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matrox G450 driver
by Jenny Hopkins 07 May '05

07 May '05

Hi, Has anyone had a Matrox G450 working using the mga linux driver? I'm trying to avoid having to build the Matrox driver, but things aren't looking good. Thanks, Jenny

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HTML
by Bob Dove 06 May '05

06 May '05

Hi Folks, <centre> * </centre> won't do anything 'cos it's spelt proper like, you have to use MS-English <center> * </center> to 'center text or w.h.y. (Did the cousins invent html, or was it writ in MS? Cheers, BD. Incidentally, I use HTML Kit in Win, it might be worth looking at their site to see if there is a Linux version available. www.Chami.com Cheers, BD. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005

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Microsoft offering support of Linux?
by Stuart Bailey 04 May '05

04 May '05

Just found this and thought it might be of some interest: http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024651,39129739,00.htm Maybe Microsoft are beginning to warm to Linux ;-) -- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Proprietor) (01953) 601294 (07778) 383739 http://www.linusoft.co.uk ---------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please email postmaster(a)linusoft.co.uk immediately. You should not copy or use this email or attachments for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. NO BINDING CONTRACT WILL RESULT FROM THIS E-MAIL UNTIL SUCH TIME AS A WRITTEN DOCUMENT IS SIGNED ON BEHALF OF LinuSoft. LinuSoft cannot accept any responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks. *************************************************************************

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URGENT: SMTP Authenitcation in Linux
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 04 May '05

04 May '05

Hi Folks, I've just received the following from my ISP (BT-yahoo.com) Subject: Warning: Possible misuse of email address Dear Sir or Madam, Your email address has been used to send unauthenticated email through BT mail servers. If you are a BT Yahoo! Internet customer, you must take action by 6.00am on 27th April 2005 if you wish to continue to use BT mail servers. If you are BT Yahoo! Internet customer Please make a simple change: switch on 'SMTP authentication'. This is usually done by ticking a box called 'My server requires authentication' in your email program settings. [...] This particular message was sent to my "efh(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk" email address (which is a genuine account on nessie). I guess this arises because I have my home sendmail configured to masquerade as "nessie.mcc.ac.uk" when sending by SMTP, and "efh" is the user on the home machine from which mail is sent out. (I've been using this setup for years with no problems so far, in order to reconcile (a) being able to mail between my different home machines, and (b) being recognisable to the outside world as a mail originator (since my home LAN is not recognisable outside my LAN). I.e. the following is the start of a typical SMTP dialogue when initiating sending of a mail: 220 smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ESMTP >>> EHLO nessie.mc.ac.uk 250-smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XYMCOOKIE 250-PIPELINING 250 8BITMIME >>> MAIL From:<efh(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> 250 ok >>> RCPT To:<someone(a)somewhere.on.the.net> 250 ok ETC The "EHLO nessie.mc.ac.uk" and "MAIL From:<efh(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk>" are composed by sendmail, which is configured to masquerade in this way (for the reasons above). This has, as I say, worked without a hitch for years. Now, as you can see, I have been given less than 48 hours to activate "SMTP authentication", after which presumably BT's SMTP servers will no longer accept SMTP from me and I would be unable to use this connection to send email any more. the version of sendmail on the machine whicj looks after my email with the outside world is sendmail-8.8.5 from January 1997 and as far as I can see has no provision for anything resembling SMTP authentication. I've been browsing the web a bit on this topic, and it seems to me that setting it up in Linux is, even now, not straightforward, nor -- depending on your email setup -- even possible. I would be very grateful for good advice about how to grasp this nettle, while there is still time! (Clearly, the advice given in BT's message above is out of the question for me!) Also: Is there anywhere I can read what the details of the "SMTP authnetication" protocol are? Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 25-Apr-05 Time: 15:59:32 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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kernel questions
by Richard Lewis 03 May '05

03 May '05

Hello ALUG, I've just installed my first home compiled kernel! I used the kernel-source-2.6.11 package from Debian unstable (not my normal version, I just got the deb from a mirror). I got caught out by the bug which stops console VGA mode from working (and, annoyingly, compiled twice thinking I'd done something wrong!). Anyway, I was just wondering what people think about the Debian version of the kernel. I don't really know much about it. How does it differ from the standard version? Is is better? Worse? I understand they add some patches and remove some non-free firmware; is this a good/bad thing? I noticed the current stable, standard version is called '2.6.11.7', does that mean its a later version than the Debian one? Richard.

