- main - earth.li

Re: [ALUG] Sunday
by Anthony Anson 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

The message <2d5c9831e41c0177c84d35ab8cb78b8f(a)bouncing.localnet> from MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> contains these words: > On 2003-11-21 20:01:02 +0000 Anthony Anson <tony.anson(a)zetnet.co.uk> > wrote: > > It looks like all my replies intended for the list are going to the > > senders. > Worse, it's going to the Sender: header contents, as far as I can tell. Ah. I just copied and pasted from the header..... > > I don't know if this is a list thing or a ZIMACS (local software) one. > Nothing wrong with the list. Do you know if "ZIMACS" supports mailing > lists? (RFCs 2369 and 2919) Can it be fixed to do so? Does it have a > "reply to all" command? It's never given any trouble with lists before. However, this *IS* a beta version, and the problem has been aired in the beta list. (Which works.) Some tweaking in setup.exe *SHOULD* have put the matter to rights. We shall see soon enough. > > Cut and pasted list addy in for this one and any others until it's > > sorted. > The list address is main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Noted, thanks, and stashed away in the address book. I'll have to repost any that seem fairly fresh. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

1 0

Re: main digest, Vol 2 #347 - 8 msgs
by Tim Green 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 06:25:11AM +0000, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MP3/Ogg (John Woodard) > 2. Resouces Link (Keith Watson) > 3. TechBookReport: Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye! (Keith Watson) > 4. Re: Advice needed re Gnome 2.4, Alsa 0.9.8.1, esd andconflicts with /dev/dsp (Keith Watson) > 5. Re: Advice needed re Gnome 2.4, Alsa 0.9.8.1, esd > andconflicts with /dev/dsp (MJ Ray) > 6. A6 meeting notices (MJ Ray) > 7. Sunday (Jenny Hopkins) > > --__--__-- How come the subject line says "8 msgs", but there are only 7? Also, this isn't the first Main digest I've noticed with the +1 error. The social list is OK. Hmmm. Tim.

2 1

Off topic: Win 95 and USB?
by Nick Heppleston 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

Looking to pick the collective knowledge of the ALUG group - I need to use a USB printer on a Windows '95 install. I seem to remember that '95 doesn't support USB and that SP2 provided that support? Am I right? Any ideas where I might be able to pick up a copy of Win '95 SP2? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Heppleston 07989 581766 | nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk The Funky PC - http://www.thefunkypc.biz

4 3

TechBookReport: Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!
by Keith Watson 20 Nov '03

20 Nov '03

http://www.techbookreport.com/tbr0050.html At last!!!! Keith

1 0

MP3/Ogg
by Syd Hancock 20 Nov '03

20 Nov '03

What do people use for ripping/encoding and what bit rates? Do you use different bit rates for playing through the household stereo rather than a small portable player? Cheers and TIAs Syd

11 20

Trigger Levels all round
by Edenyard 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Michael Sage wrote: > > Try doing an ADSL check on your line, lets see if we can get a couple > more exchanges in "rural" England enabled! > Could you expand on that a little, Michael? I infer from it that somehow it's possible for the ordinary man in the street to influence the provision of ADSL in a particular area; if that's true, I'd like to know how. I've more or less given up on the idea of ever seeing ADSL available in a one-eyed comatose place like this (Martlesham Heath)... Cheers, Gerald.

2 1

Subject: [ALUG] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Stuart Hammond 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

I was told when joining this list I was supposed to write a short bit on why i'm interested in Linux, well I'm using it as a friend of mine said do you want to try this out whilst shoving a copy of RH9 under my nose and that was about 2 months ago. I use it for school work on a laptop at both school and work.Any way so far i've found it very stable and openoffice seems to be capable competition to MS office so that's all good so far, its lack of laptop and modem support seem to be the only real problems I've had with it (I will say that it seems a bit more complex to do simple things some times but when doing them you can do more). The ALUG group seems pretty enthusiastic about the subject, its just a shame you don't have meetings where I can get to them (around Ipswich would be good). Yours S Hammond

