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VoIP talk?
by Jonathan McDowell 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

I mentioned this to various people earlier, and they seemed interested, so I thought I'd vaguely float the idea here. Would people be interested in a VoIP (Voice over IP) talk? I've been playing with it this week and setting up a connection to the normal phone network using an ISDN line, with a hardware VoIP phone locally. I'm also planning to look at Linux based softphones over the next week and should have a magic PCI card coming which will let me hook up to a normal phone line, so hopefully should be able to come up with bits of interest to anyone who's curious about this stuff. Takers? Do we have any locations for talks were we could get a reasonable net connection for a live demonstration perhaps? J. -- /-\ | The problem with the gene pool is |@/ Debian GNU/Linux Developer | there's no lifeguard. \- |

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How to unlock a directory?
by Russell Ward 24 Jul '04

24 Jul '04

I've been using kde for a while now but have recently found my cdrom to be inaccesible. It's on \mnt\cdrom but the properties describe it as a Locked Directory. The icon shows the directory with a little padlock on it. I've tried changing permissions (both as a 'normal' user and as root) but nothing changes. It means I can't install packages using rpm from the original Mandrake cdrom. The problem applies to other cdroms as well. It happened at the same time with the \mnt\floppy drive but that cleared when I put another floppy in. Any ideas, please? Cheers Russell _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #230 - 1 msg
by John Seago 24 Jul '04

24 Jul '04

On Saturday 24 Jul 2004 06:25, =?iso-8859-1?q?Colin=20Brett?= <colinabrett(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: <snip> > In the meantime, what is the "form" for asking > questions on the list, so I get the netiquette right! Thats it, you asked a question, I've answered, (I just couldn't remember where the apostrophe went in <thats>). -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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New member signing in ...
by Colin Brett 24 Jul '04

24 Jul '04

Hi All, I have just joined the list and am introducing myself as suggested in the confirmation mail. My name's Colin Brett. I am, by profession, a UNIX systems administrator and (reluctant) Oracle DBA for a firm in Cambridge. I've been using various flavours of UNIX for over 10 years now and got into the Linux scene about 4 years ago. I don't unfortunately use Linux in my job but have been using RedHat and/or Mandrake at home on a regular basis. In fact, the only reason I have a machine at home is because of Linux: there's no way I'd pay the Microsoft tax for a windows machine! I'm willing to share any experience you may find useful from the wider UNIX arena: scripting, administration, a bit of Perl programming, some HTML. Just drop me a line or to the list in general and I'll see what I can come up with. I can't promise a quick answer, however, as work and family committments (a 9 month old baby boy!) do keep me rather busy. In the meantime, what is the "form" for asking questions on the list, so I get the netiquette right! Cheers, Colin ===== == Colin Brett. colinabrett(a)yahoo.co.uk == ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: [ALUG] Linux User Group for Essex is here!
by MJ Ray 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

On 2004-07-22 13:03:27 +0100 Simon Williams <alug(a)no-dns-yet.org.uk> wrote: > * On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 12:29:28AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: >> Sorry you felt you couldn't help ALUG serve Essex better. > I think it was mainly the name that could cause confusion. It it > stayed part of ALUG, it would be the Chelmsford branch, which might > make some people think that it's more localised than it is. Why not an Essex branch, like the mid-Suffolk one? I suspect this has more to do with some people wanting to be called "admin" like in all the worst LUGs, but I hope I'm wrong and wish it the best. The LUGs I've liked best, Peterborough and Anglian, have had "admin" people who spend most of the time trying to avoid the label, but still do the work. >> Remember we're here if you need a hand and co-operation is always >> good. > Thanks (even though I'm not the/an admin). I don't see why members of > each LUG couldn't turn up to the other LUG's meetings and be welcomed. Oh, I agree. I'd take up SoSLUG's invitation if I could find time to travel there and I visit PLUG as often as I can. Cam-LUG have been very hostile to ALUG in the past, though. Because of the above suspicions, I'd appreciate this staying off-list so I don't start a flamewar. You emailed me off-list first, anyway. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and not of any group I know http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing Please email about: BT alternative for line rental+DSL; Education on SMEs+EU FP6; office filing that works fast

