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[Alug]Alug library request: does anyone have "Learning Debian/GNU Linux"?
by Kirsten Naylor 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

Hi all We are trying to discover what has happened to an Alug library book "Learning Debian/GNU Linux" published by O'Reilly. It used to belong to Adam but he donated it to the library, and now he has not seen it in a very long time. It will be very out of date now but we would just like to know where it has got to :) Thanks /Kirsten

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[Alug]Using Apt-Zip
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Been playing around with Apt-Zip (there's a man page online at <http://debian.ipv6.fhtw-berlin.de/ger/howto/apt-zip.html>) and finding it very useful. I had to hack the output around so that I caould use FTP in batch mode via windows 2000 but that wasn't too hard (it might be a nice option to put in the apt-zip-list script). And then I neaded to hack the output again to process the .deb files (couldn't get apt-zip-inst to work on my system), but again that was fairly straightforward. I'll do a more detailed write-up if anyone's interested in the details. I must admit that now I've been through the process a couple of times it'd probably be just a quick to drive the whole thing directly from the cmmand line with apt-get and a couple of gawk or perl scripts. But I have a question for the Debian gurus out there :o) When I run Synaptic it lists over 80 packages as candidates for upgrade but when I run apt-get in simulate mode to list the package details it only includes 5. It says the others have been 'held back'. Now IIRC this is because upgrading these would involve installing or removing othe packages. Is this correct? If so, is there any way I can override this so the package is included in the list of packages to be upgraded (plus any dependancies). This is so I can use apt-get-zip to download then elsewhere and then do the upgrade offline.

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[Alug]Reminder: Norwich evening meeting this week.
by Syd Hancock 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Postponed Norwich monthly evening social meet this thursday 16th October, 8pm onwards at the Forum coffee bar. See website Meetings page for more info or email. Syd

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #17 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Norwich Thu 16 Oct (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:57:02 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Norwich Thu 16 Oct [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.14: Norwich: The Forum bar 16 October 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. This meeting is a week later than the regular date of 'second thursday' because of a clash with Linux Expo. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. Use [4]the meeting transport page if you want to share your journey. People at the meeting If you will be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). As always, we strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [5]use the mailing list. [6]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [7]Join ALUG 2. [8]FAQ 3. [9]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [10]Peterborough 2. [11]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [12]PHP4Hosting 2. [13]Black Cat Networks 3. [14]Martyn Drake 4. [15]Turo Technology LLP 5. [16]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [17]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 5. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 10. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 12. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 13. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 14. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 15. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 16. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 17. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Development Web Server Recommendation?
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 11 Oct '03

11 Oct '03

I'm about to set up a web server on my home system so I can do some server side web development without having to be connected to the internet (I'm a poor dial-up only user ;o) ). Its a Debian Woody system. Haven't decided on what server side tools to use yet, initially it will be very basic. Apache looks good but is it overkill in this situation? Recommendations on suitable web server software please? Keith

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[Alug]Teletext
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 11 Oct '03

11 Oct '03

Anyone know anything about teletext systems? Have a friend who runs a small hotel/boarding house in the west country. He has a TV in each room the can display teletext pages and they run off a common aerial feed (analogue not digital). We were kicking around the idea of him setting up his own set of teletext pages and feeding in to this set up. I've done a quick Google but it's either people trying to sell teletext services or hardware. Can't seem to find much basic info. Anyone know of some good reference sites? Anyone know what sort of software/hardware would be required (Linux based if possible)? Keith

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[Alug]Mandrake installation
by Kendall, Rob 10 Oct '03

10 Oct '03

Hi all, firstly, thanks to Keith Watson for supplying me with the mandrake cds. secondly....aaaargh!!! first install went pretty smoothly....put gnome on as GUI...went into it, all seemed ok. display resolution was set to 800x600, tried to find where to change it, but couldn't. then the gui crashed....rebooted machine, mandrake loaded back up, then halted saying that xfree86 not installed on system. wiped HDD, reinstalled mandrake....everything went ok up to 1 min from end of install, got error 'error on load of module xfree86, do you want to continue' have tried with both a yes, and no, xfree will not load, no matter what i do!!! everything else seem to load, just not xfree.....mandrake runs the command line seemingly ok. can i put xfree on separately, and if so how? much appreciated rob kendall ******************************************************************************************** " This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Cap Gemini Ernst & Young Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message ". ********************************************************************************************

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Re: [Alug]Postfix To Hotmail Problems
by Matt Parker 10 Oct '03

