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Re: my recent mozilla query
by Chris Green 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

If you remember yesterday (I think) I asked about what 'about:' URLs were available in mozilla. Well the latest version of mozilla (1.6) has 'about:about' which lists them all for you - they must have heard me! :-) -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Server side (CGI, perl, etc.) photo album application
by Chris Green 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Can anyone recommend a CGI (or other) server side application for managing images (and possibly text documents)? What I want is a very simple way to be able to navigate a hierarchy of directories with photos in them without having to (re)write HTML whenever pictures are added or moved around. The directory hierarchy will provide all the indexing I want. E.G. I want a directory hierachy on my web server with the top level directory called, say, "pictures". I will then create subdirectories under "pictures" such as "dogs", "horses", "housesInFrance", etc. I want the server side script to enable me to navigate the directories easily, so when I go to http://www.my.server/pictures I would expect to automatically see a link to "dogs", and if I navigto "dogs" I want to see the pictures that are in that directory. Thinking about it I doubt if this can be done dynamically but a script to autogenerate all the required linking HTML would be OK, it can be run whenever the picture hierarchy is changed. I suppose even more wonderful would be a way to 'drop' images and such onto a web page and they will be FTPed up to the server and added to the phot album - however that does seem a little too good to be true. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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problem with command line arguments
by Vasko Tomanov 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

1. The code lives in a library 2. The library that it lives in does not include the main() function because that will be in the users code. 3. The users code in this case is wxWindows based and so the main() function isn't actually written by the user anyway, but this is a side-issue and I don't want the library to assume that the user is wxWindows-based 4. There is no main() function available for the user to customize. This means that there is no main() function, so how can the user store the argv[] somewhere? 6. But I need to have available for my part of code all the command line arguments Some Ideas ?

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Re: [ALUG] SuSE Update
by Wayne Stallwood 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

On Thursday 15 January 2004 10:28, Graham Trott wrote: > Ah, it must be that I have my system set for daily auto update, so I > already have it. On this system uname -a is reporting > > Linux main 2.4.21-166-athlon #1 Thu Dec 18 18:24:05 UTC 2003 i686 athlon > i386 GNU/Linux > > which is some way beyond the 144 you were offered. > > -- GT Ok thanks to those kind souls who responded I have solved this problem. It would appear that YaST had gotten itself all confused, the clue was why was my system trying to download a older kernel version than the one that is currently available. Surely it didn't need to install the patches incrementally when it looks like the patch is the whole kernel ? Then I noticed that the progress bar was going up to 14% downloaded very quickly and then I was getting the error. It turns out that had been halfway though downloading 144 when it was interrupted somehow, when it was trying to resume the download it was failing (for whatever reason). So by using lsof to find out where YaST hides it's download cache I was able to delete the partially downloaded kernel and then bingo on the next try YaST offered 166. New problem became obvious though, Why does my system report linux 2.4.21-166-default #1 Thu Dec 18 18:23:14 UTC 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/ Linux Yet YaST said it was downloading the Athlon kernel, it's been saying default ever since I upgraded from 8.0 (which admittedly was running a kernel I had recompiled)

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USB Camera
by James Green 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Hi all, I was given a USB camera for Christmas. It is not supported by the latest gphoto2, however a not dissimliar sounding model is. I cannot get gphoto2 to recognise the camera, although 'lsusb' sees it, as for 'usbview' as a "Trust 715 LCD Powerc@m Zoom". This thing can be treated as a removable USB Mass Storage Device. Yet I cannot even mount. cdrecord --scanbus lists it as: scsibus2: 2,0,0 200) 'Trust ' '715 LCD POWERC@M' '1.00' Removable Disk Could someone lend me some clue as to how to at least mount the camera as a disk drive so I can get the photos on it? I might poke the gphoto2 folkes about experimenting with drivers too. Thanks, James

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FW: [Sheflug] The Economics of Open Source Software - Prospects,
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