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Broadband Hardware
by IanBell 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Broadband seems finaly to have arrived at my small coastal village. I have a Dell laptop with an Ethernet port and no network. Assuming I go for a wires only package, what is the most suitable hardware? As far as ISPs are concerned I have heard good reports of F9 and ukfsn.org ought to be worth a look/supporting. Any group experience of, preference for either? Thanks Ian

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Linux User Group for Essex is here!
by LUGE Admin 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

http://www.luge.org.uk I know there's one in Southend, but I thought Chelmsford would be too narrow, and I like the name Chris Walker came up with a couple of months back and after all, Linux is supposed to be fun! Look forward to building something cool and having some meetings. My design friend Kelly said she'd wave her magic wand at some point in the next week or two and make it look pretty (she did www.LinuxVAR.co.uk design) so I look forward to Tux on Ice! ;) I'm "semi-geek" (you think after 20 years of coding I would class higher!) so look forward to learning from the uber-geeks and helping a few non-geeks experience and enjoy the freedom of FLOSS. Steve Purkiss Linux User Group Essex admin http://www.luge.org.uk

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Sage alternative for Linux
by Seb James 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Dear all, If anyone out there has been looking for an alternative to Sage or Quickbooks that they can run on a Linux or BSD box, then take a look at phpOrganisation. phpOrganisation is an open source php/mysql based business process application, which is aimed at UK organisations (because it understands VAT). It features: An address database, which is the central information around which phpOrganisation structures its processes. All entities relating to the organisations processes are in this database, whether employee, supplier, associate or personal. Customer relationship tools. Two marketing lists are available; the tracker, and the client list. Move a contact onto one of these lists, and then keep a record of emails, phone conversations and use the "next contact due" feature to act as a reminder for re-contacting. Ordering System. Generate purchase orders for products and services, view the PO and print it out for the supplier. As invoices are received from the supplier, register the invoices and track the time left to pay on the supplier invoice page. Project and Contracts can be set up and time and costs can be allocated to a project or contract. Track your costs to learn what it really costs to deliver your services and develop your products. Generate quotations and store a record of previous quotations. phpOrganisation assists you in storing your quotation wordprocessor files in a single location on your filesystem. phpOrganisation doesn't generate web based quotations, in the way it does for purchase orders, invoices and statements, as this lacks the flexibility that is required in drafting quotations for most small businesses. Generate client invoices against contracts, print the invoices, or generate statements for a client, showing paid and overdue invoices. Generation of VAT return information, to aid to process of completing your VAT paperwork. Help notes feature. Each user can have descriptive notes about phpOrganisation show up in the webpages. When familiarity is gained, the helpnotes can be turned off. phpOrganisation does not yet feature stock control, or a groupware style shared calendar, but these are planned features. phpOrganisation is GPLed and available at sourceforge: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/phporganisation Support in installing, running and implementing new features for phpOrganisation is available; contact me at the email address below. We'd welcome contributions to phpOrganisation - there's much still to do. Drop me a line if you'd like to help. More information about phpOrganisation and Hypercube Systems is at: http://www.hypercubesystems.co.uk/ regards, Seb James -- Business Systems, Hypercube Systems Ltd Providing Open Source IT solutions. Tel: 0845 458 0277 Web: www.hypercubesystems.co.uk Mob: 07900 958964 Email: seb(a)hypercubesystems.co.uk

