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Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Tim Green 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 09:01:01PM +0000, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > We welcome new members and we'd especially like you to send a short > description of why you're interested in Linux to the mailing list. Hello! I was invited to this evening's Ely social in The Fountain, but without enough warning! So here I am at home *clickerty-click* subscribing to the mailing lists. I have been using Linux since 1993 when I discovered I could re- partition my university's public PCs and dual boot between DOS and a unix. SLS Linux needed quite a few floppies! I now run Debian on half my PCs, and I gave up dual booting because I like to be able to run both Linux apps and Win32 apps at the same time. Maybe I'll try one of those emulator-y things like VMWare one day. I like using Linux because I feel I have much more control over my computers. I can choose to share files and other resources, and I can choose not to. And its free! If only I had a bit more free time to take advantage of the free speech aspect of Linux ... Tim.

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Re: [Alug]OT: Standard of IT in schools across the country
by Ben Norcutt 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

>And, in Norfolk schools at least, can't d/l ISOs either which is a >disappointment. Syd, I don't know why you came up with that statement which is blatently untrue as I download lots of iso's from different sources all the time. We can send smtp mail using the country mail relay, ssl sites are fine, pinging web servers works, irc doesn't. As far as the best sites being filtered etc... well there are always ways Cheers, Ben

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Re: [ALUG] Ely meeting report
by Simon.Turner＠LDS.spx.com 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Kirsten Naylor wrote: >> A pleasant meeting in the Fountain, attended by Rob, Daniel, Simon, Ted, >> Kirsty and Adam. Daniel Silverstone wrote: > It was nice to meet Simon and Ted at last. The conversation was indeed > nice and geeky, I think adding the deck of cards to the mix helped to > fill any awkward silences a bunch of geeks often end up generating, > albeit not trying to do so ;-) Many thanks to you all for making me welcome! Interesting that three of us were from the same village. If you can persuade Tim to attend next time then there would be four! I enjoyed the cards - would be more than interested in bringing a laptop to a suitable venue in the future ... > I'm all for making this a more regular thing for the Ely/Nr-Ely crowd. > Perhaps every two or three weeks would be good. Admittedly it'd be nice > if we could get a venue to have a talk etc, but just making sure there's > face2face socialising within the LUG is a good thing. Agreed - I guess somewhere with some bandwidth would be good :-), although not always easy in the Fens. See you next time ... Simon -- Simon Turner

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Ely meeting report
by Kirsten Naylor 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

A pleasant meeting in the Fountain, attended by Rob, Daniel, Simon, Ted, Kirsty and Adam. A penguin was present, as was lots of very interesting conversation about wireless internet, open source hardware etc etc (over a game of cards :). We met at 7pm (well, a bit after 7 for most of us - sorry Rob and Daniel!) and did not adjourn till after 10.30pm so it was a good night out! /Kirsten

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Re: [Alug]Suse 8.1 Live Eval CD problem
by Syd Hancock 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

On Sunday 26 Oct 2003 8:54 pm, IanBell wrote: > On Sunday 26 Oct 2003 5:12 pm, Syd Hancock wrote: > > This is a question I've been meaning to ask for a while. When I > > first got my T23 Think[ad a couple of months ago I tried a Suse > > 8.1 Live Evaluation disk in it and what happened when it went > > past the opening screen was really scary. [...] > It doesn't, by any chance, have an LG CDRW drive does it?? I > have heard of problems with this drive and distros which have > packet writing enabled (like Suse 8.1 and Mandrake 9.2 but not > Mandrake 9.1). No I don't think it's the CDrom - it's an IBM drive (may be badged I suppose). The current problem with the LG drive and mdk9.2 is because the drive firmware uses a command which is intended to flush the buffers to flash the rom instead... hence dead CD drives while trying to instal mdk9.2 - nasty. LG's response is that their drives 'don't support linux'. Hmm. These LG drives are used in the Dell Optiplex BTW if anyone out there needs to know. I have a couple of them, they are a very nice machine, solidly made and an easy install (with mandrake 9.1 and knoppix at least) so I will not be using mdk 9.2 (which so far does not look as if it is going to be one of Mandrake's better distros unfortunately - many bugs have appeared within days of release. mdk9.1 is pretty solid though). Syd

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[Alug]OT: Standard of IT in schools across the country
by Ashley 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

