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Software Patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Could you please tell me what your views of Software patents within Europe are? -- John Seago 19 Dakings Drift Halesworth Suffolk IP19 8TQ

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Green party Candidates http://www.easterngreenparty.org.uk/gp-euro-cand-2004.html -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Lib Dem Candidates Email addresses http://www.libdems.org.uk/index.cfm/page.euroresults/section.home -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Here are the addresses of the Conservative Candidates for the East of England: ecnormington(a)aol.com gvanorden(a)europarl.eu.int sturdy(a)europarl.eu.int cbeazley(a)europarl.eu.int jonathan(a)morgan2004.com strongcpa(a)aol.com Please remember to remove any signature line, (as with mine below), which indicates which side of the question you are likely to be on! Initially we need to make them think, and give an honest answer. Later we can present the material Mark is preparing. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Further to my previous post, here are the start points for the three largest parties. Others may be able to refine these to individuals Email addresses. http://www.conservatives.com/meps/candidates.cfm http://www.labour.org.uk/britainisworking/europeancandidates http://www.east.libdems.org/euromessage.htm -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Gentoo driving me mad
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 24 May '04

24 May '04

Hello all I'm doing a gentoo install on my shuttle cube, and I am gravitating towards utter lunacy! Basically the motherboard has all the nvidia nforce bits. Consequently until I can compile the kernel I can't put in the drivers for my NIC. No problem you download the universal livecd and uncompress stage1 and the the necessary bits should be there. Under usr/portage/distfiles I should have the necessary files to get me up to kernel level .... except there are a few minor things missing, you know little things like gcc or glibc, ... Ok so that's still only a minor problem, I can find out the list of missing files, reboot into windows, download them to a shared partition and off I go. Conviniently the bootstrap script that sets every up has a --fetchonly (-f) option will list all the missing packages. So I do bootstrap -f > /tmp/files oh bother most of the packages are coming out to stderr ok so I rephrase bootstrap -f 2>&1> /tmp/files It's still doing it I can't the list into /tmp/files aarrrrhhhh I'm not a bash expert but I thought the above syntax was ok So in short does anyone know how I can get this list of files before they put the straight jacket on me and I can't even type!! Cheers Charles

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

I note that there was some interest in discussing my post on the above subject. Was there the same level of interest in undertaking my suggested course of action? -- John Seago

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #160 - 12 msgs
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

On Sunday 23 May 2004 06:25, Joe Button <alug(a)joebutton.co.uk>wrote: Joe Button <alug(a)joebutton.co.uk> > I'd be interested if it was on another date, and more interested still > if it was in Norwich. > > Really I just want someone to tell me what to do, rather than explain > the issues. I'm happy to lobby my MEP but I don't know what I'm supposed > to suggest that he does at the moment. Just send this: <What is the XXXXX party's policy on Software patents within europe?> to the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, BNP, Greens, English Democrats and the Indepedents. It serves to make them think, and raises the matter as an issue in this election. You can then follow it up with whatever Mark has later -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 May '04

24 May '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [ALUG] Neil just joined.
by C. Neil Bauers 23 May '04

23 May '04

>>My name is Neil. >> >>I'm a teacher. >> >>I teach many Computing and ICT topics but of possible interest to this group is the installation and use of Linux, Apache, >MySQL and PHP with FTP and SSH in there too. I'm keen to learn more as I'm fairly new to all these topics (especially about security and SQL). > > >Hi Neil, > >Where do you teach? Secondary/primary/college? >Wish someone at my daughter's school would teach this stuff! > >Jenny Hi Jenny. I teach at East Norfolk Sixth Form College - Gorleston - Great Yarmouth. This is a Sixth Form College (16 plus students and some adults) We mostly teach this stuff to the BTEC students. I like the BTEC programmes. The syllabus encourages us to use up-to-date software and does not restrict us to Windows. Neil.

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Previous post
by John Seago 23 May '04

23 May '04

I do apologise for not altering the Subject Line on my Post on Software Patents. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Verifying CDs
by Joe Button 23 May '04

23 May '04

Hi. While thinking about making some free CDs to give out to people, it occurred to me that I'm suggesting people but CDRs of dubious provenance into their PCs and boot from them, which is probably not a good thing to be suggesting. I was wondering if there was any way people could verify their CD's md5sum against the 'official' one from the distro site. The two hurdles that immediately present themselves are: 1) I don't know how to get an md5sum from a CD once it's been burnt, or whether it would generate the same md5sum as the iso anyway and 2) The target users won't have a Gnu/Linux system with the relevant utilities on. Any suggestions? Joe PS my apologies for nasty pronoun disagreement in second para - feel free to suggest more grammatical rewordings

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Software patents...
by Steve Purkiss 22 May '04

