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Little wild card/scripting problem
by Chris Green 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Can anyone come up with an easy solution for the following? I can invent all sorts of multi-line ways of doing it but I can't think of a simple one-liner. I have (lots of) directories with files with names like the following in them:- 1130938547.25791_1.server:2,RS 1130938547.25791_3.server:2,RS 1130938547.25791_5.server:2,RS 1130940325.30327_1.server:2,RS 1130940325.30327_3.server:2,RS 1130940325.30327_5.server:2,RS 1130945401.24201_1.halkidiki:2,RS 1130945401.24201_3.halkidiki:2,RS 1130945401.24201_5.halkidiki:2,RS I want to run a shell script for loop on the files in these directories, it's easy enough to use find to recursively run through all the directories, the issue occurs when I do:- for i in * do # lots of clever (?) things done The 'for i in *' means that the files are processed in the order shown above with the 'server' files before the 'halkidiki' ones. I want to *guarantee* that the 'halkidiki' ones come first, can anyone come up with a way of doing this? for i in *halkidiki* *server* Doesn't work because not all the directories have both server and halkidiki files. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Cups printing
by Andy Trevor 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Is there anyone out and about that really understands Cups network printing ? If so please contact me on or off list Thanks in advance -- Regards Andy Trevor Technical Director Cutter Project Limited 07840988311 http:www.cutterproject.co.uk

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Linux/OSS conference at UEA
by Karamoon 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

Is anyone interested in a Linux/OSS conference at UEA? It should be in term time so we can get some students involved. It would essentially be a day of talks and possibly some workshops aimed at people who are new to linux and oss. A talk on installing and using Ubuntu would be great as I got 100 Ubuntu packs this morning. Positive comments and suggestions our welcome. Matthew __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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UEA ALUG society
by Karamoon 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

At the recent kitmeet several people(5) expressed interest in starting an ALUG society at Norwich UEA. Starting a UEA society involves getting 30 people to pay £3 each. The society would then be given a grantEli has suggested the name "ALUG/U" for the group. If anyone would be interested in a UEA ALUG society, or has any comments/suggestions, I would be grateful if they could let me know. Thanks for your time and consideration, Matthew(Karamoon) __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

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Job specs to make you smile
by Guy Eastwood 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

Here's the result of a jobspec work asked me for a while back. I didn't give the print guys the final copy so the typo's aren't mine yet.. the wording... well, see what you think ;o) We got two really good members of staff added to tech dept as a result too! http://surefyre.com/surefyreold/surefyre_images/nomcse.png (No the position isn't open still) I've since come across people all over the place that have seen/heard of this ad LOL! Is weird reading the ad again, the jobspec is so much more demanding now. G