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RE: [ALUG] So where do I start then?
by Steve Purkiss 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 08:50, bjsamuels(a)beenthere-donethat.org.uk wrote: > On 19-Jul-2004 Steve Purkiss wrote: > > > > Met Chris from frugalIT in Witham the other night at my A12 business > > networking club meeting and he said would be good to set something up > > for the - let's say "lower" regions of East Anglia - Norwich is a bit > > too far and Southend is an entirely different world to Chelmsford. > > > > So, where do I start then? Do I buy a domain or set up a subdomain? > > Anyone wanna point me in the right direction? > > > > I may not be a sysadmin wizard but I'll help all I can to set up and > > run... > > Chris > > Are you aware that there is an Essex Linux User Group (ELUG) in existence? > > It does have a web site at http://www.epos.demon.co.uk and I am still actually > subscribed, I think, to the mailing list. The web site doesn't appear to have > been updated since 1997 and the mailing list has been dead since 2001. > > I did post about this to the ALUG list at the beginning of July but it seems to > have gone largely unnoticed. > > I don't know where you are geographically but I am near Tiptree. I may be able > to offer some help. You can either email me or telephone on 01621 816561. > > Regards > > Barry Samuels > http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk > The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain Hi, Steve here actually - yes was aware of the one in Essex - I contacted the guy who ran it about a year back and he said it was now defunct. So I'm starting up a group for Essex/the East which is not covered by the rest - mainly Chelmsford and surrounding areas (Brentwood, Braintree, etc.) Until I get the site up then happy to collect names if anyone's interested. Cheers, steve -- Open for Organisations supporting open source software http://www.open4.org/

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Re: [ALUG] So where do I start then?
by John Seago 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Further to my earlier post on this matter, I will put something in the uk.local East Anglian and uk.local Essex, with a view to eliciting a response to the ALUG main list. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Linspire (Lindows) "Light my fire" Parody
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Gotta see and hear this; <http://www.linspire.com/RunLinspireFlash.php>

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Re: [ALUG] So where do I start then?
by John Seago 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

On Tuesday 20 Jul 2004 06:25, Steve Purkiss <bnmlist(a)open4.org> wrote: > > Met Chris from frugalIT in Witham the other night at my A12 business > networking club meeting and he said would be good to set something up > for the - let's say "lower" regions of East Anglia - Norwich is a bit > too far and Southend is an entirely different world to Chelmsford. > > So, where do I start then? Do I buy a domain or set up a subdomain? > Anyone wanna point me in the right direction? > > I may not be a sysadmin wizard but I'll help all I can to set up and > run... > > I'm planning a "training" event for ecademy sometime in the next month > or two so may just slip Linux on all the machines and run a dual event. > At the end of the day, all that is needed is a web browser to run > ecademy so why not?! > > Steve Purkiss I would have thought that it depends on whether this is an extension South of ALUG, or the construction of ELUG. The former may make an easer start, which can be developed into something else if there is a big enough base, later. The ALUG Web site is already there, along with this mailing list. It looks as though all you really need to do is find the bodies and perhaps when you think you've got enough organise a meeting for them. Whilst it may seem a long way to go perhaps attending the ALUG Barbecue may give you an idea of what works further North. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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So where do I start then?
by Steve Purkiss 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Met Chris from frugalIT in Witham the other night at my A12 business networking club meeting and he said would be good to set something up for the - let's say "lower" regions of East Anglia - Norwich is a bit too far and Southend is an entirely different world to Chelmsford. So, where do I start then? Do I buy a domain or set up a subdomain? Anyone wanna point me in the right direction? I may not be a sysadmin wizard but I'll help all I can to set up and run... I'm planning a "training" event for ecademy sometime in the next month or two so may just slip Linux on all the machines and run a dual event. At the end of the day, all that is needed is a web browser to run ecademy so why not?! Steve Purkiss -- Open for Organisations supporting open source software http://www.open4.org/

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Problem delivering local mail
by Ian Douglas 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

