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Re: While I'm moaning about firefox
by tom potts 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

Chris - you hate C++ because its powerful. And desktops hide complexity! Time to dig out that old machine code I think, and a few toggle switches for input - 8 enuf? ___________________________________________________________ WIN ONE OF THREE YAHOO! VESPAS - Enter now! - http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/competitions/vespa.html

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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pointy clicky
by Peter 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

On Sunday 27 Nov 2005 13:12, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > However, having to type code on a command line to open > OOo leaves me cold. Are you sure all this typing is not just to keep the > Grockles in awe? Use OO every day, and never once started it from the command line. But that's just a naive user talking. On Mandriva. Lot to be said for Mandriva for naive users. Just works. Well, there was a bit of a problem with 10.1 and 10.2 installing on some systems. But 2005 and 2006 are ok Better than Suse. Easier than Debian to manage, though harder to keep up to date. Give it a go, and you can pretend terminal windows don't exist. Except maybe for setting permissions. Get "How Linux Works" by Brian Ward. Very nice how-to book for us naive users. Peter

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USB Mass Storage woes (and ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run checksum request)
by Ten 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

OK, this is doing my head in. On SuSE 9.2, which I support a few end-users on around the place as part of my advocacy antics, there is a fairly well-known problem with some USB mass storage devices. If anybody has personally surmounted this problem - or failing that has some salient ideas about it - or failing that a shoulder to cry on - I'd be hugely interested to hear about it. Now I've had USB dongles working in the past, but due to a bad memory module hosing my file systems I've had to reinstall and don't have one of those to check with, so I've no idea whether this is general or specific to the sony device and suse. Issue is this. When plugging in a usb device that is supposed to have its sony memory stick mounted as a USB mass storage device (specifically a cellphone) the device is not mountable on the system, it is "offlined". See below. The modem device for the phone is detected and configured properly, just no mass storage device. When booting into ubuntu and plugging in the device, everything goes more-or-less swimmingly. I've tried switching to fstab as opposed to subfs, I've tried automatically or manually mounting (as well as sync/not). Any attempt to mount the relevant device results in "not a block device" errors - whereupon referring to messages reveals it's already been removed from the system. Some log-type goodness: Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 4 Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: usb 2-2: Product: Sony Ericsson D750 Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: usb 2-2: Manufacturer: Sony Ericsson Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 356576003337234_0 Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: Ignoring extra header Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: cdc_acm 2-2:1.1: ttyACM0: USB ACM device Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: Ignoring extra header Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: cdc_acm 2-2:1.3: ttyACM1: USB ACM device Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: Vendor: Sony Eri Model: Memory Stick Rev: 0000 Nov 18 23:00:44 amonhen kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 18 23:00:45 amonhen kernel: SCSI device sda: 248832 512-byte hdwr sectors (127 MB) Nov 18 23:00:45 amonhen kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Nov 18 23:00:45 amonhen kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 6a 00 00 Nov 18 23:00:45 amonhen kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Nov 18 23:00:46 amonhen smpppd[6159]: smpppd version 1.50 started Nov 18 23:00:46 amonhen sshd[6205]: Server listening on :: port 22. Nov 18 23:00:46 amonhen kernel: sda:<6>via82xx: Assuming DXS channels with 48k fixed sample rate. Nov 18 23:00:46 amonhen kernel: Please try dxs_support=1 or dxs_support=4 option Nov 18 23:00:46 amonhen kernel: and report if it works on your machine. Nov 18 23:00:46 amonhen kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:11.5[C] -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 5 Nov 18 23:00:46 amonhen kernel: PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:11.5 to 64 Nov 18 23:00:49 amonhen kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP] Nov 18 23:00:49 amonhen kernel: parport0: irq 7 detected Nov 18 23:00:49 amonhen kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). Nov 18 23:00:51 amonhen /etc/dev.d/tty/50-visor.dev[6647]: add tty device /class/tty/ttyACM1 Nov 18 23:00:51 amonhen /etc/dev.d/tty/50-visor.dev[6655]: add tty device /class/tty/ttyACM0 Nov 18 23:00:52 amonhen /etc/dev.d/tty/50-visor.dev[6674]: remove tty device /class/tty/ttyACM0 Nov 18 23:00:52 amonhen /etc/dev.d/tty/50-visor.dev[6677]: remove tty device /class/tty/ttyACM1 Nov 18 23:00:52 amonhen /etc/dev.d/block/51-subfs.dev[6705]: umount block device /block/sda Nov 18 23:00:52 amonhen /etc/dev.d/block/51-subfs.dev[6705]: remove /dev/sda from fstab Nov 18 23:00:55 amonhen /etc/dev.d/tty/50-visor.dev[6810]: add tty device /class/tty/ttyACM1 Nov 18 23:00:55 amonhen /etc/dev.d/tty/50-visor.dev[6824]: add tty device /class/tty/ttyACM0 Nov 18 23:00:55 amonhen /etc/dev.d/block/50-hwscan.dev[6869]: new block device /block/sda Nov 18 23:00:55 amonhen kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic Nov 18 23:00:55 amonhen /etc/dev.d/block/51-subfs.dev[6884]: mount block device /block/sda Nov 18 23:00:58 amonhen kernel: Non-volatile memory driver v1.2 Nov 18 23:01:00 amonhen kdm: :0[6926]: pam_unix2: session started for user bcu1, service xdm-np Nov 18 23:01:01 amonhen /etc/dev.d/block/51-subfs.dev[7128]: umount block device /block/sda/sda1 Nov 18 23:01:01 amonhen /etc/dev.d/block/51-subfs.dev[7128]: remove /dev/sda1 from fstab Nov 18 23:01:06 amonhen modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting sonypi (/lib/modules/2.6.8-24-default/kernel/drivers/char/sonypi.ko): No such device Nov 18 23:01:10 amonhen kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x50000 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 248824 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 31103 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: scsi1 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: scsi1 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 31103 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: scsi1 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: scsi1 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed. Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: scsi1 (0:0): rejecting I/O to offline device Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 Nov 18 23:01:45 amonhen kernel: unable to read partition table Oh, also, I have an ati driver which I may tentatively install to get some games going - at 50 odd MB it's a heavy old file for a dialup connection, so if anyluggers have copies of ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run they can provide me with a checksum for, warm fuzzy thanks would abound. :) Cheers, Ten.