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Advice required on implementing, configuring and managing a large number (> 500) of networked desktops
by Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Hi all, I'm looking for some advice and hints on how to go about installing and managing a large group of desktop machines, with shared file stores and resources such as applications, printers, etc. By large, I mean more than 500 machines. Think of a large university lab or internet cafe, where people can login to any machine, do their 'work', access their files independent of terminal used, etc. Based on my knowledge so far, under Debian GNU/Linux, the actual installation of all the machines is relatively straight-forward. Once I have setup the roles and machine groupings (based on tasks and application needs), I can use the FAI (Fully Automated Installer) which hold master 'settings' to assign each machine to a group and watch the install take place. As and when machines fail, I can just configure a new one for a specific group and then let it install and put it on the network. My confusion comes when I want to work out how to get central authentication, shared file stores, and where the line should be drawn for local/network storing of applications, files, etc. There is also the problem of scaling to 500+ machines. I know this is possible, as I used to see it in action at UEA when I studied in SYS. xdm used to talk to something (LDAP?) before allowing login. The directory of users/passwords was shared between nearly all machines so you could login to any machine using your assigned userid. So: 1) How do I do central authentication? 2) Could I use NFS for shared file access with user /home being mounted as r/w at login, or would this cause a denial of service attack on the server? Are there more scalable alternatives with intermediate caching, etc? 3) Will > 500 desktops require more than one server for shared file access? What are the preferred replication procedures in this case? 4) What the best way to network that many machines? I can run switches and bridges between the machines. Should I load-balance or shape the traffic in some way to ensure fair and fast access to the shared file store? How do I check for network saturation other than looking at blinking coloured lights :) 5) Security. I would assume standard unix security would stop one user fiddling with another's files, but how does that work over a network file store? 6) Am I correct to assume that it is best to have applications installed locally on the machines given the number of machines? 7) Is there a way to sandbox the user, so they don't enter parts of the system they aren't supposed to? I know that there is the normal root access restriction, but what about forcing them to use their network file store, rather than leaving stuff in /tmp. I know quite a bit of this depends on what the machines will be actually used for. At present, I am looking for more general advice from people who have done this before to help guide my research into this topic. In fact, I am also interested on how this would work on non-linux machines, e.g. Windows and Macs. Do these need to run separatedly, or could non-Linux based machines authenticate against a shared profile directory? I know there are many large windows based deployments. For example the Norfolk Library Services runs one for internet and application access. In fact, they seems to run a reduced version of Windows that limits what the user can and can't do. Does anyone know how that actually works? To keep this on topic, please email me off-list for non-linux based discussions. -- Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. http://www.ashleyhowes.com "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in different ways; the point is to change it." - Karl Marx

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Linux.com article: Hardware emulation with QEMU
by Keith Watson 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/10/24/1845248 Regards, Keith ____________ You can never turn your back on reality, it surrounds you. - Stanislaw J. Lec

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Re: [ALUG] Hunt the Swap Hog
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

On 01-Nov-05 Maz Walker wrote: > On 11/1/05, Ted Harding <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> What might be the best way to find out what could be >> hogging swap-space? > > > Hi Ted > > Try running top and then press the f key to add another field, > then the p key to add the swap size. You can change the sort > order of top on the latest versions, press h for help to see > if yours can do that. Hope that helps, > Maz. Thanks, yes it does a bit! Unfortunately swap is not one of the variables I can sort on in my 'top'. A:age M:resident memory usage N:pid T:time (or cumulative time) P:CPU usage only! Tried getting 'ps' to show me, but it's confusing and I'm not sure whether it did or not. Cheers, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Nov-05 Time: 20:44:26 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Hunt the Swap Hog
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

What might be the best way to find out what could be hogging swap-space? Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Nov-05 Time: 19:29:43 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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RE: [ALUG] Help for UEA student
by Keith Watson 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

> Quoting Laurie Brown < >: > > > I'm pretty sure one or two subscribers to this list work > at/in UEA... > > A friend of mine's daughter has just started there and has been > > obliged to put McAfee on her (XP Pro) laptop. The problem is, > > everytime she joins the UEA net, the machine slows to a > crawl. Would > > anyone be so kind as to take a look at it for her please? > > > > Cheers, Laurie. > > From: Simon Sent: 31 October 2005 16:59 > > This is true and also some-what annoying. Windows users > *have* to install McAfee anti-virus 8 before they can connect > to the network. A friend of mine had to uninstall McAfee 10 - > seems silly but I suppose it's a good thing in a way. I have > McAfee on my Windows 2000 installation, I haven't noticed > that it slows down. The only thing I would put it down to, > would be scanning all the files on the disc for virii which > would slow the machine down but you can't really stop it doing that. > Yes, we use McAfee here at work and it seems to run ok on my HP laptop (Win XP Pro). You do get an initial hit as it insists on doing a full scan of all the local disks which does hammer the machine at first. It may be worth her just starting up and leaving it for a couple of hours (days?). Other than that, Simon may be right in suspecting something else that's doing a lot of disk i/o, that may also cause McAfee to do a lot of work if it involves disk writes. I'm going to shut up now as this is way of topic for an ALUG post - sorry folks! Regards, Keith ____________ The shortest answer is doing. - George Herbert