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TT Fonts
by Leon Stedman 02 May '05

02 May '05

Hello All, Can anyone outline the steps needed to add a character, specifically a pound sterling sign, to a true type font. What software would I need, and what information would I need about the font itself. Thanks. Leon Stedman

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Geeky Terminology.
by Bob Dove 02 May '05

02 May '05

Hi Guys, Er - should somebody write a glossary of terms so thet those looking for the way in can understand the posings? (Sorry, postings)! Cheers, BD. NB: Any of you lot Boy Scouts? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 02 May '05

02 May '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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new alug member
by Paul 01 May '05

01 May '05

Congratulations to Kirsty and Adam on the birth of their new daughter - A healthy 3.78Kg.. May she live in interesting times. Regards, Paul. -- Pieces of seven, pieces of seven - A parroty error. "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password." From a collection of quotes at http://www.indigo.org/quotes.html

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Boring times?
by Bob Dove 01 May '05

01 May '05

Hi All, Boring times - how about now with a plethora of party political broadcasts! re newborn - many congrats to happy couple. Is it firstborn? Can guarantee some "times" which you may well describe as "interesting" (with some basic Anglo Saxon thrown in) but yes, it is a form of curse if you believe in that sort of thing! Cheers, BD. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005

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Download Probs at NVIDIA?
by Martin John Collins 01 May '05

01 May '05

Hi, I'm trying to download the linux display drivers and the NForce drivers from NVIDIA but all downloads seem to be halting at around the 5% mark. I have tried various browsers and methods even wget , but it's always the same - download halts with no error messages. Is this just me or can some one replicate it? Rgds, Martin

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Re: [ALUG] HTML
by John Seago 30 Apr '05

30 Apr '05

On Saturday 30 Apr 2005 06:26, Alan Pope <alan.pope(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think it's commonly known as 'International English'. No it was actually deliberate, in order to seperate the english spoken by the 'English', from that spoken by those in the newly independent USA. If I recall correctly it was the Webster of 'Webster's' Dictionary who came up with the alternate spellings. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 http://counter.li.org AFFS http://www.affs.org.uk/

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Suse 9.3
by Nick Daniels 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Hi I installed Suse 9.3 last night, now using Konqueror, with about every other change of website, I get "An error occurred while loading http://news.bbc.co.uk/: Unknown host news.bbc.co.uk" or similar, Firefox is O.K. Also when checking mail I get "unknown host pop.freeserve.co.uk" about every other try, have been using Suse since 7.0, and never had this sort of trouble Firewall is set to "default", connection is dialup BTW if you want mp3 support other than in Real Player you have to download the 4 extra multimedia packs from YOU Regards -Nick Daniels

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Usable distro for crappy old 'pooter?
by Joe Button 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Hi. We have a P233 machine in our office with 96Mb ram. It's been running Windows 98 for the last few years and it would be good to move it to something less moribund. I installed Mandriva on it but it runs like a dog, compared to Win98. Can anyone suggest a distro that will turn our dinosaur into a usable office machine? I was thinking maybe Gentoo + distcc. Any recommendations? Cheers, Joe

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LISP questions
by Richard Lewis 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

