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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

I tried the Ctrl + Alt +F1 and that does work, so one symptom is down to not paying attention when Mark and Adam told me how to do it. I have set /etc/hosts to the same format as my Slackware partitions but still I can get to gdm, log in and then the system hangs at "initializing system services" and after a time goes back to grey with the cursor, although I did get the KDE start-up tones whilst altering /etc/hosts from root. I also re-checked and reset xf86config, although I have set it exactly the same as the same version of X which runs my Slackware the screen image is just a tad squashed. Note please do not assume that because I can work VI enough to rewrite /etc/hosts that I can do much else from the command line. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

On Wednesday 16 June 2004 15:32, you wrote: > John, > > Try logging in via one of the virtual terminal screens: ALT+F1. If that > works, This has been the problem, both with 'Woody and 'Sarge' will not respond to ALT+F1! > it proves that there's nothing wrong with the actual > installation, only with the configuration of the window system or the > particular window manager you're using. It looks to me suspiciously as > though it's your X server, though I guess you've realized that already. As far as the Xserver goes, on one of my attempts the installer set it up properly, and on one of the others I did, the login screen is perfect beautifully sharp, and KDE went so far as to give me the set-up wizard before the login box on initial start up. KDE gets as far as the second Icon, (28% in the progress bar), and then stops and goes back to the grey screen with the cursor, Gnome tells me that it could not look up the internet address of the name, and to add the name to /etc/hosts. The names, I left the first as debian, not knowing what was expected, the second I made debian.experiment, the third I used the series of english philosphers.enlightenment .net, in this case thomashobbes.enlightenment.net. wwwofle also shows as failing in the, scroll past at opening. As far as I and my son-in-law can diagnose, its down to ineptitude on my part, I just can't get the hostname, networking bit right and it wont start fully. > > HTH. (Hope that helps?) > On another matter, I see that there are members/a member in the Ipswich area seeking start meetings. The next nearest LUG South, is Southend-on-Sea, and to the west Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire. There must be more than just yourself in Colchester, and I can't believe there's no-one in Chelmsford. Then there's the rest of Essex and the whole of South-West Suffolk apparently a dessert for ALUG or any kind of LUG members. What's your assessment of the need/demand for LUG activities in that area, would it be worth a recruitment notice in uk.comp.os.linux? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Backup software
by Chris Green 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

I am thinking around the problem of improving my backups having had a near disaster a couple of months ago (some disk recovery software saved my bacon). The home network consists of a Linux (slackware) server machine that is on all the time and two or three Win2k desktop machines. I have an old DAT tape drive on the Linux box but I'm leaning towards using the DVD writer on my Win2k desktop machine instead. Backing up the home directories on the Linux box is easy[ish] as they are all simply below the /home directory. However trying to gather the Win2k files I need to backup as well is more messy. I can map drives either way across the network and I could quite easily move the DVD writer to the Linux box. Does anyone here have any recommendations for backup programs for this sort of scenario. What I'm particularly after is something that will have a reasonably good shot at selecting files to be backed up without me having to specify every single folder. I'm quite happy to add a few 'rogue' ones as I find them (e.g. my Palm files) but there must be soemthing that will make a half reasonable shot at finding most 'user' files. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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x86-64
by BenEBoy 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

As mentioned before (unless the post has been eaten somewhere along the line), I am the proud owner of an AMD64. I installed debian on it and, as usual, compiled the kernel from source (it took 10 minutes, rather than the 40-50 mins it used to take). The only problem was that the bzImage was in the i386 directory and not, as I would expect, in the x86-64 directory. *slap* I just checked my .config file and I selected the wrong option on the processor type...onto my second question... I've googled for an answer to this with no luck, but how do I install the 64 bit versions of software for debian? Will apt-get automagically detect I have a 64bit processor and do it for me? Is it not as simple as that? Thanks, BenE

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Re: Debian Install
by John Seago 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

