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ALUG 5th Birthday Meeting - 2pm sunday 2nd May, Norwich
by Syd Hancock 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

ALUG will be five on the 2nd May 2004! To mark the occasion a 'special' sunday afternoon get-together will take place at 2pm that day at the 'City Gate', Dereham Road. As well as being spacious and comfortable, the City Gate also do a wide range of food in a restaurant area (i.e it should be a cut above usual 'pub grub') so there is the possibility of having a meal as well - I'll leave that for discussion. Full address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm === directions etc === The City Gate pub is just off the inner ring road at the junction of Grapes Hill and Barn Road. Dereham Road is the A1074 - take the Costessey junction on the A47 if coming from west of Norwich. Otherwise, when going clockwise around the inner ring road, Dereham road is the left turn at the traffic lights at the bottom of Grapes Hill (but see parking info below). There is a very large Cane Furniture shop on the corner and this is probably the best landmark from either direction. The pub, which has a large glass frontage (see link to picture above), is next to the cane furniture shop. There is ample parking nearby, including possible free parking on the forecourt of a wine warehouse next to the pub or on side roads off Dereham Road. There is also Pay-and-Display parking on the other side of the ring road off St Swithin's road. Coming down Grapes Hill turn right at the lights (St Benedict's Street) and then left into the entrance to the car park which is behind Toys-R-Us. Syd

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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LinuxUser & Developer Expo 2004
by Wayne Stallwood 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Is anybody going to this ? I wanted to go but I fear I am too busy on the 20th-21st to make it

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Warning to SuSE 9.0 users
by Wayne Stallwood 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Over the last couple of days YOU has popped up with a update recommendation to kernel 2.4.21-202. I did this about two hours ago and I have only just got my machine back. As usual (same as all the other times I have let YOU update the kernel) I simply let YaST get on with downloading and installing the kernel. Reboot when it's finished and then reinstall my Nvidia drivers if X won't start. But this time the kernel would fail to uncompress at the start of the boot, now I know that YOU verifies packages for corruption before installing them so I guessed that SuSE had released a borked kernel or something was upsetting the boot loader (in my case Lilo) After mucking about in a recovery boot (and installing the kernel on the original media to get my machine back) I think it may be something to do with me running Lilo rather than what I think is the SuSE default of grub. I have found that if I run the new update and then run lilo as root to get it to reread it's config file then all appears to be fine. So a warning to any SuSE users out there if you use lilo then make sure to run it before rebooting after the update. Gahhh, not the best way to spend a sunny Saturday morning !

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Re: [ALUG] Hi there a small hello from a new member....
by Wayne Stallwood 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 22:45, Anthony Anson wrote: > The place which used to sell motorcycles? Had a beautiful Vincent Black > Shadow there a long time ago. I was a bit short of the £24,000 asking > price though. Erm No, a bit down from that towards the garage on the corner. Old world style TV/Radio repair shop, the sort you often wonder how they are still in business, but then occasionally thank your lucky stars that they still are. The motorcycle shop is still there, been a while since I've seen anything as nice as a Vincent in there though.

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RE: [ALUG] Mandrake 10.0 Official CDs available
by Richard Lewis 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

>If anyone's wondering, Mandrake are only allowing MandrakeClub members to >download the ISOs but everything's under GPL or compatible licenses so yes, I >am allowed to distribute them. Paying your subs to the 'Club will make you a >better, happier, healthier, and more attractive person though. I've been wondering about this; will MDK10.0 OE *ever* be available for public download? Or is it only going to be the CE's from now on? (I couldn't find out from MDK's website). Cheers, Richard

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Here's a Perl of a problem
by bjsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

