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Server & Desktop suppliers
by James Green 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

Hi all, Been a looooong while since I started a thread here, good to see its still lively. I'd like to ask if you would recommend decent hardware suppliers. Looking to purchase desktops and servers (complete pre-built systems and tailored solutions plus components). Think middle-road: not too cheap, not too expensive. Have experience of a few Supermicro boxes, they appear good. Not much experience of others though. Hardware support is critical, some servers may require 24x7x265 4hr response (Docklands), while quick delivery and turn-around is also a major factor. Server & desktop must do both Windows and Linux. Cheers, James

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Any SuSE 9.1 users out there
by Wayne Stallwood 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

Is anybody having problems with the latest kernel release and the Nvidia closed drivers ? Ever since using Online update to upgrade to kernel 2.6.5-7.145 X refuses to start with either Nvidia driver versions 6111 or the current 6629. I have rerun the installer to recompile the drivers after the kernel upgrade, that bit completes with no errors but then I get the error that it's unable to load the Nvidia kernel module when starting X

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Re: Software Patents
by tom potts 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

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(Very) Old Computers again
by Peter Onion 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

Around March last year there were a few posts on here after I showed my emulator for an old computer (the Elliott 803) at the meeting at Syleham. Well I'm getting very close to having a new version of that emulator ready. There are a couple of "window shots" on my site at http://www.btinternet.com/~Peter.Onion/E803/ I would like some "linux savy" people to try building it as this is the first time I've used lots of the components (gtk,openGL,automake) etc etc .... If you are interested please drop me an email. Peter Onion.

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Software Patents PS
by John Seago 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Here is a site which may provide background information: http://ffii.org/ -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Software patents
by John Seago 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Poland has for the moment staved off the prospect of European Software patents. Here: http://thankpoland.info/ is somewhere where you can thank Poland for forestalling the onslaught of patents. I'm sure that someone will be able to tell us what needs doing at the next stage of the battle against Software patents. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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USB serial adaptor
by phil 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Anyone any experiences with USB to serial adaptors - and good/bad suggestions? I've hear the Belkin one possibly works OK. I have a java ignition controller project that has to communicate via RS232, and haven't any system with a serial port. Also, anyone have one of these lying around redundant that they'd like a few beer tokens for?

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next meeting Thursday 10th February at the City Gate, Norwich from 8pm (social)
by Brett Parker 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Hi all! As is usual on the second Thursday of the month, next Thursday (10th February) we'll be congregating in the City Gate from around 8pm. We should have a penguin in attendance so you know who we are, sometimes we lurk at the far end of the building in the restaurant area. If you want to do gpg keysigning then at least a few of us should be there with sigs and id. Full details can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Directions at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/citygate.html Pictures from August of people so you know who to look out for: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ (the obligatory boring website) iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk (jabber and email!)

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RE: [ALUG] Thursday Working Lunch
by Karl Foley 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

> Sorry, I didn't reecord it so can't help! Never mind. > BUT: You got a *COPY* of the real-media file!!! > How did you do that? I have to confess to using a Windows program called Stream Down. http://stream-down.cocsoft.com/ I have no idea how to do it in Linux...

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Thursday Working Lunch
by Karl Foley 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

Does anyone have a recording of yesterdays (Thursday 10th Feb) Working lunch from BBC2? I missed it and it had a feature on a local school running Linux - I'll pickup/return your disk/tape asap. I do have a copy of the real media file from the BBC website if anyone is interested although it's not the greatest of quality. --- ATB, Karl.

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Bluetooth Audio
by Wayne Stallwood 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

Anybody here had much to do with bluetooth devices on Linux ? I have a D-Link DBT-120 USB adapter and a Bluetrek G2 Bluetooth headset that I would love to use with Skype. The DBT-120 is supported by BlueZ and the headset uses the standard headset or Handsfree bluetooth profiles. ALSA I believe supports the headset profile so in theory at least this should work. However something is wrong with my SuSE 9.1 installation as when I plug in the DBT-120 I get an application pop up from kbluetoothd saying Failed to connect to the SDP server. Please make sure that sdpd is running; without it, other devices will not be able to find out which services your computer offers. I can't find anything like sdpd on my system or on the SuSE DVD, yet it is supposed to be part of kbluetoothd is it not.