10 Oct '03

On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 09:48, Charles Blundell wrote: > on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:35:02PM +0100, Matt Parker wrote: > > I got all the way through, but only on mx4.hotmail.com. No joy on mx1. > > Is there anyway I can force postfix to use mx4 or is it just pot-luck > > which server I get? > > make sure you have: > > transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport > > in /etc/postfix/main.cf > then add to /etc/postfix/transport: > > hotmail.com smtp:[mx4.hotmail.com] > > then run: > # postmap /etc/postfix/transport > # postfix check > # postfix reload > > (though you would be better off if you could rely on the mx records > for hotmail.com...) > > fwiw, mx1.hotmail.com times out on connect: postfix should be trying > other mx's. but i see that hotmail lists them all at the same > preference. odd. > That worked to connect to mx4 but unfortunately I'm still getting the same message from hotmail:- Sep 27 11:35:17 ben postfix/smtp[16249]: 065813B4E0: to=<cowboy_bob500(a)hotmail.com>, relay=mx4.hotmail.com[65.54.254.151], delay=41, status=deferred (lost connection with mx4.hotmail.com[65.54.254.151] while sending MAIL FROM) Don't know why it works manually via telnet but postfix gets cut off. Grrr. Damn Microsoft... Thanks for the help, Matt

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[Alug]CD Players
by Nick Daniels 10 Oct '03

10 Oct '03

Hi Has anybody had any trouble with the Cdplayers on Suse 8.2, Two computers, boards Jetway 830ch, Gigabyte GA7A, both Xp1800 Xmms O. K on MP3s, Line in , Mic in, O.K. Start music plays and Kmix adjusted. C.D. is shown as playing but no sound output Regards Nick

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[Alug]O'Reilly Book Reviews
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 07 Oct '03

07 Oct '03

Are there any guidelines for the format of book reviews? and, if not, would some be helpful? A quick Google throws up loads of sites, even an O'Reilly one <http://ug.oreilly.com/bookreviews.html>. Once we've written a review what's the next step? Keith

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Re: [Alug]automount with NFS
by Steve Fosdick 07 Oct '03

07 Oct '03

On 2003.10.06 23:13, Steve Fosdick wrote: On 2003.10.06 22:30, MJ Ray wrote: > One tip: be very careful with NFS mount options. If a server hangs > on you, then you can't just kill the thing and restart like you can > with the userland amd. You could lose the whole autofs system for > the duration unless you have timeouts and interruptable options. Any > process trying to touch it will block hard, leading to amusingly high > load averages (I think around 120 was my highest before fixing > it...). Futhermore if you enable use the intr option so any blocked processes can be killed, then killing one of them can cause a kernel oops on the client. Specifically, imagine you have a process that has a file open but has removed the directory entry for that file. The normal way unix handles this is that the file will continue to exist anonymously until the last process closed it whereupon the file is deleted and the space recovered. On NFS, when the last directory entry to an open file is deleted the file actually gets renamed to a hidden filename. So, you have this process running and it's holding the file open but the NFS server has gone away and you want to unmount the filesystem so you kill the process at which point the kernel panics because it can't delete the hidden file on the NFS server.

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[Alug]automount with NFS
by Craig 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Anyone successfully managed to get this working? I cannot really make sense of some online documents (quite surprised at that). Quick guide anyone? C -- - Craig - http://www.wizball.co.uk "Simplicity, the best way to approach life"

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Re: [Alug]ALUG meeting in Norwich on Sunday
by Tristan Scott 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Syd Hancock wrote: > Hi tristan > > >>ill check out how i book a room sometime, an let you know. > > > That would be great. If you need advice, several people on the list > were at UEA and know the ropes. I checked. I cannot book a room in january until november or possible even december. they havent even got a calendar for Jan yet! > > HTH > Syd > > -- Tristan Scott Engineer 0800 computer Services Wenceslas House (Opp. Boundary pub) 355 Aylsham Road Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 0800 0185237 Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410

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[Alug]Reminder: Norwich Meeting NOT this week
by Syd Hancock 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Reminder that the October Norwich evening meet has been postponed for a week. Now takes place on thursday 15th October, 8pm The Forum coffee bar. Syd

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[Alug]Laptop thermal zones and pcmcia - forked from meetings thread
by Tristan Scott 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

this was in the meetings thread... > > >>maybe you can help me with my laptop. >>damn thermal zone isnt recognised in 2.6.0, so i can only turn >>the fan on flat out, or off (and overheat) btw, in 2.4.* you cant even turn the fan on - overheats in a few minutes. >> >>theres a dsdt patch for 2.4.18 which fixes it, but i cant work >>out how to apply it to the 2.6.0 kernel. >> >>it doesnt seem to use the same data structure? >>?:( <edit> Syd Hancock: > > Sorry, I have no idea at all, other than the obvious comment that > 2.4 and 2,6 kernels are very different. A message to the list may > get you some useful feedback as several people are testing versions > of 2.6 > > I have seen on the Thinkpad list that there are some builds > specifically for laptops (may be Thinkpad only?) which may help as > this may be an ACPI problem. Google for Andrew Morton's patches > e.g. 2.6.0-test6-mm1 (the mm suffix indicates that it is an Andrew > Morton patch). running 2.6.0-test6-mm. dosent help. got a new problem: my bootiful new cisco 352 802.11b pcmcia card will send....but not receive. same card works a different laptop. i can talk to the card, get model number, mac address etc etc but although it requests a dhcp lease, it ignores the response... if i manually assign, it will ping itself but merely drops the packets sent anywhere else. the hub reports it present (i turned off its mac address and it then logged warnings about it) - and YES i did turn it back on. -- Tristan Scott Engineer 0800 computer Services Wenceslas House (Opp. Boundary pub) 355 Aylsham Road Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 0800 0185237 Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410

