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Re: [ALUG] hello from me
by allan miller 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

>Have you tried inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org )? Provides pretty good >vector graphic editing facilities a la Corel. I haven't looked closely at the latest release yet but my impression is that it has some way to go before it matches the later Coreldraws. And I have been creating graphics that really push it to its limits. So I am loath to move to something that is less featured. Doctrinal purity has its limits. Allan

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Re: [ALUG] hello from me
by allan miller 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

> >BTW, where abouts are you ? Sorry, forgot to mention it. I live in central Norwich (near the railway station). Allan

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Re: [ALUG] hello from me
by allan miller 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

>Aren't there Linux builds of some of the Corel draw versions ? >I am sure I have read about it somewhere. >If not I am sure I have seen it running under wine before, that could be a >whole lot easier that having to maintain a whole VM just for one application. As far as I am aware they are old versions whereas I am using version 11 and need some of its features. Now that I have got the software and hardware that will run it all OK I don't mind using it but one would like to move to total Linux software. Allan

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hello from me
by allan miller 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

Hello I have just subscribed to the list. My name is Allan Miller. I have been using Linux extensively for the past 4 years now. After trying various distributions I have settled on Slackware. Occasionally I try a new distribution but end up fairly quickly back with Slackware. I like its speed and simplicity of setting up (I used to dislike the others with everything hidden behind gui's). Because I like fiddling/tuning I can quite easily get lost for hours tweaking things - a bit like a car mechanic who spends hours under the bonnet tuning etc and never takes the car out on the road. And a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Although 99.9% of the time I boot into Linux I still use Windows within a Vmware virtual machine as I use Coreldraw a lot and there is nothing equivalent yet under Linux. It has been a bit of a solitary life as I don't know anyone else who is using Linux. regards Allan

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List config
by Andrew Savory 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

Hi, It seems there is a problem with the ALUG main mailing list: it does not allow you to unsubscribe (or at least, it ignores unsubscribe requests). Messages to 'main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk' with a subject of 'unsubscribe' appear to fail silently. John or Adam - could you check all is well with the list config? Thanks, Andrew. -- All views are my own - who else would want them?

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RE: [ALUG] PC Hardware Suppliers in Norfolk?
by David Studholme (JIC) 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

I have bought quite a few bits of kit from these guys in Thorpe St Andrew, with no problems at all: http://www.anglianinternet.co.uk/ Cheers Dave Matt Parker wrote: > I've found MG Computers to be excellent.

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Scripting Advice Needed
by Keith Watson 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

I have a stack of JavaScript files from which I want to extract the function definition lines and the following comment block for documentation purposes, e.g. in the source files functions are defined thusly; function thisIsAfunction (firstArg, secondArg, thirdArg) { /* ************************************************************** * a description of the purpose of the function, what * argument values are expected and some examples * of use. * */ [then the body of the code for the function, which may contain further comment blocks that I want to ignore] } Question is can I do this with the ubiquitous egrep? or will I need to use something like perl or awk? Any ideas or suggestions? Anyone know of something that already does this? And before someone asks, yes I have tried google and found one possibility, an awk script that will extract _all_ the comments but not the function definitions [eXtract Source Code Comment <http://members.tripod.com/vgoenka/unixscripts/xscc.html>]. Most hits were from people who wanted to remove comments to either just compress the source or count lines of code. Regards, Keith ____________ Never annoy Dragons. For thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - D&D saying

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RE: [ALUG] Scripting Advice Needed
by Keith Watson 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