Sorry to be off-topic, but I was hoping someone may be able to point me in the right direction (if I remember correctly, some of the people on the list have experience with educational institutions). I have recently got involved in the creation of a CDROM presentation to be placed inside schools (high schools and sixth form). In order to do this, I need to get a grasp on the specs for the machines I am deploying on. I discussed this with Norfolk County Council and was told the following was recommended locally: * Windows 98 or XP * 1.7Ghz / 80Gb / 256 Ram * All students had Internet access on their desktops This only covers Norfolk of course and is only a recommendation I was wondering if a national minimum standard of computer technology exists, or whether each school sets their own standard? Please email me onlist, or directly if you can help. Ashley

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ALUG Meeting
by Martin Collins 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

Hi only just joined the list a few days ago. Would like to attend meeting if that's OK as have yet to meet anyone else who uses Linux. Rgds, Martin Collins

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Meeting
by Martin Collins 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

Sorry, my geography is a bit off. Didn't realise it was so far from me. Maybe next time but will cancel. Rgds, Martin

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Calling Zaurus owners
by Wayne Stallwood 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

Is anybody out there using OpenZaurus ? After 6 months or so of not looking at it, I'd thought I'd give it another go. Open Zaurus 3.2 has a strange bug for me. If I suspend/unsuspend the Zaurus with a CF card inserted I frequently get no response from Opie for about 30 seconds. Sometimes I get a login prompt at the bottom of the screen. It's bug number 733158 (and I have just added some comments) Has anybody else experienced this (and hopefully found a workaround) I'd love to switch from the Sharp Rom, but problems like this keep getting in my way.

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Re: OT: Standard of IT in schools across the country
by Ben Norcutt 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

>Such bravery, putting XP net-facing in such numbers. Of course they keep >all the machines patched... Nobody said anything about the machines being Internet facing. All connections from Schools to the Internet by the links provided by Norfolk LEA are one big VPN. This then goes into a server farm of proxies at baynard house provided by BT then through the BT networks to the outside world. Information on standards etc... for Schools can be found on the DFES website. I know personally that as a School our budget isn't big enough to include upgrading and replacing machines this money has come from the Government via NGFL funding. Cheers, Ben Norcutt

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Announce digest, Vol 2 #21 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Ely Wed 29 Oct (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:36:31 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Ely Wed 29 Oct [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.15: Ely: Fountain 29 October 2003 Plan for the meeting We'll meet at [3]the Fountain at 1900. Someone will put a penguin on the table, ALUGgers will gather round and chat. Because we're in a pub, please only bring portable equipment like laptops and handhelds. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, Rob and Daniel look fairly certain to be there. If you will be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Use [4]the meeting transport page if you can share your journey. Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [5]use the mailing list. [6]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [7]Join ALUG 2. [8]FAQ 3. [9]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [10]Peterborough 2. [11]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [12]PHP4Hosting 2. [13]Black Cat Networks 3. [14]Martyn Drake 4. [15]Turo Technology LLP 5. [16]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [17]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.britishpubguide.com/cgi-bin/pub.cgi?results:Cambridgeshire:1147 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 5. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 10. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 12. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 13. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 14. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 15. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 16. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 17. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Gnoppix
by Keith Watson 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

Has anyone else seen and tried Gnoppix (www.gnoppix.org)? Gnoppix is a Knoppix clone that uses Gnome 2+ rather than KDE. Keith

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[Alug]Suse 8.1 Live Eval CD problem
by Syd Hancock 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

This is a question I've been meaning to ask for a while. When I first got my T23 Think[ad a couple of months ago I tried a Suse 8.1 Live Evaluation disk in it and what happened when it went past the opening screen was really scary. The machine totally locked up with a blank screen, the green leds were flashing, the fan came on and the hot air was really hot and smelled of hot electronics... the thing was totally locked up and not even the power button would do anything. I really thought it was totally fried (lm_sensors was the first thing I thought of) but thankfully after a few minutes the fan stopped and I was able to power it up again and take the CD out. Since then I have installed mandrake 9.1 with no problems (except the minor glitch of getting a video driver) and has run perfectly ever since. Knoppix no probelms either (and it has the correct video driver too). But it has put me right off Suse which I would actully like to try out. Has anyone else seen this and/or does anyone have any comments? Syd

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[Alug]Suse Problems
by Nick Daniels 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

HI Suse 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, total system freeze only when connected to internet, and running KDE The freeze occurs about once in fifteen times connected to internet num lock light flashes, caps lock flashes, I can run Gnome forever and the system never locks I have a normal dial up connection Mandrake O.K , i have a normal dial up connnection and external modem System xp1600 , 768Mb ram, hard disc IBM deskstar Regards Nick Daniels