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 31 Oct '05

31 Oct '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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PHP / MySQL web developer Job
by David Reynolds 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

Hi, I've been asked to post this job application here, in case anyone is interested: Job Type: Permanent Job Title: PHP MySQL Website Developer Location: North Norwich, Norfolk Salary: Negotiable Details: We are looking for a team player to join our development team. We have an excellent track record in delivering a diverse range of web projects to small and medium sized business across Norfolk. Ideally you will have commercial experience developing websites using PHP and MySQL preferably in a Linux environment. Ideally you'll also have an ability to create graphic designs for a web environment. Please forward a covering letter and CV to paul(a)paston.co.uk Cheers, David -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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/var/log/lastlog
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

Hi Folks, It's spring-clean time again ... Been recovering disk space occupied by stuff I don't really want to know about. In particular, /var/log/lastlog is 19MB in size, but the output of 'lastlog' is 2225 bytes on 35 lines, telling me *ALL About the Very Last Time Each User Logged In*.[1] Most of these are, of course "pseudo" users like bin daemon adm lp sync shutdown halt mail news uucp operator games gopher ftp rpm vcsa nscd sshd rpc rpcuser nfsnobody mailnull smmsp pcap apache xfs named ntp gdm who never log in anyway! So that's 19136220/35 = 546749 bytes or half a MB for each "user", and from inspection nearly all of that is bytes with value "00"! (Indeed it gzips down to 18668 bytes, i.e. 1/1000). Now I can use an extra 19MB of space on that partition (whose free space varies from near-0 to about 400MB depending on what I'm up to), so I'm feeling mean about 19MB devoted to totally boring info. Hence I'm wondering (a) what's the best way to suppress this lastlog stuff; (b) would it traumatise the system to suppress it? Thanks for any comments! Best wishes to all, Ted. [1]. E.g. ftp **Never logged in** ted pts/12 brandy Sun Oct 30 10:09:37 +0000 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 30-Oct-05 Time: 10:41:23 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Penguins
by Anthony Anson 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

It has been reported that penguins can get avian 'flu as well: Now read on - nicked from a newsgroup: H5N1 BIRD FLU BELIEVED TO BE FIRST VIRUS UNABLE TO SPREAD THROUGH MICROSOFT OUTLOOK Researchers Shocked to Finally Find Virus That Email App Doesn't Like Atlanta, Ga. Scientists at the Center for Disease Control and Symantec's AntiVirus Research Center today confirmed that H5N1 bird flu cannot be spread by Microsoft's Outlook email application, believed to be the first time the program has ever failed to propagate a major virus. "Frankly, we've never heard of a virus that couldn't spread through Microsoft Outlook, so our findings were, to say the least, unexpected," said Clive Sarnow, director of the CDC's infectious disease unit. The study was immediately hailed by British officials, who said it will save millions of pounds. "Up until now we have, quite naturally, assumed that bird flu was spread by Microsoft Outlook," said Sir Liam Donaldson, Britain's Chief Medical Officer. "By eliminating it, we can focus our resources elsewhere." However, researchers in Romania, where bird flu has recently appeared, said they are not yet prepared to disqualify Outlook, which has been the progenitor of viruses such as "I Love You," "Bubbleboy," "Anna Kournikova," and "Naked Wife," to name but a few. Said Andrei Niculescu, director of the Molecular Virology Lab at Bucharest University: "It's not that we don't trust the research, it's just that as scientists, we are trained to be sceptical of any finding that flies in the face of established truth. And this one flies in the face like a blind drunk sparrow." Executives at Microsoft, meanwhile, were equally sceptical, insisting that Outlook's patented Virus Transfer Protocol (VTP) has proven virtually pervious to any virus. The company, however, will issue a free VTP patch if it turns out the application is not vulnerable to bird flu. Such an admission would be embarrassing for the software giant, but Symantec virologist Ariel Kologne insisted that no one is more humiliated by the study than she is. "Only last week, I had a reporter ask if the bird flu spreads through Microsoft Outlook, and I told him, 'Doesn't everything?'" she recalled. "Who would've thought?" -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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Southern kit meet - any takers?
by Chris Green 28 Oct '05

