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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #19 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. EU patent officials meeting this week. Letters needed *now*. (fwd) (MJ Ray) 2. RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. (fwd) (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:07:04 +0100 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce]EU patent officials meeting this week. Letters needed *now*. (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-10-21 18:54:35 +0100 From: James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> Subject: [Fsfe-uk] Fwd: [SWPAT] EU patent officials meeting this week. Letters needed *now*. Below is (very slightly revised) an email alert sent out to FFII supporters. Faxes sent to MPs today/tonight could be particularly important (especially if the local MP is a Lib Dem). Use www.faxyourmp.com Please forward this alert at will to any mailing lists where it has not already been posted. --------------------------------------------------------------------- [SWPAT] EU patent officials meeting this week. Letters needed *now*. A web version can be found at http://www.ffii.org.uk/council.html Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure UK Dear Supporter[1], In September the European Parliament voted[2] for strong restrictions[3] on software patentability, after having heard powerful arguments from economists[4], scientists[5], small business associations[6] and MEPs[7] that software patents would be bad for e-commerce[8], bad for small businesses[9], and bad for innovation[10]. But this vote is in danger of being set aside[11] at a meeting of the EU's Competitiveness Council of Ministers[12] on 10 November. The ministers' meeting is to be "negotiated" at a meeting of senior patent officials[13] from across Europe even sooner: this Thursday 23 October. If UK ministers cannot be convinced otherwise before 10 November, it is believed they will push for the Council to adopt a November 2002 draft text[14], which is even worse than the infamous McCarthy report[15]. The European Parliament's rules for second reading make it very difficult for MEPs to fix a bad text from the Council. So far UK ministers have been sleepwalking, automatically following a Patent Office script. The FFII is therefore calling for all supporters to contact their local MPs, as soon as possible. We have until 10 November at the latest to wake up UK ministers up the dangers of software patents. If at all possible we need to try to make an impact before this Thursday. It could be our last good chance to stop software patents in Europe. Every letter could be the one which tips the balance. Every letter counts. Best regards, Software Patents Workgroup, FFII-UK Supporters elsewhere in Europe may like to look at this page at FFII[16] for information on who to contact, and what else can be done. Know your stuff: * How important is the Council of Ministers? * What is the UK position? * Are software patents good for software developers? * What does the minister need to know? * Who to contact * How to be effective * How to stay in touch How important is the Council of Ministers? VERY. The European Parliament's rules for second reading make it far more difficult for MEPs to fix a bad text from the Council, because any amendments need an absolute majority[17] of all of the 623 elected MEPs -- ie usually far more than 50% of those actually voting in the chamber. What is the UK position? UK policy has so far been led by the UK Patent Office[18]. The UKPO has been particularly active in lobbying[19] for unlimited patentability and is unlikely to support a platform which is acceptable to anyone except the patent industry. Unless they can be convinced otherwise, UK Government ministers are being led by UKPO officials to support the November 2002 draft[20] drawn up by patent offices across Europe. The Nov 2002 version actively supports software patenting, unlike the September 2003 European Parliament text[21]. Replies from ministers[22] are claiming that the UK Patent Office's consultation[23] 3 years ago produced results which were "broadly in favour" of the UKPO position. In fact, the views[24] of software professionals (as opposed to patent professionals) were overwhelmingly against software patents. Are software patents good for software developers? NO. "Software patents are like landmines for programmers. At each design decision, there is a chance you will step on a patent and it will destroy your project. Considering the large number of ideas that must be combined in a modern program, the danger becomes very large." -- Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project. Supporters of e-patents often make the simple equation patents ==innovation == growth. One of the most interesting articles to rebut this is "e-Patents and financial investing"[25] by Laura Creighton, a software venture capitalist. It explains why software patents are not necessary, nor usually even helpful, and give surprisingly little real protection. Software patents are bad for e-commerce[26], bad for small businesses[27] and bad for innovation[28]. That is why leading economists[29], scientists[30], small business associations[31], and MEPs[32] all urged the European Parliament to vote against software patents. What does the minister needs to know? * Our central request is for the the Council of Ministers not to adopt its draft November 2002 text[33] unamended, but instead to substantially revise it, adopting and building on the Parliament amendments. * Most importantly, we need to convince the Government that software patents are a bad idea. Ministers should not just follow the advice of the UK Patent Office (UKPO) uncritically. Currently UKPO are both judge and jury, and about as likely to campaign for real limits on software patents as turkeys are to vote for Christmas. Ministers must be challenged to consider for themselves what is really in the best interests of the UK software industry and all UK computer users. * Free software is directly threatened[34] by software patents. But it is essential that the campaign against software patents is not just "special pleading" by supporters of Open Source--"free-love, open-standard, freeware fanatics" according to one patent lawyer. The entire industry would be damaged by patenting and litigation. If you write about free software, please make clear how important it is to the whole software industry and commercial end-users. * The directive claims to allow the patenting of new "technical" devices, but not the patenting of "generic pure software". But the EPO regards almost any software innovation as technical[35]. Without an explicit definition, European Courts will be forced to follow the EPO doctrine. The European Parliament's most important amendment is its new very clear definition of what is and what is not "technical". * The November 2002 draft also makes abstract data processing a field of technology[36]; has no article 6a to allow interoperability[37] -- and it would allow program claims[38], so that just