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Norwich meeting Sunday 27 June
by Elisabeth 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

ALUG meeting on Sunday 27 June 2004, 14:00 Common Room, Nelson Court, UEA Campus map is at http://www.uea.ac.uk/campus_2004.pdf There is a carpark charge of £1, or you could park outside the campus, or get a lift from me.

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Red Hat Registration & apm
by R.F.Jarvis 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

Hello, can anyone help to solve 2 problems I have with red hat 9 1. I cannot register for updates. The first step (privacy statement) remains blank with the cursor showing busy. The next set of steps are filled in with the required information, but finishes with the error, problem registering user name. 2. If I use the apm command to suspend or standby, the screen shuts down then immediately turns itself back on, then the terminal window continually writes, root @ localhost root, until it is full. Then all programs do not respond,then eventually the whole screen is locked so the computer has to be turned off. Bob Jarvis. (New to Linux)

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Samba quandry
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

Hello there I have two linux boxes running samba. Both have the same workgroup. On both machines I have user 'charles' with the same smb password. However to see each other's user shares I am asked to log in. How do I make the smb server accept the 'charles' from the remote machine as the local charles? On window shares, without domains, matching username/passwords is usually the only requirement. Cheers Charles

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Re: [ALUG] Debian Install 7th attempt succeeded.
by John Seago 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

On Saturday 19 June 2004 Tim Green <alugmain2003(a)spodlife.org> wrote: > X has been tricky for me because of a lack of a clear distinction between > v3 and v4 of XFree86 in Stable. Could you clarify this please? Is there a version 4 of XF86 in 'Woody', I have both 'Woody' and 'Sarge'. Debian is renowned for its stability, and obviously the current/stable version must be the most stable. I would, if I could get X to work with my graphics card use 'Woody', but to do that I need version 4. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Debian Install 4th Attempt
by John Seago 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