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Apologies if...
by Anthony Anson 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

Apologies if I don't reply to anything anyone expects me to - a corrupt mail item borked my database right on the crux of Saturday/Sunday (when the database packs), and until I can find the time to get inside it and hack a few things out, I'm running on a week-old backup databse. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: While I'm moaning about firefox
by Ian bell 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Chris Green wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 07:14:23PM +0000, Ian bell wrote: > >>Chris Green wrote: >> >>>On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 06:07:29PM +0000, Ian bell wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Chris Green wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>This is where we differ/misunderstand. What I'm saying is that GUI is >>>>>*not* the same as DeskTop. There are lots of other ways of >>>>>approaching a GUI way of using a computer than the pseudo-office one. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Agreed. But you seemed to be claiming it was forced upon you. >>>> >>> >>>It was, by Firefox, instead of a proper directory selection I got:- >>> >>> Home >>> Desktop >>> Fileysystem >>> >> >>No, you chose to use Firefox. If it does not do what you want, use >>something else. >> > > ... but, apparently, the change is in the underlying graphics library, > not Firefox. Most other browsers are likely to use the same file > selection dialogue. > You are going to have to be a bit more specific - which library? Ian

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While I'm moaning about firefox
by Chris Green 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Does anyone like the new file selection boxes? It had me totally confused when I first came across it, the 'directory/folder' window just has the words Home, Desktop and Filesystem in it - it took me quite a while to realise that Filesystem means /. I'm still not sure if I know what Desktop means. ... and nowhere does it display the full path as you navigate. This is Firefox 1.5 release candidate by the way. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Re: While I'm moaning about firefox
by MJ Ray 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Jon Dye wrote: > If you'd said Java I'd have understood the argument as in Java > everything has to be part of an object. I thought Java was another of these silly languages like Python where not everything is an object, but "everything is an object" is still often claimed? I guess "everything is an object except the things that aren't" doesn't make teachers and advocates look as good... -- MJR/slef, personal email, http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html