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #443 - 11 msgs
by tsanders＠bennettsretail.co.uk 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

I will be away until the morning of Friday 18th Feb

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RE: [ALUG] Thursday Working Lunch
by Karl Foley 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

> Has anyone any comments/experiences with mplayer on Red Hat 9? I installed mplayer, xine, codecs and a whole lot of other stuff from: http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/9.2 You could try: http://packman.iu-bremen.de/redhat/9 There are also directories for Fedora and Debian.

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RE: [ALUG] Thursday Working Lunch
by Karl Foley 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

> I have no idea how to do it in Linux... But maybe this can help: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Rip_Streams_With_MPlayer

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Suse 9.1 to 9.2 Upgrade
by Karl Foley 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

Just upgraded my Laptop from Suse 9.1 to Suse 9.2 using the downloadable DVD (anyone want a copy of this?) and it went remarkably smoothly. I had quite a bit of hassle with Suse initially getting things like ACPI, Wireless, Samba and special keyboard keys but it just migrated the whole lot. It didn't like the version of Evolution I had installed but after I removed this I simply reinstalled post upgrade. Works like a charm. --- ATB, Karl.

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Emacs Startup Scripts
by Dan Hatton 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Emacs keeps a bunch of scripts to run at startup, in the directory </etc/emacs/site-start.d>. These scripts were making the startup of my emacs painfully slow, so I moved most of them to a directory </etc/emacs/site-dontstart.d>. All was well until the other day, when Debian (stable) released a new and more secure xemacs21 package. As part of this package's installation process, a program called emacs-install gets run. After spending (I think correctly) a huge amount of time compiling bits of Lisp, emacs-install died, complaining that it wasn't finding the startup scripts where it expected, leaving me unable to complete the installation. Is there some "official" method of disabling the startup scripts that doesn't cause this problem, please? (I'd also quite like to know the answer to the same question, with respect to the system startup symlinks in </etc/rc?.d>.) -- Thanks Dan Hatton <http://www.bib.hatton.btinternet.co.uk/dan/>

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New toys
by Wayne Stallwood 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Not strictly Linux related but has anyone seen the new Mac Mini that's recently been announced ? http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/ Looks pretty sweet to me and I also find it quietly amusing that for less than twice the price of a boxed copy of Windows XP Pro you can buy an OS that is at least twice as good, plus the hardware to run it on.

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next meeting Thursday 10th February at the City Gate, Norwich from 8pm (social)
by Brett Parker 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

Hi all! (this e-mail might look a little familiar, as I sent it sometime last week, just want to make sure everyone is well informed and ready to come and socialise, obviously :) As is usual on the second Thursday of the month, this Thursday (10th February) we'll be congregating in the City Gate from around 8pm. We should have a penguin in attendance so you know who we are, sometimes we lurk at the far end of the building in the restaurant area. If you want to do gpg keysigning then at least a few of us should be there with sigs and id. Full details can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Directions at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/citygate.html Pictures from August of people so you know who to look out for: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ If you wander in and look for the scruffiest looking person going, that's probably me... I usually turn up as one of the first people, and am usually one of the last to leave... Beer is always accepted as a bribe, though of course, the next day I may entirely fail to remember what the bribe was for, and thus not do anything :) Hope to see lots of you there, -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ (the obligatory boring website) iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk (jabber and email!)