> From: Brett Parker Sent: 03 February 2005 14:00 > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 10:39:21AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote: > > I have a stack of JavaScript files from which I want to > extract the function definition lines and the following > comment block for documentation purposes, ...[lots deleted]... > I'd probably go the perl route, but that's because I can't write awk ;) yeah, not my favourite scripting language either, but I know it has it's uses (he said hastily :o) ) > If I get a chance later on tonight, I'll throw something out that should work. gracias, amigo > I assume that the comments are always straight after the function definition? yes > I'd have expected it to be /** at the top of the comment for Java, > but I suppose as this is JavaScript I'm not surprised that it's not. ditto, but that's the way whoever did it coded them. It's quite readable though, so I can see why it was done that way. > It should be relatively simple... parse the file for the function > keyword at the beginning of a line, then select everything up to the > first occurrence of */, should be relatively simple. that's why I wondered if it could be done with a suitable cunning regular expression and egrep. Any regex guru's fancy a crack at this? :o) Keith ____________ CONNOISSEUR, n. - A specialist who knows everything about something and nothing about anything else (q.v. EXPERT). - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Euros
by Stan 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Once Euros are introduced will the name of the Cash Points (or Cosh Points, depending where you live;)) be changed to Eurinals?

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RE: [ALUG] hello from me
by Keith Watson 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

> From: Anthony Anson Sent: 03 February 2005 11:03 > > The message <20050203102356.GE52285(a)amnesiac.heapspace.net> > from Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk> contains these words: > > > > <nostalgia-alert>If you ask me the rot set in when we dispensed with > > > good old shillings and pence.</nostalgia-alert> > > > I missed that bit, see, being a mere youngster... I remember half > > pence pieces though, they where fun :) > > What I want to know is, what on earth happened to ells, bushels, > pennyweights and cubits? The inevitable downward spiral of progress, I'm afraid. > Yoofertoday! I remember when groats were legal tender... Huh. I remember when goats were legal tender... (actually I don't but it's a good line :o) ) Regards, Keith ____________ ARMOR, n. - The kind of clothing worn by a man whose tailor is a blacksmith. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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RE: [ALUG] hello from me
by Keith Watson 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

> From: Brett Parker > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:38:05AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote: > > > From: Brett Parker Sent: 03 February 2005 08:10 > > > On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 02:44:16PM +0000, Paul wrote: > > > > > > > > Speak for yourself - I'm living the American Dream for a month... > > > > Glorious sunshine, temperatures up in the 70's... > > > > > > Paul, I know you in merka, but can you speak in an english tongue and > > > use celcius instead of fahrenheit, 70 celcius is "rather warm" so I'm > > > assuming you're in fahrenheit and mean 21.1C ;) > > > > Speak for yourself Brett, as far as I'm concerned > fahrenheit is English and celcius/centigrade is "foreign muck". 70's works for me! :o) > > It's Swedish [1], admittedly, but given that Fahrenheit[2] is a German > invention, they're both foreign... Get with the programme, damn you ;) > Well? English is a (sort of) German dialect and our current sovereign's family also originally hails from that part of the world. So traditionally we English have always had a penchant for things German, anyway it was good enough for my grandparents, it's good enough for me. :o) Notwithstanding that my German acquaintances all use SI units (e.g. metres, litres, Celsius, etc.). > Apparently we're supposed to work in SI units, next to go on the list is > Miles, but hey, that can wait for a bit, there's far too many signs to > change for that ;) Yeah, depressing isn't it? <nostalgia-alert>If you ask me the rot set in when we dispensed with good old shillings and pence.</nostalgia-alert> Regards, Keith ____________ ABSURDITY, n. - A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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RE: [ALUG] hello from me
by Keith Watson 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

> From: Brett Parker Sent: 03 February 2005 08:10 > > On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 02:44:16PM +0000, Paul wrote: > > > > Speak for yourself - I'm living the American Dream for a month... > > Glorious sunshine, temperatures up in the 70's... > > Paul, I know you in merka, but can you speak in an english tongue and > use celcius instead of fahrenheit, 70 celcius is "rather warm" so I'm > assuming you're in fahrenheit and mean 21.1C ;) Speak for yourself Brett, as far as I'm concerned fahrenheit is English and celcius/centigrade is "foreign muck". 70's works for me! :o) Regards, Keith ____________ What you think you own, owns you. - Zen Saying

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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help! I seem to have lost my broadband connection
by allan miller 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