Hi Folks, I am having trouble sending mail to other users on my PC. I used to me able to type "mail tux" at the shell prompt and create a mail which was delivered to user "tux" on my local PC but can no longer do this. Now if I try and send mail to local user "tux" then something on my system is incorrectly expanding the "To" address to tux(a)uk2.net (uk2 is my ISP) and sending it to my ISPs SMTP server, rather than simply putting it in tux's local inbox. My message to my local user therefore gets bounced back by UK2 as undeliverable (i.e mail to local users is now being treated as mail for remote users and leaves my PC rather than remaining on it and being instantly put in their local mailbox). If I try and send mail to my local user "tux" by quoting the full name of the local PC after his username: tux(a)bobbin.haberdashery.willowwindmill.net it again leaves my PC and is sent to my ISPs SMTP mailserver and is bounced back as undeliverable. I have copied the full text of the error messages I am getting onto the following webpage rather than appending them to this message: www.k1ngph1cher.uklinux.net/bobbinmailerrors.htm I guess I must have misconfigured something but am unsure what and don't know which files I need to edit to correct this. What do I need to tweak so that mail for local users is routed locally within my PC instead of being sent externally via my ISP? In case it is relevant the particular PC concerned (bobbin.haberdashery.willowwindmill.net) is running Slackware 10.0 Second question: Because of my mail delivery tests I now appear to have several test mail messages stuck in a mail queue somewhere on my PC. How do I delete all these duff messages from the mail queue so I can start sending valid emails again? Ta muchly! Ian.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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gtoaster
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 17 Jul '04

17 Jul '04

Hi Folks, I'm experimenting with gtoaster (can use xcdroast OK but interested by this other program). All I'm trying to do at the moment is to write a backup copy of my home directory ( /home/ted ) to CD. However, I'm up against a blank wall at one point, and I'd be grateful if anyone can help me past it. 1. Startup gtoaster -- OK 2. In top left-hand panel, click "+" of "Unix Tree" to expand it -- OK 3. Click on "+" of "home" to expand it -- OK 4. "Drag&drop" "ted" into borrom RH panel -- OK (list of files flashes by) 5. Bottom LH panel has an item "CDROM" whose "+" expands to "ted" which in turn expands to the files in /home/ted. So far so good, apparently. However, at the bottom is "Fillstate 0MB/ 746<B" and there seems to be nothing I can do to get it to recognise that there's 488MB in the filesystem /home/ted. Also, on the lower RH panel, all it says is "ted 4096 bytes" which is just the size of the directory stub itself, not of its contents. Gtoaster will now allow me to write a CD, but all it contains is the directory stub. So that's my blank wall: I want to climb past this so that it actually writes the files under /home/ted to the CD, and I can't for the life of me see what the trick is! Nor does the documentation help. gtoaster-1.0beta6 on Red Hat 9.1 So all suggestions gratefully received. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 17-Jul-04 Time: 23:03:38 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Coming down to earth
by Bryce Martin 16 Jul '04

16 Jul '04

Hello, I would like to extend the discussion about weekend trials or expositions of various equipment or software. I consider myself to be an ordinary modern linux user that struggles with the most basic problems of everyday useage. I don't want to list the most common difficulties that face the 'ordinary (none technical) user' because I don't know what they might be, but plugins for the very popular browsers konqueror and mozilla 1.7 could possibly be dealt with via the alug mailing list. I don't just mean refering users to a web site, which could be a good thing, but actually creating emails that show 'step by step' how to install a certain plugin or other task. Our top exponents of linux might enjoy writing these postings. Documentation relating to linux across the board is poor, in my opinion. Could we as a user group make a difference to this problem of documentation by helping with a (very loosely) structured education program that is conducted via the alug mailing list? The mailing list serves the really knowledgable linux users quite well in a conversational way, but now that linux is so much more mainstream, it would be nice to punctuate these savvy conversations with (possibly) regular(ish) instruction on the basics of linux. We could focus on the most basic configuration tasks via our mailing list to help NEW users of linux, and still enjoy the very stimulating discussions of experienced users. I would enjoy reading the unsolicited configurational instruction of an experienced user that was posted to the list on more BASIC topics. It could become normal practice. It can't hurt, but would take a little effort admittedly. Kind regards, Bryce. ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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External CD-RW for laptop?
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Hi Folks, Has anyone any comments on possibilities for external CD-RW units for attaching to a laptop? DVD support is not needed, but if inevitable in order to have CD-RW then so be it. All I'm really interested in is writing CDs (there's already an internal CRDOM reader). I suppose USB is the way to go. One thing I'm (perhaps too theoretically) concerned about: To write a CD, the unit will need power which would be drawn from the laptop (unless the unit has an external power supply). Any known issues about this aspect of the matter? Might the laptop not be able to cope with the power demand? Any other issues? Total ignoramus here! Thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 15-Jul-04 Time: 13:46:05 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Problem configuring procmail
by Ian Douglas 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Hi Folks, I am having a bit of hassle configuring procmail. I have created a test user called tux and have confirmed I can send mail to him. I have then created a /home/tux/.procmailrc file containing: [tux@alice tux]$ cat .procmailrc VERBOSE=on MAILDIR=$HOME/mail PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.testing I have also created a /home/tux/.procmail directory and created a rc.testing file in it containing: [tux@alice tux]$ cat ~/.procmail/rc.testing :0: * ^Subject:.*HOT SPAM.HOT I then created a /home/tux/.forward file (which I copied from a book and don't understand) containing: [tux@alice tux]$ cat ~/.forward "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail -f || exec 75 tux" If however I try to send tux an email I get an error email back containing the following: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail -f || exec 75 tux" (expanded from: tux) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: cannot use & in command 554 "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail -f || exec 75 tux"... Service unavailable Do any ALUGers have any experience of configuring procmail and can help me suss out a correct ~/.forward file to invoke it? Ta muchly! Ian.