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Plea for Help
by Wayne Stallwood 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Does anybody have access to a EISA Configuration Utility Floppy for an Alphaserver 1000 (or similar I think the ECU is universal amongst most EISA based Alpha machines) Debian is refusing to see my KFESA-AA DSSI card and I think that's because it's not been configured correctly via the ECU I can see my local drives on the SCSI bus, but I have two 6 disk DSSI shelves full of disks that I want to access (mainly so I can wipe them for disposal) I know the ALUG probably isn't the most obvious place for Alpha/VAXen questions but I am hoping that as the Alpha 1000 was a pretty common mid range server someone may have the utilities for one laying around. Not sure what the license says, but a DD image of the ECU floppy would really help

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Gnome icon preview of photos not always working
by Tim Green 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

On 11/25/05, Adam Bower <adam(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > I keep a few files on my desktop, due to the goodness > of Gnome doing icon preview of photos this is quite handy I find it quite odd, and anoying, when Gnome decides not to do a preview of some photos. I'll load a bunch of photos from my camera, and some of them will stay as generic icons and others will show the preview. What gives? Tim.

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[ALUG Announce] Postgrad research survey on Free/Open Source Software
by MJ Ray 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- There is a questionnaire about software use and development online at http://www.postgrad.isipartnership.net/~aschofield/FOSSsurvey.htm It's being carried out by Andrew Schofield, webmaster of the Linux Society and User Group based at the University of Salford, as part of his PhD studies. It's one page, doesn't seem to need scripts, cookies or CSS and if you provide your email address, you'll be sent a copy of the results when it's completed. -- MJ Ray - personal email, see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Work: http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ irc.oftc.net/slef Jabber/SIP ask ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Further to my apache2 error
by Chris Green 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

The error(s) I get in the apache2 error log are:- [Thu Nov 24 13:41:50 2005] [error] [client 193.128.168.194] (13)Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/cgi-bin/twiki/pub/TWiki/PlainSkin/fullscreen.gif' failed, referer: http://my.system.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiSkinBrowser?skin=pla… [Thu Nov 24 13:41:50 2005] [error] [client 193.128.168.194] Premature end of script headers: fullscreen.gif, referer: http://my.system.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiSkinBrowser?skin=pla… It appears that the perl in the TWiki is trying to execute the fullscreen.gif file. Previously I had execute permission set on the file and then I was getting "(8)Exec format error:" but otherwise the result was the same. I don't think it's an apache error as GIFs elsewhere seem to be handled OK, it's just within the TWiki that its screwy. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Simple Apache 2 question/problem
by Chris Green 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

I have apache2 running on my Slackware system, it's been there quite a while just serving some simple web pages. I've now added Twiki and, much to my surprise, it mostly works. It's only for my own edification really, and maybe the family to use as well. However I'm getting the dreaded "Premature end of script headers" error, from what I can see in the apache error log it's happening whenever the Twiki tries to display a GIF. Is there some magic I have to apply to the apache configuration so it knows how to display GIFs? Or is something else adrift maybe? -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Problem with Firefox, IE better!
by Chris Green 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