I seem to have lost my broadband connection which has been running trouble free for four months. It happened sometime on Tuesday. It was going OK in the morning but later in the day I couldn't connect and that has been the case since (I only turn it on when I use my computer rather than having it running continuously). The connection has been trouble free since the first day. Although a while back I did experience something similar but it was back up within 24 hours. (But at that time I didn't look into the 'guts' of my router to see what was actually going on). I have a D-Link DSL-504T. The carrier seems to be up but there is no connection. This shows in the router's log: Sep 8 12:00:06> Valid Configuration Tree Sep 8 12:00:10> Firewall NAT service started Jan 1 01:01:00> Bridge Created: br0 Jan 1 01:01:00> Bridge Interface Added: eth0 Jan 1 01:01:04> DSL Carrier is training Jan 1 01:01:14> DSL Carrier is up Jan 1 01:01:19> pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Jan 1 01:01:19> Connect: ppp0 {--} I have tried resetting the router's firmware and setting up the connection info again but it still won't connect, even when I explicitly tell it to. It is almost as if the 'other end' is not accepting my login/password any more. I seem to remember coming across a login/password on the net you could use to check that your connection was working but I haven't been able to find it again. There could be several places where the error could be - router, telephone exchange (Norwich), ISP (Tiscali/UKFSN). Can some one explain what is happening and how I can get it working again. TIA Allan Miller

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REMINDER: Christmas Meal tonight @ Blickling
by adam＠thebowery.co.uk 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Hi all, Table has been confirmed for 10 people @ 8pm, we can have a few more if anyone still wants to come and didn't let me know yet. If you just want to come along for a drink and to socialise then feel free. Venue is http://www.buckinghamshirearms-norfolk.co.uk/ (directions are available on that site) Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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3D Games with Suse 9.1
by Stan Fraser 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Have tried to get 3D games running in Suse 9.1 without success. Set 3D to Enabled but still no good. Have an ATI Radeon 8500SE Card and LCD Digital Monitor. Any help, hints or tips to get it working appreciated. Regards Stan

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Why has 'ls -a' started mixing hidden files with the others?
by Chris Green 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

When I issue an 'ls -a' or an 'ls -al' I expect all the hidden files (those with a . prefix) to appear before the others but my latest upgrade seems to have stopped this happening. I much prefer to see the hidden files separately, can I get the old sort order back somehow? I've unset all the LS options in my environment and ls isn't aliased. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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FW: UKUUG LISA/Winter Conference and Perl 6 Workshop
by Alasdair G Kergon 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Preceded by an Exim conference, and FOSDEM starts the day after in Brussels: Sat 26 - Sun 27 Feb, www.fosdem.org (free). The 2nd Gentoo UK meeting takes place in Manchester on Sat 12th March. http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/2005/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Announcement: UKUUG LISA/Winter Conference and Perl 6 Workshop Paragon Hotel, Birmingham, 24th & 25th February 2005 UKUUG - the UK's Unix and Open Systems User Group - announces the final programme for their upcoming Winter Conference. This will take place at the Paragon Hotel, Birmingham, on Thursday 24th and Friday 25th February 2005. Earlybird registration closes on Monday 31st January. On Thursday morning, Allison Randal, president of the Perl Foundation and project manager for Perl 6, will deliver a Perl 6 Workshop. The theme of the main conference is "Security and Networks". This begins on Thursday afternoon with a keynote by Wietse Venema, author of TCP Wrappers and the Postfix MTA. The conference also includes speakers from the OpenBSD and FreeBSD projects; Oracle; Hewlett-Packard; University of Oxford; University of Cambridge; and many more. This conference is a must-attend event for system and network administrators. As well as the technical talks, the conference provides a friendly environment for delegates to meet, learn and enjoy lively debate on a host of subjects. See the conference web site for full details and up-to-date information: http://www.ukuug.org/events/winter2005/