I have been out to my son-in law, both of us Slackware users, to discuss this problem. He tells me that as Slackware users we have been spoilt as Slackware comes with its Gateway, Name Server, Host Name, Hosts Allow, Domain name etc., etc., all ready set up. I just edit the file to alter the computer and domain names, before doing xf86config. (My computer is a stand alone machine with a modem to connect, very, very slowly to the internet). It would appear that its a problem with all, one or some of the above and I need to know the right answers when the installer asks me for decisions, it also explains the failure to get very far with its start up. I've been given some background reading homework and he advised me to ask what answers I might need. As before all suggestions welcome for the next attempt to install! -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Debian Install
by John Seago 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

Those at the last meeting at Syleham will remember that I had problems installing Debian 'Woody' amongst which was the fact that some of my hardware is too modern for the version of 'X'. Today I received Debian 'Sarge' the installer seems to have changed considerably and the whole process is much simpler, however I have arrived at the graphical log-in and then having given my user name and password both KDE and Gnome go as far as, in the case of KDE the second Icon 28% and then stall. Gnome tells me that as it cannot find Debian org it can go no further and stalls. It seems that this has something to do with the hostname and the connection to the outside world. CntlF1 or CntlF2 do not get me into root, this must be something I am getting wrong on the install/configuration, any suggestions please? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Am I still subscribed
by Chris Green 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 03:56:35PM +0100, Graham Trott wrote: > On Monday 14 June 2004 15:43, Chris Green wrote: > > I am having a serious probelm with my mail here at chris(a)areti.co.uk, > > I seem to have suddenly lost all mailing list mail whereas everything > > else seems basically OK. > > > > If this gets to the list I'd very much appreciate some confirmation > > E-Mails to any/all of the following addresses:- > > > > chris(a)isbd.co.uk > > chris.green(a)vidus.com > > cgreeen(a)x-1.net > > All, as requested... > OK, thanks all, I have enough responses now to see that I can read 'normal' E-Mail and I can send messages to the list. For some reason though since about midday I'm no longer receiving any mail from any of the lists I'm subscribed to. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Introduction
by Stuart Bailey 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

Hello, I wanted to introduce myself to the ALUG. I am currently unemployed (having been made redundant from my old job) and planning to start my own business. My objective in my venture is to promote and support the use of Linux in the small to medium sized business, particularly in east Norfolk. I have been working in IT for about 15 years, initially working in the air traffic control industry, and later in the oil pipeline survey industry. I am qualified and experience in software development, mainly C++, on Unix platforms, and more recently Win32. I have been using Linux at home and work for around 6 years (my first taste coming in the form of RedHat v3.2). Academically, I have a 1st class honours degree in computer science and have gained chartered engineer status through the BCS. In recent years I have become increasingly frustrated with company decision makers, who repeatedly ignore the benefits of Linux over other operating systems. I have found this due mainly to two things: lack of knowledge, and fear of change. I have now found myself in a position where I can do something about this problem - to actively promote Linux and increase awareness amongst local businesses, and to offer support and maintenance in order to alleviate the fear of change. My reason for contacting the ALUG in this way, really is to ensure that I am supporting the ALUG in its activities and ideas, rather than 'stepping on anyones toes'. I look forward to meeting you at a future ALUG meeting. Regards, Stuart Bailey LinuSoft (01953) 601294 email: stuart(a)linusoft.co.uk.

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Very strange mail problem
by Chris Green 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

I'm still having this very odd mail problem. I'm subscribed to this list (and several others) from my habitual mail address of chris(a)areti.co.uk. Since about midday yesterday mailing list mail has dried up completely, I know some of the lists have had mail since then so where's it going? Other mail to chris(a)areti.co.uk is arriving OK. I'm wondering if a spam filter somewhere has become over zealous. This mail is really just a test from my new subscription to generate some traffic that I can try copying to chris(a)areti.co.uk to see if it can arrive. So, sorry for the 'noise'. -- Chris Green (cgreen(a)x-1.net)

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Cheap and cheerful printer
by John Seago 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

I have a HP 710c which has stood unused for some time, free if you want it, (I changed over to a Samsung ML1210 laser two years ago, still on the first of the oiginal toner cartridges). I don't know what happens to the ink if you don't use it for a while though. You should have told the list last Thursday, as I went to Cambridge on Friday and might have been able to go part way to delivering it. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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"cheap & cheerful" printer
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