2 1

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server
by Nick Heppleston 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Evening all, A copy of the PC World Business directory landed on the desk today and while having a look though, I came across MS ISA, their 'Internet and Security Acceleration' server. It retails at just over £1000 (you need a copy of Win2k Server too). Just a small bit of the marketing blurb states that: 'ISA Server includes an extensible, multi-layer enterprise firewall featuring dynamic packet filtering, SecureNAT for transparency, "smart" data-aware application filters, system hardening, and built-in intrusion detection.' it also goes on about: '...high-performance cache accelerates Web access while saving network bandwidth, and with Windows 2000 Advanced Server, scales for efficient, dynamic load balancing. ISA Server studies data usage patterns and actively caches popular content. Isn't MS ISA a cobbled together product that features apps that come with a standard Linux distribution? Or is that price tag the result of putting a few point-and-click dialog boxes together? Nick -- Nick Heppleston 07989 581766 | nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk The Funky PC - http://www.thefunkypc.biz

2 1

ASDL
by Stan Fraser 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

We've had broadband for ages in Lowestoft. Unfortunately the copper is as old as the sewerage system so unless you live in town its a no go Regards Stan

2 1

Trigger Levels all round
by Michael Sage 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

A bit off topic but, BT have just set the trigger level for 2300 exchanges including a number in East Anglia, where I live Freethorpe we have a trigger of 350, which isn't bad going. Try doing an ADSL check on your line, lets see if we can get a couple more exchanges in "rural" England enabled! Regards, Michael Sage

2 1

new to linux
by Stan Fraser 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Look at Linux as a challenge as it seems a lot more difficult to use than MS Win, so far have totally failed to install suse 9 on a computer. Mandrake installed no problem. Looking for help regarding installing suse ie how to i make a boot disk. Regards Stan

2 1

Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Anthony Anson 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

The message <20031117101601.20618.79205.Mailman(a)terry.blackcatnetworks.co.uk> from main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk contains these words: > Welcome to the main(a)lists.alug.org.uk mailing list! Welcome to ALUG! Too, too kind. > We welcome new members and we'd especially like you to send a short > description of why you're interested in Linux to the mailing list. Disclaimer: what you may consider typos may not be all they seem. qv uk.rec.sheds. Now read on. I used to use FT at my place of work, and liked it. However, I was only given simple tasks and I've pretty-well forgotten how to do those in the intervening years. I don't work there any longer so support from that quarter isn't available in quantity, though I sometimes pop in for a chinwag. After much wrangling in various newsgroups I've settled on Debian as my particular - er - sparring-partner. I tend to use keystrokes in Windows rather than the rodent for a variety of reasons: not the least of these is to show that nice Mr. Gates what fingers are for, so that OS seemed the logical choice. Not, of course, that I would dream of applying the same reason to Mr Linus T. (Whom God preserve.) > This is so that we can get some idea of how to cater for new members, > as they're the most important ones! <Preen> > Some general info should follow... Oh. I seem to have jumped the gun. General Info rose from the ranks by means of his intuitive grasp of the function of escalators, while bearing in mind the traditional insurance industry caveat that they can go down as well as up, he progressed through CP/M, Drapery, Haberdashery and Men's Wear, to DOS, Toys, Models and Restaurant and was dragged from thence, kicking and screaming into the clutches of Windows 3.0, because Someone Who Knew insisted that 'Everything was written for Windows these days'. As it happened, I used my first PC (DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.0 for several years without ever needing to run the fenestral part.) Indeed, with half a metaphorical eye on the insurance industry, he noted that escalators promised to go down a good deal faster than the other way about, so he took great care to step onto escalators which were going in a generally upwards direction, thobut with a certain lateral shift. Are you still with me? You've not got on that escalator going down...... Hooter! He must have been listening too intently and not noticed where he was going. Ah well, I'll mumble to myself then. Never have to correct myself, what? As a result of all this upward mobility he is not as young as he used to be (FDVO young) and the escalators are becoming very thin on the ground. There's this one though, which promises to fend off the worst depradations of age, in that it exercises the brian, and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to get on. And it's fun: the top of it is receding rather fast, so I might have to climb rather than just stand there. That thing at the top, it's growing, and if I CBA to learn a little programming even I might be able to contribute something. The last loading of Win98 got up my nose from time to time. Well, that's hyperbole *AND* oxymoron, I guvax. It was one of those escalators I stepped on without noticing which way it was going. However, making the best of a bad job I lined up in my sights that bloody Orofice Assistant. *BLAM!* - followed in short order by condescending messages and Junior Mickey$oftie six-year-old approach to naming things *MY* computer, *MY* documents, *MY* briefcase, *MY* &@$*! In the end I discarded so much junk that Windows gave up and sulked, so I reloaded it and despite its plaintive cries and entreaties, Outlurk, Outpuke Depress and a lot of other Mucodross never even made it into the filesystem. But it's hard work, and without taking a hammer and a spanner into the codes there's not much that can be done to wipe off some of its evil habits. Besides, if I got in amongst the codes there wouldn't be much spanner about it. "Oops! It's borked! Where's the soopergloo?" would be the cry. So, I'm defecting. A foot in both camps to start with, as my internet software runs in Windows, and as a beta tester, a clean break would be painful even though I'm not an addict. (Don't they all say that?) That's not all bad, as I shall make it my aim to fire up ZIMACS in one of the emulators. Zetnet is not just Debian-tolerant, much of its software works under it, and one of the directors is a guru thereof. Enough? Had enough? Want some more? -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

