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Importing mail into Evolution
by Wayne Stallwood 10 Jun '05

10 Jun '05

Right, in a fit of alcohol induced madness I have decided that after about 5 years of computing with SuSE I should give something else a try. I had a Ubuntu Virtual Machine running for a bit and was pretty impressed with it so I thought (again remember here I had been drinking) why not just nuke / (leaving /home intact) and install it. So far most things seem to be working quite well, there is however one slight gotcha. For some reason kmail on SuSE seemed to be saving my messages in two formats. Inbox and a few others are a single large file that Evolution seems quite happy importing. But some other folders (including my ALUG folder and more importantly my "Sent Items" are in a format whereby each message is an individual file in a folder called "Sent-Items" and then within that I have "cur" "new" and "tmp" The Messages are all in "cur" presumably because they are read, the filename is composed of some random looking number like "1032089908.1918.F3H0:2,S" How do I import these messages, Evolution lets me select a single one in the import file dialogue, but I can't select them all. Many Thanks Wayne

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More mutterings about ssh, passwordless login, ssh-agent, etc.
by Chris Green 09 Jun '05

09 Jun '05

I've been thinking about the security of my system(s) a bit more over the past week or so. I use ssh from home to work, from work to home and to connect from both home and work to a couple of remote systems where I have Linux shell login accounts. All the accepted 'rules' about security when using ssh say that one shouldn't use a 'no passphrase' key to get passwordless login, instead one should use a key phrase and ssh-keygen. From where I'm looking a 'key phrase' is exactly the same (from a user point of view) as a password - it's a (supposedly) difficult to guess string that I have to enter in order to log on to a remote system. The *only* advantage that using ssh-keygen gives you is that you (may) only have to type the passphrase in once for several logins. Since I tend to only login to remote systems once per session using ssh-keygen is (for me) no different from using a normal password. So, I've been looking around at other things that relate to this. One possibility is HostBasedAuthentication where it's the machine rather than the user that has the RSA/DSA keys. Doing this allows the keys to be readable by root only which adds a little extra protection but not a great deal (one site even says HostBasedAuthentication is less secure than a 'no passphrase' personal key). It also requires quite a lot more fiddling around with .shosts files and such and, of course, requires root access. So I have decided HostBasedAuthentication doesn't really do much for me. Another utility I have discovered is keychain, this is a sort of super ssh-agent which provides ssh-agent type facilities for a whole system which only needs to be renewed (i.e. the passphrase re-entered) when the system is rebooted. However, on thinking about it, I don't really see how this offers any better security than a 'no passphrase' personal key. Anyone who could steal your 'no passphrase' key could also use the running keychain, I really don't see what use it is at all, it just makes things more complicated. So finally I'm back at staying where I am, using a 'no passphrase' key to provide passwordless logins. One thing that would improve my security is to restrict ssh access without a password to specific IP addresses, I wonder if it's possible to do this as well as allowing password based access from other systems. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Re: [ALUG] Norwich Anarchist Bookfair
by Sunflowerinrain 09 Jun '05

09 Jun '05

MJ Ray wrote... > Norwich 2nd Anarchist Bookfair 11 June Waterloo Park. > See http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/cambridge/2005/06/312709.html > > I'm not able to attend, but I'll send ALUG, AFFS or GNUstep > leaflets and/or CDs to anyone who wants to go. I'd be happy to go to the Bookfair, as last year, but only to smile sweetly and hand things out. Somebody else is needed to answer questions! e

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alug library
by Paul 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

What's happened to the alug library ? Last I heard, Wayne was in the process of setting up an online catalogue and reservation system, but http://cgi.digimatic.plus.com/opendb/ goes nowhere.. /me was hoping to browse the available titles and reserve a few.. Regards, Paul. -- Pieces of seven, pieces of seven - A parroty error. "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password." From a collection of quotes at http://www.indigo.org/quotes.html