22 May '04

Seen as you're talking about it: -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Steve Purkiss <steve(a)open4.org> > To: Lsp-Discussion <lsp-discussion(a)linuxsolutionproviders.co.uk> > Subject: [LSP-discussion] Richard Stallman 2nite > Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:36:09 +0100 > > I'm tempted... anyone else going? > > > Date: 20 May 2004 23:53:20 -0000 > > From: uk-help(a)ffii.org > > To: aaron(a)aaronhorn.co.uk > > Subject: Today (Friday): Richard Stallman and MEP candidates - patents meeting in London > > > > Dear FFII supporter, > > > > Richard Stallman will be giving a one hour talk on software patents in > > London tonight (Friday). > > > > Following the talk, a panel of representatives from the political > > parties will comment, and lay out their party positions.* > > > > > > Richard Stallman > > "The Dangers of Software Patents" > > > > Friday 21 May, 6pm > > > > Cruciform Building, Lecture Theatre #1, > > University College London, > > Gower Street. > > > > The event is free, and all are welcome. > > > > > > Nearest tubes are: > > Euston Square (Circle line, Metropolitan line) > > Warren Street (Victoria line, Northern line) > > > > > > Map: http://www.bcsb.lon.ac.uk/map_mainsiteb&wcrucihighlighted.jpg > > > > > > * Green party, Lib Dems, and UKIP representatives now confirmed. > > Labour and Conservative participation pending. > > > > Organised by the Foundation for Information Policy Research (FIPR), in > > association with the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure > > (FFII). > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Uk-help maillist > > Subscribe through the project system http://www.ffii.org/assoc/knecht/proj/, fine-tune via http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/uk-help > > http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/uk-help -- Steve Purkiss Open for Organisations supporting open source software www.open4.org

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Anarchist Bookfair
by MJ Ray 22 May '04

22 May '04

There's an Anarchist Bookfair in Norwich in June. http://twotins.tripod.com/onesolutionanarchistrevolution/id21.html Does anyone (especially anyone with experience of ABs or Norwich Anarchists) want to try selling at-cost CDs of free software at this? Do we have any freebies we could give out? If there's interest, I'll help, but I can't be in Norwich that day IIRC. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing

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Neil just joined.
by nbauers＠samphire.demon.co.uk 21 May '04

21 May '04

Hi. My name is Neil. I'm a teacher. I teach many Computing and ICT topics but of possible interest to this group is the installation and use of Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP with FTP and SSH in there too. I'm keen to learn more as I'm fairly new to all these topics (especially about security and SQL). Cheers. Neil.

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RE: [ALUG] Software patents
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

-----Original Message----- > From: Joe Button [mailto:alug@joebutton.co.uk] > Hi > > Does anyone here actually understand what the situation is > with software > patents in Europe? As I understand it we've basically just > been shafted by > the Council of Ministers. Is there anything we should be > doing at this point? > Has anyone been in touch with Richard Howitt? > > Joe > Joe, there's a pretty active discussion list archived here: http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/fsfe-uk/ Jen > ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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Software patents
by Joe Button 21 May '04

21 May '04

Hi Does anyone here actually understand what the situation is with software patents in Europe? As I understand it we've basically just been shafted by the Council of Ministers. Is there anything we should be doing at this point? Has anyone been in touch with Richard Howitt? Joe

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Export Outlook contacts to LDAP
by Chris Glover 21 May '04

21 May '04

Hi, Bit of a long one this... pay attention at the back :-) I've got he address book in my phone now syncronised with Outlook, what I want to do now, is convert Outlook contacts into something usefull... LDAP! I really don't like using Outlook at the best of times. Does anyone know a way of converting Outlook exported data, .pst. .csv etc into an ldif file. Ultimately I want to run Openldap on my linux machine, import the data, and hopefully do something fancy with Asterisk PBX. I'm currently bidding for a Cisco 7960 which can use LDAP. Many Thanks Chris -- Chris ---------------------------------- E Mail: chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk SIP: 84411389(a)voiptalk.org IAXTEL: 17003366726