discussing code on a website can be a direct patent infringement. Ministers must re-open the November 2002 text. Every letter counts. Who to contact * WRITE to your local MP as soon as possible with your concerns about software patents, and ask your MP to bring them to the attention of Stephen Timms MP[39], the minister for e-commerce at the DTI. * BY ASKING your local MP to forward your concerns, you should get a reply personally signed by the minister. You could of course just write to the minister directly; but if you do, you will just receive a standard civil service reply, and the minister will never see it. * FIND your local MPs by typing your postcode in www.faxyourmp.com Then WRITE to your MP at: Name of MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA * COPY your letters to uk-parl-sent @ ffii.org.uk, and replies to uk-parl-replies @ ffii.org.uk You should only write to your own local MP. You may also wish to send a blind copy of your letter to [40]Richard Mulcahy at the Patent Office. How to be effective * DO: make your letter personal. Explain who you are, how this issue affects you, and why it matters to you. * DON'T: write the same as everybody else. MPs ignore form letters. Decide which is the most logical or important starting point for you, and then bring in other points around that. * IF you are: + a small business: tell your MP why and how a rush to software patents would afftect your business. Be sure to mention your turnover and number of employees -- real money and real jobs are at stake. + a user of software: tell your MP what makes you afraid of monopolisation and loss of choice. + a member of a political party, a trade union, a university, a consumer organisation, a business association, or any other sort of organised body: think how you can mobilise your organisation to make its voice heard. + a consultant: explain to your clients - and the MP - why software patents will make it harder for you to solve their problems. * DO: be polite, reasonable and well-informed (insane abuse doesn't help). Be focussed and to the point. If your letter is very long, write a short one-page executive summary bulletting the main points, and use it as a covering letter to introduce the full brain dump. * DO: spread the word. There is very little time, and we need to make a huge impact. So unless you want to see legislation for unlimited patentability, pass the message on to other people. Encourage them to write. How to stay in touch * Join the FFII list of supporters[41] * Sign the Eurolinux petition[42] against software patents. * If you want to do more, or to keep in touch with the campaign daily, join the ffii-uk email list at ffii.org.uk - further instructions on the FFII-UK main page[43]. _________________________________________________________________ References 1. You have been sent this email because you have expressed concern about software patents in Europe, either by signing the Eurolinux Petition http://noepatents.org and/or the FFII Call for Action http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/demands/ We intend to use these lists very occasionally, to send updates and information alerts on the progress of the software patent directive through the European system. Such messages will have [SWPAT] as the first word in their subject lines. If you would prefer not to receive any more such messages, please send a reply to this email with the subject line "Remove". Thank you for your support. 2. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39116642,00.htm 3. http://swpat.ffii.org/journal/03/fsfr1010/index.en.html 4. http://www.researchineurope.org/policy/patentdirltr.htm 5. http://www.greens-efa.org/pdf/documents/SoftwarePatenting/petitiontoEP_EN.p… 6. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/ceapme0309/index.en.html 7. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/plen0309/deba/#framm 8. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#ecommerce 9. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#developers 10. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#innovation 11. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39116709,00.htm 12. http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/CouncilOfMinisters 13. http://register.consilium.eu.int/scripts/utfregisterDir/WebDriver.exe?MIval… 14. http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html 15. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/amccarthy0302/index.en.html 16. http://swpat.ffii.org/group/todo/index.en.html 17. http://www2.europarl.eu.int/omk/sipade2?PUBREF=-//EP//TEXT+RULES-EP+2003020… 18. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/ippd/issues/softpat.htm 19. http://swpat.ffii.org//players/uk/index.en.html 20. http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html 21. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/europarl0309/ 22. http://www.ffii.org.uk/hewitt.html 23. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/consultations/conclusions.htm 24. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/consultations/responses/comsoft/index.htm 25. http://www.vrijschrift.org/swpat/030508_1/ 26. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#ecommerce 27. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#developers 28. http://elis.ugent.be/~jmaebe/swpat/why.html#innovation 29. http://www.researchineurope.org/policy/patentdirltr.htm 30. http://www.greens-efa.org/pdf/documents/SoftwarePatenting/petitiontoEP_EN.p… 31. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/ceapme0309/index.en.html 32. http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/plen0309/deba/#framm 33. http://www.ffii.org.uk/nov2002.html 34. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/stallman-patents.html 35. http://www.ffii.org.uk/technical.html 36. http://www.ffii.org.uk/fields_of_tech.html 37. http://www.ffii.org.uk/interop.html 38. http://www.ffii.org.uk/program_claims.html 39. http://www.dti.gov.uk/ministers/ministers/timms.html 40. http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/ippd/issues/softpat.htm 41. http://aktiv.ffii.org/?l=en 42. http://petition.eurolinux.org/index_html?LANG=en 43. http://www.ffii.org.uk/index.html _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:39:19 +0100 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce]RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-10-22 12:00:15 +0100 From: Nick Hill <nick(a)nickhill.co.uk> Subject: RMS Injured - Speeches in the balance. I have just had news that RMS is suffering a broken arm in a Finnish hospital. His trip to the UK is in the balance. In order to keep people up to date about the current status of RMS' trip to the UK and whether the speeches will go ahead/ in what form, I have put up a web page: http://www.nickhill.co.uk/rms-speech-status.html Please forward this to everyone involved or who might be attending a speech. I wish Richard Stallman a speedy recovery and hope to see him this weekend. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Time to give something back
by Karl Foley 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