I was just trying to download a file with Firefox (Twiki.tgz from www.twiki.org) and couldn't. All Firefox would do was open the file as if it was HTML and displayed random rubbish in the browser window. Right clicking on the link didn't offer me any useful options either. IE just asked what I wanted to do and download it. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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[ALUG Announce] OpenMute Tour, Norwich
by Anthony Iles 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Hello Anglia Linux Users, I am the coordinator for UK OpenMute Tour, a tour about cultural uses of Free and Open Source Software. I sent an invite to your list earlier in the year, but the date was postponed, as a few members of the list expressed an interest I am sending it again with the new date for two days of workshop at Norwich Arts Centre, December 1st-2nd. Anthony Iles --- OPENMUTE TOUR ANNOUNCE USERLAND : FREE LIBRE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE WORKING FOR YOU! OpenMute is an online collaborative software tool initiative, and the latest in a cadre of projects by Mute Magazine. OpenMute provides 'free as in beer' web space, tools and services to the non-profit and creative sectors. The OpenMute tour is a varied set of two-day workshops with an aim to familiarise audiences, practitioners and interested parties with the current concepts and practices of Free Open Source Software (or FOSS) as well as practical hands-on help building a website or creating a community project using the OpenMute toolset. The workshops are geared towards teaching people 'you' how to use the OpenMute FOSS software for your cultural or community needs, and these workshops are geared towards a novice to intermediate user of these systems Price : £20 / £10 concessions Date : 1st-2nd December Duration : Two Days Times : 10-4pm artist's talk after first day of workshop 4.30pm. Venue : Norwich Arts Centre, St. Benedict's Street, Norwich, NR2 4PG Booking : 01603 660352 All workshop participants please register for your free floss web site http://openmute.org Full details for the UK tour http://3d.openmute.org/modules/wakka/UserLand ***1st DECEMBER 4.30PM ARTIST TALK BY RICHARD WRIGHT OF MONGREL ON FREE AND OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE AND CULTURAL PRACTICE*** ALL WELCOME / NO ADMISSION CHARGE About Mongrel Mongrel is a mixed bunch of people, machines and intelligence's working to celebrate the methods of a motley culture. We make socially engaged culture, which sometimes means making art, sometimes software, sometimes setting up workshops, or helping other mongrels to set things up. We do this by employing any and all technological advantage that we can lay our hands on. Some of us have dedicated ourselves to learning technological methods of engagement, which means we pride ourselves on our ability to programme, engineer and build our own software, while others of us have dedicated ourselves to learning how to work with people. http://www.mongrelx.org/ 1/12/05 4.30-5.30pm Norwich Arts Centre, St. Benedict's Street, Norwich, NR2 4PG --- END ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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X file manager that shows icon files
by Chris Green 21 Nov '05

21 Nov '05

I'm looking for an X file manager, or just an icon manager program, that will show me the icon files in a directory as the icons they are. Simply a display program is all I need really, just a way to select icons by name. Any suggestions? xfm isn't it as it just shows a teddy bear for all the icon files. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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UPS in Fens?
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 21 Nov '05

21 Nov '05

Hi Folks, Can anyone recommend a good place to look for a UPS within reasonable reach of Ely? I've been running a Belkin 625VA "Regulator Pro Gold" very happily for some 4 years, but unfortunately its battery is now going dodgy. In view of Belkin's approach to battery replacement, I now want to simply replace the whole UPS. So I'm looking for 600+ watts, at least 3 battery-protected 220C power outlets. One good thing about the Belkin was that its controlling software came also in a Linux version, allowing clean shutdown of connected machines. I've had a look in PC World in Cambridge, and their current stock of stuff is not up to what I'm after, though maybe I could go for a lower-rated UPS per machine. Not keen on proliferations, though! Ely itself is useless for this sort of thing. I've not tried Downham Market (prior expectations low anyway), and the one time I did browse round PC World at King's Lynn I wasn't that impressed. But people must manage somehow round here! As to Belkin's support: You have to contact them by phone. Took several calls over days, on occasion hanging on for up to 20 min, to speak to someone. Only to be told that they're not licensed to sell the batteries separately in Europe, so I'd have to send the unit back to them and they'd return it with a replacement battery. "It should be done within a week." No thanks. Apart from the hassle and expense of boxing it up and sending it myself, in these parts you don't want to be UPS-less that long! (And it might be longer). Ah well ... Thanks for any suggestions! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 16-Nov-05 Time: 15:08:33 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 21 Nov '05

21 Nov '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: Wireless Router for sale
by Simon 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

Dave, Yes please! I'll grab it off you at the next alug meeting? :) Thank you very much... -Simon Quoting main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:09:25 +0000 > From: David Reynolds <david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] Wireless Router for sale > To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Message-ID: <5a285af9a0a466cbb3c5d9209ad18242(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I have a Netgear WGR614 v5 that I want rid of. In perfect working > order, boxed with all the bits it came with. All I'm asking is 15quid > ono. > > Cheers, > > Dave > -- > David Reynolds > david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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Wireless Router for sale
by David Reynolds 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