On Friday 18 June 2004, Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk> wrote: > giving it the name of debian.org sounds, erm, very wrong to me. Your > machine is *NOT* debian.org, don't tell it that it is... My home machine > was set up with hostname set to dustpuppy and domain to thehouse.home > (which does not exist :), it just worked. At a guess I'd say that you're > specifying some DNS servers that it can't access when not dialed up, you > should probably not set any DNS servers during the setup *except* from > in the ppp config, though I normally set that to automagic, which just > works :) I found it it was an example on page 48 of "learning Debian GNU/Linux. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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RE: [ALUG] Debian Install 7th attempt succeeded.
by Jenny Hopkins 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Seago [mailto:johnseago@two-ravens.org.uk] > > Open xterm, su to root, pppconfig. Done. simple. For network setup, > > edit /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces will give all the > > information required). > > There seems to be another problem there, trying su, in an > xterm gives the > answer authentication not recognised, perhaps I haven't > installed sudo? > What I have done is apt-get Midnight Commander, now I'm dealing with > something I'm used to and its beginning to look a more > realistic project. > John, "su" is short for "switch user". You can "su john" or "su jenny", for example. In the case of root, the "root" is not necessary, so "su" is the same as "su root". When switching between users you will be prompted for that user password, unless you are calling the command from root. If you are logged on to your Xwindow system as john and you open an xterm and type "su" you are effectively switching from user john to root - you should be asked for the root password here. Type it in, and if the $ sign at the prompt becomes a # sign, you are now root. The command "whoami" will also let you know which user you currently are. sudo is a program which will allow you to run certain commands as root without having to switch user - so if you install sudo and edit the config file to say that john can run such-and-such a program, you can do so as user john, by putting the command "sudo" before the main command. It can be dangerous to charge around your system as superuser :-))) so it is a useful little program to allow certain tasks as a mortal. Jen ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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Debian Install 7th attempt succeeded.
by John Seago 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Again I'm answering in the order that advice and help appered on the digest, thank you all for your patience with me during this ongoing saga. > You shouldn't do this I don't think. The slackware /etc/hosts has the > following comment:- > # By the way, Arnt Gulbrandsen <agulbra(a)nvg.unit.no> says that > 127.0.0.1 > # should NEVER be named with the name of the machine. It causes problems > # for some (stupid) programs, irc and reputedly talk. :^) > # > Probably not causing you a problem on a standalone system but worth > bearing in mind. If you want to put a host name in /etc/hosts then > give it a private IP address, e.g.:- > 127.0.0.1 localhost > 192.168.1.1 thomashobbes.enlightenment.net True, but it does work on Slackware, I then tried 192.168.0.1, then tried the next install. > giving it the name of debian.org sounds, erm, very wrong to me. Your > machine is *NOT* debian.org, don't tell it that it is... My home machine > was set up with hostname set to dustpuppy and domain to thehouse.home > (which does not exist :), it just worked. At a guess I'd say that you're > specifying some DNS servers that it can't access when not dialed up, you > should probably not set any DNS servers during the setup *except* from > in the ppp config, though I normally set that to automagic, which just > works :) Somewhere that day I'd read something along the lines of 'just add .org' to your host name, it did in any case dissappear with that specific install, its now back to thomas-hobbes. > Open xterm, su to root, pppconfig. Done. simple. For network setup, edit > /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces will give all the information > required). There seems to be another problem there, trying su, in an xterm gives the answer authentication not recognised, perhaps I haven't installed sudo? What I have done is apt-get Midnight Commander, now I'm dealing with something I'm used to and its beginning to look a more realistic project. Once again thank you all for you patience in dealing with my stream of questions, I have now joined the mailman.lug.org.uk Debian list so I can spread my bothering people between the two. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Debian Install 4th Attempt
by John Seago 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I retried this morning, gave it the name 'debian.org' when asked, used tasksel(?) to select Desktop, office and not much else that I can remember, used 'advanced' for the Xserver, and then as the dog had to go to the Vets and me to the Doctor later, Alison took me to the Post Office to collect my pension and when I came home there was a screen which I 'OK'd' and lo and behold everything works! What I didn't do was anything to do with my internet connection so the problems must be caused by my giving wrong answers to those. I know the number, user name, and password for my connection to my ISP so it must be the ISO code for UK/GB and the county number. Now I know its my fault I have another go at installing and write down the questions I can't answer or seem to be getting wrong and see if I can find the right answers, I will report my success of failure. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Introduction to ALUG
by R.F.Jarvis 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Hello, Since first registering on 6th June I have been reading the flow of e-mails in order to understand how ALUG operates. I am a bit confused over the two e-mail addresses function (main@... and main-admin@...) However, I am a self taught home computer owner that has never liked how Microsoft Windows works as an O.S or as a company. I knew of Linux for some time and several months ago obtained the system by accident being free with Linuxuser & developer (redhat 9 ) I successfully installed redhat 9 and have a dual boot system with Windows XP with no conflicts. It took some time to find a modum but succeeded after buying Red Hat Linux 9 for dummies and Red Hat Linux 9 Unleashed(a mighty tome). I don't know anyone who knows of linux and I have developed several problems that I cannot resolve, so need some information to enable me to rectify the problems. I have 5 grandchildren who use computers and wish to introduce them to linux O.S. Bob

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #185 - 12 msgs
by John Seago 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

I have answered all these posts in order as they appeared on todays digest. Thank you all those who have offered help advice and suggestions. I think the basic problem may very be with the operator rather that the Soft or Hardware, I will however persevere! > Also what does your /etc/hosts look like? Are you missing localhost by > any chance? No it looked like this: 127.0.0.1 localhost I then added the line: 127.0.0.1 thomashobbes.enlightenment.net > Some of those log in things want the root password in the password box > before Reboot and Shutdown will work. Not sure which is needed. They wanted the root password but it didn't work even having been given it. > Which installer are you using? and where did it come from? just > asking as Sarge isn't stable yet and is still in development, so it could > be you have a broken or buggy installer. Browsing disk 1 shows the installer as /install/2.6, I bought them from Steve McIntyre I don't think its the disks, its me as this seems to be exactly the same problem I had with Woody, I tried Sarge as I didn't want to go back a graphics card to get it to work with that version of X but I have now reached the point where I'll try one more re-installation and then try Woody with the previous graphics card. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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smbfs problems
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

