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Happy Christmas ALUGers!
by Nick Heppleston 25 Dec '03

25 Dec '03

Just wanted to wish everybody Happy Christmas, as it is officially the 25th. Hope you all get suitably stuffed tomorrow and have a great time whatever you are doing. Nick -- Nick Heppleston 07989 581766 | nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk

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Debian sarge
by Richard Lewis 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

Hello List, Whats going on at the Debian project? Linux Format, in their January issue (p. 9), under the headline "Debian Woody reaches for the skies...", report that, "the 'stable' version of Debian Woody is nearing with the launch of a second release candidate", while Linux Magazine, in their January issue (p. 88), talking about the bugginess of the debian-installer, say that, "this would not have been a big problem, if the Release Manager, Anthony Towns, had not set December 1 as the release date for Debian GNU/Linux Sarge", and while packages.debian.org continues to be out of operation and the debian.org front page makes no mention of sarge going stable. Any ideas? Cheers, Richard

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Linux Kernel 2.6.0
by Craig 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

Just went and installed this on my machine at work yesterday.. seems fine so far =D Ah.. this just reminds me of the days of 2.4 kernel. Except that I was testing the release candidate using Alan Cox's mad patch set which often froze my PII 233 box sometimes. Now I feel old...... C

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Has anybody got SuSE 9.0
by Wayne Stallwood 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

If so can they zip me across some cd's (for a fair fee) I need to see if the problem with installing 8.2 on Nehemiah based MiniITX boards has been resolved in 9. For those that may be thinking about installing SuSE (or is it SUSE now, I'm confused) on a MiniITX board, there is an issue with the Nehemiah chip, cpuid says it is a i686 compat, but it does not support the cmpxchg8b opcode, gcc assumes that anything above i486 can handle cmpxchg8b. End result is that suse 8.2's kernel (compiled for i586) will not run. Gahhhhhh I blame gcc as the IA32 documentation states that you should check before doing conditional moves,and that cmov implementation in the processor is optional. If anybody has a set they can copy for me (or lend if they don't have a burner) then it will be most appreciated. After a mail discussion between a few ALUG'ers (including myself) and a representative from SuSE (SUSE) it was confirmed that this was allowed (and even possibly encouraged) by SuSE within User groups (they even sent me some 8.2 media which I have sent to some ALUGers.) Failing that, if anyone has installed SuSE 9.0 on a Via M10000 without resorting to the install on another machine, recompile kernel and swap drive dance required with 8.2, can you let me know. Regards Wayne

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Asking Open Source hackers to develop for dollars?
by Keith Watson 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

So is this total sacrilege? or is that an over-reaction? Personally I can see anything wrong with this, what do you think? <http://www.open-mag.com/1125339824.shtml> Keith

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Description of 2.6 kernel features
by Syd Hancock 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Detailed description of 2.6 kernel features: http://kniggit.net/wwol26.html A lot has changed! Syd