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ALUG Social Meeting Reminder: Thursday 9th June 2005, The Reindeer, Dereham Road, Starting from around 8pm (ish)
by Brett Parker 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, Just a quick reminder of the social meeting in The Reindeer on Dereham Road in Norwich tommorow (Thurs 9th June 2005). It should be starting around 8pm ish, I'll probably be there a little bit earlier than that, beware however that I'm less beardy than I have been in the past, at least 2 people failed to recognise me last month, but the beard is coming back so it should be less difficult this month ;) Photos of the usual suspects can be found from the following URLs: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-11-ALUG-Syleham/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2005-01-ALUG-Xmas/ Directions to The Reindeer can be found from the ALUG site at the following URL: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html (hrm, looks like I need to send a new patch off for that, looks like I just spotted some bugs, but the map is right and the directions are right, so, erm... someone remind me to do that sometime ;) I know that Adam (quinophex) is hoping to get to the meeting, I shall, naturally, it being a pub, be there, I'm also expecting Jonathan (Noodles) to show up, he rarely misses these things, and Eli has already confirmed that she should be attending. Paul seems to be avoiding confirming wether or not he's turning up at the moment, so I expect he'll turn up... Hope you can all make it, if anyone wants a set of Sarge 3.1r0a CDs or DVDs please tell me in advance and I'll try to run some off, though, with the CDs I'd rather just run off CD1 and let you do a net install after that (the full i386 or powerpc CD set is 14 CDs, and that's with no source), the DVD set for i386 or powerpc is 2 DVDs (also no source). The source CD set is 15CDs, or 3 DVDs. Price is negotiable, just enough to cover my costs (i.e. blank CDs/DVDs) is fine, but feel free to buy me beer also :) Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCpwPeEh8oWxevnjQRApnFAJ0QSGwiBgpyliKH48/3BP6H+1gUvwCgpAME PEJzJU51yLzFPmxaVONaEr4= =3/bL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Removing duplicate mail messages
by Chris Green 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

I'm shortly aiming to merge a load of mail messages, they stored in various different mbox hierarchies. It should be pretty easy to write a little script to simply merge all the files in the same place in the hierachy together but then I'll need to remove duplicate messages as I know quite large chunks will be the same messages which have been stored in different places. Are there any tools out there which will take a mbox file and remove duplicate messages? Removal on the basis of Message-Id: would be fine. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Apple-Intel.
by Bob Dove 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Apple X86? Why??? What's wrong with Motorola? Linux users switching to OSX (Unix) - again why? You guys seem to have a strong grip on Linux with bags of O/S to choose and run, and WINE already available to you for your Win apps why bother with OSX? Cheers, BD. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005

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Debian Sarge finally released!
by Brett Parker 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, For those that haven't already seen the announcement, yesterday saw the release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r0: Sarge. The official announcement is available from: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 Yay! Party! Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCpVejEh8oWxevnjQRAj1tAJ9L/2I3UuOLhthkFjNX8oqYeM41YQCgr6g6 Chjd8p7e6QaS5xhFPodgSw4= =xywt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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GnuCash
by Stuart Bailey 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

I'm have been using GnuCash 1.8.8 for the last 9 months for my business accounts. My accountant has just ask me for my account in a spreadsheet format - I'd be happy with CSV. I can't find anyway in GnuCash to export to anything other than xml. Is there anyway to export to spreadsheet - even via a third party tool? Many thanks, Stuart. -- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Proprietor) Linux Specialist (01953) 601294 (07778) 383739 http://www.linusoft.co.uk ---------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please email postmaster(a)linusoft.co.uk immediately. You should not copy or use this email or attachments for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. NO BINDING CONTRACT WILL RESULT FROM THIS E-MAIL UNTIL SUCH TIME AS A WRITTEN DOCUMENT IS SIGNED ON BEHALF OF LinuSoft. LinuSoft cannot accept any responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks. *************************************************************************

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Linux Format / Linux Magazine (fwd)
by MJ Ray 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

On the edge of the region. Anyone want them? > Name: Derek O'Connell > Email: dmoc02 at yahoo.co.uk > Subject: Mags > Message: Hello! I'm based in Hornchurch, Essex. If you know anyone who > may be interested in the following mags for free (as long as they are > collected) then please pass my email address on to them. Thanks. > > Linux Format, 58 issues: > 2000: 9 issues + cd\'s : 1..9 > 2001: 13 issues + cd\'s : 10..22 > 2002: 13 issues + dvd\'s: 23..35 > 2003: 13 issues + dvd\'s: 36..48 > 2004: 10 issues + dvd\'s: 49..58 > > Linux Magazine, 23 issues: 2..23 (+cd\'s), 42 (dvd)