Hi there I'm trying to mount smb partitions, but cannot seems to modprobe smfs into the kernel. I get the following: modprobe smbfs /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol kunmap_high /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol highmem_start_page /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: unresolved symbol kmap_high /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: insmod /lib/ modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.25-gentoo-r1/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o: insmod smbfs failed This is my config CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_UID16=y CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KMOD=y CONFIG_MXP31=y CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y CONFIG_X86_XADD=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=6 CONFIG_X86_HAS_TSC=y CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_USE_3DNOW=y CONFIG_X86_PGE=y CONFIG_X86_USE_PPRO_CHECKSUM=y CONFIG_X86_MCE=y CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y CONFIG_X86_PAE=y CONFIG_HIGHIO=y CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_PREEMPT=y CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_HAVE_DEC_LOCK=y CONFIG_NET=y CONFIG_PCI=y CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y CONFIG_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_CARDBUS=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_APM=m CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_MTD=m CONFIG_PARPORT=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_CML1=m CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO=y CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER=y CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_ISAPNP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096 CONFIG_BLK_STATS=y CONFIG_MD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=m CONFIG_MD_LINEAR=m CONFIG_MD_RAID0=m CONFIG_MD_RAID1=m CONFIG_MD_RAID5=m CONFIG_MD_MULTIPATH=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m CONFIG_PACKET=y CONFIG_UNIX=y CONFIG_INET=y CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST=y CONFIG_NET_IPIP=m CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=m CONFIG_IPV6=m CONFIG_KHTTPD=m CONFIG_IPV6_SCTP__=m CONFIG_ATM=m CONFIG_ATM_CLIP=m CONFIG_ATM_LANE=m CONFIG_ATM_MPOA=m CONFIG_ATM_BR2684=m CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q=m CONFIG_IPSEC=m CONFIG_IPSEC_IPIP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AH=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AUTH_HMAC_MD5=y CONFIG_IPSEC_AUTH_HMAC_SHA1=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ESP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ENC_3DES=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG=y CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_AES=m CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_TWOFISH=m CONFIG_IPSEC_ALG_SERPENT=m CONFIG_IPSEC_IPCOMP=y CONFIG_IPSEC_DEBUG=y CONFIG_IPSEC_NAT_TRAVERSAL=y CONFIG_PHONE=m CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ=m CONFIG_PHONE_IXJ_PCMCIA=m CONFIG_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_GENERIC=y CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_WIP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y CONFIG_SD_EXTRA_DEVS=40 CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG_QUEUES=y CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX=y CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_DEFAULT_TAGS=4 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_MAX_TAGS=32 CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C8XX_SYNC=20 CONFIG_I2O=m CONFIG_I2O_PCI=m CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK=m CONFIG_I2O_LAN=m CONFIG_I2O_SCSI=m CONFIG_I2O_PROC=m CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y CONFIG_DUMMY=m CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y CONFIG_NET_PCI=y CONFIG_EEPRO100=y CONFIG_PPP=m CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC=m CONFIG_PPP_SYNC_TTY=m CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE=m CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP=m CONFIG_PPPOE=m CONFIG_SLIP=m CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_PCNET=y CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA_RADIO=y CONFIG_PCMCIA_RAYCS=y CONFIG_IRDA=m CONFIG_IRLAN=m CONFIG_IRNET=m CONFIG_IRCOMM=m CONFIG_IRDA_ULTRA=y CONFIG_IRTTY_SIR=m CONFIG_IRPORT_SIR=m CONFIG_USB_IRDA=m CONFIG_NSC_FIR=m CONFIG_WINBOND_FIR=m CONFIG_TOSHIBA_OLD=m CONFIG_TOSHIBA_FIR=m CONFIG_SMC_IRCC_FIR=m CONFIG_ALI_FIR=m CONFIG_VLSI_FIR=m CONFIG_VIA_IRCC_FIR=m CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_X=1024 CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_Y=768 CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 CONFIG_MOUSE=y CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y CONFIG_AGP_I810=y CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD=y CONFIG_AGP_SIS=y CONFIG_AGP_ALI=y CONFIG_DRM=y CONFIG_DRM_NEW=y CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=y CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y CONFIG_DRM_I810=y CONFIG_DRM_I810_XFREE_41=y CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m CONFIG_VIDEO_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y CONFIG_REISERFS_FS=y CONFIG_REISERFS_PROC_INFO=y CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m CONFIG_JBD=m CONFIG_FAT_FS=m CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=m CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m CONFIG_TMPFS=y CONFIG_RAMFS=y CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y CONFIG_JFS_FS=m CONFIG_JFS_STATISTICS=y CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_CONFIG=m CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_XFS_FS=m CONFIG_NFS_FS=y CONFIG_NFSD=y CONFIG_SUNRPC=y CONFIG_LOCKD=y CONFIG_SMB_FS=m CONFIG_SMB_NLS_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="cp437" CONFIG_SMB_UNIX=y CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y CONFIG_SMB_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS_DEFAULT="iso8859-1" CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE=m CONFIG_FB=y CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_FB_LOGO_TUX=y CONFIG_FB_VESA=y CONFIG_FB_VGA16=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB8=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB16=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB24=y CONFIG_FBCON_CFB32=y CONFIG_FBCON_VGA_PLANES=y CONFIG_FONT_8x8=y CONFIG_FONT_8x16=y CONFIG_SOUND=y CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371=y CONFIG_USB=y CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=y CONFIG_USB_BLUETOOTH=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=m CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DATAFAB=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_FREECOM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_ISD200=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DPCM=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_HP8200e=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR09=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_SDDR55=y CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_JUMPSHOT=y CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT=0 CONFIG_ZLIB_INFLATE=m CONFIG_ZLIB_DEFLATE=m Any help really appretiated Cheers Charles