I have a Perl script, wot I wrote (I'm no Perl expert), which I have been using successfully for some time. One part of it downloads a log in 'resume' mode i.e it downloads only the new part and appends it to the existing log. Just recently it has downloaded the new part of the log but it then overwrites the existing file with just the new bit although the script has not been changed??? The relevant parts of the script are shown below. I'm running Debian Sarge/Testing. Perls of wisdom appreciated. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain P.S. To anyone who read about my previous FTP problem - a router firmware upgrade cured the problem. ============================================================================== my $ftp = Net::FTP->new("mydomain.com", Passive => 1, Debug => 0); $ftp->login( $user,$password) or die "Login failed - ", $ftp->message; $ftp->cwd("/var/log/httpd") or die "Unable to change remote directory - ",$ftp->message; chdir "/home/user/RawLogs"; my $filesize = 0; # Get size of current log. $filesize = ( -s "access_log" ); my $remotesize = 0; # Get size of remote log. $remotesize = $ftp->size("access_log"); # Download current log. # Don't transfer the first $filesize bytes (append to existing file). $ftp->get( "access_log", "access_log", $filesize ); print "Disconnecting from remote system\n"; $ftp->quit;

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Free conference places for UK LUGs at LUDEX Conference
by Alasdair G Kergon 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

Once again Linux User & Developer is making a last-minute offer to each UK LUG of upto 2 free places for the conference at the show in London next Tuesday 20th & Wednesday 21st April. http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/expo/index.php?option=content&task=section&id=7&… But you need to respond by 12.30pm, Friday 16th April. To request a place, please supply Name Contact email address LUG name to emma.selby(a)livepublishing.co.uk Alasdair -- agk(a)lug.org.uk

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Mandrake 10.0 Official CDs available
by Joe Button 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

Hi. I've started downloading Mandrake 10 Official so if anyone would like CDs burnt let me know. I'll be away for a few days from tomorrow though so it'll be a little while before I can actually supply the goods. You'll need to either collect them from me in Norwich or I might be able to bring them to the next Norwich meeting (May 13th?) but I can't say for definite. If anyone's wondering, Mandrake are only allowing MandrakeClub members to download the ISOs but everything's under GPL or compatible licenses so yes, I am allowed to distribute them. Paying your subs to the 'Club will make you a better, happier, healthier, and more attractive person though. Joe x

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Someone make me a CD?
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

Hi Folks, I'm wondering if someone with a fast net connection (and a bit of time to spare) would be willing to make me a CD (or two) of the contents of a website. The site in question is http://www.stats.bris.ac.uk/R/ and I want everything inside this -- i.e. everything with a URL that begins as above (there are some links that point outside this, i.e. don't begin as above, but I don't need those). I'm willing to pay a few quid for the service, or provide goodies to equivalent value ... With thanks in advance, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Apr-04 Time: 22:25:14 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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FTP problem - update
by bjsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

I have updated the firmware in my router and I can now do FTP uploads from my laptop but still not from my desktop. My laptop is running Debian Stable but my desktop runs Debian Testing/Sarge. This problem now appears to be Debian Testing related although I can't find out what is causing it. Any more ideas anyone - please! Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Planet ALUG
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Hi all, I'm setting up a simple aggregator for ALUG members' blogs (side effect of some other work I was doing), similar to planet.debian.net etc. I hope to make it public on Wednesday or Thursday. If you have a blog and would like to appear on the page, please email me the URL of its RSS, or speak to me on IRC if you find me (irc.alug.org.uk #alug tonight, for example). -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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RE: Norwich meetings
by y0204919 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

I could book a room at UEA for 1st or 2nd, if that helps. Eli

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Adding to kdm "Session Type" list
by Ian Douglas 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

I have just installed IceWM on my system and like it. I can run IceWM ok if I make /etc/X11/xinitrc a symbolic link to xinitrc.icewm and use startx however I would prefer to run kdm and have IceWM appear in the "Session Type" list on the kdm login screen. Does anyone know how to add IceWM to this "Session Type" list? Thanks, Ian.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [ALUG] Freeserve Problems
by johnseago 11 Apr '04

11 Apr '04

On Friday 02 Apr 2004 11:22 pm, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > They have been doing that for a while now, I stopped all the problems I > had using freeserve as an isp by not using them :) I've decided to do the same, any opinions on who to go with? Clara seems to be one of the best of a very bad lot. -- John Seago