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Announce digest, Vol 2 #29 - 3 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Web site changes (MJ Ray) 2. Support Free Software with buying books (fwd) (MJ Ray) 3. [ALUG] Re: Schools using open source software (nick daniels) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:58:27 +0000 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce]Web site changes The web site is at http://www.alug.org.uk/ and now has: # Jobs listing linked to meeting areas # Meeting details for 2004 (Norwich, Syleham, K.Lynn in Jan and Feb. More Norwich entries to come.) # Venue listing: new map and pages for each local area. # Stuman sneakily asking for a job in the contrib area's member's directory # Dave Briggs moves his blog # Visitors from HUDLUG and France sign the visitor book -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:12:40 +0000 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce]Support Free Software with buying books (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-12-17 11:20:50 +0000 From: Thorsten Ehlers <thorsten(a)freiheit.com> Subject: Support Free Software with buying books Hi, a little more than a month ago we have launched our very own online-bookshop Bookzilla.de as a partner of Libri.de (a books distributor). The system runs on machines with Debian GNU/Linux. We receive a commission of 5% on every article, which we donate 100% to the Free Software Foundation Europe <http://www.fsfeurope.org/>. So if you are planning to buy some books, CDs or DVDs, you may want to consider doing so at <http://www.bookzilla.de/>. Best regards, Stefan Richter and Thorsten Ehlers on behalf of the Bookzilla.de-team --__--__-- Message: 3 From: nick daniels <nick(a)danielsn.freeserve.co.uk> To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:10:16 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce][ALUG] Re: Schools using open source software Hi I received this email from Herts LUG and thought it worth posting I have asked permission If i could foward it and was told , foward away Regards Nick Daniels On Wednesday 17 December 2003 15:44, tony.tibbenham(a)sonoco.com wrote: > All, > > Given the enthusiasm in LUG's for getting Linux into schools I thought the > attached message was worth broadcasting. Please respond directly to Jon > Hunt > > (forwarded with the permission of Jon Hunt. Originally received via MK LUG > mailing list) > > -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Jonathon Hunt <jon.hunt(a)becta.org.uk> > Subject: Schools using open source software > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:24 +0000 > > Dear sir/madam, > > My name is Jon Hunt and I work for Becta's Independent Procurement > Advisory Service (Ipas). We are currently conducting a number of total > cost of ownership studies of ICT in educational institutions, and are > keen to extend these to include schools using open source software. > > I am currently pulling together a list of schools in England that are > using open source software, based on desk research, using sources such > as http://www.schoolforge.org.uk, http://casestudy.seul.org and the > suse-linux-uk-schools list archives. > > I would be interested to hear of any particularly notable case studies > you know about? I would be very grateful for any information or advice > you could provide. > > Becta, the British Educational Communications & Technology Agency, is > the Government's lead agency for ICT in education. > > Many thanks, > > Jon Hunt > IPAS - Independent Procurement Advisory Service, Becta > Tel: +44 (0)24 7684 7190 > http://ipas.ngfl.gov.uk http://www.becta.org.uk > > -- My thoughts -- > This is a chance to get education advisors to recognise the benefits of > Linux. Becta's web site includes such gems as "Microsoft Licencing > Negotiations" which is interesting reading. > > So, a chance for all those schools and colleges who have used GNU/Linux to > detail the benefits they have received and answer the question "is Linux > cheaper for education". > > If nothing else offering real competition may encourage existing suppliers > to keep their licencing fees low. > > Anyone got some good stories to tell? _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Openoffice in Libraries - for copying!
by Dave Briggs 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34593.html Rather ingenious - borrow a software CD from the library - for the *purpose* of copying it! Dave

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Re: Schools using open source software
by nick daniels 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Hi I received this email from Herts LUG and thought it worth posting I have asked permission If i could foward it and was told , foward away Regards Nick Daniels On Wednesday 17 December 2003 15:44, tony.tibbenham(a)sonoco.com wrote: > All, > > Given the enthusiasm in LUG's for getting Linux into schools I thought the > attached message was worth broadcasting. Please respond directly to Jon > Hunt > > (forwarded with the permission of Jon Hunt. Originally received via MK LUG > mailing list) > > -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Jonathon Hunt <jon.hunt(a)becta.org.uk> > Subject: Schools using open source software > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:47:24 +0000 > > Dear sir/madam, > > My name is Jon Hunt and I work for Becta's Independent Procurement > Advisory Service (Ipas). We are currently conducting a number of total > cost of ownership studies of ICT in educational institutions, and are > keen to extend these to include schools using open source software. > > I am currently pulling together a list of schools in England that are > using open source software, based on desk research, using sources such > as http://www.schoolforge.org.uk, http://casestudy.seul.org and the > suse-linux-uk-schools list archives. > > I would be interested to hear of any particularly notable case studies > you know about? I would be very grateful for any information or advice > you could provide. > > Becta, the British Educational Communications & Technology Agency, is > the Government's lead agency for ICT in education. > > Many thanks, > > Jon Hunt > IPAS - Independent Procurement Advisory Service, Becta > Tel: +44 (0)24 7684 7190 > http://ipas.ngfl.gov.uk http://www.becta.org.uk > > -- My thoughts -- > This is a chance to get education advisors to recognise the benefits of > Linux. Becta's web site includes such gems as "Microsoft Licencing > Negotiations" which is interesting reading. > > So, a chance for all those schools and colleges who have used GNU/Linux to > detail the benefits they have received and answer the question "is Linux > cheaper for education". > > If nothing else offering real competition may encourage existing suppliers > to keep their licencing fees low. > > Anyone got some good stories to tell?