I've been a long time reader of the ALUG list and a very, very occasional poster. Too much work in the day don't you know! Been into networking for the last 10 years and electronics before that. Mainly train support staff but also do the odd bit of consultancy. Someone, I believe it was Keith (we met up at Norfolk police HQ that day remember?) was kind enough to give me a small SCSI disk to replace one I had in a small external Sun disk case because the original has failed. Due to a clear out I now find I've got nowhere to store my Sun kit so would like to donate it to a loving home. I have had a flavour of Linux (Debian?) running on it but most of the time it's been running good old Solaris. Details of what I have are: Sparc 5 Base Station Scsi Cdrom Floppy 128MB RAM 2 Internal SCA Scsi drives Sparc 5 Base Station Scsi Cdrom Floppy (I think) 64MB RAM (I think) 1 Internal SCA Scsi drive External Disk Unit 2GB SCSI Drive (Thanks Keith!) Cable to connect it to Sparc 5 External Backup DDS2 DAT NO cable (Worked in a Netware box though!) 2 * Large Sun Monitors 19/21" Dunno - Big and heavy! 2 * Type 5c Sun Keyboards and 3 Button Mice This was all working when last powered up (a few months ago now). I have no media to hand but it's easy enough to get - I could possibly dig around at the weekend for some Solaris media. I'm based in Felixstowe but will drive a little way to drop the stuff off. Please drop me an eMail if you're interested: Karl(a)thefoleyhouse.co.uk P.S. Did I say it was all free! ;-) --- ATB, Karl.