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Re: [ALUG] Aim & Purpose
by John Seago 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

On Tuesday 13 Jul 2004 00:17, MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > > Do you think it is possible for you all to agree and define the AIM of > > ALUG and the PURPOSE of the aim. [...] > > From past experience: No. I would have to agree with Mark, however, I find ALUG to be a thing so wonderful, that I am trying to, either extend ALUG to the South into Essex, or to encourage those that I can find in the area to form an Essex LUG, so that they can enjoy an unstructured anarchic group with a common interest in GNU/Linux. Perhaps that is ALUG's aim, to be an unstructured, anarchic group with a common interest in GNU/linux, covering the Anglian area, with some of its members providing mailing list administration, a Library etc. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Red Hat 9 registration & apm command
by John Seago 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

"R.F.Jarvis" <robert.jarvis90(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > Thanks Martyn, does this mean that the problem I have with the apm > command locking my computer cannot be resolved without the updates? > If I decide to try fedora does this overwrite redhat9? > Bearing in mind that I have a stand alone computer, (Dual boot with > Windows XP) that is only for personal use and wish only to become > familiar with a Linux OS. You may be better off with one of the other distributions in that case, I found Slackware to be a good choice for me. Have a look here: http://www.distrowatch.com/ and see if theres a distribution that suits your needs. Whatever you choose someone on this list will at least have an idea why X, Y, or Z 'does that' or 'doesn't do this', and be able if not to offer help, point you in the right direction. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Red Hat 9 registration & apm command
by R.F.Jarvis 12 Jul '04

12 Jul '04

Can anyone help me to solve 2 problems I have with red hat 9? 1. I cannot register for updates. The first step (privacy statement) remains blank with the cursor showing busy. The next set of steps are filled in with the required information, but finishes with the error, problem registering user name. 2. If I use the apm command to suspend or standby, the screen shuts down then immediately turns itself back on, then the terminal window continually writes, root @ localhost root, until it is full. Then all programs do not respond,then eventually the whole screen is locked so the computer has to be turned off. Bob Jarvis. (New to Linux)

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Fw: [ALUG] Coming down to earth
by Keith Watson 12 Jul '04

