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[Rebecca@vbug.co.uk: Speaker Opportunity with Anglian LUG]
by Adam Bower 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

Hi all, Um, this came to the main-admin address today, I'm not quite sure what to make of it, any ideas? We did have an email about a talk from Graham Parker on a similar subject (Windows and .net) a few months back but I think that we talked about it on irc, and then forgot about it. Adam ----- Forwarded message from Rebecca Bursnall <Rebecca(a)vbug.co.uk> ----- From: Rebecca Bursnall <Rebecca(a)vbug.co.uk> To: "'main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk'" <main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: Speaker Opportunity with Anglian LUG Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:11:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Hi A colleague of mine, Graham Parker, is looking to reach out further into the community this year. In particular he is looking for speaking engagements with Linux user groups on the subject of Windows Platform Integration through the use of Web Services. He has delivered a number of talks around the UK in the last few years and delivered Talk 1 attached to the JSIG (see www.jsig.com) in December 2004 and Talk 2 to Doncaster & Scunthorpe Linux UG in February 2005 and Aylesbury Linux User Group in March 2005. Do you have an opportunity this year for him to come and speak to your audience? Best wishes Rebecca Rebecca Bursnall VBUG Events Manager Tel: 01753 648555 Fax: 01753 647222 Email: rebecca(a)vbug.co.uk www.vbug.net Check out all forthcoming VBUG events at http://www.vbug.net/events/default.asp <<DCG Standard Talk Outline.txt>> About these Sessions: --------------------- I am looking to come to talk to your audience so that they can express their views honestly, ask challenging questions and share perspectives with their peers on a series of today's important modern technology challenges when it comes to working with .NET and Windows. Talk 1: Integrating J2EE with .NET The only other major contender besides Java for the hearts and minds of software developers is Microsoft?s .NET initiative. In this session we will see Why Java/J2EE Developers might be interested in knowing more about .NET? All the major elements of .NET will be covered; including the CLR, Visual Studio .NET and language support. As far as Java/J2EE .NET integration points are concerned Web Services are certainly the key features but what are the other options? We?ll explore the basic elements of.NET Smart Clients, highlighting some of the benefits of Windows Forms and office integration. We?ll also cover the key advances in deployment and security. We?ll hook up a simple Smart Client application to a contract exposed by a publicly available Web Service and look at the C# Code automatically created. Talk 2: Windows Platform Integration It is now a well-accepted fact that most IT infrastructures are made up of a variety of platforms and environments, rather than the homogenous ?one vendor? vision. This reality means it makes sense for IT professionals and developers to build up their knowledge of other technologies beyond their current core skills. Instead of re-igniting the well known platform wars; in this session we will take a more practial approach. As far as platform integration is concerned, Web Services are probably the most discussed example. But what are the other options? We?ll start by building a simple .NET web service. And go on to hook up a simple application to the contract exposed by this service, looking at the automatically generated code that results. There will be time for questions and maybe we'll even let off a bit of steam about certain platform frustrations. About Graham Parker: Graham Parker worked on various versions of Unix for ICL after graduating in 1990. He joined VBUG in 1994 and was Chairman of the group from 1997 until 2005. He is a co-founder and principal of DevTrain ? a .NET focused training company see http://www.devtrain.co.uk/. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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Linux Political Party
by Nick Daniels 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

Hi A bit off topic, but found this regarding Labour Manifesto: Finally, a small section headed "Copyright in a digital age" may or may not be ominous. "We will modernise copyright and other forms of protection of intellectual property rights so that they are appropriate for the digital age," it says. Which is something we're all in favour of, but we fear they may disagree with us on what is "appropriate". It continues: "We will use our presidency of the EU [this expires on 31st December, so we'll hear about it very soon] to look at how to ensure content creators can protect their innovations in a digital age. Piracy is a growing threat and we will work with industry to protect against it." This does not sound like good news, necessarily. Still anything that might stop Alastair Campbell's minions nicking other people's dossiers off the Internet surely isn't all bad. ® http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/14/labour_2005_manifesto/ Regards Nick Daniels

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Next Social Meeting: The Reindeer, Dereham Road, Norwich: Thurs 14th April from 8pm
by Brett Parker 19 Apr '05