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irc
by andy 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

been trying to join your irc folks,using ksirc,can't seem to join. any tips as i'm new to irc.could you point me in direction of the server you're on,login details,etc thanks andy

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Ubuntu opinions
by Jenny Hopkins 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

Hi List, A friend of mine is trying out Ubuntu linux. I know there are some ALUG members who have tried Ubuntu and rave about it enthusiastically (you know who you are :-)) Anyway, I said I would ask what is so great about it and what the general opinion is and how it differs from, say, debian. Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [ALUG] Next Social Meeting: The Reindeer, Dereham Road, Norwich: Thurs 9th June from 8pm
by sunflowerinrain＠btinternet.com 04 Jun '05

04 Jun '05

> Brett Parker wrote: > I haven't actually confirmed with those thar people up > thar that they be coming, but I would imagine that at > least Me and Jonathan will be about, the rest of 'em > depends on baby sitting duties, wether or not they're > in the country, and other such fun family commitments In the country, sah! in Norwich, even. -- e

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Next Social Meeting: The Reindeer, Dereham Road, Norwich: Thurs 9th June from 8pm
by Brett Parker 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, We're nearly at that time of the month again, yes, that's right, the time for the second thursday, Norwich, ALUG social evening meeting. This will be in The Reindeer from ~ 8pm (ish - I'll probably be there before that, depending on how bad the work day has been :)) on Thursday 9 June 2005. Attendees to these meetings usually include (but are most certainly not limited to, we like new people!): Me (iDunno) Jonathan (Noodles) Adam Bower (quinophex) Kirsten Naylor (wildduck) Eli (sunflowerinrain) Paul (paul_c) Martijn (mak) Last month we had a very nice turnout, it was good to see you all, I hope you can make it again this month. For those that don't know where The Reindeer is, the directions can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html (OK - so this was more or less cribbed from last months announcement, shhh... don't tell anyone... I haven't actually confirmed with those thar people up thar that they be coming, but I would imagine that at least Me and Jonathan will be about, the rest of 'em depends on baby sitting duties, wether or not they're in the country, and other such fun family commitments ;) Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCoCsYEh8oWxevnjQRAiF8AJ45CSKDEoJlpmCtRNEkNBduFbk6tgCeKLYx VB2FlCZhim+XdYrxkfZ7giQ= =oZ0y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Where do I find colour names?
by Chris Green 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Where can I find the file that lists the X colour names? E.g. where are things like 'grey90', 'magenta4' and 'blue3' defined? I can find it on my Solaris machine at work but not on my Linux box at home. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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"The World Tonight": Brazil & OSS
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Hi Folks, There was a neat item on "The World Tonight" tonight (Radio 4, Tue 31 May) regarding what looks like a very determined effort by Brazil to move to Open Source. You can Listen Again in the usual way to the whole program if you want to, but to get just the OSS item feed the following to RealPlayer: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/worldtonight/ worldtonight_tue.ra?start="00:33:45.0"&end="00:39:15.0" (this is all one line). Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Jun-05 Time: 01:43:50 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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4.2.2 installation oddities
by Chris Green 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

Some further oddities about my xfce-4.2.2 installation on Slackware:- The background doesn't cover all the background if you see what I mean. I have the background set to blue but the top cm. or so of the background is pale grey. Middle mouse button click on the background does bring up a menu, it's a menu of applications to go to, not one I've ever used. When I right click on the funny (not very useful) thing in the bottom right corner and select 'Properties' I get an error saying 'Xfce Settings Manager error: No such plugin "xfibx"'. Similarly when I right click on the task bar and select Properties I get a similar error saying 'Xfce Settings Manager error: No such plugin "xfce"' Why am I getting all these missing plugins? -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Any students here?
by Joe Button 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