2 1

Welcome to Rekall Revealed
by Keith Watson 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

<quote> Rekall is a database front-end, it is not itself a database. By this we mean that data is stored somewhere else in an SQL server, and Rekall is fundementaly just a too to extract, display and update that data (of course, it does lots more than that, it does forms and reports and scripting and .... you get the idea). It is database agnostic, and does not have any preferred database in the sense that Access® uses the Jet® database engine (although the Windows version can use the Jet&seg; database engine via an ODBC driver). Rekall can do lots of the things that you would expect of a database front-end (or if it can't, let us know!). You can design and use forms and reports, you can construct database queries, and you can import and export data (actually, you can copy data, import is just copy file to table, and export is just copy table to file). Rekall can be scripted using the the Python language. You can arrange that a script is executed when various events occur (for instance, when the user changes the value of a control). Scripts can be associated directly with the event, but you can also store scripts in script modules for more general use. And, of course, you have full access to all the modules that are available for Python. Plus, Rekall has an integrated Python debugger with syntax highlighting </quote> This is a KDE biased product (based on QT libs) but looks quite nice. <http://www.rekallrevealed.org> Keith _________________ "For a nation to love liberty it is only neccessary that they know it, for them to be free it is only necesary that they will it." Lafayette (qv The Rights of Man - Paine)

1 0

T-Shirts Etc
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

For anyone interested in this continuing saga please hop over to the social list. Keith

1 0

Kings Lynn meet tommorow night.
by Brett Parker 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Hi all, If anyone wants a lift from Norwich to Kings Lynn tomorow night (Tues 18/11/2003) lob me an e-mail off list (I should be checking mail at work tommorow, GNUmail is a godsend :) I should be leaving here sometime around 6 or 6.30, I think Mark is planning on starting there ~ 7pm (Mark, is that right?) Cheers, Brett. (Oh, just incase... I'll be sitting in #alug all the working day tommorow as usual, lack of response might be me actually working though, so, erm, yes :) IRC Nick: iDunno

1 0

[Alug]Linux 2.6
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Anyone on the list using the 2.6 kernel? if so what's the general opinion of it? Keith

9 13

CD burning at Syleham
by Syd Hancock 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

If anyone has any CDs to share, bring them along to Syleham next sunday. I'm expecting to have a burner with me. Regards Syd

2 1

Re: [ALUG] Will Debian survive the rise of Linux?
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

On 11/17/2003, "Anthony Anson" <tony.anson(a)zetnet.co.uk> wrote: >The message <20031117133424.37BD31F8024(a)mail.ukpost.com> >from "Keith Watson" <kpwatson(a)ukfsn.org> contains these words: > >> MMmmm... Debian > >Have you got a recipe? > <http://www.debian.org/social_contract> :o) Keith

1 0

SP - First Look: Next-Generation Debian Installer
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

<http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=inde…> Keith

1 0

Will Debian survive the rise of Linux?
by Ben Francis 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

I stumbled across this[1] article on the linmagau (Linux Magazine, Australia?) web site. The article claims that "Early 2004 is going to be make-or-break time for Debian... and if If Debian is going to continue to grow and develop, we're going to have to work on more than just technical innovation: we need to work on usability and visibility." Although a little bit repetitive and perhaps overzealous, the author (who is a Debian devloper himself) seems, to me, to make some interesting points. However, I can imagine that many of the Debian users on this list would oppose his views with some hostility. Is Mr Oxer missing the point of the Debian GNU/Linux project altogether or does Debian really need to start appealing more to our well known friend Joe, the "mainstream user"? I'd be interested to hear some views on this. [1] http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=inde… -- Ben "tola" Francis

7 8

Newsforg: Big boys team up to push Linux hard
by Keith Watson 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