28 Oct '05

It was suggested a little while ago that we might have a 'southern' kit meet, somewhere near Ipswich for example. Is there much support for this idea? E.g. how many people would actually come? Assuming that there aren't 500 people coming I could host it if the location was deemed suitable. I'm just about equidistant from Ipswich, Felixstowe and Woodbridge and very easy to get to from the A14, as long as you don't mind narrow lanes. Personally I'd prefer an evening rather than week-end as daylight is a precious resource needed for working outside. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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RE: [ALUG] PHP / MySQL web developer Job
by Keith Watson 28 Oct '05

28 Oct '05

> From: MJ Ray Sent: 28 October 2005 14:19 > > David Reynolds <david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk> > > I've been asked to post this job application here, in case anyone is > > interested: > > Please send job adverts to linuxjobs. You can find it at > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs > or linked from the FAQ. As a list subscriber I am quite happy for local people to post job vacancies for linux related local jobs here. Of course it's in their own interest for them to cross post to linuxjobs also. Regards, Keith ____________ All that is gold does not glitter; nor all those that wander are lost. - J.R.R. Tolkien

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RE: [ALUG] Penguins
by Keith Watson 28 Oct '05

28 Oct '05

> From: Anthony Anson > > The message > <63F7A21F1CA18143AFDBF28E2A7D6BBA02667C7D(a)endor.kewill-europe.com> > from "Keith Watson" <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> contains these words: > > > I definitely would not mix Lemsip and whiskey. Lemsip and brandy is > > better but I would recommend that you leave off the Lemsip and just > > keep taking the brandy (preferably French and over 10 years old :o). > > Expensive, yes, but after the 3rd glass who cares!! > > Make the first two glasses 50 year old Grand Armagnac, after > that you can guzzle cheapo - you'll hardly know the difference. > I'll drink to that! :o) Regards, Keith ____________ Everything that can be invented already has been. - This statement was released in 1899 by the U.S. Patent Office. - If these 'experts' ran the world we would still be sitting in the dark.

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RE: [ALUG] Penguins
by Keith Watson 28 Oct '05

28 Oct '05

> From: Wayne Stallwood Sent: 27 October 2005 18:48 > > (Before anyone asks...no I don't have bird flu, I have Man > Flu which is of course at least a thousand times worse) > I doubt that birds see it that way! :o) > On a related note, do you think it is safe to mix lemsip and Whisky ? > Doesn't specifically say you can't on the packet....or am I > better of drinking one after the other ? > I definitely would not mix Lemsip and whiskey. Lemsip and brandy is better but I would recommend that you leave off the Lemsip and just keep taking the brandy (preferably French and over 10 years old :o). Expensive, yes, but after the 3rd glass who cares!! Regards, Keith ____________ Knowledge is learning something every day. - Wisdom is letting go of something every day. - Zen Saying

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anyone got a kit-meet report?
by Nick Atkins 28 Oct '05

28 Oct '05

Would anyone be able to report on how successful your kit-meet was? I'd love to have made it but couldn't. I'd be interested to know how it went, how many turned up, how long was spent, were there any interesting moments where kit was saved from the trash can, any new inventions take flight, did you enjoy it, what would you do differently next time? etc. etc. I have never done anything like this before and it struck me that if you were meeting quite late then it would be midnight before you knew it, but then maybe you worked through the night? I very much look forward to any contributions, Nick Atkins, South Norfolk

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RE: Routing puzzle [solved]
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