This just arrived from Shef-lug. I probably won't be able to go along to it (unfortunately -- it would be interesting to observe the audience). However, maybe someone might manage it ... I was going to froward it to Clug too, but can't find their address for the moment ... Cheers, Ted. -----FW: <20040114220107.GA1354(a)lagodelbonso.demon.co.uk>----- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:01:07 +0000 Sender: shef-lug-admin(a)list.sheflug.org.uk From: Simon Brown <simon(a)cliffestones.demon.co.uk> To: "shef-lug(a)list.sheflug.org.uk" <shef-lug(a)list.sheflug.org.uk> Subject: [Sheflug] The Economics of Open Source Software - Prospects, Pitfalls and Politics [tbm(a)cyrius.com] >From debian-uk, food for thought? > MICROSOFT RESEARCH LECTURE > This is a PUBLIC lecture > ________________________________ > > TITLE: The Economics of Open Source Software - Prospects, Pitfalls and > Politics > SPEAKER: Dr Stefan Kooths > INSTITUTION: University of Muenster > HOST: Alexander Braendle, University Relations > DATE: 15 January 2004 > TIME: 13:30 - 14:30 > MEETING ROOM: Lecture Theatre > ADDRESS: Microsoft Research Ltd, 7 J J Thomson Avenue (Off Madingley > Road), Cambridge > > Open Source Software does not represent a suitable alternative to the > commercial software market from an economic point of view, neither in > terms of creating value-added nor in terms of economic efficiency. OSS > does not create any new value-added potential, and offers only a > fraction of the opportunities of the commercial market. The impact of > OSS on sales and employment are therefore less than the effects of > commercial software. Furthermore the de facto free availability of > GPL-licensed software, and hence the lack of a market price, have > far-reaching economic consequences that are elaborated in the > presentation. As far as packaged software is concerned its free > availability very much limits the creation of profits, income, jobs or > taxes. The loss of turnover in the area of software sales cannot be > fully recovered with services linked to the software. So-called > complementary OSS-business models work in the smaller customized > software sector only. The incomes earned there are substitutive and not > additional to those created in the commercial software sector. The lack > of cost-reflecting prices for GPL-licensed standard software also has > consequences for the market process as the pricing mechanism is > associated with an important information and coordination function in a > market economy. If there is no price, and hence no decisive guide figure > for a market, it is, for example, more difficult to identify customer > requirements. Further problems can be identified when it comes to the > allocation of resources, productivity-oriented factor compensation and > incentives for innovations. The lower value-added potential and the > reduced efficiency of coordination are weighty economic arguments. They > demonstrate quite clearly that the promotion of open-source software > cannot be an economically justifiable role for the state. ___________________________________________________________________ Sheffield Linux User's Group - http://www.sheflug.co.uk/mailfaq.html GNU the choice of a complete generation. --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Jan-04 Time: 23:44:11 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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SuSE Update
by Wayne Stallwood 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Is anybody else running SuSE 9.0 here ? When I try to get the kernel bug fix update from YOU, using any of the selectable sources I get the following error ERROR(You:RPM has invalid signature.) All of the other updates go on fine, only the Kernel package. Is there something wrong with the kernel package at SuSE, or has my system somehow obtained an invalid signature that it is comparing the Kernel package to ?

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I managed to delete half my operation system yesterday
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

I managed to accidentally delete a lot of my operation system yesterday. Having restored it from my backups some minor problems have come to light. I use a combination of 'Find' and 'Afio' but have realised that Find does not pass empty directories to Afio thus causing some software to fail until the directories are recreated e.g. apache and /etc/apache/conf.d. Is there any way I can get Find to include empty directories as well as all others? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Cocked up telephone DDOS?
by Keith Watson 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Here's one that'll make you smile. I can't be to specific because of commercial confidentially issues. We recieved a number of support calls yesterday from private users. They had been complaining to BT about charges incurred when their computers repeatedly dialed the access number of an ISP that they didn't use (in fact most of them didn't know it was an ISP number). BT in their usual cock-eyed way had spotted that we are a customer of this ISP and told the users that it was a number assigned to our business. It wasn't, in fact it was nothing to do with us. We told the users to check for viruses. However the circumstances made us suspicious that some script kiddy somewhere was trying a sort of telephonic DDOS against the ISP. The killer is that the number used was an 0845 number. :o) Keith