Hello ALUG, I thought I'd try and learn LISP for fun! I've found some good tutorials on the web but I can't seem to find a mailing list. I found common-lisp(a)ai.sri.com but I can't find archives for it and the description I read makes it sound like they may not like newbie questions. Does anyone know of any LISP lists that would be good for newbies? And if anyone on ALUG has any experience with LISP: I've been writing a 'hello world' program which consists of a function that returns T if the given parameter is prime or else it returns NIL; the only thing is, it doesn't work. It always returns NIL which I think its getting from the <then> clause of the second (if ) function. I think I may have misunderstood the way that LISP functions return their results: if the number is prime then it should return the (not ()) from the first (if ) function but it doesn't. Heres the code in case anyone knows about LISP: ======================================== ; the recursive function: (defun prime-rfunc (x iterator) (print x) ; for debugging (print (1+ iterator)) ; for debugging (if (= x iterator) (not ()) (if (= 0 (mod x (1+ iterator))) () (prime-rfunc x (1+ iterator))) ) ) ; because the recursive function takes a second, ; non-variable argument, prime is a wrapper function ; which just takes the intuitive first argument: (defun prime (x) (prime-func x 1)) ; test it: (print (prime 7)) ======================================== Cheers, Richard

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Re: Usable distro for crappy old 'pooter?
by tom potts 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

To take things to extreeemes I had SuSe 5.3 running on a 16 Mhz 386 with a 50Meg HD and 4MB ram. If I remember rightly it ran X albeit a bit slowly. I ran it as a print server for a while but then left it running some self-tests on system and MySql (3..) for about a year until one day I found a mains cable leading into the darkest reaches of my attic and it was still running cleanly. I can burn you a copy if you're really sad like me and cant throw things away even though you risk divorce and the floor caving in! RH6.1 on a 486 with 32MB makes a perfectly usable internet cafe though it will choke on some sites with dire JS and Movies are only 'watchable' after eleventeen pints. 96Meg- Luxuery. When I was a kid...... Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #524 - 17 msgs
by John Seago 29 Apr '05

29 Apr '05

On Friday 29 Apr 2005 06:26, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > The conventional answer to this is normally Slackware. I think because > of ZipSlack and also because they make available *all* of their releases > - ever - every single one. So the idea is that you can pick up an older > version which was built when your machine was the cutting edge. Try running Slackware 8 and working your way up to 9·1. All the Slackware versions are available here: ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.slackware.com/ -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 http://counter.li.org AFFS http://www.affs.org.uk/

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Somewhat urgent - dvd data recovery
by Joe Button 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Hi. I've got some people coming round tonight to watch a film I've got in mpg format on a data DVD. Unfortunately I've just discovered I can't read beyond about three quarters of the file. Does anyone have any idea how I could recover the rest of this file, or at least most of the rest of it? Thanks in advance. Sorry to be so demanding today.

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Re: [ALUG] Usable distro for crappy old 'pooter?
by Richard Lewis 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

On 28 Apr 2005, at 13:25, Joe Button wrote: > We have a P233 machine in our office with 96Mb ram. It's been running > Windows > 98 for the last few years and it would be good to move it to something > less > moribund. I installed Mandriva on it but it runs like a dog, compared > to > Win98. Can anyone suggest a distro that will turn our dinosaur into a > usable > office machine? I was thinking maybe Gentoo + distcc. Any > recommendations? The conventional answer to this is normally Slackware. I think because of ZipSlack and also because they make available *all* of their releases - ever - every single one. So the idea is that you can pick up an older version which was built when your machine was the cutting edge. Cheers, Richard

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Amstrad PCW
by Bob Dove 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Hi Folks, re Ashley/PCW. I have the original PCW disks CP/M Plus on Amstrad 3 inch disk backed with Locoscript, plus another disk with Dr. Logo, help and programming utilities which came with my PCW 256, plus many other 3 in disks with MicroDesign, Literatus, Locoscript 2, fonts &c plus many 3 in 'work' disks. I don't have a working PCW. I would be prepared to loan these disks out if they would be of use, and perhaps sell some of the very rare 3 in disks. From memory, the PCW was started with the CP/M disk in the 'A' drive so it would load the program into memory, then once that was loaded you would load Locoscript or whatever else you wanted to run. I think you made a start-up disk so as not to spoil the original program master disk. It was a wonderful machine that would run a word processor, spread sheet and graphics program in 256 Kb of RAM! I have a working Amstrad PC 1512 DD as well if anybody is interested in PC pre-history! Cheers, BD. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16/04/2005