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[Alug]IBM TV ad for Linux
by Ben Francis 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

what do people think of IBM's Linux advert? http://www-5.ibm.com/e-business/uk/linux/ -- Ben "tola" Francis

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #18 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 22 Oct '03

22 Oct '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. RMS talks; London + Sheffield; [this weekend!] (fwd) (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:11:19 +0100 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, peterboro(a)mailman.lug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce]RMS talks; London + Sheffield; [this weekend!] (fwd) Original text by Paul Sladen <lugmaster(a)paul.sladen.org>, but edited. 2003 October 25th (Saturday) 12:00 noon. Richard Stallman will give a lecture about Software Patents in the Stoddart Building at Sheffield Hallam University. http://www.sheflug.co.uk/meeting.html 2003 October 26th (Sunday) 14:30 pm. Richard Stallman will be speaking about the dangers of Software Patents at the University of Westminster, London. Meeting held by AFFS and FFII-UK. http://www.affs.org.uk/diary -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Reminder: Norwich evening meet tonight
by Syd Hancock 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Meeting tonight at the Forum coffee bar, 8.00 pm onwards, thursday 16th October. Apart from us there are usually very few people there so we should not be difficult to spot - there is usually a penguin or two on the table. It's possible that I may not be able to be there tonight - if not, hope lots of people make it and have fun. Syd

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[Alug]Blip - OK - I'm *JUST ABOUT* alive again.
by Brett Parker 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Hi all, Right, first a quick apology, haven't read my Alug mail box for a while, so whilst doing it, there's probably a couple of replies that are well out of date. Sorry about that, must remember to check the list more often. Otherwise, right, I'm back, sortof, so I might actually be able to do something useful at some point... hell... I might even remember to read my e-mail every now and again ;) Cheers, Brett.

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[Alug]Alug problrms with Freeserve?
by Nick Daniels 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Freeserve seem to be trashing a lot of my mail as Bulk? i.e. BBC daily email. Can anybody tell me how many Alug main email's have been sent out this week, I have received 7 since last 21/9.( i have removed all filters etc) Could somebody answer me directly in case i do not receive it!!! Regards Nick Daniels

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[Alug]Adrian Kiddle rejoining ALUG
by Adrian Kiddle 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Hello ALUG, It's been about 3 years since I last took a close look at Linux. I have been very busy for some time with the installation of a new I.T. system at work (Windows based), but have now reached a point where the pressure is starting to ease off a bit, and I have some time available for looking at other things again. In the meantime I understand there has been a lot of progress with Linux, and the way that Microsoft has been going has made me even less of a fan of theirs than I was before. I have recently installed Mandrake 9.0, and yesterday I was wondering whether I could get any remote desktop client software for Linux to access Terminal Services on our Windows 2000 server. This started off a train of thought, and prompted me to re-subscribe to the ALUG list. Best Regards Adrian Kiddle

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[Alug]Fax Server?
by nickheppleston＠gmx.co.uk 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

I'm looking for suggestions for a fax server. At my last compay, we used RightFax - a Win NT4 application - that allowed users to 'print' to a fax spooler which would then be sent via a dial-up modem. Is there anything similar out there in the open-source world? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Heppleston nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk | 07989 581766 +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More! +++ Getestet von Stiftung Warentest: GMX FreeMail (GUT), GMX ProMail (GUT) (Heft 9/03 - 23 e-mail-Tarife: 6 gut, 12 befriedigend, 5 ausreichend) Jetzt selbst kostenlos testen: http://www.gmx.net

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 20 Oct '03

20 Oct '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Shockwave for Linux: All you have to do is ask
by Keith Watson 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/15/215232 Keith ____________ The best use of your mind is to distrust it. François Fénelon

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[Alug]Linux Tutorials
by Keith Watson 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