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Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

This time I gave it the name debian.test and got a different set of screens and questions and got further than before, the log-in screen did not appear and as it failed I was asked if I wanted to configure X myself. I've done this X Server before so I know I got it right, however if returned a fault telling me "host name lookup failed" and would not start the X server. I do not understand why a failure in networking, particularly as there is no network, is so important. However i got further this time, and its keeping me busy, the challenge continues onwards and upwards. (When I get this right I've got the CD's for the HURD somewhere, so I won't get bored). -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

I tried the Ctrl + Alt +F1 and that does work, so one symptom is down to not paying attention when Mark and Adam told me how to do it. I have set /etc/hosts to the same format as my Slackware partitions but still I can get to gdm, log in and then the system hangs at "initializing system services" and after a time goes back to grey with the cursor, although I did get the KDE start-up tones whilst altering /etc/hosts from root. I also re-checked and reset xf86config, although I have set it exactly the same as the same version of X which runs my Slackware the screen image is just a tad squashed. Note please do not assume that because I can work VI enough to rewrite /etc/hosts that I can do much else from the command line. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Debian Install, 3rd attempt
by John Seago 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

On Wednesday 16 June 2004 15:32, you wrote: > John, > > Try logging in via one of the virtual terminal screens: ALT+F1. If that > works, This has been the problem, both with 'Woody and 'Sarge' will not respond to ALT+F1! > it proves that there's nothing wrong with the actual > installation, only with the configuration of the window system or the > particular window manager you're using. It looks to me suspiciously as > though it's your X server, though I guess you've realized that already. As far as the Xserver goes, on one of my attempts the installer set it up properly, and on one of the others I did, the login screen is perfect beautifully sharp, and KDE went so far as to give me the set-up wizard before the login box on initial start up. KDE gets as far as the second Icon, (28% in the progress bar), and then stops and goes back to the grey screen with the cursor, Gnome tells me that it could not look up the internet address of the name, and to add the name to /etc/hosts. The names, I left the first as debian, not knowing what was expected, the second I made debian.experiment, the third I used the series of english philosphers.enlightenment .net, in this case thomashobbes.enlightenment.net. wwwofle also shows as failing in the, scroll past at opening. As far as I and my son-in-law can diagnose, its down to ineptitude on my part, I just can't get the hostname, networking bit right and it wont start fully. > > HTH. (Hope that helps?) > On another matter, I see that there are members/a member in the Ipswich area seeking start meetings. The next nearest LUG South, is Southend-on-Sea, and to the west Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire. There must be more than just yourself in Colchester, and I can't believe there's no-one in Chelmsford. Then there's the rest of Essex and the whole of South-West Suffolk apparently a dessert for ALUG or any kind of LUG members. What's your assessment of the need/demand for LUG activities in that area, would it be worth a recruitment notice in uk.comp.os.linux? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Backup software
by Chris Green 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