Thanks to a number of people -- Bob Franklin, Geoff ("IT"), Simon Hobson, John Logsdon (also several private talks), on linux-users; Adam Allen, Guy Eastwood, Jim Rippon, MJ Ray, Wayne Stallwood, "Ten", Maz Walker, Keith Watson, on ALUG; it is now done! As more than a few pointed out, the trick (and I hope this solution will be useful to others in the same situation) is that the ADSL router needs to know how to talk back to the originating internal network. So it needs to have a static route to this configured on the router itself. To make it explicit: A: 192.168.0.1 eth0 default gateway -> C = 192.168.0.6 B: 192.168.0.7 eth0 default gateway -> C = 192.168.0.6 C: 192.168.0.6 eth0 default gateway -> ADSL = 192.168.1.1 C: 192.168.1.3 eth1 ADSL: Own address = 192.168.1.1, expects to be talking to 192.168.1.3 Now the following is at least partially specific to the BT Voyager 205 ADSL Router, since it refers to details of its Web interface config pages accessed via http://192.168.1.1 1. Go into "Advanced" & login as administrator 2. Go to "IP Routing" -> "IP Route" and then you see an "IP Address Table" (slightly pruned). Destn Netmask NextHop IFName RtType RtOrigin 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 62.3.82.17 ppp-0 Indirect Dynamic 62.3.82.17 255.255.255.255 xx.yy.zz.pqr ppp-0 Direct Dynamic xx.yy.zz.pqr 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 lo-0 Direct Dynamic 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 lo-0 Direct Dynamic 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.1 eth-0 Direct Dynamic 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 lo-0 Direct Dynamic 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 lo-0 Direct Dynamic 212.23.3.11 255.255.255.255 62.3.82.17 ppp-0 Indirect Dynamic 212.23.6.35 255.255.255.255 62.3.82.17 ppp-0 Indirect Dynamic (where "xx.yy.zz.pqr" is my "public" Zen IP addressi, and 62.3.82.17 is Zen's gateway for this connection. The "212..." addresses are Zen nameservers.) 192.168.1.1 is the router's internal ethernet interface, and 192.168.1.2 is its USB interface. It looks to 192.168.1.{3,4,5,...} for outside connections via ETH/USB and in fact I set up C's eth1 to be 192.168.1.3 which works fine. So as we can see there is of course nothing to with with 192.168.0.0 in there. At this stage there is an "Add" button at the bottom which brings up a form for entering the details of a new route. So I entered "192.168.0.0" for Destinatiom, left "255.255.255.0" as it was for the Netmask, and entered "192.158.1.3" (the address of eth1 as seen from machine C) as the "Gateway/NextHop". This resulted in the following line: 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.3 eth-0 Indirect Local appearing in the abpve table, just above the "192.168.1.0" line. Click "Apply" and then "Close" on the subsequent window, and it's done! Thanks to all who joined in, and get me pointingin the right direction. Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 27-Oct-05 Time: 11:50:41 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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RE: [ALUG] Routing puzzle
by Keith Watson 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

Hi Ted, seems to me that you need to end up with a routing table on A or C that looks like this; Routing table for C = 192.168.0.7 (similar for A = 192.168.0.1): ---------------------------------------------------------------- Destination Gateway Genmask Flags (blah) Iface 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U (blah) lo 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U (blah) eth0 192.168.1.1 192.168.0.6 255.255.255.0 UG (blah) eth0 <====== new entry default 192.168.0.6 0.0.0.0 UG (blah) eth0 so that A & C know to route everything for 192.168.1.1 via B (192.168.0.6) (though I would have thought that the default entry would pick this up!!) so try something like route add 192.168.1.1 gw 192.168.0.6 i.e. explicitly tell the box that traffic for 192.168.1.1 is to be routed via B. Regards, Keith ____________ Old CM people never die, they just get archived and can be reproduced at any time.