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Announce digest, Vol 3 #1 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Meeting: King's Lynn, 14 Jan (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:41:10 +0000 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Cc: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, peterboro(a)mailman.lug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce]Meeting: King's Lynn, 14 Jan Hello all, The next ALUG meeting is booked in King's Lynn on Wednesday 14 January at 7pm. The venue has changed to the Queen's Arms, which should have better beer (Elgood's) and be easier to find (on the biggest road into town and nearer the trains). This meeting's theme is "new year, new people" so I hope to see people from the last two meetings again, as well as any others nearby who we've not yet met. It's quite easy to get to from Hunstanton, Fakenham, Spalding, P'boro, Cambridge/Ely/Downham and Norwich/Dereham/Swaffham (bus or can we beg Brett?). Details and linked directions on http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-13plusWed.html So, who will we see there for sure? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [ALUG] Criticising other groups
by Syd Hancock 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

So, has the author come out of the shadows yet? Even if only to admit it in private? Presumably we have access logs that can show information about who was accessing the site at the time(s) it was edited? Clearly it won't give names but ISP, site referral etc, would be interesting to know. IIUIC, anyone can add/edit the ALUG wiki pages, including people who are not ALUG members - is this correct? If so, I suggest that we review this whole policy. At the very least I would suggest a policy whereby anonymous pages are removed. Syd

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Copying files with a specific extension
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

I have a /var/www directory which is a local copy of my web site. I want to copy only the .html files together with any sub-directories that contain .html files (retaining the directory structure), together with their files, into another directory. I've tried various incantations involving 'find' and can only succeed in copying files from the base directory. If someone can suggest a way to do this it would be very much appreciated. I really can't afford to lose much more hair. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Re: Linux Motherboard Recommendations.
by Jenny Hopkins 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

Wayne Stallwood wrote: >I supplied some Linux friendly machines a little while ago, everything was >easy to get working in Debian stable with the exception of the SATA interface >(which we weren't using). I'll try and dig up the spec from the office. As it was myself that installed these machines I can vouch for that - everything was detected beautifully during the install. It was an AOpen motherboard, can't seem to locate the manual though. The previous computer I got was a disaster: an Asus A7N266 board that I have to rebuild nvidia drivers for everytime I do anything to the kernel. Jenny ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________

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Linux Motherboard Recommendations.
by Ben Norcutt 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

Hi guys, What are you recommendations on rock solid motherboard/cpu combos for linux? Thinking for server type setups onboard everything is ok as long as it's supported. Cheers, Ben --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 02/01/2004

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Intel,IBM backing new fund to defend linux users
by Jenny Hopkins 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=4114385 ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________

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c compiler - command not found
by Bryce Martin 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi, I am trying to compile a very simple C program but the commands I use are not working. eg $ gcc firstCProgram.c or $ cc firstCProgram.c bash: command gcc/cc not found I seem to have some sort of c compiler on my system in the directory /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.1/cc1 Am I right in thinking this is a c compiler that I can use to compile my C programs? If yes, then how can I set the path so that it will work from the command line whenever I want to compile? I'm using SuSE 9.0. If this is not a C compiler after all, please tell me so and I'll install one. Regards, -- Bye, Bryce.

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Criticising other groups
by MJ Ray 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Would the author of http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?ComparisonInEastAnglia like to at least add their name to the page, please? I'd like it if someone could verify the claims about NPCUG and add other groups. I suspect the jibe under "piracy" is grossly unfair. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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CD Copying, thanks, also Lexmark X85
by Nick Daniels 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

On Saturday 10th Jan 2004 Syd Hancock wrote: > Problem, with all CD programs i have tried, on her machine , I > can create CDs, blank CD rewrites but I cannot copy CDs > On K3b I get message "try generic-mmc" but I see from the > debugging output it has already tried generic-mmc > CD rewriter, RICOH MP7163A >Apologies if this is stating the obvious but have you explicitly set >generic-mmc as the cdrdao driver in the Options -> Devices >section? And checked that cdrdao is being recognised in the >Programs section? Many thanks all , I now have a cdrewriter working for her under Gnome CD master, using generic -mmc , for some reason, ( or maybe me) it did not seem to work under K3b Only problem now is hopefully getting her Lexmark X85 USB printer /photocopier working! - Suse 8.2 pro Kind Regards Nick Daniels