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FireWire Disk's
by Vasko Tomanov 08 Apr '04

08 Apr '04

Hi All, Do someone have experiance How To setup a : http://www.miglia.com/products/storage/mediabank_hsr/index.html on a Linux box ? Cheers Vasko

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Norwich evening meeting: 8th April 2004
by Syd Hancock 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

(Ignore previous message - wrong date in the subject line. Definitely time for a holiday...) --------------- The monthly Norwich 'second thursday' evening social meet will take place this week, 8th April from 8 pm at the City Gate, Dereham Road. Full address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm If you have not attended one of these meets before, they are informal and unstructured and general chat covers many topics as well as the obvious linux-related stuff. There may or may not be a penguin on the table :-) === directions etc === The City Gate pub is just off the inner ring road at the junction of Grapes Hill and Barn Road. Dereham Road is the A1074 - take the Costessey junction on the A47 if coming from west of Norwich. Otherwise, when going clockwise around the inner ring road, Dereham road is the left turn at the traffic lights at the bottom of Grapes Hill (but see parking info below). There is a very large Cane Furniture shop on the corner and this is probably the best landmark from either direction. The pub, which has a large glass frontage (see link to picture above), is next to the cane furniture shop. There is ample parking nearby, including possible free parking on the forecourt of a wine warehouse next to the pub or on side roads off Dereham Road. There is also Pay-and-Display parking ( £1.40 for the evening) on the other side of the ring road off St Swithin's road. Coming down Grapes Hill turn right at the lights (St Benedict's Street) and then left into the entrance to the car park which is behind Toys-R-Us. Syd

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[Alug Announce]Norwich meetings
by MJ Ray 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- ALUG: ---- 1. Syd followed up with opinion poll results and asked for more help deciding on the May meeting http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-April/018298.html 2. Norwich evening meeting on 8th April, see http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-April/018329.html 3. Discussion of sharing hard drives and audio capture at http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-April/018257.html 4. More on the City College "phantom courses" saga at http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-April/018258.html 5. Discussion of DVD-R-related things at http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-April/018262.html 6. Mixed reaction to ESR's latest rant at http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-April/018295.html Elsewhere: --------- 1. Europe-wide "net strike" against software patents, UK focus on Wed 12 May http://swpat.ffii.org/events/2004/demo05/ 2. LUDEx at Olympia, London, 20-21 April http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk/ Finally: ------- Please keep notices, announcements and suggestions coming to announce(a)alug.org.uk! (...and no, no April Fools summary...) -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Re: Re: [ALUG] Norwich evening meeting: 8th April 2004
by syd＠toufol.com 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

= > > > The monthly Norwich 'second thursday' evening social meet will take > > > place this week, 8th April from 8 pm at the City Gate, > > > Dereham Road. Like Ian and Graham, I will not be there this month either - currently in Brittany. Have fun :-) Syd

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ISDN
by Stuart Hammond 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

Can any one recomend a good 128K linux compatible PCI ISDN adapter? i know there is issuses with normal modems, is this the same with ISDN or are they all the same and just work? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

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Next Norwich week-end meeting - new proposal
by Syd Hancock 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