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Routing puzzle
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

Hi Folks, I have a bit of a conundrum. Maybe there's just some simple trick I'm missing. Sorry for the lengthy background below! I've been happily running a dialup connection to the outside world on my 3-4 machine home LAN. In this, one machine has the modem and does the dialup, and the others have a default route which points to that machine. This has no default route in general, but when kppp completes the dialup connection it installs one via ppp0, and deletes it when kppp closes down. This works fine: all the other machines can find any address outside when this machine has its default ppp0 route up. Now I finally have ADSL broadband as well. This connects via a Voyager 205 ADSL modem. This has IP address 192.168.1.1. Here the situation is that, if I put a second NIC in any of the machines as eth1, give it IP address 192.168.1.3 (since this is the first in line of IP addresses which the modem gives out) and also manually install a default route to the net 192.168.1.0 via eth1, then from that machine I can also readily access the outside world. However, I have not managed to configure the machines so as to route through the ADSL machine via its eth1 in a similar way to ppp0. Say machine C has the ADSL modem on eth1, and machines A, B and C are linked over a network on eth0 for each. The C can see the Net, while A and B can not. Here is the outline of the configuration. A 192.168.0.1 eth0 B 192.168.0.7 eth0 C 192.168.0.6 eth0 192.168.2.0 vmnet1 [bridging network for VMWare] 192.168.1.3 eth1 --> 192.168.1.1 [ADSL modem/router] xxx.yyy.x.w ppp0 [when dialled up, ISP's dynamic IP] The other side of the ADSL router gets a fixed IP from the ISP, but I never need to see this. Now for what happens when not using ADSL, just dialup. [1] 'route' for A gives ----------------------- 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 555 eth0 loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 11 lo default C 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 19 eth0 [2] 'route for B gives ---------------------- 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default Co 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 19 eth0 [3] 'route' for C, when not dialled up, gives --------------------------------------------- Destination Gateway Genmask Flags ... Iface 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U ... vmnet1 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U ... eth1 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U ... eth0 [4] and, when C has dialled up ------------------------------ imsnet-cl10-hg1 * 255.255.255.255 UH ... ppp0 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U ... vmnet1 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U ... eth1 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U ... eth0 default msnet-cl10-hg1 0. 0. 0.0 UG ... ppp0 In this configuration, as described above, all three machines can reach the Net without problems, routing through ppp0 on C. Now, with the ADSL router in place on C, I make the change analagous to [3]->[4] above, by adding the route to the ADSL 192.168.1.1 and the default route to the same on eth1. But this does not work. While C has no problems seeing the net, beither A nor B can. I feel stumped here, but -- as I say -- there's undoubtedly something simple I;ve overlooked. Comments and suggestions most welcom! Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 25-Oct-05 Time: 18:54:56 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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RE: [ALUG] Routing puzzle
by Keith Watson 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

> From: Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk Sent: 26 October 2005 13:11 > > 5. I now add a default gateway to B > > route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 > > (this being the IP address of the router itself) and with this > setup I can access the web quite freely from machine B. > > 6. The other two machines (A and C) each have default gateway B. > > 7. However, from neither of the other machines can I access > the web at all. > > 8. This contrasts, however, with the behaviour when B is used > to dial-up using an ordinary phone modem. Kppp does the > business, and when it's done there's a default route on B > via PPP through interface ppp0 to the outside world. > > With this, and default routes on A and C as above, unchanged, > all 3 machines can access the web freely. > Hi Ted, I'm coming into this thread a bit late (and someone may have already suggested this) but have you tried route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 on machines A & C? Regards, Keith ____________ BAROMETER, n. - An ingenious instrument which indicates what kind of weather we are having. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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OpenOffice and mdb files
by MJ Ray 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

A kind soul has posted me some mdb files to look at. I've had a look at the "Most FAQ" on www.openoffice.org and it seems to suggest that I can use them from OpenOffice by loading them into Microsoft Access. Obviously, that's slower and fiddlier for me. Do you know any other ways of getting useful information out of them? Thanks, -- MJ Ray - personal email, see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Work: http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ irc.oftc.net/slef Jabber/SIP ask

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Web site designs
by MJ Ray 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

There's the designs on Brett's page at http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/alug/retheme-engine/ and a slightly updated one of mine at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/comp/alugtalk/ -- any others I've missed, or shall we move on? Thanks, -- MJ Ray - personal email, see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Work: http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ irc.oftc.net/slef Jabber/SIP ask

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