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RE: [ALUG] mini usbdrive and permissions
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Dye [mailto:jon@pecorous.co.uk] > Sent: 21 May 2004 10:51 > To: Jenny Hopkins > Cc: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [ALUG] mini usbdrive and permissions > > > Jenny Hopkins wrote: > > Morning, > > Does anyone know if I can do anything about my mini usbdrive and > > permissions? Because I have to mount it vfat, any linux > files I copy > > to and from end up with ownership and permissions > completely screwed. > > It's an Iomega somethingorother and I mount it thusly: > mount /dev/sda1 > > /mnt/usbdrive -t vfat > > You could mount it as umsdos rather than vfat. From the kernel > documentation: > > "Umsdos is not a file system per se, but a twist to make a > boring one into a useful one. > > It gives you: > > long file names > Permissions and owners > Links > Special files (devices, pipes...) > All that is needed to be a linux root fs." > > > The first time you mount the usb device you'll have to run > umssync /mnt/usbdrive to create the magic --linux-.--- files > which actually store the owner/group and permission stuff but > after that if you mount the drive as umsdos then everything > should just look unixy from then on. > > JD > This seems to have confused the device a bit. Below is a log of what I was attempting to do, starting with including the umsdos module in the running kernel. Now I can't mount the device umsdos without the process hanging and getting a D, or mounting elsewhere as vfat as it says /sda1 is already mounted (but if I try to umount it it says it isn't mounted) Thanks, jen <--SNIP--> if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.4.20; fi ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive/ -t umsdos ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# umssync /mnt/usbdrive bash: umssync: command not found ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# apt-cache search umssync ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# apt-cache search umsdos umsdos - utilities for controlling a umsdos filesystem ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# apt-get install umsdos Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: umsdos 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 191 not upgraded. Need to get 18.7kB of archives. After unpacking 65.5kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main umsdos 1.13-2.1 [18.7kB] Fetched 18.7kB in 17s (1063B/s) Selecting previously deselected package umsdos. (Reading database ... 51207 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking umsdos (from .../umsdos_1.13-2.1_i386.deb) ... Setting up umsdos (1.13-2.1) ... Syncing UMSDOS filesystems ... ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# umssync /mnt/usbdrive This utility must operate on a directory of a umsdos mounted file system. Even an msdos file system won't do. If this is the case umount the file system and remount it as a umsdos one. ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# umount /mnt/usbdrive Segmentation fault ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive/ -t umsdos ....and i was left hanging here. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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RE: re. [ALUG] Neil just joined.
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [mailto:c@wizball.co.uk] > Sent: 21 May 2004 11:26 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: re. [ALUG] Neil just joined. > > > > On 21 May 2004, at 10:22, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > > > Wish someone at my daughter's school would teach this stuff! > > And then your daughter starts to submit kernel patches.......... > > C > It'll be great, I can just give her extra pocket money to be the household's network and sysadmin and I can go off and dig the garden or something. Jen ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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re. [ALUG] Neil just joined.
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

>My name is Neil. > >I'm a teacher. > >I teach many Computing and ICT topics but of possible interest to this group is the installation and use of Linux, Apache, >MySQL and PHP with FTP and SSH in there too. I'm keen to learn more as I'm fairly new to all these topics (especially >about security and SQL). Hi Neil, Where do you teach? Secondary/primary/college? Wish someone at my daughter's school would teach this stuff! Jenny ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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mini usbdrive and permissions
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

Morning, Does anyone know if I can do anything about my mini usbdrive and permissions? Because I have to mount it vfat, any linux files I copy to and from end up with ownership and permissions completely screwed. It's an Iomega somethingorother and I mount it thusly: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive -t vfat Thanks Jenny ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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[Alug Announce][lugmaster] Richard Stallman and MEP candidates - patents meeting in London tomorrow (Friday)
by James Heald 21 May '04

21 May '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Following the vote in favour of software patents on Tuesday in the Council of Ministers, it is now especially important to make MEP candidates aware of how significant this is. It's a 300 seater lecture theatre, and this has had to be organised at the last minute, so please help us publicise it and get the word out. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Stallman will be giving a one hour talk tomorrow (Friday) on software patents in London at UCL. Following the talk, a panel of representatives from the political parties will comment, and lay out their party positions.* Richard Stallman "The Dangers of Software Patents" Friday 21 May, 6pm Cruciform Building, Lecture Theatre #1, University College London, Gower Street. The event is free, and all are welcome. Nearest tubes are: Euston Square (Circle line, Metropolitan line) Warren Street (Victoria line, Northern line) Map: http://www.bcsb.lon.ac.uk/map_mainsiteb&wcrucihighlighted.jpg * Green party, Lib Dems, and UKIP representatives now confirmed. Labour and Conservative participation pending. Organised by the Foundation for Information Policy Research (FIPR), in association with the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure (FFII). ------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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"5 years of ALUG" meeting report
by Syd Hancock 20 May '04

20 May '04

Brief report and photos of this meeting now on the website: http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2004/05-02Sun-report.html Syd

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Knoppix AFU for hams
by Nick Daniels 18 May '04

18 May '04

Hi Someone has kindly downloaded a Knoppix CD for radio hams for me. http://www.afu-knoppix.de/ if anybody would like a copy could they please contact me off list. Can I install this to hard disc? I have come across a vague reference to KNX HDINSTALL Regards Nick Daniels

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