Hi Folks (apologies for any cross-posts you may receive), I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful printer which I can take with me to other places which may not have print facilities (I don't want to subject my excellent HP Laserjet to shocks and vibrations ... !). I've come across the Lexmark Z708 inkjet, apparently available at PC World for £29.99 (in-store). Not that I like inkjets, since the cartridge price leads to high running costs in the long term (it looks as though Lexmark cartridges, even black and white, cost over $20, i.e. nearly as much as the printer in this case). However, the price is right ... ! Does anyone have any experience of using the Lexmark 708, who can a) Comment on its quality and performance b) Comment on usability with Linux? (USB connection, by the way, which should not be a problem in principle). I haven't been able to suss out from websites what printer language it uses, for instance, so don't know whether ghostscript would be able to convert PS output to drive this printer. With thanks, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Jun-04 Time: 09:14:43 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Am I still subscribed
by Chris Green 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

I am having a serious probelm with my mail here at chris(a)areti.co.uk, I seem to have suddenly lost all mailing list mail whereas everything else seems basically OK. If this gets to the list I'd very much appreciate some confirmation E-Mails to any/all of the following addresses:- chris(a)isbd.co.uk chris.green(a)vidus.com cgreeen(a)x-1.net -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Alug library
by adam＠thebowery.co.uk 13 Jun '04

13 Jun '04

Hi all, Today I finally got around to updating the list of books that the Alug library has, the updated list can be found here http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?LibraryBooklist Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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European Elections
by John Seago 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

On Thursday we all have the chance, together with our families, friends and all those we can influence to vote in the European Election. Look here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mikepitt/cambridge_politics/euro04.html Scroll down to the table that shows the previous results. It seems to me that if we made a concerted effort despite our own political convictions to vote UKIP we may be able to unseat the sitting Lib Dem! This will send message, very painful for the man, who will lose an income of about £75000 > £100000 and expenses, to the man, and the party, that due to their voting against our interests in the last parliament we have decided to vote against their interests in this election. This can be rammed home if he does get unseated by sending him, or the Lib Dems office an email telling them that those against Software patents worked to unseat a Candidate of the party that voted the 'wrong way'! Its brutal and unkind, but it will let Politicians know that we are a force to be reckoned with! -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] European Elections
by John Seago 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

On Wednesday 09 June 2004 00:35, BenEBoy <psychoferret(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: > But UKIP is a single issue group. If you don't agree with that single > issue then you shouldn't vote for them. In the grand scheme of > things, the UK withdrawing from Europe is more important than > software patents (*dons flame proof trousers*). People shouldn't vote > for UKIP just because they agree with *one* of their policies. Offered a choice between one Candidate I agree with 90% but not the last 10% on an issue on which I am campaigning, and another with whom I don't agree at all, except on that one point, where neither candidate is going to form, with others, a big enough grouping to have much effect, then I'll vote for the latter! > I'm sorry, but unless they election was *very* close, he's not going > to care at all. How many people would vote against him because of > patents? <100? <50? It's an important issue, but a minor one to most > voters. From what I've seen, heard and read, it might indeed be that close, if Andrew Duff loses by ONE vote, and then 200 voters tell him its because they worked to send a message on software patents and voting records, then both he, and the rest of his party who did get elected, are going to pay attention. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Meeting report: City Gate Thursday 10 June
by Kirsten Naylor 11 Jun '04

11 Jun '04

A very convivial meeting; myself (wildduck), Adam (quinophex), Jonathan (Noodles), Elisabeth (sunflowerinrain), Brett (iDunno) and Graham. Great fun had by all! We were there from 8pm (latest arrivals around 9pm) till 11.30pm. Hopefully more faces next time - remember, second Thursday of the month at the City Gate. /Kirsten

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Meeting: City Gate, tonight, 8pm!
by Kirsten Naylor 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

We're all meeting at 8pm in the City Gate, as per http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Directions can be found here http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/citygate.html See you all tonight :) /Kirsten

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Re: [ALUG] European Elections
by John Seago 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