IBM Developerworks - Education and events - Tutorials <http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/views/opensource/tutorials.jsp> Regards, Keith

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[Alug]Alug library request: does anyone have "Learning Debian/GNU Linux"?
by Kirsten Naylor 14 Oct '03

14 Oct '03

Hi all We are trying to discover what has happened to an Alug library book "Learning Debian/GNU Linux" published by O'Reilly. It used to belong to Adam but he donated it to the library, and now he has not seen it in a very long time. It will be very out of date now but we would just like to know where it has got to :) Thanks /Kirsten

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[Alug]Using Apt-Zip
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Been playing around with Apt-Zip (there's a man page online at <http://debian.ipv6.fhtw-berlin.de/ger/howto/apt-zip.html>) and finding it very useful. I had to hack the output around so that I caould use FTP in batch mode via windows 2000 but that wasn't too hard (it might be a nice option to put in the apt-zip-list script). And then I neaded to hack the output again to process the .deb files (couldn't get apt-zip-inst to work on my system), but again that was fairly straightforward. I'll do a more detailed write-up if anyone's interested in the details. I must admit that now I've been through the process a couple of times it'd probably be just a quick to drive the whole thing directly from the cmmand line with apt-get and a couple of gawk or perl scripts. But I have a question for the Debian gurus out there :o) When I run Synaptic it lists over 80 packages as candidates for upgrade but when I run apt-get in simulate mode to list the package details it only includes 5. It says the others have been 'held back'. Now IIRC this is because upgrading these would involve installing or removing othe packages. Is this correct? If so, is there any way I can override this so the package is included in the list of packages to be upgraded (plus any dependancies). This is so I can use apt-get-zip to download then elsewhere and then do the upgrade offline.

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[Alug]Reminder: Norwich evening meeting this week.
by Syd Hancock 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Postponed Norwich monthly evening social meet this thursday 16th October, 8pm onwards at the Forum coffee bar. See website Meetings page for more info or email. Syd

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #17 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Norwich Thu 16 Oct (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:57:02 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: GNU/Linux/ALUG/Norwich Thu 16 Oct [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.14: Norwich: The Forum bar 16 October 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. This meeting is a week later than the regular date of 'second thursday' because of a clash with Linux Expo. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. Use [4]the meeting transport page if you want to share your journey. People at the meeting If you will be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). As always, we strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [5]use the mailing list. [6]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [7]Join ALUG 2. [8]FAQ 3. [9]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [10]Peterborough 2. [11]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [12]PHP4Hosting 2. [13]Black Cat Networks 3. [14]Martyn Drake 4. [15]Turo Technology LLP 5. [16]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [17]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 5. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 10. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 12. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 13. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 14. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 15. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 16. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 17. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Development Web Server Recommendation?
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 11 Oct '03

11 Oct '03

I'm about to set up a web server on my home system so I can do some server side web development without having to be connected to the internet (I'm a poor dial-up only user ;o) ). Its a Debian Woody system. Haven't decided on what server side tools to use yet, initially it will be very basic. Apache looks good but is it overkill in this situation? Recommendations on suitable web server software please? Keith

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[Alug]Teletext
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 11 Oct '03

11 Oct '03

Anyone know anything about teletext systems? Have a friend who runs a small hotel/boarding house in the west country. He has a TV in each room the can display teletext pages and they run off a common aerial feed (analogue not digital). We were kicking around the idea of him setting up his own set of teletext pages and feeding in to this set up. I've done a quick Google but it's either people trying to sell teletext services or hardware. Can't seem to find much basic info. Anyone know of some good reference sites? Anyone know what sort of software/hardware would be required (Linux based if possible)? Keith

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[Alug]Mandrake installation
by Kendall, Rob 10 Oct '03