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[nmm@uit.co.uk: Exim Conference and Tutorial]
by adam＠thebowery.co.uk 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

----- Forwarded message from Niall Mansfield <nmm(a)uit.co.uk> ----- To: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Exim Conference and Tutorial From: Niall Mansfield <nmm(a)uit.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:14:10 +0000 Hi, 206 Mailing List admin(s) We're organizing a Conference about the Exim mail server, in conjunction with the UKUUG. The conference takes place 25/26-Feb-2005 in Birmingham, UK. All the important Exim people are speaking. It would be great if you could publicize it to your group. The full programme is at: http://uit.co.uk/exim-conference/index.htm#programme Thanks, Niall tel: +44 1223 302 041 UIT Cambridge ----- End forwarded message ----- -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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Installing Linux mail
by Leon Stedman 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

I attempted to put Mandrake 10.1 community Ed. on a disk the other night (just to see). Imagine that I have a brand new computer. Onto this machine I put Linux using a main stream distribution RedHat, Mandrake or suchlike. This box is to be used at home, and will be connected to the isp for a few minutes four or five times a week to send and receive e-mail, and sometimes for a little longer to browse the web. What do I need to do to achieve such a set-up? The mandrake distribution was useless for this! It offered to setup ISPs for every country but my own and crashed when I lied. I need some official way to connect to the isp and log in. I use wvdial on RedHat 9, but that only comes on the full set of CDs for 'drake. Some program to fetch the mail from the isp. (eg. fetchmail?) Something to read it and write replies. (I use pine!) A way of sending the mail when the box is connected, and a way of storing mail until the box is connected. Maybe something to kill spam. A web browser. As an ordinary user, I don't want to know about LANs, WANs, dial-on-demand, gateways, routers etc. unless such information is needed for such a basic set-up. I do have (or can get) two nameservers xx.xx.xx.xx and yy.yy.yy.yy, the phone number of the ISP (0845 xxxxxx), a username, and a password. This is the problem that an ordinary home user faces, when moving over to Linux, and I would be interested in the views of other subscribers to ALUG on suitable programs and their configuration. Leon Stedman.

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RE: [ALUG] Scripting Advice Needed
by Keith Watson 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

> From: MJ Ray Sent: 03 February 2005 18:10 > Brett wrote: > > It should be relatively simple... parse the file for the function > > keyword at the beginning of a line, then select everything up to the > > first occurrence of */, should be relatively simple. > > Let's use sed, the stream editor! > > sed -n -e '/^function /,/^ *\*\//{;/^function /d;p;}' sourcefile.js > Very neat (and original) solution, Mark and it almost works except it doesn't select the function statement as I needed but that simplifies things a bit :o) But before I say how I fixed that, let me try and feed my understanding back to you to make sure I understand this properly; apart from the actual sed command and the options, we have:- '/^function /,/^ *\*\//{;/^function /d;p;}' the single quotes (or apostrophes or whatever you want to call them) i.e. the [ ' ] characters simply delimit the argument string for the -e option, which leaves, /^function /,/^ *\*\//{;/^function /d;p;} and breaking this down as you describes gives, /^function / then a comma separator, then /^ *\*\// followed by {;/^function /d;p;} ok, so for /^function / the oblique strokes are just delimiters and the caret says match at the beginning of the line, which leaves the string to be matched, which is 'function ' (is the trailing space deliberate? to delimit a complete word?) now for /^ *\*\// again the oblique strokes are just delimiters and the caret says match at the beginning of the line, which leaves, *\*\/ which is used to look for */, complicated because the backslash escape characters are needed to specify that the asterisk and oblique stroke are actually characters to be matched rather than special characters. I presume the first asterisk is so that the */ string can be preceded by any extraneous spaces or tabs at the start of the line? Now for the interesting bit :o) {;/^function /d;p;} I think the semi-colons delimit the sed commands, is that correct? if so are the leading and trailing ones needed? so we have; /^function /d and p according to the manual d deletes the pattern space and starts the next cycle, but here you're matching a line starting with the word - function - so only that line is deleted (which is probably why the function definition isn't being output), and the p command just tells sed to print out the pattern space? So to get sed to do what I want I just need; sed -n -e '/^function /,/^ *\*\//p' sourcefile.js Which works a treat!!! :D Once again, many thanks for the elegant solution Mark - rispek init :o). Sorry to everyone else for a long winded reply but I'm not that well up on either sed or regular expressions so I thought picking it apart would ensure that I understood it correctly and that anyone else with the same level of knowledge as me could see what was going on. Regards, Keith ____________ Life is painful, suffering is optional. - Sylvia Boorstein