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New member/subscriber
by Chris Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just saw your information posting in the uk.linux newsgroup (at least I think it was there) and thought I'd come and see what you do here. I've been in computing professionally since 1970 so I've seen a few changes over the years! :-) Currently I'm a C/C++/Java programmer with a company in Ipswich. I live at Newbourne out in the sticks (where there's no ADSL). I'm a Unix/Linux junkie, have been since the 1980s. My desktop machine at work is a Sun Solaris box but is soon to be changed to a PC running RedHat. At home I have a Slackware 9.1 'server' machine that runs all the time. It would be good to try and get some face-to-face meetings in Ipswich going again. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Microsoft virus problem - POP3 mailbox - Solved
by barrie james 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>"barrie james" <barriedj(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get just the > message headers from a POP3 >mailbox and then go back separately >and delete > the unwanted mails without actually downloading them all? > Thanks for everyone's input on this. The first suggestion from Ian re configuring KMail with a message size works beautifully and took less than 20 seconds to implement. Checking the mailbox now with KMail, it lists all messages (size, subject, sender) which are over the 9k size limit I've set and asks whether to download, leave, or delete them. This is exactly what I needed - although there were only 8 virus mails today so it's possible they are starting to tail off. Thanks again Barrie _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

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Microsoft virus problem - POP3 mailbox
by barrie james 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After more than 2 years without any kind of Microsoft products I thought viruses were a problem for others. Unfortunately I'm now being hit by one which is causing real problems. The POP3 mailbox on my ISP is getting 20+ mails a day with a virus attachment (W32/Gibe-F FWIW, though this isn't important) This means a 2-3MB daily download just to then delete the majority of the messages, and as I'm on 56k dialup this is an unwelcome and pointless task. I thought it would be a 1 or 2 day effect, but nearly a week on the flow hasn't let up at all. Does anyone know how to get just the message headers from a POP3 mailbox and then go back separately and delete the unwanted mails without actually downloading them all? Alternatively, I'd settle for a straight deletion of all messages without download if this is an option and I can't browse messages/headers first. I've got mutt, pine,and kmail running, but would go for any suitable MTA/MUA if I can achieve the desired effect. Any ideas/suggestions? Thanks Barrie _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

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X crashes under SuSE 9.0
by Julie A 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

