG Norwich Pub Meet is this Thursday, 11th May. It's at the Reindeer pub on the Dereham Road, just opposite the City Gate. People will be there from 8pm-ish, though there may be a few people there earlier. Topics for discussion will no doubt be as varied as ever. The Reindeer has a reasonable selection of beer as well as decent coffee (with biscuits, if you're lucky). Directions to the Reindeer can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html Pictures of some of the regulars, and irregulars, and, well, just some pictures of people that might or might not turn up are available from: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2006-02-ALUG/ http://the.earth.li/~noodles/stilvoid-alug/mp20050811/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2005-01-ALUG-Xmas/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ Which should hopefully aid those of you wondering who to look out for. We're /normally/ just to the left of the main entrance, though sometimes we've ended up at the far end of the pub beside the pool table, as there are comfy seats at that end. J. -- ] http://www.earth.li/~noodles/ [] Where are we going? And WHY ARE [ ] PGP/GPG Key @ the.earth.li [] WE IN THIS HANDBASKET?!! [ ] via keyserver, web or email. [] [ ] RSA: 4DC4E7FD / DSA: 5B430367 [] [ ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Re: [linux-users] New NeSS Website -- and Linux!
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 12 May '06

12 May '06

Many thanks to all for the interesting replies. It looks as though I should bite the bullet and upgrade from Firefox 1.0 to 1.5. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 12-May-06 Time: 09:48:24 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Linux hardware compatability lists
by Adam Bower 12 May '06

12 May '06

Hi, I just got a comment on my blog from a guy who was looking for information on how well the Canon Powershot A430 worked with Linux. (For my dads birthday we purchased him an A430, and when i plugged it into my Ubuntu laptop it auto-detected it and asked me if i wanted to get the pictures off it, very simple, more so than other operating systems I suspect). Part of the purpose of my blog posting was so that the info would get picked up by search engines if people wanted to find out if this camera worked with Linux. Anyhow, the comment left on my blog was similar to "thanks for posting this I wanted to know if this camera worked with linux and your page is all I can find using google" and the suggestion to add it to the Linux HCL at http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ anyhow, this made me think are there any other generic Linux HCL lists that I should be posting this information to? What puts me off linuxquestions.org is that it appears to be a web-forum (which I detest) whereas if it was a wiki I'd have the information on there by now. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li Avoid ID cards, renew your passport: http://www.renewforfreedom.org/

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Re: Greetings
by Jenny Hopkins 12 May '06

12 May '06

> From: Paul <lists(a)bulldoghome.com> > Hi Tracy > > Always nice to see a new face in place of the hairy old ones ;) > Oi! Speak for yourself, our Paul! I shaved yesterday........ Welcome to alug, Tracy. Jenny

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Anything like Picasa for Linux?
by chrisisbd＠leary2.csoft.net 12 May '06

12 May '06

Are there any programs like Picasa which run on Linux? I'm after something for organising my digital and scanned photographs. I don't want anything very clever, Picasa is actually pretty close to what I want except that I'd prefer to be able to manipulate the *real* folder hierarchy rather than a pseudo-hierarchy. -- Chris Green (chrisisbd(a)leary.csoft.net)

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Greetings
by Tracy Dickerson 12 May '06

12 May '06

Hey, My Names Tracy and I have just found you guys. I have always been interested in alternatives to Windows OS and it wasn't until I bought a PC of my own and a close friend of mine suggested I ran Linux on it that I moved in this direction. I had seen more than enough of his computer and the way it looked and felt to know that this move was for me. At this point we installed Red Hat 9. Loved this. Was fab. Then came along Fedora and we swapped to that. Again loved the way it worked and felt so all was good. Time went on... My Sys-Admin (as I refer to him now) moved to Worcester and got involved with the Malvern LUG group and I have been a silent member of their mailing list for just over a year I think. I am now at the stage (ok have been for a while) where I would like to run Fedora from the Terminal window but am finding the commands difficult to structure. Add to this that my pc is at the moment dead (Motherboard failure) and I am waiting for a friend of mine to dig out an old one of his so I can get up and running again. I have Fedora 5 waiting to be installed and am looking forward to this very much. Sorry this has been a long post; promise to keep them short in future. I hope to be at the next meeting (but not tonight I am afraid) and hope that you guys will welcome a Fedora lass into the fold. Regards, Tracy x _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Beginning of the end for SGI
by Wayne Stallwood 12 May '06

12 May '06

I was talking to someone about this at the kit meet (sorry I forget who) Whoever it was, Your prediction was pretty much spot on. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060508/sfm098.html?.v=45 Tis a sad day even if you didn't like SGI kit, If they weren't so broken as a company then they would be a good example of how a company in the Unix world embraced Open Source rather than being threatened by it. I don't know how much input SGI has on OpenGL and XFS now..I presume these projects will continue without them should they vanish or be bought up ? I wish I still had my Indy so I could give it a hug.

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64 bit Operating Systems
by Nick Daniels 11 May '06

11 May '06

Hi I have been attempting to install Linux on my AMD 3.4 GHz 64, on Ubuntu/Kubuntu 64, the X server fails to start/crashes, likewise on Debian 64, with Fedora 64 screen starts O.K. but mouse pointer disappears at logon. Suse 10.0 installs O.K. in i386 mode, but fails to find sound (Intel ICH with ALC 655) Kubuntu installs O.K. in i386 mode and finds everything. likewise Debian i386 Kororaa (gentoo) i386 installs O.K. and gives correct Nvidia driver and even 1600x screen System has onboard Nvidia 6100, and 1GB ram. Has anybody any suggestions for a 64 bit system, or ideas how to get a working 64 bit system or any other (Linux) operating system to try please. Kind Regards - Nick Daniels

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Given In To Pressure... Sorry
by Simon Royal 10 May '06

10 May '06

Before I start I would like to state I am a devout anti-Microsoft user and this pains me. My main machine is a Mac of which I am very pleased with. In all the years I have owned a Mac they never let me down, they just work and very well. My venture into Linux has come to a halt. My ThinkPad 380ED has been stripped of Damn Small Linux and replaced with Windows 98 Second Edition. There was no speed increase over Windows and the age of the machine limited me to the distro's I could use. With Damn Small Linux being the best option, I was annoyed by the limited amount of software and support for it. I know Microsoft are switching off support for 98 & ME in July but the wealth of knowledge and software and supported hardware under these operating systems was a drawing point for me. My wife also wants to use the laptop and Linux is no place for someone with little computing knowledge. So apologies as I seem to bail out on Linux. When I eventually purchase a new Mac I intend to dual boot with Ubuntu or something similar as I will have a better choice of full blown distros rather than cut down one aimed at low end machines. Kind Regards Simon Royal ---- www.simonroyal.co.uk The box said requires Windows 2000 or better, so I bought an Apple Mac

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