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[Alug]Call For Help: bestmeat and refs web pages
by MJ Ray 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Hi all, Alexis Lee has bowed out of editing the web site, so can you take over one of the two following pages that Alexis used to edit? http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/bestmeat.html - Suggesting "best of breed" applications, maybe should be updated to mention recent releases? http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/refs.html - Book list, still edited by Jenny, but I'm sure help/suggestions would be appreciated. If you can edit one of these, please send a short email to the list, then download the page, edit it and email the edited copy back to me. Thanks to Alexis for work in the past, including general site editing as well as these pages. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

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[Alug]Microsoft foot-in-mouth again?
by Graham Trott 05 Oct '03

05 Oct '03

Just to get that warm feeling of superiority... "Microsoft has banned the cover-mounting of its software on magazines, and is advising users to go to its own web sites for updates instead. And apparently, it's all Sun's fault." http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33021.html -- GT

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[Alug]RE: +AFs-Alug+AF0-Bourne Grammar Open Day
by Jenny Hopkins 03 Oct '03

03 Oct '03

Ben Francis wrote: > no, I forgot. It didn't seem like anyone was interested either :P > > The open evening runs from 7:00pm - 9:00pm, Bourne Grammar > School, South > Road, Bourne, Lincolnshire. All welcome. > Ben, I would have been thoroughly interested in going if I had the time - little enough spare time being a full time working mum as it is - don't think we're not interested, though, I think it's a fantastic project and would have loved to come and see how it is going. Was there much interest from visitors? Jen

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Re: [Alug]Bourne Grammar Open Day
by Ben Francis 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

MJ Ray wrote: > On 2003-09-16 21:00:55 +0100 Ben Francis <ben(a)franci5.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > >> Confirmation of date and a more specific time to follow. > > > Did we get that? > no, I forgot. It didn't seem like anyone was interested either :P The open evening runs from 7:00pm - 9:00pm, Bourne Grammar School, South Road, Bourne, Lincolnshire. All welcome.

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[Alug]I am back
by Wayne Stallwood 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

After an impromptu house move, a computer damaged in transit and a change of ISP's My old mail address is now defunct, If any of you have that in your records please update accordingly., The Crimson Techology address is not affected. Kind Regards Wayne PS. Have I missed anything ?

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[Alug]Useful Info. Site
by Keith Watson 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

Has anyone here ever looked at a US based Linux support site called Linux Orbit <http://www.linuxorbit.com/> ? It has a useful list of 'HOWTOs', 'Mini-HOWTOs' and 'Quick Tips' (especially those related to Debian ;o) ) One in particular I mentioned at the meeting on Sunday is "GRUB in Debian HOWTO" <http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&r… iewarticle&artid=539&page=1> But be warned it's the sort of placed you go to to look at something specific and then spend hours checking out all sorts of goodies. Regards, Keith ____________ AIR, n. A nutritious substance supplied by a bountiful Providence for the fattening of the poor. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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[Alug]Meeting report - Norwich Sept 28th 2003
by Syd Hancock 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

The meeting in Norwich on sunday at the Billy Bluelight had a good turnout - 13 people in all - too many to list unless people insist! See photos on the page referenced below. I feel credit for the turnout is very much due to Mark for being willing to face the massed ALUG ranks and present a talk - thank you, Mark. Having a specific focus gives a different flavour to the meeting and is something I hope we can develop further next year. Mark's talk on the boot process was well-prepared and well-presented. It was accessible and informative for novices like myself while offering plenty of scope for debate, contributions and heckling from the floor :-) Lecture notes and summary are on the website here: http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2003/boothalt.html (as posted earlier by MJR - included here for furure reference) Later there was also some discussion of the library and general meeting planning. Sadly Kirsten was not able to bring any cakes this time but otherwise everything went very well. Syd

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[Alug]new addition to Alug library Linuxuser & developer magzine
by abower＠thebowery.co.uk 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Hi all, I just got home to discover 3 copies of Linuxuser and developer magazine (technical edition with coverdisc) sitting on my doorstep to be handed around the group (many thanks to LinuxUser http://www.linuxuser.co.uk ). It has a complete set of Redhat 9 on the coverdisc, articles include "how linux is revolutionising movie production" (shame they didn't feature the London production companies though) "can AMDs Opteron cope with Linux" "Getting a small business working online" etc. etc. Anyhow if you want one of these you can either come and pick it up from me in Cambridge (or arrange some kind of sneaker net to get them to you) or I will be at the next Norwich evening meeting (that is if the meeting is rescheduled for the 16th of October as I will be in London on the 9th for LinuxExpo. It would be good if we could get people who take copies to pass them on to other people who want them also in their local area so any alternative ideas on distributions would be welcome. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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