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Email Rules
by Peter Hunter 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Hi all, Being new to Linux I am am trying to find my way around and get everything sorted to my liking. One thing I can't seem to find though is how to set up message 'rules' in KMail. I would like to automatically have my messages from different places sent direct to their own mail boxxes. I do this ok in all other email clients I have used on the Mac and MS Windows, but can't seem to find it in Kmail/ Any help would be appreciated. TIA Peter

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Introduction
by Peter Hunter 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Hi everyone, The name's Peter and I am a new'ish Linux user. I have 'tried' Linux a few times but never really seriously. My 'main' computer is an eMac running OS X 10.3.7 but I have some bits of software and hardware that won't run on a Mac, (amateur radio stuff (G0GSZ)) so I had to build a PC with Windows XP. When I was in Roys I picked up a copy of Linux Magazine which had a copy of Mandrake 10.1 on the cover DVD, so I installed this. I am very impressed. I have broadband via NTL through a cable modem and Belkin router. OS X and Linux detected this and set everything up almost automatically. Windows needed software installing!! At the moment I am only using Linux for email and internet browsing, but have tried other parts. I am experimenting as much as I can as time permits. I live in Bowthorpe and am a home user as I am carer to my disabled (MS) wife. I have been 'playing!' with computers since the late 70's, so have had a little practice / experiance. By the way, I am running the Gnome desktop that came with the installation. That's all, glad to meet you all. Regards Peter

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Any openGL / Matrox / SuSE / experts here ?
by Peter Onion 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

I've been playing with openGL for a few days and having lots of fun drawing 3d views. Currently I'm just using the mesa (software) openGL library but I would like to get hardware 3d acceleration working. I've got SuSE 9.2 running on a 2.6Ghz HP with a dual headed Matrox G550. Anyone got any experience with setting up the hardware acceleration ? Google searches have not turned up anything simple/useful. Peter

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Newsforge: Running Windows viruses with Wine
by Keith Watson 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

<QUOTE> It just isn't fair that Windows users get all the viruses. I mean really, shouldn't Linux users be in on the fun as well? Well... thanks to the folks running the Wine project, Linux users can "catch the virus bug" too -- sort of. Linux just isn't user-friendly when it comes to viruses. You have to work to find and run them. It doesn't happen automatically as it does with Windows. The GNU/Linux folks really should improve this glaring discrepancy. </QUOTE> He's right, it's so damm unfair!! see <http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss> Regards, Keith

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Web viewer for encrypted data - any good ones?
by Chris Green 26 Jan '05

26 Jan '05

Does anyone know of any good web applications for viewing the contents of encrypted files? I.e. I want to have an encrypted file on my web site which I can view from anywhere using a web browser. Obviously I'd need to supply a password and it needs to be an https: connection. I probably want something a bit more flexible than a password manager as the sort of data I want to store is a bit more than just passwords, though some of it is passwords. Ideally one would provide a password and a key/name of some sort and data for just that key/name would be displayed. I don't need to be able to edit the data via the web page, just view it. Obviously I need to be able to edit the data somehow, ideally it would be a straight text file that I can edit with any old text editor and then encrypt and store in the right place for the web access. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 26 Jan '05

26 Jan '05

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Next Open Office question
by Chris Green 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Having got Open Office to run and the database connection working (which was non-trivial) I'm quite impressed. Setting up forms to enter data into a database is quite clever. Essentially you end up using the Open Office word processor as the forms designer which means that layout and so on is very easy and powerful. However I'm left with one question, you can specify actions for data entry fields as in 'Changed', 'Mouse Button Pressed', 'After Updating', etc. but I cant really see how to program these actions. When you click the '...' box beside an action an 'Assign Macro' window pops up with a whole load of what I assume are pre-defined actions which are called 'OpenOffice.org BASIC Macros' and there's also 'Untitled1 BASIC Macros' but I cant see how to actually use them. Firstly what do all the pre-defined macros do? Secondly how can I write something to do something useful to put in the Untitled1 position? Any ideas anyone? If I can get to understand this the OpenOffice database access looks very powerful indeed. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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