Hi, I have a Netgear WGR614 v5 that I want rid of. In perfect working order, boxed with all the bits it came with. All I'm asking is 15quid ono. Cheers, Dave -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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GDM not shutting down
by Peter 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

This is what's in /var/log/gdm. Peter Build Date: 16 September 2005 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat Nov 19 08:00:13 2005 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (EE) Unable to open /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (EE) Failed to load module "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a" (open fa iled, 2) The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols > Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server

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RE: [ALUG] PCI-E graphics cards
by Chris Glover 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 10:31 +0000, Peter Onion wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 10:00 +0000, Peter Onion wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experience with PCI-E graphics cards ? > > > > > > I've purchased a ATI X800-GTO to put in my new AMD 64 box, but I'm > > confused > > > by what it says on the box ... "Mother board must support specialized > > 12V > > > connector for graphics cards" (Or words to that effect). > > > > > > Now there is space on the graphics card for a 6 pin (2x3) socket but > > there > > > is not one mounted there, so I'm guessing that I don't need to provide > > this > > > particular version of the card with any additional power (other than > > what it > > > can draw from the PCI-E connector). > > > > > > Any thoughts ? > > > > > > Peter > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > On both of my PCI Express equipped machines, there is a Harddrive style > > power connector right next to the PCIE slot which needs a power cable > > plugged in. This is in addition to the square 4pin connector that gives > > 12v to the processor. > > > > Hope that helps > > Mine has both of them as well, but it's obvious what to plug into them ! :-) > > My problem is the box for the graphics card seems to suggest there should be > a power connector on the card itself, yet the space is unpopulated. > > Peter It varies from card to card. You'll find the babies of the range don't have it, yet the more powerfull cards do. I have an Nvidia 6200 card, which has the solder points on the board for the socket, but no socket. It works perfectly without it. So if the manufactures never fitted the socket to the board, chances are you wont need it! HTH Chris -- Chris ---------------------------------- E Mail: chris(a)glovercc.plus.com SIP: 84411389(a)voiptalk.org IAXTEL: 17003366726

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Fat Cat Meeting, Tomorrow Night
by Simon 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi, Due to the fact a number of Alug members weren't able to make the meeting at the Reindeer last thursday, another extra meeting is being organised for tomorrow night. (Wednesday 16th Nov) Meeting at about 8pm till close. The Fat Cat, if you've not been there before is located on the corner of West End Street and Nelson Street, just off Dereham Road. (Map: http://tinyurl.com/c5sl7 ) Expect the usual mix of open source and beer! Hope you can make it. -Simon

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Window managers, changing, choosing, etc.
by Chris Green 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Why is it always so difficult to change Window Managers! :-) I currently use xfwm but I'm considering moving to an alternative because xfce is getting too 'clever' for my liking. However, because I'm using xfce's session manager it's almost locked me in to xfce. How can I disentangle things a bit? Currently I use wdm to start things up and that in turn executes my .xsession which, currently, runs xfce. wdm offers a menu of window managers but this has no effect, I'm not clear how it works, it would be nice to make it work. Alternatively where can I find a .xsession file suitable for starting other window managers? I'm quite happy to switch between window managers by simply changing the .xsession file. I can at least understand what's going on then! -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Re: [ALUG] Good Evening Everyone! New member here!
by Peter 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

Tried to install amyedit, which looks quite interesting, but on configure, it turns out to be dependency hell! Various gtkmm bits are not in the path, or not installed, so I tried installing them (this is Mandriva), they seemed to go in ok, but still can't configure. I do have apt-rpm installed, but that doesn't seem to find gtkmm... Oh well. I'll keep trying, but one question: why, in the FAQ, does it answer the question why not use GEDIT instead? Am I missing something about GEDIT? It looks like any other very stripped down text editor, and not at all to be an alternative to Kile or Lyx or anything like that. There must be more to it, if people use it to create LaTex? Peter

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