<http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/14/1452201> <quote> Six giants of the industry are to form a group to commercially promote the Linux operating system, according to a report in today's Nihon Keizai Shimbun. The newspaper says that IBM, Hitachi, NEC, NTT, Fujitsu and Argo 21 will not only tweak the operating system and make other software applications, but _will promote the OS actively in Japan_ </quote> Anyone care to predict how long Canon will be able to keep their "Only Windows/Mac" policy in place? Keith :o)

1 0

Announce digest, Vol 2 #24 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. [Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) (fwd) (MJ Ray) 2. LOCAL: ALUG/GNU/Linux meetings 18 & 23 Nov, 11 Dec (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:48:16 +0000 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce][Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-11-15 16:51:56 +0000 From: James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> Subject: [Fsfe-uk] FFII-UK update (software patents) New things on the FFII-UK website: Summary of the latest situation: http://www.ffii.org.uk/latest.html Extracts from the US Government FTC report, which is *devastating* about software patents. http://www.ffii.org.uk/ftc/ftc.html Much expanded commentary on important things in the Parliament amendments which the Commission want to chuck out again: http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html Side-by-side comparisons of the Parliament text and the Council draft text: http://www.ffii.org.uk/recitals.html http://www.ffii.org.uk/articles.html Reminder: The Coreper decision on how to proceed with the Directive is expected any day now. We really need to get the message over to MPs this weekend, if we are to stop a stitch-up on November 27. If you have already written to your MP, please write/fax again, thanking them for their previous prompt reply, and updating them about the situation. You may also like to tell them about the FTC report and send them some of the extracts. If you have not already written to your MP, we really need your help *this weekend*. See: http://www.ffii.org.uk/latest.html http://www.ffii.org.uk/council.html for the latest situation, and general advice on how to be most effective respectively. As usual, please copy letters sent to uk-parl-sent @ ffii.org.uk and MP replies to uk-parl-replies @ ffii.org.uk It's really helpful if you could put the MP name and consituency in the subject line, eg "Second letter to Sue Doughty MP (Guildford)". With the first wave of letters, we stopped the Council of Ministers meeting on November 10 from adopting their November 2002 draft unamended. But unless we can stop it with another, even bigger wave of letters, the Commission and the EU Presidency are pushing for the Ministers to adopt a rushed hack of a text at their next Competitiveness Council meeting on November 23. Every letter counts. Yours could be the one that tips the scales. All best, James Heald, FFII-UK. [Feel free to forward all or any part of this email to anywhere it could do some good. These four are the only groups it's been sent to, so it's up to you to propagate it from here]. _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:04:07 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: ALUG/GNU/Linux meetings 18 & 23 Nov, 11 Dec ALUG meets frequently around East Anglia to discuss and demonstrate GNU/Linux and other free software. The next meetings are: * [7]King's Lynn on Tue 18 Nov 2003 * [8]Syleham, mid-Suffolk on Sun 23 Nov * [9]Norwich on Thu 11 Dec * IRC each Monday from 8pm in irc.alug.org.uk #alug * Ely, date tbc If you are interested in coming along, look at the pages mentioned for details and send an email to our discussion list or the meeting organiser. We are also interested in hearing from people who can help make meetings happen again in the Ipswich and North Norfolk areas. Join the mailing list and start organising, or drop us an email privately if you'd rather. Discussion If you want to talk about this, please [13]use the mailing list. * Destinations 1. [15]Join ALUG 2. [16]FAQ 3. [17]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [18]Peterborough 2. [19]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [20]PHP4Hosting 2. [21]Black Cat Networks 3. [22]Martyn Drake 4. [23]Turo Technology LLP 5. [24]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [25]UK LUGs References 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting16.5.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting17.html 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting18.html 13. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 15. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 16. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 17. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 18. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 19. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 20. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 21. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 22. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 23. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 24. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 25. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

1 0

Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 17 Nov '03

17 Nov '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

1 0

Re: Subject: [ALUG] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Steve Fosdick 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

On 2003.11.16 22:06, Stuart Hammond wrote: > ... The ALUG group seems pretty enthusiastic about the subject, its > just a shame you don't have meetings where I can get to them (around > Ipswich would be good). We did have a meeting at Martlesham a while back which was very poorly attended, which is a pitty because I live in Felixstowe so Ipswich is a lot closer than Norwich. Still, I often make it to the meetings and if you want a lift to the meeting next Sunday just let me know. Steve.

1 0

MegaTouch Maxx
by Matt Parker 16 Nov '03

16 Nov '03

I happened to see one of these machines (you must have seen them in various pubs etc) booting up the other day and saw the familiar black screen with scrolling white text and green [OK]s on the right :-) Matt

1 0