12 Jul '04

Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:43:53 +0100 From: Keith Watson <keith@watson> To: alug <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Cc: Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com>, IanBell <ian(a)redtommo.com>, Graham Trott <gt(a)pobox.com> Subject: Re: [ALUG] Coming down to earth At 07:09 on Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Bryce Martin wrote: > Hello, > I would like to extend the discussion about weekend > trials or expositions of various equipment or > software. > I consider myself to be an ordinary modern linux user > that struggles with the most basic problems of > everyday useage. I don't want to list the most common > difficulties that face the 'ordinary (none technical) > user' because I don't know what they might be, but > plugins for the very popular browsers konqueror and > mozilla 1.7 could possibly be dealt with via the alug > mailing list. I don't just mean refering users to a > web site, which could be a good thing, but actually > creating emails that show 'step by step' how to > install a certain plugin or other task. Our top > exponents of linux might enjoy writing these postings. > Documentation relating to linux across the board is > poor, in my opinion. Could we as a user group make a > difference to this problem of documentation by helping > with a (very loosely) structured education program > that is conducted via the alug mailing list? The > mailing list serves the really knowledgable linux > users quite well in a conversational way, but now that > linux is so much more mainstream, it would be nice to > punctuate these savvy conversations with (possibly) > regular(ish) instruction on the basics of linux. We > could focus on the most basic configuration tasks via > our mailing list to help NEW users of linux, and still > enjoy the very stimulating discussions of experienced > users. > I would enjoy reading the unsolicited configurational > instruction of an experienced user that was posted to > the list on more BASIC topics. It could become normal > practice. > It can't hurt, but would take a little effort > admittedly. > Kind regards, > Bryce. > A bit late but Snap! I've been thinking along similar lines for a while now. I must say that with Linux I find that it's not the lack of info. that's a problem but the excess of info. To start with most pieces of software installed usually have a whole chunk of documentation (admittedly it can be patchy, but, IME, it's usually reasonably complete) and then there's the Linux Documentation Project that has tons of stuff and then there's loads of mailing lists like this that can be searched with Google. Often what's needed when you're just getting into something is quick concise answers to some of the basic problems i.e. how do I do a basic install/configure of this? or I installed that and now this is broke how do I fix it? (and some help in finding your way around the terminology) In mailing lists like this it's not always easy to indicate what you have under your belt already so that those who reply can pitch the answer at the right level. Perhaps a better way is for us to help ourselves by using the wiki pages and instead of HOWTOs adding our own HOWIDIDITS? What I was thinking is that whenever one of us, whatever our level of experience with GNU/Linux, tackles and resolves a problem, e.g installing a bit of hardware or configuring/upgrading a piece of software, we could add a wiki page with a short write up and appropriate links to other sources of info. we used. Not as formal or structured as a HOWTO perhaps just a simple log of steps taken and what happened, but I'm sure that over time it would contain useful hits and tips. I believe the wiki already has an area for this so what we need to do is get list members to use it. In this way everyone can usefully contribute. Regards, Keith -------------- See into life. Don't just look at it. - Anne Baxter Regards, Keith -------------- The saddest thing in the world is a person with sight but no vision. - Helen Keller

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 Jul '04

12 Jul '04

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RE: [ALUG] Alug Library!
by Keith Watson 12 Jul '04

12 Jul '04

> From: Kirsten Naylor Sent: 10 July 2004 00:56 > > The library has grown unwieldy now, and too big to haul to > any meetings > really except Sunday afternoon meetings such as at Syleham (short > staggering distance from car boot to table top). (Thanks to everyone > who has donated books lately!) So I draw everyone's attention to > http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?LibraryBooklist which, now I > look at it, > ought to have ISBNs listed and a short description of each > book, to aid > people in making their selections. > > The idea is that those who would like books from the library > place their > requests with me or Adam (quinophex) and we will deliver to the next > meeting, whenever that may be. If you live outside the > Norwich area and > can't attend Norwich meetings, we'd appreciate it if you'd cover the > postage costs for us to post the book to you. > > Books can be returned, more or less at leisure (no time limit on the > loan as such, in practice six months is about the limit) in the same > fashion, or posted, or whatever as long as we get them back :) > > I will endeavour to get descriptions up as soon as possible. How about just linking back to the publishers site or Amazon or whatever? > > /Kirsten Regards, Keith ____________ Do not fear the arising of thoughts - only be concerned lest your awareness of them be tardy. - Zen Saying

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