19 Apr '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Just a quick reminder that there's the usual second thursday Norwich social meeting tommorow (Thurs 14th April, 2005), starting from 8pm in The Reindeer. I'll be the hairy one with a pint in my hand :) Hope to see lots of you there. For those who don't know where The Reindeer is, the directions can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCXXYwEh8oWxevnjQRAk+zAKDJhzbwe7jturUsWqSzcgkSzdgMngCgwLT8 Tjm2WVqiFKUIYKGhjpkkQak= =sCL9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #503 - 17 msgs
by Bob Dove 19 Apr '05

19 Apr '05

Hi Guys, Sorry if I upset someone by using the MS/OE reply system. I know no better - tho' I suppose I could create new message - but then you may not know to what I refer??? Anyway, I didn't realise the whole digest would be sent back - I'll try harder! Any of you guys using Firefox? Can you tell me why I can't close it (v.1.0) and disconnect from web. I have to switch my machine off and reboot to kill the connection! Best regards, Bob Dove (henceforth BD) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16/04/2005

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tail ender's progress
by d922989 19 Apr '05

19 Apr '05

It took me a long time but I finally have my first install running KDE and here is my first post from a non-Bill system. So far my feeling is that it was well worth the hours of googling to get here. KDE seems to be add to, rather than obscure, the interface with my machine. And add me to the virtual desktops fan club already. Now, being a mere user of applications with 'productivity' stuff to get done I will need to get Open Office but first I suppose I should upgrade this 2.2.20 idepci to Sarge. More trials ahead then but worth it for the sense of learning and gradual empowerment that I never got with win. I think OOo 1.4 is the latest version available as debs but will 2.0 go with Debian yet? BTW1 on googling newsgroups- top posters are preferable when searching as you only get to see the initial lines of posts when viewing threads. BTW2 my first computer at school was a NASCOM 2, it ran BASIC and Z80 assembler. Home machine an Atari 800, the first to have a seperate graphics processor enabling sprites (or 'player missile graphics'). A lot of my school/ uni pals who grew up with stuff like this and other early systems mentioned on this list recently are now developers of various kinds. Where is the next generation going to come from? Rob

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Old PC's
by Bob Dove 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

So now we know - you are all a bunch of nerds really! PCW - what's LocoLink? I have LocoMail (which I believe is incorporated in Loco2) and LocoFile. It seems strange now, but a PCW 256 was used as 'the computer' in a multi million pound turnover company I worked for which is why I chose it when I became 'freelance.' I added a 3.5in drive and another ram chip to make it a 512. The company made a major jump from PCW to Mainframe! My first 'proper PC' was faster and more powerful than the mainframe! My local library controlled all their ins, outs, budgets and stock on an Atari and a colleague used a similar to run his graphics business. PC1512 DD. Colour screen - 3 colours, no tones! Originally 2 x 5 .25 in drives, one of which I swapped for a 3.5in 'cos the 3.5 in 720 Kb disk held twice as much data as the 5 in. I also added a 20Mb (HUGE for the day) hard card. I must dig it out of the garage and fire it up and see what happens! I also had a 1640 which had twin drives that again I modded to 5.25 and 3.5. It, like my PCW committed suicide and was replaced with a 'pre-owned' IBM desktop. I forget the ram, 8 Mb comes to mind. HD was 40 Mb. I ran Paint Shop Pro on the 1640. I have locoScript Pro on 5.25 disks - it was/is a good word processor! GEM. Digital Research GEM came with the Amstrad 1640. It was the first GUI as far as I know. Any one who has used it will recognise the folders, drop down menus and task bar as both AppleMac and Windows use the same styles. If you learnt with GEM, Windows came easy! I presume Jobs or Gates bought GEM to make their systems work! Cheers, BD. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 16/04/2005

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Re: using X across an ssh connection - how?
by Chris Green 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 08:52:02AM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 10:30:23PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 09:29:00PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > > > > The ssh man pages say that ssh will set the DISPLAY environment > > > variable but it doesn't seem to do so, 'echo $DISPLAY' produces > > > nothing. > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Does the remote end have the option "X11Forwarding yes" in the > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config file? > > > Aha, no it doesn't. Can I override that with a local config file > and/or a command line argument? (The remote machine isn't mine, it's > the hosting company where my web pages are hosted) > [Sorry, intermediate message not sent to list] OK, I've created a local config file on the remote system with "X11Forwarding yes" in it. Still no joy. When I connect using "ssh -X <remote>" there's still not DISPLAY variable set. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Multiple Pointing devices
by Wayne Stallwood 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