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City College Norwich Unix (Linux) course
by adam＠thebowery.co.uk 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi all, Just read about these City College Norwich courses on page 16 of todays EDP, "New courses designed to help you get the most out of your computer" "Computer Systems Software Using UNIX (LINUX) operating system" "30 hour courses, Monday evenings or Saturday mornings, starting in February. These are North Anglia IT (NAIT) courses all at level 2." "To find out more call us now on 01603 773109" The advert also mentiosn 2 other courses including "specifying and setting up a stand alone computer system" and "computer hardware". Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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Distro Copying
by Nick Heppleston 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

List, Appreciate some advice. I've been asked to install a copy of SuSE and provide the necessary set-up of networking, Samba etc. I'll be doing this work in a contracting basis and was looking at installing the software and providing him with a copy of SuSE on a set of blank CDs so he has the original installation set. Question - can I burn a copy of the SuSE Linux Professional 8.2 CD set and give it to him, or will he need to purchase a copy of the software himself to be licenced? I will be paid to install and setup the box, but will make no money from the actual software itself. There appears to be no guidance on this matter on the distro box packaging. Any help/guidance on this matter appreciated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Heppleston 07989 581766 | nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk

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groff tutorial and problems
by MJ Ray 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Does anyone know a good groff beginners tutorial, preferably including ms macros, that is online in simple html? The main groff distribution site at http://groff.ffii.org/ doesn't seem to link to one. Two particular problems: How to type pound signs? I use utf8, but pound signs don't come out, even with -Tutf8. Why do tabbed lines make -Thtml output a new tr before each tabbed cell? Also, can I get xhtml output? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Modems
by Richard Lewis 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

The CD drive I was talking about the other day was in a computer I'm trying to help my friend set up. I convinced him to have Linux on it; which is great. The machine hasn't got a modem so we need to get one. Presumably its best to try and get a hardware modem but we don't want to spend more than GBP 30. I've looked at linmodems.org and they list a whole load of fully hardware modems but most of their links are to manufacturer sites (i.e. sites which don't sell the products) or to US distributors. The most likely chipsets seem to be Lucent's Venus chipset or a chipet called "Kermit" used by US Robotics/3COM products. I've tried searching for some of the more likely candidates on maplin.co.uk and dabs.com but they only seem to stock a couple of devices. So, does anyone know where I may be able to get an internal (preferably PCI) hardware modem which will work on Linux without too much difficulty? Cheers, Richard

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Re: ISOLINUX
by Richard Lewis 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

>On 2004-01-07 22:42:45 +0000 x0151262 <Richard.Lewis(a)uea.ac.uk> wrote: >> "ISOLINUX 2.00 2002-10-25 isolinux: Loading spec packet failed, >> trying to >> wing it... >> isolinux: Failed to locate CD-ROM device: boot failed" > Any idea what the CD drive is on that? Is it IDE? Might be time for > boot floppies :-/ I tried using some MDK9.2 discs and it turns out that you can use disc 2 (of the d'load edition) as 'safe boot' disc. I did that and the installation system booted fine! I don't know what this 'safe boot' method is but it did the trick. Cheers, Richard

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Meeting: King's Lynn, 14 Jan
by MJ Ray 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Hello all, The next ALUG meeting is booked in King's Lynn on Wednesday 14 January at 7pm. The venue has changed to the Queen's Arms, which should have better beer (Elgood's) and be easier to find (on the biggest road into town and nearer the trains). This meeting's theme is "new year, new people" so I hope to see people from the last two meetings again, as well as any others nearby who we've not yet met. It's quite easy to get to from Hunstanton, Fakenham, Spalding, P'boro, Cambridge/Ely/Downham and Norwich/Dereham/Swaffham (bus or can we beg Brett?). Details and linked directions on http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-13plusWed.html So, who will we see there for sure? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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