On Thursday 10 June 2004 06:25, Adam <adam(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > > Scroll down to the table that shows the previous results. It seems to > > me that if we made a concerted effort despite our own political > > convictions to vote UKIP we may be able to unseat the sitting Lib Dem! > > No, error, bad! wrong! European Parliament elections (AIUI) use a > proportional representation system and going by the results of the last > election is possibly not a good idea. So far I have read that many of > the main parties (especially Conservatives and Labour) are losing votes > to minority parties, so what everyone *must* do is vote, as every vote > for a party that isn't a main party means you make their share of the > vote smaller, at least then even votes for something scary like the BNP > will give the main parties less seats. So like Alan Cox said vote Green > or UKIP (personally I feel the UKIP has more against it than for it) or > one of the other minority parties, I don't suppose anyone knows Martin > Bells position on software patents? I do apologise if that was not what I wrote, I am taking rather a lot of prescription pain-killers lately and this has some effect on my abilities, (luckily the side effect is that I don't care). My intention was to make exactly the same point as Adam has. Even were I to re-read my original post, I know from past experience that I would only see what I meant to write. UKIP may not appear very attractive, however they do appear to be the front runners of the minor parties, but the real point is to VOTE, but NOT for the three big parties. When its political parties, is it party's or parties? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Article on Open Source Telephony
by Chris Glover 09 Jun '04

09 Jun '04

Hi, I just got this from the Asterisk mailing list, thought it might be of interest to some. "Is open source IP telephony ready for prime time? Yes" by Zenas Hutcheson, St. Paul Venture Capital Network World, 06/07/04 http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2004/0607faceoffyes.html http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2004/0607faceoffno.html Enjoy Chris -- Chris ---------------------------------- E Mail: chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk SIP: 84411389(a)voiptalk.org IAXTEL: 17003366726

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Duplicates
by Anthony Anson 09 Jun '04

09 Jun '04

I keep getting duplicates from the list, is anyone else? It has to be this list because the last download only had mail from here. (If not I shall have to turn duplicate check off and wait...) -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ God sends the meat, the Devil sends the cooks.

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Norwich Internet Cafe
by Syd Hancock 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

(Sorry this isn't in the main thread) 1. This could be a perfect venue for some sunday afternoon meetings if that was OK with Lewis. Bandwidth, easy to get to, plenty of parking etc. 2. Is it time to think again about how often to have sunday meetings in Norwich? A year ago it was agreed to have them every three months so that meetings in other parts of the region wouldn't be stifled but apart from BJ at Syleham there haven't been many, if any, other w/e meetings. If we *could* use the Norwich Internet Cafe in the market on a sunday afternoon then how about every other month? Syd

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LibDems and software patents
by Alex Macfie 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

> > http://www.linux.org.uk/open.l.html> > /Kirsten> > Me too - thanks for the link - kinda summarises well what I've found out > so far, however on the wider scale of things I personally would prefer > voting Libdems who weren't mentioned there but I understand they are > also more receptive to our 'cause'. > > LibDem MEPs voted for software patents (ignoring party policy). For this they have come in for considerable criticism within the party. Full UK MEP voting data: http://www.ffii.org.uk/votes/swpat/country/UK.html Alex

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Re: [ALUG] Norwich Internet Cafe meetings?
by Brett Parker 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 06:04:23PM +0100, Chris Walker wrote: > On Fri 30 Apr, Lewis Allen wrote: > > > > Thank you to everyone who took the time to comment on our offer of the > > Internet Cafe in Norwich Market as an additional venue for ALUG evening > > meetings. It would appear from the replies, so far, that a pub is still > > the much prefered venue. No matter, I am quite fond of beer too and often > > to be found in the Fat Cat sampling the Adnams. > > Adnams? You need to get out more ;-) The Fat Cat is about as out as you can get for good beer selection, obviously they're a die hard adnams fan, or not very adventurous ;) I don't think I've ever had the same drink on different sessions in the Fat Cat, wander in, pick something random from the vast selection, drink, if it's good stick to it for that session, if not, switch again and keep going till one that is good (doesn't usually take long ;) *grin* Ta, -- Brett Parker

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Norwich Internet Cafe meetings?
by MJ Ray 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

After http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-May/018849.html, Craig seemed in favour of meeting at the internet cafe, but hadn't checked the place. No-one else has any opinion? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing Help hack the EuroParl! http://mjr.towers.org.uk/proj/eurovote/

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