Short version: Not a lot of interest expressed even from the regulars, although that does not necessarily mean that no-one is interested :-0 BUT... is it worth spending money on hiring a room if few people are likely to be there? If we cannot get a free room at UEA for an ALUG 5th Birthday Bash, how about meeting up at the City Gate instead, maybe for meal during or afterwards, first w/e in May? ---------------------------------- Long Version: Recently I asked for feedback on when the next Norwich w/e meeting should be held because the planned meeting is a week before ALUG's fifth anniversary and a few people had suggested that this should be marked. I have had three responses. Two preferred the first w/e in May (the 'birthday' w/e but also a bank holiday w/e) and one had no preference. So call it three for May. Two preferred the idea of a saturday meeting at UEA if it could be arranged and one preferred a sunday meeting. In retrospect my 'survey' should have distinguished between 'saturday' preference and 'UEA' preference. I suspect people were choosing UEA rather than 'saturday'. I have no way of knowing if the other people who often come to w/e meetings but did not respond have no preference or are simply uninterested :-) ------- Anyway, the preference from the tiny and possibly-unrepresentative sample is for a saturday meeting at the UEA on the first w/e in May i.e. May 1st. If a free room can be booked at UEA then this can go ahead. Otherwise... well, it may be a bit of a problem. I will not be in Norwich that w/e but I can change the Billy Bluelight booking. I don't have time to search for an alternative. I'm concerned that very few people will turn up again and it is an expensive place if very few people attend. Maybe an alternative, if a booking at UEA does not happen, would be to have a saturday or sunday birthday meet at the City Gate instead on May 1st or 2nd? Maybe meet up for a meal? OK, so it's not a place to take kit but is that so important this time? That actually sounds like more fun to me than the Billy Bluelight or even UEA. I'll be sorry to miss it. If it works we can do it more often and keep a room-booked meeting for when there really is some activity worth booking a room for, such as a talk, demo etc. And there is always Syleham which is a great place for kit-bringing meetings: tables, chairs, beer, tea and coffee plus it's warm, inviting and (dah-dah!) free as well. So - what do you say??? City Gate on the Bank Holiday w/e in May? ------------- The other thing is that I will be away for the next couple of weeks and really want to get this settled asap. I will (fingers crossed and keep the string pulled tight) have email though. Finally, I think we have to question if the old-style unplanned bring-kit meetings are really fulfilling a need, at least in Norwich now there are regular monthly evening meets for face-to-face contacts. Most people seem to get the general tech support they need via the list. Just a thought Syd

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Re: [ALUG] NTP between local PCs
by Edenyard 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

Steve Fosdick wrote: > Do you have something like this in the ntp.conf on each machine? > > # ... and use the local system clock as a reference if all else fails > server 127.127.1.0 > fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 > > If so I am guessing that the secondary PC is refusing to sync to a > server that appears to be in the same stratum as itself, i.e. 10. > You could change the PC you want to use as the master to stratum 9 > and see if that solves it. Thanks for your clues, Steve. I do have those lines in /etc/ntp.conf. I tried using ntpq to look at the debugging info (as per the HTML docs) and it seemed to be saying that the the reason for failure was due to the main PC being too high a stratum at stratum=15, despite those lines in the config file. Also the 'flash' variable was reading 20, which, when decoded using another of the docs, merely said "wind the clock up"....!! Is this going to be another CUPS horror-story? Cheers, Gerald.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Norwich evening meeting: 11th March 2004
by Syd Hancock 05 Apr '04

05 Apr '04

(Notice sent out on saturday but not posted for some reason) --------------- The monthly Norwich 'second thursday' evening social meet will take place this week, 8th April from 8 pm at the City Gate, Dereham Road. Full address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm If you have not attended one of these meets before, they are informal and unstructured and general chat covers many topics as well as the obvious linux-related stuff. There may or may not be a penguin on the table :-) === directions etc === The City Gate pub is just off the inner ring road at the junction of Grapes Hill and Barn Road. Dereham Road is the A1074 - take the Costessey junction on the A47 if coming from west of Norwich. Otherwise, when going clockwise around the inner ring road, Dereham road is the left turn at the traffic lights at the bottom of Grapes Hill (but see parking info below). There is a very large Cane Furniture shop on the corner and this is probably the best landmark from either direction. The pub, which has a large glass frontage (see link to picture above), is next to the cane furniture shop. There is ample parking nearby, including possible free parking on the forecourt of a wine warehouse next to the pub or on side roads off Dereham Road. There is also Pay-and-Display parking ( £1.40 for the evening) on the other side of the ring road off St Swithin's road. Coming down Grapes Hill turn right at the lights (St Benedict's Street) and then left into the entrance to the car park which is behind Toys-R-Us. Syd

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