"This Summer, don't let your programming skills lie fallow...Use them for the greater good of Open Source Software and computer science! Google will provide a $4500 award to each student who successfully completes an open source project by the end of the Summer." See http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html for more details. The deadline for proposals is less than two weeks away. I'm not a student but if anyone would like help getting a proposal together I'd be very happy to take a look. There's a flyer ( http://code.google.com/summerofcode.pdf ) which maybe someone could put up at the UEA CS labs etc? Joe

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Forcing "Return-Path:" in sendmail
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

Hi Folks, I want to find a way to *force* sendmail to include a specified "Return-Path:" header in mail it sends to a remote [E]SMTP server. Specifically: Return-Path: Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk rather than the header it computes automatically. Thanks for any suggestions! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 21-May-05 Time: 21:05:22 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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inetd.conf and what's not in it
by Chris Green 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

I know quite a few daemons/servers are no longer started up by inetd, is there any logic to whether they are started this way or not? Further to this (and more importantly) how does one work out how an IP service is started if it's not in inetd.conf? In particular I can't see what starts the IMAP4 services but they most definitely do start. There's an 'imap2' entry in inetd.conf but not an 'imap4' one, is this the one that starts an connection on port 143? -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Copying multiple files in a range
by Chris Glover 31 May '05

31 May '05

Hi, Here's one for you... If I have a range of files named dcp_1100.jpg - dcp_1189.jpg and I only want to copy 1156-1183, how do I do it. cp dcp_11[56-83].jpg <dest> does not work, but cp dcp_115[6-9].jpg <dest> does. What am I missing? There's got to be an easier way than typing it out serveral times for the range needed? Thanks Chris -- Chris ---------------------------------- E Mail: chris(a)glovercc.plus.com SIP: 84411389(a)voiptalk.org IAXTEL: 17003366726

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Copying IMAP folders, and/or a hierarchy of folders
by Chris Green 31 May '05

31 May '05

I'm still banging away at this problem and haven't yet found a satisfactory solution. There is a lot of mail hosted on my company's web hosting service, it's kept in a Cyrus IMAP server and access is via Horde/Imp webmail. This works pretty well but I'd like to be able to get at it in other ways and to archive some of it. So I asked the sysadmin to open up the IMAP server so I can access it from my home machine, this he has done and I can access it via IMAP/SSL on port 993. Using an stunnel client I can also access it as an 'ordinary' IMAP server for clients that don't do SSL. My two main requirements are:- 1 - To be able to copy (large) IMAP folders containing old sentmail as archived by Horde to our home machines, it can then be backed up there (saved to CD for instance) and removed from the Cyrus server to save space. 2 - To be able to copy a complete hierarchy of a user's messages on the IMAP server to a home machine. This will enable access with a normal (as opposed to webmail) client, I may even move some users from the remote webmail service to a home machine. I can find no utility or mail client that does both of the above satisfactorily. Initially one would think that any MUA that handles IMAP mail should be able to do it but I can't find one that does. Even the simpler requirement 1 can't be handled by most mail clients, e.g.:- Thunderbird - if you drag and drop a folder from the IMAP server to a local folder the folder is copied but none of its contents are copied, they do however appear to be removed from the remote folder - instant loss of mail! OE (yes someone recommended this) - simply can't be made to move/copy folders as far as I can see. I've tried Balsa and Kmail but neither worked, I can't remember the exact details. mutt - does a reasonable job, you can tag all the mail messages in an IMAP folder and then copy them to a local folder. However it's a bit clumsy and isn't really dealing with folders. Moving a whole hierarchy is even more difficult because each MUA and IMAP server seems to have its own way of arranging things, some see INBOX as the root of a user's hierarchy, others see INBOX as just another folder rooted at the same place as the rest of the hierarchy. Some allow both folders and mail in a folder, some don't. Often the view of a remote IMAP server is different from a local hierarchy. There are a number of utilities (imapsync, iisync, imapcopy, offlineimap, etc.) which are supposed to copy IMAP hierarchies but none works for me yet. A while ago I *did* successfully copy some IMAP hiearachies from a UW-Imap server to my home system but the same utility doesn't work satifactorily running from a Cyrus server. One of the main problems is that Cyrus allows both folders and mail within a folder, this needs some workarounds when transferring to a server (or mailbox hierarchy) where this isn't possible. Does anyone have any suggestions (apart from writing my own utility in perl, which is where I seem to be going at the moment). -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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"tracker cookie" ???
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 30 May '05