I have been made soft by point and click installation GUI's I think. I have acquired a broken Fujitsu P1120 sub notebook (it really is tiny) after it had coke (the drink) spilt all over it. After a lot of cleaning up and a tricky repair operation on the keyboard it is now once again operational. It probably deserves a slightly more lightweight distro (it's only a Transmeta 800) but until I have learnt more about the hardware I have installed SuSE 9.2 on it. SuSE 9.2 has done a fantastic job of discovering the hardware, all the usually tricky things are working. Suspend mode, lid switch, CPU throttling (different profiles for AC and battery power), built in wireless, battery meter. In fact only two things remain. The modem (which I am not bothered about at the moment) and the touchscreen. It has a "nipple" pointer as well and that is working fine. I can see the touchscreen device in /proc/bus/usb as follows T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=02 Cnt=01 Dev#= 2 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=0430 ProdID=0508 Rev=11.30 S: Manufacturer=Fujitsu Takamisawa S: Product=USB Touch Panel C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr= 20mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID ) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbhid E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 8 Ivl=10ms The fact that the hid driver has picked it up is a positive thing, but how do I add this to my X config and would it be reasonable to expect things like tap to click to work. Also will adding this break the already configured nipple pointer or can you specify more than one active pointing device. As always any help would be appreciated.

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Re: [ALUG] Re: main digest, Vol 3 #503 - 17 msgs (Modified by David Reynolds)
by David Reynolds 16 Apr '05

16 Apr '05

Bob, > Sorry if I upset someone by using the MS/OE reply system. I know no > better - > tho' I suppose I could create new message - but then you may not know > to > what I refer??? Anyway, I didn't realise the whole digest would be sent > back - I'll try harder! > Don't worry about it too much, it's just easier to chop out any bits that aren't necessary and only include the bit you are replying to. > Any of you guys using Firefox? Can you tell me why I can't close it > (v.1.0) > and > disconnect from web. I have to switch my machine off and reboot to > kill the > connection! Is this Broadband or dialup? Either way, you shouldn't need to reboot to disconnect from the internet. Also is this windows or linux? If linux, which dialer are you using? -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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using X across an ssh connection - how?
by Chris Green 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

I'm trying to use X Windows across an ssh connection. It's an ssh connection I've used for a long time for normal terminal command line connections so I can ctually make the connection successfully with no problem. To try and use X I've changed the command line from 'ssh -x <remote>' to 'ssh -X <remote>'. The ssh man pages say that ssh will set the DISPLAY environment variable but it doesn't seem to do so, 'echo $DISPLAY' produces nothing. What am I doing wrong? -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Re:using X across an ssh connection - how?
by tom potts 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

I use an application called VNC which is a remote desktop tool - it gives you an X window view of the remote machine and it works on several platforms. www.vnc.com is where I got it from but the site has been updated so my old link doesnt work but have a llok there or http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnc-tight/ may be of use. You should be able to set them up to work over ssl and grid compute from the bath - but dont forget to run your laptop on batteries! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Kate editor
by Richard Lewis 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

Hello ALUG, I've run into this problem several times now (I normally don't worry about and just use sed instead): in KDE's Kate text editor (and KEdit as well) is it possible, in the Search and Replace tool, to put a new line character in the replacement field? (Assuming you're not using regular expressions) Cheers, Richard

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OT: Amstrad PCW CP/M Discs
by Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

Off topic again, but it worked so well last time (thanks Mike @ UEA) that I thought I would risk it again :) I've got two old Amstrad PCWs. They both power on, but don't read any disks that you give them. The disks came from someone else, so they may or may not be blank :) In order for me to test these vintage computers, I need a working copy of CP/M for PCW or similar. That way, I can get them to boot into a workable state. Does anyone have one of these? I can supply discs (Amstrad 3 inch) for you to copy onto. Once I have a working disc, I can check if these machines work or whether they are going for a trip into the skip :) -- Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. http://www.ashleyhowes.com "A martial art is like a mirror in which you look at yourself before you wash your face in the morning. You see yourself simply, the way that you are." - Bira Almeidai