Hi all, I'm new to the list. My name is Eric Pierce. I'm having some problems with my new SuSE 9.0 network install. Read on if you have a minute. My network install went fine. However, X will load up and freeze under a minute. I can swirl around the mouse for 10-20 seconds then everything freezes up. I'm unable to jump to other terminals at this point. The kernel, however, is still purring along. I can ssh into the machine. But killing X remotely doesn't give me back any control over said machine. I've tried quite a few things to figure this out, but to no avail. I deleted the XF86Config to get a fresh start and ran Sax2. Sax2 crashes in less than a minute after X is up. I also tried using my working XF86Config file from SuSE 8.2, but that didn't help any (ie., X still froze). I have 2 devices that are getting different IRQ assignments under SuSE 9.0 than what they got under 8.2. 8.2 had: 10: 2 XT-PIC ohci1394, Intel 82801BA-ICH2 11: 30 XT-PIC eth0 9.0 had: 5: 25 XT-PIC eth0, ohci1394 Everything is the same except for these 2 devices grabbing IRQ 5 (they had 10 & 11 under SuSE 8.2). I'm not so sure if this IRQ reassignment under 9.0 is really the problem anyhow. I popped out the firewire card (ohci1394 above) so eth0 could grab IRQ 5 all for itself, but X still dies. I don't see anywhere in BIOS to reassign these particular IRQs. Not knowing exactly what I'm doing, I also tried setpci -s 02:08.8 INTERRUPT_LINE=11 (11 was what SuSE 8.2 put eth0 at). That went in quietly. I also did setpci -s 02:08.8 INTERRUPT_PIN=11 which went in quietly too. I reassigned the firewire card as SuSE8.2 had it as well, but I saw no change when doing 'cat /proc/interrupts'. I don't see any errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log either. A few Warnings, but nothing that looks detrimental. I also tried pci=noacpi at bootup. When I 'dmesg' it suggested that I try this. Still no go. My video card is a NVidia TNT2 32MB / AGP. It more or less worked find with SuSE 8.2. I'm truly stumped on this one. Anyone have any ideas? Anyway, thanks for reading! Eric Pierce __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

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Meeting King's Lynn Wednesday
by MJ Ray 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

There's a meeting with Xmas quiz intended for the Hogshead in King's Lynn on Wednesday (17 Dec) at 7pm. Note that the day has changed from last month. This will probably be the last meeting at the Hogshead for a while. It's within easy walking distance of the bus and train stations and ample free car parking is available nearby. Directions are on the web site, linked from http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting19.html along with a few notes on travel. It's quite easy to get to. New faces particularly welcome. Who's going to be there? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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laptop recommendations
by adam＠thebowery.co.uk 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