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RE: Re[2]: [Alug]Problem 2 - Unkillable processes
by Jenny Hopkins 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

> Stuart Clark <stuart.clark(a)Jahingo.com> wrote: > > > Barry Samuels wrote: > > > > > > Just recently I have started an application that then freezes. It > > > shows in the list of processes viewed using something like KDE > > > System Guard or Top but cannot be killed by using either of the > > > above or 'kill' from the command line. > > > > > > > Have you tried kill -9 <pid> ? > > No but I did try from KDE System Guard using KILL rather than > TERM and that didn't work so I imagine that kill -9 <pid> > wouldn't work either but I will try it if (when?) it happens again. > There is also "kill -s KILL <pid>" which sometimes works if kill doesn't. Jen

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Problem 2 - Unkillable processes
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

Just recently I have started an application that then freezes. It shows in the list of processes viewed using something like KDE System Guard or Top but cannot be killed by using either of the above or 'kill' from the command line. Is there any way of killing these processes? The only way that I have found is to reboot which seems a bit drastic. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Re: [Alug]Problem 2 - Unkillable processes
by Stuart Clark 26 Oct '03

26 Oct '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Barry Samuels wrote: > > Just recently I have started an application that then freezes. It > shows in the list of processes viewed using something like KDE System > Guard or Top but cannot be killed by using either of the above or > 'kill' from the command line. > Have you tried kill -9 <pid> ? - -- Stuart Clark mailto:stuart.clark@Jahingo.com http://www.Jahingo.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/m9wM8fzjqiF3TCIRApmtAJ0RDCFEdbpH0KcThXx7KFnDejAc2wCdHEtL n9lQ296Q3dLpJkbIwSQG/5Y= =zAVW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Alug]Problem 1 - Snort and local LAN
by Stuart Clark 26 Oct '03

26 Oct '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Barry Samuels wrote: > > Debian has a DEBIAN_SNORT_HOME_NET variable which should be set to > 192.168.n.n/nn. What do I need to set it to to disregard anything > coming from 19.168.anything? > If that is how it is expecting it use '192.168.0.0/16' The simplest netmasks to remember are 8, 16, 24 & 32 which correspond to 192.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x, 192.168.0.x and 192.168.0.1 (ie one of the 4 'dotted quads' more each time until a 32 which is a single ip address) - -- Stuart Clark mailto:stuart.clark@Jahingo.com http://www.Jahingo.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/m9vp8fzjqiF3TCIRAuy8AJ9U3tw5R1+QIcCMpKO0wuDDZBhgBwCeIJBh eVQW415oDuJ//GyuejMwEc0= =OeEH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[Alug]Problem 1 - Snort and local LAN
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 26 Oct '03

26 Oct '03

My computer has two LAN sockets on eth0 and eth1. My home network is connected via eth0 and my ADSL router via eth1. I want Snort to disregard activity on either eth0 or eth1 and to monitor only traffic coming from the Internet where the router's address is 192.168.n.n. Debian has a DEBIAN_SNORT_HOME_NET variable which should be set to 192.168.n.n/nn. What do I need to set it to to disregard anything coming from 19.168.anything? I especially don't understand the net mask bit even though I have read a bit about it. Goes over the head I'm afraid. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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RE: [Alug]Time to give something back
by Karl Foley 25 Oct '03

25 Oct '03

Ian Douglas now has all the Sun kit. I made him promise before I left that if he found he had no use/too much then would he pass it on. I hope you're doing ok with it Ian, I'm just glad I eventually remembered the root password! --- ATB, Karl. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan McDowell [mailto:noodles@earth.li] Sent: 23 October 2003 23:49 To: Karl Foley Subject: Re: [Alug]Time to give something back On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:45:24PM +0100, Karl Foley wrote: > Due to a clear out I now find I've got nowhere to store my Sun kit so > would like to donate it to a loving home. I have had a flavour of > Linux (Debian?) running on it but most of the time it's been running good old Solaris. > > Details of what I have are: > > Sparc 5 Base Station > Scsi Cdrom > Floppy > 128MB RAM > 2 Internal SCA Scsi drives > > Sparc 5 Base Station > Scsi Cdrom > Floppy (I think) > 64MB RAM (I think) > 1 Internal SCA Scsi drive I'd love some better Sun kit; if either of these are still available I'll gladly take one. Obviously the one with more RAM would be more appealing if it's still free. J. -- I don't tip. This .sig was brought to you by the letter G and the numbers 5 & 20 Product of the Republic of HuggieTag