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Re: [linux-users] URGENT: SMTP Authenitcation in Linux
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

Hi Folks, While I'm still able to do so, I'd like to thank all who rushed so promptly to my rescue, with a lot of useful-looking advice. There's a lot to follow up there (should keep me busy for what remains of my time ... !). Meanwhile, for your entertainment [?], you may like to hear of what happened when I followed Simon Hobson's advice (via linux-users & man-lug): On 25-Apr-05 Simon Hobson wrote: > Bummer ! > > Though my experience with BT is that I'm surprised they > know what authenticated SMTP is ! > > Whilst I doubt if you'll get anywhere, I would be inclined > to approach BT and explain that at the moment you can't/don't > know how to turn on authentication for your mail setup (but > are looking into it). > [...] Well, I did call their "SMTP Authentication Team" number, and was connected to a very nice Indian gentleman, who listened to me carefully. He even seemed to be more than a little aware of Linux (to the point of paying tribute to its security compared with you-know-what). The upshot was: "We are not trained in these mail clients and we are not authorised to give advice about them. I suggest you contact the Linux help desk." Well, I guess I already did that! Thanks, hot-liners, I'll be looking into your suggestions! All best wishes, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 25-Apr-05 Time: 17:42:52 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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HTML editor - recommendations?
by Anthony Anson 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

I'm used to using Arachnophilia for writing pages (though most of what goes on the page is hand-crafted, not point-and-click.). What editor would people recommend for running under Debian? (I dislike Mozilla's offering.) Requirements: *NOT* a (so-called) WYSIWYG thing. CSS-capable Easily understood by a beer of very little brian. And: Does anyone know of a file which lists all the available HTML tags, and where it can be got? (I might have missed it, but I did look on W3C.com) And: could someone please explain (in worms of one syllabub) what  does? (I've been playing with Pagemill, which came with the scanner.) -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ The only way to tell when a Finn is in love with you is that they look at your feet instead of their own.

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Re: Re: [ALUG] OOo
by John Seago 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

On Sunday 24 Apr 2005 06:26, Graham <gt(a)pobox.com> wrote: > Any distribution of that size is bound to be selective, leaving out > anything not essential to its perceived target market. So I wouldn't > expect to see - for example - a full development environment or lots of > multimedia. Of course, not everyone wants these things, and that's > fine, but if you have more eclectic needs you'll be doing a lot of > downloading anyway, so it makes more sense to do a full FTP install and > get just what you want. > > -- GT I share your opinion, if one wants, or needs to have an install of Debian then the obvious chioce is to use Debian, using the new installer it is no more difficult to use than the installer in Ubuntu. The subjest has been discussed here: http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000244.html and here: http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000258.html -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 http://counter.li.org AFFS http://www.affs.org.uk/

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OOo
by Bob Dove 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

Hi Guys, OOo v.2.0 is available from website - not sure whether full or beta or whether Linux (surely?) or Win. It is promised for May in an editorial in a Linux mag I browsed in the only place in Colchester you can browse Linux - W.H.Smiths. So, what should be my first step in migrating from MS? Partition my hard drive? How??? I understand Linux wants two partitions so do I divide my HD, half each for Win and Linux, then re-partition the Linux lump? The instructions with a Linux prog disk seem extraordinarily complicated. Like it wants to frighten me away rather than induce me to dip my toes! I have one of these bootable disks with a working Linux but it only appears to see the apps on the disk and built in - Mandrake I think. Cheers, BD. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16/04/2005

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