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Problem with HP 7310 printer (HPLIP) and CUPS, won't print
by Chris Green 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

Are there any HP/CUPS experts hereabouts? I'm having a problem getting my shiny new Officejet 7310 printer to work on my Slackware 10 system. It was a bit of a beast to install on Windows 2000 so problems on Linux as well are nut unexpected. I have built and installed the latest hpijs (1.7.1) and the latest hplip (0.8.7), that went fairly smoothly except that the hplip startup scripts are for RedHat so I had to do a little bit of work to integrate them into the Slackware startup. My existing Deskjet 840C and Laserjet 1150 work fine so CUPS is basically OK. However the Officejet 7310 obstinately refuses to print even though everything appears OK, jobs queue up, it looks like it should work, but no printout. CUPS does report a problem but I can't find any help on how to resolve it, on the "Manage Printers" page in CUPS for the Officejet 7310 it says:- Description: Officejet 7310 Location: Study Printer State: stopped, accepting jobs. "open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds..." Device URI: hp:/net/Officejet_7300_series?ip=192.168.13.44 I can ping 192.168.13.44 OK so the printer is connected, and I can (now) print to it from Win2k. Can anyone suggest what the "open device failed" message indicates is wrong? (I am using the support forums at http://sourceforge.net where the HP printer software is supported too) -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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re.usb serial adaptor
by phil 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

> > From: Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.plus.com> > > All of the USB-Serial adapters I have encountered seem to have latency > issues, Not a problem with this project - it's just a means to upload the new ignition timings. > > AFAIK Brainboxes.... But be > warned that these cards are not cheap. Not the one for me then! > > if you are dealing with a desktop then you may well find the serial > ports on > the systemboard, have not been brought out to the back panel. No dice - it's all Mac hardware here, USB or firewire. > > > From: Ian bell <ianbell(a)ukfsn.org> >> >> > > I bought one from www.Ebuyer.com a couple of years ago and it has > worked fine on my laptop ever since. Works out of the box with > gtk-term and you can even toggle the handshake lines. They are only a > few pounds; their product code is: 40608 Cheers. I'll take a look!

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Re:Problem with HP 7310 printer (HPLIP) and CUPS, won't print
by John Seago 06 Feb '05

06 Feb '05

On Saturday 05 Feb 2005 23:26, Chris Green <chris(a)areti.co.uk wrote: > I'm having a problem getting my shiny new Officejet 7310 printer to > work on my Slackware 10 system. It was a bit of a beast to install on > Windows 2000 so problems on Linux as well are nut unexpected. First check to see if both CUPS and LPRNG are installed, if so uninstall both and reinstall ONLY CUPS, they wont both work together. Also I have had CUPS refuse to work, and found that if one just keeps canceling and starting again sooner or later it then works, (rebooting between attempts seems to get it to go!) Have a look here to see if there is any help from those who actually know what they're doing, (unlike me).: http://www.userlocal.com/articles/slackwarecups.php Userlocal is very useful for Slackware users. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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PC Hardware Suppliers in Norfolk?
by Keith Watson 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

Being something of an old fogey I like to actually go and purchase any new PC spares over the counter (that is when I'm not scrounging old kit of friends and colleagues :o) ). In addition, I like to support local businesses where I can. So do list members know what outlets for PC kit exist in Norfolk (especially in and around Norwich)? And can anyone pass on any good/bad experiences they've had? URL for websites would be good. Regards, Keith ____________ Snowflakes are one of nature's most fragile things, but just look at what they can do when they stick together.

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