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #20 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 25 Oct '03

25 Oct '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. RE: Stallman Visit ( (Ted Harding)) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:55:48 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk From: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug Announce]RE: Stallman Visit On 24-Oct-03 announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:39:19 +0100 > From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> > To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Organization: Very poor > Subject: [Alug Announce]RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. (fwd) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 2003-10-22 12:00:15 +0100 > From: Nick Hill <nick(a)nickhill.co.uk> > Subject: RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. > > I have just had news that RMS is suffering a broken arm in a Finnish > hospital. His trip to the UK is in the balance. > > In order to keep people up to date about the current status of RMS' > trip to the UK and whether the speeches will go ahead/ in what form, I > have put up a web page: > > http://www.nickhill.co.uk/rms-speech-status.html According to messages on the Sheflug and linux-users lists, RMS will in fact be travelling to the UK after all (due to speak in Sheffield on Saturday). Ted. =================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:43:11 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Ibbotson <richard(a)sheflug.co.uk> To: David Johnson <dj(a)david-web.co.uk> Subject: [linux-users] Re: RMS Speech in balance Cc: linux-users(a)lists.man.ac.uk, man-lug(a)lists.man.ac.uk Hi Just got some mail from RMS. He says he will be here in Sheffield as was originally planned for Saturday afternoon. So, I'll look forward to meeting anyone from the other side of the hill who hopes to come along :) Thanks Richard www.sheflug.org http://lists.man.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 24-Oct-03 Time: 16:55:48 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Linux Install Problems
by Stuart Hammond 25 Oct '03

25 Oct '03

Im having a problem installing red hat 9 and suse 8.2 on my desktop computer as both crash out in installation, the system i use is an intel PIII 750 with 128mb ram and 40GB hard drive when red hat starts to install to the hard drive it and displays the message "abnormal install error -- signal 11 sent" and in SuSE also at the start of installation it displays the error message "XFree86 - man - 4.3.0 - 15 ERROR (instTarget:some subprocessesfailed) -?- Any suggestions any one? Yours S Hammond

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[Alug]The Broadband Search Continues
by Nick Heppleston 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

As the title of this e-mail suggests, the search for broadband continues. After a brief dabble in wireless with a local ISP, which unfortunately came to nothing, I'm now investigating one-way satellite broadband. I've found a supplier called netsystems ( www.netsystem.com ) who use Astra for the downlink aspect of the connection. I can make a slight modification to my Sky dish (i.e. add a dual LNB) and pick up the signal. However, I need to invest in what Net Systems call a 'Sat Modem'. They ship a free Windows 'Sat Modem' when you sign up, but I'm interested to know whether anyone has ever come across a Linux compatible 'sat modem'? I may be forced to move my Gentoo based router to a Win2k install to benefit from the faster connection offered by the satellite (Help!!!!) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Heppleston 07989 581766 | nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk The Funky PC - http://www.thefunkypc.biz

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[Alug]RE: Stallman Visit
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

[forwarding this to Alug direct since in fact I replied to "announce" and it may be delayed] -----FW: <XFMail.031024165548.Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk>----- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:55:48 +0100 (BST) From: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: Stallman Visit On 24-Oct-03 announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:39:19 +0100 > From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> > To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Organization: Very poor > Subject: [Alug Announce]RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. (fwd) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 2003-10-22 12:00:15 +0100 > From: Nick Hill <nick(a)nickhill.co.uk> > Subject: RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. > > I have just had news that RMS is suffering a broken arm in a Finnish > hospital. His trip to the UK is in the balance. > > In order to keep people up to date about the current status of RMS' > trip to the UK and whether the speeches will go ahead/ in what form, I > have put up a web page: > > http://www.nickhill.co.uk/rms-speech-status.html According to messages on the Sheflug and linux-users lists, RMS will in fact be travelling to the UK after all (due to speak in Sheffield on Saturday). See below. Ted. =================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:43:11 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Ibbotson <richard(a)sheflug.co.uk> To: David Johnson <dj(a)david-web.co.uk> Subject: [linux-users] Re: RMS Speech in balance Cc: linux-users(a)lists.man.ac.uk, man-lug(a)lists.man.ac.uk Hi Just got some mail from RMS. He says he will be here in Sheffield as was originally planned for Saturday afternoon. So, I'll look forward to meeting anyone from the other side of the hill who hopes to come along :) Thanks Richard www.sheflug.org http://lists.man.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ========================================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 24-Oct-03 Time: 17:45:01 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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