Hi all, I am looking for a new laptop and need a few suggestions... What I want is something that doesn't have to be insanely fast, but works with Linux really nicely (and without resorting to non-free drivers). Has perhaps 512MB of ram, 40GB+ disk, half decent gfx that don't use system ram as video ram, 3 year warranty, linux friendly modem, ethernet. Built in working wireless would be nice, but I can always resort to a pcmcia wireless card. Extra points would be awarded for having a long battery life, and either a small form factor with a screen 1024x768 or a large form factor but with an amazing hires screen, keeping the weight down would also be good, and having a nipple and a trackpad would be exemplary. I would also like to avoid having to pay any M$ tax if at all possible but if the supplier doesn't support linux I am not so sure about ditching the windows license entirely for when the thing goes wrong and they won't take it back as "that must be a linux problem". Anyhow, so far I have been looking at Dells factory outlet, as they have 3 year warranty and are unlikely to go bankrupt tomorrow, so at least the warranty is worth something unlike some of the taiwanese OEM crap. I have also looked at Thinkpads on ebay, but they are all either far to expensive or very dodgy looking. Any suggestions? Thanks Adam PS I would like to spend less than a grand, just to make this mission impossible ;) and I did look at Apple laptops and they are either too expensive (powerbooks) or don't have pcmcia slots (iBook) which means they are not linux friendly :( -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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Announce digest, Vol 2 #28 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. [Fsfe-uk] "Software Patents in Europe" IRC meet 6pm Monday (James Heald) 2. LOCAL: GNU/Linux/East Anglia: 17 Dec, 25 Jan, 29 Feb+more tbc (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> To: fsfe-uk <fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:06:21 -0000 Subject: [Alug Announce][Fsfe-uk] "Software Patents in Europe" IRC meet 6pm Monday There's going to be an IRC discussion on "Software Patents in Europe" this Monday at 6pm, to kick off a week of free online events organised by Uninet as part of its 4th international virtual conference on unix: http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2003/english/prog.html All welcome to #linux on the Uninet IRC network, http://www.uninet.edu/uninet/servers.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Brand" Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: Umeet conference on swpats > Hello, > > Uninet Project (http://www.uninet.edu) is announcing its 2003 edition of > the Umeet Conference (http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2003/english/pres.html) > This year, the organizing comittee wants to start the event by a bof session > dedicated to Software Patents in EU. Feel free to join this bof session, > which will take place on Monday, December 15th at 18:00 UTC. Umeet > conferences are given online through the IRC network of Uninet > (http://www.uninet.edu/uninet/servers.html) The bof and conferences will > take place in the #linux channel. > > For those new to IRC, you need an IRC client (such as xchat, chatzilla, > ircII) which has to be told to connect to one of the servers listed on the > previously given web page and you have to join the #linux channel (usually > by issuing a /join #linux command). If you need help or assistance, feel > free to ask. Some web gateways to IRC servers are also available for users > sitting behind restrictive firewalls or networks (http://irc.fr.uninet.edu/ > is one of these gateways). > > gb > > _______________________________________________ > bxl mailing list > (un)subscribe via > http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/bxl and http://aktiv.ffii.org/. If you subscribed via the latter, you can unsubscribe only by going to both. > _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:47:20 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: GNU/Linux/East Anglia: 17 Dec, 25 Jan, 29 Feb+more tbc ALUG meets frequently around East Anglia to discuss and demonstrate GNU/Linux and other free software. The next meetings are: * [7]King's Lynn on Wed 17 Dec 2003: Informal chat and xmas quiz * [8]Norwich on Sun 25 Jan 2005: A talk? * [9]Syleham, mid-Suffolk on Sun 29 Feb 2004: Film screening and software demos * IRC each Monday from 8pm in irc.alug.org.uk #alug * Ely, date tbc If you are interested in coming along, look at the pages mentioned for details and send an email to our discussion list or the meeting organiser. We are also interested in hearing from people who can help make meetings happen again in the Ipswich and North Norfolk areas. Join the mailing list and start organising, or drop us an email privately if you'd rather. Discussion If you want to talk about this, please [13]use the mailing list. * Jump to 1. [15]Join ALUG 2. [16]FAQ 3. [17]Meetings References 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting19.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/01-25Sun.html 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/02-29Sun.html 13. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 15. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 16. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 17. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Norwich evening meet: Thursday 13th November
by Syd Hancock 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

Norwich evening meeting on thursday 13th November at 8pm at the Forum bar. All welcome - put faces to names, gossip, exchange tips, have flame wars, whatever gets you through the night. See you there Syd Other Norwich dates for your diary: Thursday 11th December 8pm at the Forum Sunday 25rd January 2pm at the Billy Bluelight Meetings pages on the ALUG site will be updated soon.

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Apache failure to start
by J 14 Dec '03

14 Dec '03

Rar afternoon of intense heaches trying to work out the solution to this problem: Initial problem: dead, unpingable, unloginable, unviewable box: Theory (due to being able to look at console) Debian UM Linux box crashing, seemingly due to mysql Solution: Restart box via interface.... Box restarts, things come up. Now: Problem: box unpingable, but loginable. ircd and mysql have both started and are being used again, mail is up, but apache is dead: try starting apache (using apachectl) Configtest: all ok Graceful: root@dev:/var/log/apache# apachectl graceful /usr/sbin/apachectl graceful: httpd not running, trying to start [Sun Dec 14 16:07:44 2003] [error] (2)No such file or directory: mod_mime_magic: can't read magic file /etc/apache/share/magic /usr/sbin/apachectl graceful: httpd could not be started looking at error.log: root@dev:/var/log/apache# cat error.log [Sun Dec 14 15:36:00 2003] [error] (2)No such file or directory: mod_mime_magic: can't read magic file /etc/apache/share/magic getpeername: Socket operation on non-socket getsockname: Socket operation on non-socket Error getting local address again, thom steps in saying the mod_mime_magic isnt a problem as that wiill just die nicely when it cant configure itself, but the getpeername is possibly due to a failure of some non-existing domain name somehwere, so I go through the entier config file commenting out the virtual host loads, and the bit which makes it look for virtual hosts, and changing anything which poitns at dev.imen.org.uk to pointing at its ip address, and then try again, but I get the same error, checking all the way through a couple of times and repeating. The box is still unpingable from the outside world, (from various hosts) but pingable by itself (duhh). Could this have an affect on it. DNS lookups to it return the correct ip address for that box (otherwise I couldnt log in or irc to it). Searching the web gives me either results not relavent to apache, or just other people (including entries on debian-users which havnt been replied to (dating back years). Am I doing something incredably stupid here? J ps apologies if this goes in the wrong format its my first time using thunderbird