10 Oct '03

Hi all, firstly, thanks to Keith Watson for supplying me with the mandrake cds. secondly....aaaargh!!! first install went pretty smoothly....put gnome on as GUI...went into it, all seemed ok. display resolution was set to 800x600, tried to find where to change it, but couldn't. then the gui crashed....rebooted machine, mandrake loaded back up, then halted saying that xfree86 not installed on system. wiped HDD, reinstalled mandrake....everything went ok up to 1 min from end of install, got error 'error on load of module xfree86, do you want to continue' have tried with both a yes, and no, xfree will not load, no matter what i do!!! everything else seem to load, just not xfree.....mandrake runs the command line seemingly ok. can i put xfree on separately, and if so how? much appreciated rob kendall ******************************************************************************************** " This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Cap Gemini Ernst & Young Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message ". ********************************************************************************************

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Re: [Alug]Postfix To Hotmail Problems
by Matt Parker 10 Oct '03

10 Oct '03

On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 09:48, Charles Blundell wrote: > on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:35:02PM +0100, Matt Parker wrote: > > I got all the way through, but only on mx4.hotmail.com. No joy on mx1. > > Is there anyway I can force postfix to use mx4 or is it just pot-luck > > which server I get? > > make sure you have: > > transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport > > in /etc/postfix/main.cf > then add to /etc/postfix/transport: > > hotmail.com smtp:[mx4.hotmail.com] > > then run: > # postmap /etc/postfix/transport > # postfix check > # postfix reload > > (though you would be better off if you could rely on the mx records > for hotmail.com...) > > fwiw, mx1.hotmail.com times out on connect: postfix should be trying > other mx's. but i see that hotmail lists them all at the same > preference. odd. > That worked to connect to mx4 but unfortunately I'm still getting the same message from hotmail:- Sep 27 11:35:17 ben postfix/smtp[16249]: 065813B4E0: to=<cowboy_bob500(a)hotmail.com>, relay=mx4.hotmail.com[65.54.254.151], delay=41, status=deferred (lost connection with mx4.hotmail.com[65.54.254.151] while sending MAIL FROM) Don't know why it works manually via telnet but postfix gets cut off. Grrr. Damn Microsoft... Thanks for the help, Matt

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[Alug]CD Players
by Nick Daniels 10 Oct '03

10 Oct '03

Hi Has anybody had any trouble with the Cdplayers on Suse 8.2, Two computers, boards Jetway 830ch, Gigabyte GA7A, both Xp1800 Xmms O. K on MP3s, Line in , Mic in, O.K. Start music plays and Kmix adjusted. C.D. is shown as playing but no sound output Regards Nick

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[Alug]O'Reilly Book Reviews
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 07 Oct '03

07 Oct '03

Are there any guidelines for the format of book reviews? and, if not, would some be helpful? A quick Google throws up loads of sites, even an O'Reilly one <http://ug.oreilly.com/bookreviews.html>. Once we've written a review what's the next step? Keith

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Re: [Alug]automount with NFS
by Steve Fosdick 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

On 2003.10.06 23:13, Steve Fosdick wrote: On 2003.10.06 22:30, MJ Ray wrote: > One tip: be very careful with NFS mount options. If a server hangs > on you, then you can't just kill the thing and restart like you can > with the userland amd. You could lose the whole autofs system for > the duration unless you have timeouts and interruptable options. Any > process trying to touch it will block hard, leading to amusingly high > load averages (I think around 120 was my highest before fixing > it...). Futhermore if you enable use the intr option so any blocked processes can be killed, then killing one of them can cause a kernel oops on the client. Specifically, imagine you have a process that has a file open but has removed the directory entry for that file. The normal way unix handles this is that the file will continue to exist anonymously until the last process closed it whereupon the file is deleted and the space recovered. On NFS, when the last directory entry to an open file is deleted the file actually gets renamed to a hidden filename. So, you have this process running and it's holding the file open but the NFS server has gone away and you want to unmount the filesystem so you kill the process at which point the kernel panics because it can't delete the hidden file on the NFS server.

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[Alug]automount with NFS
by Craig 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Anyone successfully managed to get this working? I cannot really make sense of some online documents (quite surprised at that). Quick guide anyone? C -- - Craig - http://www.wizball.co.uk "Simplicity, the best way to approach life"

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