30 May '05

Hi Folks, This may be a falsely started hare. However, while browsing with Google, I suddenly got a pop-up which informed me that a "scan" had revealed that my machine had a cookie stored which would allow "tracking", i.e. spyware which could transmit information from my machine. It then invited me to download a free scanner to cure the problem. I have more than a suspicion that this cure might turn out to be worse than the alleged disease, but I'd be interested to see other people's comments! Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 29-May-05 Time: 20:22:56 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #555 - 2 msgs
by pam.kelly 30 May '05

30 May '05

Have a look at www.asterisk.org. Ott for what you want but it should lead you to the right places. Look for cheap cards - I got an X100P clone on ebay for about £18 a couple of years ago and it worked fine. Probably cheaper now. I don't think it's any different to a soft modem, just more expensive and has a driver that'll do what you want. ----- Original Message ----- From: <main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk> To: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: main digest, Vol 3 #555 - 2 msgs > Send main mailing list submissions to > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of main digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Use PC as a traditional phone (Steve Fosdick) > 2. Re: Use PC as a traditional phone (Wayne Stallwood) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:19:08 +0000 > From: Steve Fosdick <lists(a)pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: [ALUG] Use PC as a traditional phone > > I'd like to use the PC as a phone, i.e. transmit sound from the mic-in on t= > he soundcard to the phone line, have the sound received from the phone line= > available for mixing in the sound card's headphone out and be able to dial= > from software. All this, of course, under Linux. > > Does anyone know what hardware I should look for for this. I am assuming s= > ome kind of modem or modem card but these seem a bit of a minefield. Does = > the little link cable that runs from a PCI modem card to the sound card do = > everything I need or do I need to be able to copy data digitally? How can = > I tell which modem chipsets have enough support to be able to do what I wan= > t? > > TiA, > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.plus.com> > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [ALUG] Use PC as a traditional phone > Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:07:05 +0100 > > On Friday 27 May 2005 12:19 pm, Steve Fosdick wrote: > > I'd like to use the PC as a phone, i.e. transmit sound from the mic-in on > > the soundcard to the phone line, have the sound received from the phone > > line available for mixing in the sound card's headphone out and be able to > > dial from software. All this, of course, under Linux. > > > Sorry I have to ask why ? Why not just use Skype (or perhaps a more Open VoIP > system) to make and receive calls (Skype even supports incoming and outgoing > calls to/from a regular phone now)...Perhaps you don't have a broadband > connection ? > > > Does anyone know what hardware I should look for for this. I am assuming > > some kind of modem or modem card but these seem a bit of a minefield. Does > > the little link cable that runs from a PCI modem card to the sound card do > > everything I need or do I need to be able to copy data digitally? How can > > I tell which modem chipsets have enough support to be able to do what I > > want? > > No if you have the audio link through to the Modem then that should be > enough,I am not sure quite how the software thing will work, Presumably it > can all be done with a few AT commands to get the modem to dial but not try > and handshake in the same way that the old dialler app on Windows did. I have > not seen or heard of any application similar to the dialler app on Windows > that do what you want, and even if it did I fear that the audio quality will > be behind that of a decent desk phone unless you invest some money in a > decent headset. > > In my experience the mic in on modern soundcards is pretty useles, so you > would be looking towards a USB headset, but then you are going to have to > mess about with your mixer on the system to link the output of the headset to > the input of the modem cards audio device and vice versa. > > Also I think that maybe most of the software winmodem cards (that seem to be > pretty much the only sort you can buy these days) won't have the audio > passthrough facilities you will need. > > There are still some old school voice/fax/data serial modems on the market > that would do what you want, but naturally the software that comes with them > is Windows specific and if anybody else here remembers "Supervoice" often > quite nasty. > > Googling shows that some mad people have actually managed to get supervoice > running under wine....but I wouldn't suggest that as a serious solution. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > > End of main Digest >

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