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Next Social Meeting: The Reindeer, Dereham Road, Norwich: Thurs 14th April from 8pm
by Brett Parker 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, We're nearly at that time of the month again, yes, that's right, the time for the second thursday, norwich, alug social evening meeting. This time round we'll be in The Reindeer, which is (basically) opposite the City Gate. Attendees to these meetings usually include (but are most certainly not limited to, we like new people!): Me (iDunno) Jonathan (Noodles) Adam Bower (quinophex) Kirsten Naylor (wildduck) Eli (sunflowerinrain) Paul (paul_c) Martijn (mak) Last month we had a very nice turnout, it was good to see you all, I hope you can make it again this month. For those that don't know where The Reindeer is, the directions can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html Now, someone kick me and remind me that I need to write the other patch to the website to fix the rest of the references to the venue change ;) Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCVqQtEh8oWxevnjQRAqzJAKCTDwpV4N0rYXY+ap6T51rfb8xKmQCfZFKT 9/UgsTps4d8m/E6JRgG+2dc= =fgDb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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another new member
by David Studholme 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Evening, all. I've been lurking on the list for a while, and thought it's about time I introduced myself. I've been playing with various flavours of Unix/Linux for several years now both at home and at work. My main Linux activity is using PERL to do various analysis of biological data. See http://www.sainsbury-laboratory.ac.uk/bioinformatics.html for more info. I've still got a lot to learn, as I found out this weekend when trying (and failing) to get Debian up and running on my laptop :-( Cheers, Dave

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Re: [ALUG] LISP questions and other manuals
by tom potts 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

http://compubooks.eigenstart.nl/ has lots of lisp books/tutorials and lots of other languages and os's etc Downloadem while you can! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Blocking Posts to the List
by John Seago 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

To the best of my recollection some of the lists to which I am subscribed refer posts to moderation where the subject list is, "Re: Contents of main digest...", thus, in the main, catching posts to which one may have replied in haste, by simply hitting the 'reply' button. such a policy would have caught the post by Bob Dove. Aside to Bob Dove, top-posting is placing you reply above the quoted material, the usual practice is to cut the quoted material and then reply underneath the quoted material, or to interleave them into the quoted material. see: http://www.catb.org/~esr//jargon/html/T/top-post.html http://home.online.no/~shughes/a57998/quote.html which may be of some help. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 http://counter.li.org AFFS http://www.affs.org.uk/

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Looking for calender/timeline/chronology application
by Chris Green 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

I'm looking for an application which will allow me to write a sort of history. It's a bit difficult to describe but I'll do my best. What I want is an application which will provide a timeline with divisions of days, months and years as required with the ability to write quite large chunks of text by the timeline. Then, if possible, I'd like to be able to have hyperlinks in the text that would lead out to other descriptions etc. or even to other parts of the timeline. I want the timeline to be flexible so that in one place a day might take up as much space as a year does elsewhere on the line, I don't want a calendar type fixed layout. Basically it's a set of interactive web pages with the addition of the timeline 'in the middle'. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions for what I could use? It doesn't have to be web based by the way but I suspect that a web application is most likely. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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RE: [ALUG] Linux Political Party
by David Briggs 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

> Below is a letter I got after asking the library > spends on proprietary software, I did not use the > phrase "Open Source" A pretty disappointing response that you got. Looking at the relevant page of the 2004/5 budget yields little (http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/council/departments/finance/Budget%20Book%202004_ 2005.pdf - page 20 of the pdf). You could always try asking the Education and Cultural Services Scrutiny Review Panel (http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/council/committees/papers/schedules/education_cul tural.htm) to have a look into this for you. It might make a difference if it came from ALUG as an organisation. Both MJ and I know a bit about Scrutiny, though from rather different perspectives ;-). Dave

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New member
by Bob Dove 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