I am thinking around the problem of improving my backups having had a near disaster a couple of months ago (some disk recovery software saved my bacon). The home network consists of a Linux (slackware) server machine that is on all the time and two or three Win2k desktop machines. I have an old DAT tape drive on the Linux box but I'm leaning towards using the DVD writer on my Win2k desktop machine instead. Backing up the home directories on the Linux box is easy[ish] as they are all simply below the /home directory. However trying to gather the Win2k files I need to backup as well is more messy. I can map drives either way across the network and I could quite easily move the DVD writer to the Linux box. Does anyone here have any recommendations for backup programs for this sort of scenario. What I'm particularly after is something that will have a reasonably good shot at selecting files to be backed up without me having to specify every single folder. I'm quite happy to add a few 'rogue' ones as I find them (e.g. my Palm files) but there must be soemthing that will make a half reasonable shot at finding most 'user' files. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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x86-64
by BenEBoy 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

As mentioned before (unless the post has been eaten somewhere along the line), I am the proud owner of an AMD64. I installed debian on it and, as usual, compiled the kernel from source (it took 10 minutes, rather than the 40-50 mins it used to take). The only problem was that the bzImage was in the i386 directory and not, as I would expect, in the x86-64 directory. *slap* I just checked my .config file and I selected the wrong option on the processor type...onto my second question... I've googled for an answer to this with no luck, but how do I install the 64 bit versions of software for debian? Will apt-get automagically detect I have a 64bit processor and do it for me? Is it not as simple as that? Thanks, BenE

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Re: Debian Install
by John Seago 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

I have been out to my son-in law, both of us Slackware users, to discuss this problem. He tells me that as Slackware users we have been spoilt as Slackware comes with its Gateway, Name Server, Host Name, Hosts Allow, Domain name etc., etc., all ready set up. I just edit the file to alter the computer and domain names, before doing xf86config. (My computer is a stand alone machine with a modem to connect, very, very slowly to the internet). It would appear that its a problem with all, one or some of the above and I need to know the right answers when the installer asks me for decisions, it also explains the failure to get very far with its start up. I've been given some background reading homework and he advised me to ask what answers I might need. As before all suggestions welcome for the next attempt to install! -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Debian Install
by John Seago 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

Those at the last meeting at Syleham will remember that I had problems installing Debian 'Woody' amongst which was the fact that some of my hardware is too modern for the version of 'X'. Today I received Debian 'Sarge' the installer seems to have changed considerably and the whole process is much simpler, however I have arrived at the graphical log-in and then having given my user name and password both KDE and Gnome go as far as, in the case of KDE the second Icon 28% and then stall. Gnome tells me that as it cannot find Debian org it can go no further and stalls. It seems that this has something to do with the hostname and the connection to the outside world. CntlF1 or CntlF2 do not get me into root, this must be something I am getting wrong on the install/configuration, any suggestions please? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: [ALUG] Am I still subscribed
by Chris Green 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 03:56:35PM +0100, Graham Trott wrote: > On Monday 14 June 2004 15:43, Chris Green wrote: > > I am having a serious probelm with my mail here at chris(a)areti.co.uk, > > I seem to have suddenly lost all mailing list mail whereas everything > > else seems basically OK. > > > > If this gets to the list I'd very much appreciate some confirmation > > E-Mails to any/all of the following addresses:- > > > > chris(a)isbd.co.uk > > chris.green(a)vidus.com > > cgreeen(a)x-1.net > > All, as requested... > OK, thanks all, I have enough responses now to see that I can read 'normal' E-Mail and I can send messages to the list. For some reason though since about midday I'm no longer receiving any mail from any of the lists I'm subscribed to. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Introduction
by Stuart Bailey 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