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unmounting nfs mounts
by Syd Hancock 14 Dec '03

14 Dec '03

How can I unmount an nfs-mounted partition from the client? Or is that even the right question? Here is the situation: I have a directory exported on an nfs server (a desktop PC) and mounted from the command-line on my laptop. The desktop is a dual-boot which spends most of its time in windows (kids gaming machine). My plan is to have somewhere to store backups. What should I do on the client before shutting-down the server PC to let things end gracefully? Can I set-up fstab (or ?) on the client so that it will mount the exported drive if it is there but not cause problems if it is not there? Is there a better way to do this??? Many thanks Syd

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Tele-conferencing under linux & M$
by Paul 14 Dec '03

14 Dec '03

Just had a cry for help in setting up a teleconferencing system for a small group of FOSS developers. The proposed solution is to use a specialist service provider based on conventional telephony equipment - This works fine as long as it uses local rate calls, but I would need to dial a US number.. IRC would be my favoured choice, but it has been ruled out as some people have an aversion to the keyboard. This leaves voice-over-internet (VoIP ?), an area I have no experience of. Looking at www.linphone.org, it would appear that it would only support a one-to-one connection. On the other hand, it may provide a solution to the problem of long distance calls... Question: Are there any compatable software packages that will run on linux and microsoft platforms ? Regards, Paul. -- "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password."

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For sale : Understanding the Linux Kernel (O'Reilly)
by Ashley 14 Dec '03

14 Dec '03

I have an O'Reilly book for sale. It covers the technical details of the Linux 2.2 kernel. More information at: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/ I am looking for £5. Please email me off-list if interested. -- Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. http://www.ashleyhowes.com "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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Subject: Re: [ALUG] Norwich evening meet: Thursday 11th December
by Ricky Bruce 13 Dec '03

13 Dec '03

if anyones ever in the market place in norwich watch out for streetwalkers handing out heart shaped leaflets, get as many as you can, they are for Nandos on the riverside or red lion street, and you can get a free meal with them, get enough and thats free catering for the meet. The foods pretty good aswell, their chilli sauce knocks your head off, i went temporarily blind and almost passed out after a few minutes of eating my extra-hot burger. The music isnt too invasive either. Rick ps: hello everyone aswell, keep meaning to write but im lazy. Just moved back to the uk after a spell in the US, my old lug wasnt very active, as theres not a whole lot of technology in central illinois..just corn but greetings from lugop anyway. www.lugop.org _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Re: [ALUG] laptop recommendations
by Matt Parker 13 Dec '03

13 Dec '03

On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 23:20, adam(a)thebowery.co.uk wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking for a new laptop and need a few suggestions... > I'd recommend an IBM. I've had Linux running on a number of Thinkpads and it's been rock solid. They're not the best laptops for their price in the world, but Linux loves them, and they're built like tanks. I dropped one from a fair height once, and except for a small crack in the LCD screen it worked without a problem. Matt -- http://www.mpcontracting.co.uk Experts in Java development and website design

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