Hi, I'm an ungruntled Win user. I'd like to try Linux but it seems I have to go back to the dreaded command line. I did conquer this in CP/M and DOS but having used Win since v.3.0 I have forgotten a lot about command lines! The Linux 'language' is akin to Terry Pratchett and you 'lug' members seem to have a bit of a sense of humour. I must say that installing Win is much MUCH easier than installing Linux!!! Something I haven't managed so far. Then there is the problem that I absolutely need to be able to run QuarkXPress and Photoshop (PS). I understand that 'WINE' can be used to a degree with older versions. GIMP is not in anyway equal to PS as any PS user will confirm, in fact there is no other program equal to PS! I already use OOo v 1.3 (in Win) in preference to MS Office. I like it and looking forward to using v 2.0. I need to know what program to choose as a starter, how to partition my C drive to install Linux into &c. Cheers, BD. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/2005

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Seeing as the list has been a little quiet of late
by Wayne Stallwood 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

I posted this to a newsgroup yesterday, the more I think about it the more I think someone *could* make a go of selling a Apple like solution. Anyone care to comment ? > > When are those people over there ever going to wake up? Jobs could put > Gates on > welfare if he'd port the Mac OS to the PC. I'd buy it in a heartbeat, > even with Apple's usurious profit margins .. Every time I hear this I wince, Do you know what OSX would become if it was ever ported over to the X86 platform... OSX is nice, clean, relatively stable and deserved of the "Just works" title simply because the developer of the OS is in 100% control of the platform. The only machines that (in a legitimate manner) can run OSX are designed and manufactured under licence from Apple themselves. Because of this I would expect random crashes and installation difficulties from an Apple no more than what I'd expect from say an Xbox. Port it over to a platform like x86 where there are a thousand manufacturers competing with their own little tweaks, variations and buggy third party drivers combined with the massive task of support for legacy hardware and applications and you'd either have the unstable mess that is Windows XP or limited manufacturer hardware support as towards Linux. Think about this- (and if anybody forms a business model based on this I thought of it first :-) ) For the sake of argument (and because we are on a SuSE newsgroup here) Lets say Novell came up with their own hardware platform, base it on X86 architecture if you like. Now imagine that they only supported SuSE linux when it was running on that platform, and the only third party hardware and software they supported was that which they had agreed (by arrangement with the manufacturer) was compatible with SuSE linux. Imagine how stable and easy to use that system could be, everything could just plug in and work, there would be almost zero hardware compatability issues because they would have been resolved by Novell/The Hardware manufacturer before you bought the kit....it would be just like an Apple (or a Sun box) Of course some people would shun it, they would say that they can buy a computer cheaper from Dell cheaper than the Novell one and then download a free Linux distribution to go on it, or they'd say that Novell don't sell a computer that meets their particular needs, or they dislike the fact they they are tied into one vendor. But some people want more of an appliance than a computer and that's how I see Mac's, you take them home and plug them in and they just work.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Asus A8V networking problem
by Dennis Dryden 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

Hello, I decided to upgrade my PC a few month's ago and ended up purchasing an Asus A8V motherboard and a AMD 3200 Athlon64 CPU. It's been working just fine after some initial problems(just needed a bios upgrade) but yesterday decided to stop the built in network card from working. I cant think of anything i had changed to messup configurations or make it act any differently so im quite confused as to what the problem is. The onboard NIC uses the sk98lin kernel module and when i try to modprobe it i get the message that the card was not found. In WindowsXP(the 64bit beta) the card shows up but tells me the network cable is unpluged(its not and the cable works fine). So i decided to just get another NIC and got a cheap Realtech pci card, when i try to modprobe its driver i see a similar message telling me that it can't talk to the card, and in windows i get the message again that the network cable is unpluged. Anyone have any ideas what my problem might be? Thanks, Dennis Dryden

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Re: New member
by John Seago 09 Apr '05

09 Apr '05

This whole correspondence on the matter of posting using the conventions applied by the majority of Linux users, must by now have become very embarrassing to the OP. I do hope that it has not reached the point where he is discouraged. If he is finding it difficult to install a complete Linux Distribution, one answer might be to find an email client that he can use on his Microsoft operating system. I didn't use Windows for very long before changing to Linux, and it is now long enough ago for me to have forgotten how it works, but I understand that Netscape/Mozilla/Firefox, together with their associated email clients will work on Windows. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 http://counter.li.org AFFS http://www.affs.org.uk/

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