Hello, I wanted to introduce myself to the ALUG. I am currently unemployed (having been made redundant from my old job) and planning to start my own business. My objective in my venture is to promote and support the use of Linux in the small to medium sized business, particularly in east Norfolk. I have been working in IT for about 15 years, initially working in the air traffic control industry, and later in the oil pipeline survey industry. I am qualified and experience in software development, mainly C++, on Unix platforms, and more recently Win32. I have been using Linux at home and work for around 6 years (my first taste coming in the form of RedHat v3.2). Academically, I have a 1st class honours degree in computer science and have gained chartered engineer status through the BCS. In recent years I have become increasingly frustrated with company decision makers, who repeatedly ignore the benefits of Linux over other operating systems. I have found this due mainly to two things: lack of knowledge, and fear of change. I have now found myself in a position where I can do something about this problem - to actively promote Linux and increase awareness amongst local businesses, and to offer support and maintenance in order to alleviate the fear of change. My reason for contacting the ALUG in this way, really is to ensure that I am supporting the ALUG in its activities and ideas, rather than 'stepping on anyones toes'. I look forward to meeting you at a future ALUG meeting. Regards, Stuart Bailey LinuSoft (01953) 601294 email: stuart(a)linusoft.co.uk.

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Very strange mail problem
by Chris Green 15 Jun '04

15 Jun '04

I'm still having this very odd mail problem. I'm subscribed to this list (and several others) from my habitual mail address of chris(a)areti.co.uk. Since about midday yesterday mailing list mail has dried up completely, I know some of the lists have had mail since then so where's it going? Other mail to chris(a)areti.co.uk is arriving OK. I'm wondering if a spam filter somewhere has become over zealous. This mail is really just a test from my new subscription to generate some traffic that I can try copying to chris(a)areti.co.uk to see if it can arrive. So, sorry for the 'noise'. -- Chris Green (cgreen(a)x-1.net)

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Cheap and cheerful printer
by John Seago 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

I have a HP 710c which has stood unused for some time, free if you want it, (I changed over to a Samsung ML1210 laser two years ago, still on the first of the oiginal toner cartridges). I don't know what happens to the ink if you don't use it for a while though. You should have told the list last Thursday, as I went to Cambridge on Friday and might have been able to go part way to delivering it. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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"cheap & cheerful" printer
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

Hi Folks (apologies for any cross-posts you may receive), I'm looking for a cheap and cheerful printer which I can take with me to other places which may not have print facilities (I don't want to subject my excellent HP Laserjet to shocks and vibrations ... !). I've come across the Lexmark Z708 inkjet, apparently available at PC World for £29.99 (in-store). Not that I like inkjets, since the cartridge price leads to high running costs in the long term (it looks as though Lexmark cartridges, even black and white, cost over $20, i.e. nearly as much as the printer in this case). However, the price is right ... ! Does anyone have any experience of using the Lexmark 708, who can a) Comment on its quality and performance b) Comment on usability with Linux? (USB connection, by the way, which should not be a problem in principle). I haven't been able to suss out from websites what printer language it uses, for instance, so don't know whether ghostscript would be able to convert PS output to drive this printer. With thanks, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Jun-04 Time: 09:14:43 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Am I still subscribed
by Chris Green 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

I am having a serious probelm with my mail here at chris(a)areti.co.uk, I seem to have suddenly lost all mailing list mail whereas everything else seems basically OK. If this gets to the list I'd very much appreciate some confirmation E-Mails to any/all of the following addresses:- chris(a)isbd.co.uk chris.green(a)vidus.com cgreeen(a)x-1.net -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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